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Mitt Romney says Biden should have pardoned Trump
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Agreed.
Had Nixon faced justice we may never have heard the words "president trump". At the very least, there would be less whining because it would be assumed and accepted that trump is going to be held accountable for his actions.
We did this to ourselves. Well, as a nation. I wasn't born for another eight years so I had no say over what ford decided but we should not have accepted it as a nation.
We're failing to deal with this one too. I would think that most people would know by adulthood just what happens when one refuses to deal with their problems. They only grow and metamorphosize into something far bigger and worse. trump makes Nixon look like a boy scout and Nixon was pretty much the devil.
And who does Trump have around him? Nixon grads.
Roger Stone has a Nixon tattoo that covers his entire back.
Don't forget Bill Barr. Fucker warned America about the Evils of VonShitsInPants. Guess who he said he is voting for? Yep, VonShitsInPants.
Same Bill Barr that gave us Iran Contra
The one and only.
The one responsible for running the Trump-Barr DOJ when Epstein was suicided?
Don't remember it being a full back tattoo, thought it was much smaller than that...
I stand corrected. I guess I was thinking of Steve-O’s tattoo (of himself)
No worries, at a glance looks similar but bigger.
It's just a tramp stamp.
"Enter Here"
Nixon's personal cock-sock Roger Stone.
It could be argued: Nixon's criminal trial would have erased any political opportunity for Reagan and so on...
This is why I think Trump will be a turning point in American history one way or another. Either he ends up getting held accountable for at least some of his crimes in a meaningful way (some jail time), and we see that even the highest American politicians are not above the law.
Or he gets re-elected and doesn't, and we formalize that American presidents are above the law.
If convicted;he will be sentenced to house arrest at Mar-A-Lago and only be allowed to golf once a week
I wasn't born for another eight years so I had no say over what ford decided...
Nobody technically had any say over what Ford decided, so it seems to me that his main concern was to do right by the guy who put him there.
Unfortunately, that was Nixon.
I’ve read a that Nixon taking the fall in the first place caused huge damage to the Republican Party, and that’s why they never admit fault now. Better to lie than to fall on your sword.
If that’s true, then there would be space for a counter argument that if Nixon had been tried then the Republicans would be even worse now.
Don't even want to imagine how
I’m 84 and still pissed at Ford for giving a pardon to Nixon. Here we are today cause we forgot no man is above the law.
What about Ronald Reagan and his Iran Contra scandal. Everybody just wanted it to go away. To sweep the corruption under the rug. North should have spent the rest of his days behind bars.
Reagan would never have been able to stand trial. He was showing signs of alzheheimers before he left office. North talked his way out of serious prison time. I've seen pictures of Ollie North on people's walls. No one knew who he was until that congressional hearing.
And how is that not a Trump strategy? He can barely string a sentence together.
More crooks.
I hope when I am 84 I can even figure out reddit. What's your secret to making it to 84?
I hope the answer is drugs cos then I'm good
LBJ should have arrested Nixon and Kissinger and charged them with treason long before Tricky Dick ever got close to the oval office.
Mitt Romney is a rich asshole with no idea how regular people live. I’d love to see him survive on a $70k salary for a year.
I think you're right. We should have ripped the bandaid off back then so maybe today's politicians might have a little bit more fear of consequences.
Reagan was bigger. Fuck that guy
I’d support a pardon of Trump if it came with an agreement that he wouldn’t run for office again, but it’d be dumb to pardon him and then have him immediately run for office.
Never trust a liar
I completely agree. If Nixon had been held accountable, it would have strengthened democracy. But as you said, Ford’s good intentions aside the pardon weakened democracy and you could see it over the decades.
It’s funny how many of our problems started with or around the same time as Nixon.
Indeed. And I say this as someone who actually respects Nixon and his policies. There’s nothing in democracy more dangerous than forgiving corruption.
Glad to hear someone older than me say that; I'm not old enough to remember the Nixon pardon (I'm 53, so I was alive but not aware), but it feels like it was a huge mistake.
Agreed.
One of the many issues we have is we haven't done enough to enforce ethics standards. There hasn't been any real penalty for malfeasance, no checks and everything has become out of balance.
Agreed. What is with Americans and giving the power of pardon to presidents? It's medieval nonsense. No other Western democracy does this. Because it's insane.
That was probably a huge catalyst for the reality we are currently living in.
It was the direct catalyst for all this horseshit we're seeing them get away with today. And it led to an entire generation of progressives becoming disillusioned with the political process and dropping out of the voting pool. Which led to 12 years of those rat fucks Reagan & Bush raping and pillaging our country dry for over a decade. Iran Contra had the same effect on progressives of my generation as the Nixon pardon did 15 years earlier. Disillusionment leading to apathy. And W getting away with the Weapons of Mass Destruction lie with zero consequences had the same effect. And the DNC fucking over Bernie Sanders had the same effect on progressives of that generation. It's all intentional & calculated to keep decent, intelligent people away from the polls. This Israel/Palestine divide here at home is this generation's dose. Designed to sow dissent among progressives and have them lose faith in the voting process. So these greasy crooks can slide thru again to rape and pillage.
It's a little on the nose that their guy is LITERALLY a known rapist and a serial pillager. But they're going full mask off these days, so I guess it tracks...
Apparently, Mitt skipped freshman logic at Brigham Young...
Matt Gaetz: "Did you say bring'um young?" "Yes please!"
Have you been drinking caffeine and soaking??
That IS freshman logic at Brigham Young...
BYU teaches indoctrination, not logic
BYU teaches patriarchy
"Martin Harris dumb, dumb, dumb!!" 🎶
Southpark #allaboutmormons 🤣🤦♂️
Lucy Harris smart smart smart!
Martin Harris duuuuuumb
Deep down, Mitt still wants to be Trump's VP.
Too busy figuring out ways to empty pension funds.
Go play with ur magic underwear and stay quiet before people start to remember who you really are Mitt, the least shitty of the shittiest people on earth.
*the slightly less shitty
He was one of 7 Republicans to vote to convict Trump we ain't working with much
So Mitt Romney says Trump did something illegal then.
I don't think he realizes the full import of what he's saying.
Wasn't he the guy running Republicans for Biden?
He knows what he's doing.
Luckily for him his followers won't see it either
Romney was the first Senator of the President's own party to vote for impeachment and he did it twice.
Only for those paying attention.
Of course. Romney voted to convict Donald Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors both times that Trump was impeached. Romney has been outspoken about how little he thinks of Trump - he's said he won't vote for Trump and that he may vote for Biden. If you read the article or watch the interview, he's not defending Trump, he's arguing that from a strategic perspective it would have helped Biden politically and hurt Trump politically to pardon Trump:
You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy.
He might be right about the political calculus - I'm not so sure, I think pardoning Trump would have eaten away at Biden's support from the left even more - but more importantly I care less about the politics and more about justice being served and discouraging the sort of behavior Trump has engaged in.
Yes. Romney is able to connect with reality. Republicans were not always unhinged lunatics.
Biden would probably consider it if Trump admitted any fault and didn't run for reelection. If you want the Nixon treatment you have to accept some responsibility and go away.
I hope he wouldn't. Trump may have committed espionage against the United States. That is not a crime that can be pardoned. If President Biden pardoned him, I would end my support of President Biden and call him a traitor, just like Trump. Trump's treason cost lives.
i wonder if we will ever actually find out exactly what he did with those documents...i imagine these reports will be sealed under lock & key for 75-100 years before even the heavily redacted reports are released
Well let's see... money is his God, so I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he sold them or otherwise received value there. Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, we'll probably never know the exact details. Delivering them to a foreign adversary though, yeah for sure. The damage he's done to the U.S. is incalculable.
I'm torn as I absolutely do not want Trump to be pardoned but the second Trump is incarcerated we'll be on a non-stop right wing terrorism watch. I just wish Trump cared about America at all and would try to subdue violence. I know that will never happen though. You're right though I would be mad at Biden if he pardoned him and didn't let him face justice.
Texas just gave a full pardon to a terrorist that drove through a BLM protest and then started shooting.
We're already on non-stop right wing terrorism watch.
It's going to get much much worse.
So the alternative is...let them keep fucking us over?
No it's just going to get ugly, I'm not saying it shouldn't happen but I'm depressed knowing that innocent people will be in danger because of this asshole megalomaniac.
It's not just because of him though. I would argue this metastasized cancer that is "southern heritage"/racism as a culture has been the curse that keeps on giving. Our problems were never solved after the Civil War, they were just pushed aside and left for the next generation to deal with. That shit has been creeping in the background like a horror movie villain just feeding on hatred/anger like it's a fucking buffet because America will never run out of it.
Running for reelection benefits Biden. The deal should have been STFU.
Have you seen the polls? Its frightening how many Americans are dumb as fuck and would vote for this orange shitstain. Plus you have all the smooth brained protestors who are going to "protest vote" over some stupid shithole that's always a dumpster fire. Hope its worth giving up democracy for people who hate us.
I pray its just poll inaccuracy or bias but man these numbers are too close and if the election is really close Jan 6th will look like nothing compared to whats coming.
I’ll be damned if you aren’t nailing it here. Do I like what Israel is doing and us supporting them, hell no. We have way bigger fish to fry here at home though. And frankly, someone is always gonna be pissed. Hell, Biden said we weren’t going to send huge bombs and some people lost their minds. Then two weeks later $1B in aid was sent and another group lost their mind.
The polls missed the mark the last time around so I hope they’re off this time too. Also hoping that moderate Republicans turn out for Biden. Ya know, the ones who are still voting for Nikki Haley in these primaries.
For all we know, that might be why so many Republicans agreed to get rid of Nixon. There may have been a backroom deal that said, look, if you agree to help get rid of Nixon we promise to pardon him down the line. It might also be why Nixon finally agreed to go "quietly" and resign.
Romney is just pro-elites. He criticizes Trump and the GOP for their failings, but obviously the idea of actual legal consequences for the failings is just beyond the pale. Trump is above the law as an elite, and Biden needs to respect that.
Mit Romney is evidently a demented old man.
No, President Biden should definitely not pardon Trump for trying to kidnap and murder Congress in the process of trying to over turn the results of a legitimate democratic election.
Romney should have resigned and renounced his party upon learning that they are actually trying to destroy the country.
I get that Romney seems to feel superior for having been the only repug senator to vote to convict.
I may have given him that much but now that this has come out, no. He's no better than any other chud. Fuck him very much.
I like the spirit of your post. However, think of a full pardon written out and presented to the orange turd in 2021. If he voluntarily agrees to retire quietly with an emphasis on quite then he could have walked away.
Also consider the possibility that the Democrats wanted Trump as the opponent in 2024. It makes the Republicans lose the house, senate, and large portions of local government. They did not factor in the possibility that Biden would be so unpopular that he might lose to a circus clown. Or maybe they did consider that and do not care. The American people’s trauma will make them rally against the circus side show.
Yeah that's the dark truth I've considered as well, and I'm someone who actively donates to Biden and will vote for him. The fact is, the moment Trump is back in office burning the country down the Democratic party becomes the heroic resistance instead of bearing the burden of responsibility. It's a much easier gig in a lot of ways.
But they're miscalculating this time. Trump is a power mad dictator who hates everything this country actually is. There's no limit to what he might do.
Smells like burnt toast
Ummm, Mitt - FUCK NO!!!
The SENATE should have CONVICTED the Son of a Bitch.
Or maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess now if we had prosecuted Nixon. Maybe knowing a president is not above the law would have tempered Trump’s ambitions.
So then he admits trump committed a crime.
I don't think he's ever claimed Trump was innocent of anything he's been accused of. Romney is relatively honest for a scumbag politician.
Yeah, well he’s wrong.
So, he's tacitly admitting Trump's a criminal. Only criminals get pardoned. I'm now very sorry for thinking Mitt Romney was intelligent
Mormons are trained to have unquestioning loyalty to authority. That's why they'll be the perfect troops for a Christian nationalist war.
Mitt Romney is such a wannabe Reagan/Ford. I’m so glad he lost to Obama.
Can’t pardon state charges.
Yeah, he addressed that by saying Biden should have pressured state governments to drop their cases. Which has its own major problems, whether it’s Trump or anyone else that’s facing charges.
Oh Mitt…you know 2% of Americans think your name is short for Mittens. Thats like 6 million people let’s try to no lower to their standard.
Lmao I'm gonna call him mittens from now on.
Romney is a baked-over Mormon GOP nutcase himself. Ford should NOT have pardoned Nixon and Trump is deservedly prison-bound. That is, if there is any justice in this world at all.
Had a degree of respect for him because he didn’t like Trump but that’s gone now
Just in case you were still under the delusion that Romney is a “moderate” and “reasonable” conservative.
You don't give the guy who tried to steal an election more go's without punishment unless you want them to eventually get it Right.
Okay….
But, the classified documents case would still exist, since the crime took place post-presidency.
Also, Trump’s current New York hush money trial would still take place, as these are STATE crimes, in a state court.
Lastly, Fani Willis would have still been able to bring her Georgia case, as she is also charging state crimes (RICO).
So, the only case that Trump would have been pardoned from is the Jan. 6 case….
To get pardon, I thought you had to admit guilt? Then again, we all know Trump would never do it for him.
Your reminder that, while Romney might be better than other Republicans, he's still a jackass conservative Republican
How is this man a successful businessman?
Vulture Capitalism. Basically using family money to brute force his way into other people's successful publicly traded businesses then milking them dry while running them into the ground and then bailing before having to pay for any of the consequences.
so...parasites
Basically. The guy isn't successful on his own. He makes money taking other people's success and ruining it.
Yes. A leech on society. His ‘morality’ is negated by his lust for money.
Daddy had money, he married money, and he's prominent in a cult.
Frankly you have to try to not be "successful" when you're born on second base on your way to third.
Hell, pretty sure his mom's water didn't break until he was already at short stop.
How is this man a successful businessman?
Do you mean Romney or trump?
He's not, he bankrupts everything he touches.
This guy going senile too?
No. This is just what he always was.
I think politically it works have been a horrible move. His own base (left leaning) would have felt betrayed. And Trump is a nihilist... He would have used it as a sign of weakness and attacked him with it. Probably would have taken credit for it, too. .
I would not have voted for President this year if he did that.
If this guy had anything resembling moral courage, he'd have left the GOP already. He ain't just a prison bitch. He's the bitch's bitch.
Wouldn’t Trump have to stop committing crimes first
Pardoning people who previously attempted a coup or even those who might have encouraged them without directly taking part in them is the way many civil wars and coups get to happen. There are many examples of this where the people being pardoned or moved away far from resigning from their intentions they double down until they achieve what the first tried.
He only cares about making sure minorities or poor white people are discouraged from committing crimes, not his people.
Romney is dumber than I thought. Ford should never of pardoned Nixon. Accountability is out the window in the USA.
I’m still mad about that!
Mitt, trump wants you dead, party over everything. These people are all in a cult.
Oh good. I hate Mitt Romney again.
Donny's gotten enough benefit of the doubt to last all our lifetime's ...F'em. Times up, lock his traitorous, fat ass up.
Love how the gop does sketchy things and then wants those who bear the brunt of their actions to forgive and forget . Hypocrites
you can take the man out of the republican, but you can't take the republican out of the man
According to trump he’s done nothing wrong so therefore he shouldn’t need a pardon.
You don't pardon unrepentant criminals. Romney needs to stfu.
Mitt gives me whiplash. Its like he cant decide what side of history he wants to be on
The rich and famous never want one of their own held accountable for their actions. If they were, who might be next?
I'm sure you'd want that.
Ford lost his reelection because he pardoned Nixon. And he was in the same party. And it's one thing to say "I allow corruption within my own party" but to say "I allow corruption within the other party" may be even worse for your reelection chances.
Mitt should take his magic underwear and go home.
I got dunked on for a post I made in another sub about Romney taking a verbal shot at trump shortly after he said he wasn’t going to run for re-election, my point was that it would have had far more impact if he “led” the way early on by being more vocal on trumps behavior instead of sitting on his hands.
I was told “he did what he could” and “he was a powerless and out numbered” Romney publicly saying that trump should have been pardoned puts what little he may have done behind the scenes in doubt (to me) It’s just another in a long line of republicans telling everyone that it’s ok if we break laws just as long as it’s a member of the gop
No stupid. That was a terrible f---ing idea when Ford did it for Nixon and it's a terrible f---ing idea now. Sit your ass down and shut up.
Oh and to all the fools out there that saw him as "one of the good ones"....you were wrong
Little known fact about Mitt Romney is that he is a bonafide silver medalist in the dipshit Olympics.
All of his voters and enablers tied for the gold.
Pardon a guy who stole Americans secrets and lied about having them? Romney has always waffled on key subjects. That is why he lost to Obama. Romney is a super rich nutty person. He will always shoot himself in the foot.
Eugene Goodman saved Romney's life on January 6th, but Romney wants the guy who sent rioters who chased him through the halls and staircases of the Capitol pardoned? What a complete ass.
Also, Romney said that Biden (the big guy) should pardon "the little guy". How, by any metric, is Trump a little guy?
No one should be above the law.
That's funny. Trump would see Biden in jail, for nothing.
Nixon was known for Watergate. Trump is known for the January 6th 2021 insurrection attempt. Pardoning Trump would be a mistake, given that Trump has little interest for the American people.
There really isn't anything to the Republican Party beyond groveling to Donald Trump anymore.
A president can't pardon for state crimes. And Romney knows that, I presume.
So trump did something wrong....
Mitt is an idiot, so pay no attention to him.
I wish Romeny had a spine.
Mitt never learns, does he?
What is this view of President above everybody ? Like as if Trump would have changed to Mahatma. He would have rebounced with much vigor.
So he thinks Republicans are attacking the legal system, but sees no issue with pardoning someone to make himself feel big and belittle the person he pardons. Wow, such respect for the legal system there Mitt.
NFW and since ol Mitt you don't understand how things work, Biden could not pardon trump from state charges if he wanted to
If you had read the article, he said that he should pressure the states to drop charges.
and how EXACTLY should he pressure the states? Orange Jabba needs to go to jail for the good of the country
Screw you.
It worked so well with Nixon. The country has suffered zero negative repercussions.
Whatever...MITT.
No.
For which crime?
Rmoney pls.
HA
NO
Trump and maga people hate him. Why suck up to Trump?
Pardoned him for what? He's the most not guilty guy in history! More innocent than Jesus
Oh Mittens... Does he really think if Biden did that that Trump would reciprocate in any way? He'd still be the unsufferable asshole that he is. And he'd just use the pardon to make a statement like "Even Sleepy Joe knows the election was stolen. This is why he pardoned me."
Yeah, I expect if Trump is elected, he won't be saying the same thing when Trump tries to prosecute every Dem in DC.
The Scorpion and The Frog. Mitt needs to read that again.
Oh hell no! Fk off Romney
The uniparty is alive and well
No he shouldn’t - trump needs to be held accountable for his actions. He is a lifelong criminal and should be take his final putrid breath in a cell
DAMNIT! I was just starting to like the guy.
Oh that’s just his magic underwear talking.
Trump would have to admit guilt for a pardon and that’s not ever going to happen.
While I say Mitt should never be POTUS for only this reason. GOP thinks Trumps crimes are both bad enough that he needs a pardon and not that bad so they can vote for him. Fuck your people.
Biden can't pardon a POS who won't go through the court process and admit he is guilty.
That's the first step that Mittens fails to acknowledge.
Trump has to face court. And bee "guilty". Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned him for Watergate.
Trump has to admit he fucked up. And that's the first step. Which will never happen as Trump is always "that guy, did ity" the buck stops at "that guy". Never Trump himself.
If Trump wasn’t able to run again, maybe he might have. Also, Romney is an idiot.
Go back to Bain capital and bankrupt ore good companies Mittens you punk
BS MITT
Help me understand what would Biden pardon Trump for? Aren’t the incitements against Trump in state courts? Did not think the President has this power.
Aaaaand the real Mit is back.
Romney is a moron sometimes.
Trump hasn’t been convicted of anything yet. He also believes laws don’t apply to him or that he’s done anything wrong.
We should be holding leaders to a HIGHER standard, not a LESSER. They impose and reflect the rules that make our society work and when they break them, they should be a front and center example of how they should be punished.
No, he should not... trump deserves pushishment for his massive docket of wrongdoing and for all the people he has hurt...
NOPE‼️🛑
Treason doesn’t deserve to be pardoned, Mittens.
Every time you think Romney is a halfway ( decent, intelligent ) he blurts out some 💩 like this‼️🫣🙄
To be pardoned you have to be convicted of a crime and admit it.
Fuck that.
I love mitt but he is wrong , that’s like saying let all criminals free who threaten judges
Why "would" he pardon his competition?
See never forget that Romney is a piece of garbage like the rest of the GQP
And I thought Romney was at least 50% intelligent.
DEAD WRONG, Mitt. Pardoning resolves nothing.
The only republican I thought I still had respect for just lost it🫣
Presidents should lose the ability to pardon. This shit is fucking ridiculous.
This is probably because he and his family have had their lives threatened repeatedly by Trump supporters.
That seems to be likely, as he's been pretty anti-Trump for most of this. But, he's got a history of saying one thing, doing another.
This is why solely prison is a terrible idea as punishment for Trump and his supporters. Some Republican will pardon them.
I wonder if Putin has compromising information on Romney. Just look at what happened to Lindsay Graham. One day he goes from angry critic of Trump to disgusting sycophant.
For what exactly? Trump has to admit he did something wrong in order to get pardoned, and that’s something he’s incapable of doing.
lol.. and this Mitt is why Donnie took you out to dinner and never called you back.
Fuck no he should not have. Jesus Mitt give me a break
Trump is the distruction of the United States of America. Mitt, you are wrong on this one. Diaper Don , the rapist, liar and thief tried to overthrow the United States Government.
Dammit. Every time I think the ol’ Mitter is a beacon of a fraction or a sliver or a tiny bit of sanity in the GOP, he says stuff like this.