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please GOD let us see Sarada do SOMETHING. can’t believe we’re waiting months at a time to see everyone except for Boruto fail to do anything important
I knew they were going to butcher her character when they had Sasuke spend all his time with Boruto when there's no one else to train her how to use the sharingan.
…..Kakashi lol
Would have loved if Naruto trained her.
Sasuke had to spend all this time with Boruto because Sarada told him too, Boruto’s a wanted criminal and Sasuke’s the strongest person on the planet who would keep him safe
I am not u/Dicey12 but i think they are talking about before that whole fiasco, in the manga they barely spend time together, heck sarada complains about that issue and the only times they do train is like anime filler which is already confusing cause in the anime sarada is a chunin while in the manga she is a genin still, sad thing is that doesn’t seem like she trained with Sakura or even anybody but ima wait for more chapters to confirm that
The people who work on manga do not consider the anime filler because they treat the anime as basically an expanded version of the manga that tells the complete story. Because of the actions that happened towards the end of part one, the anime is probably gonna explain that she got demoted.
Sasuke should of never been his mentor in the first place. The uchiha clan is gone and you would think training the only other uchiha living would be on the top of Sasuke's priority list when he's in the village. Could of easily made konahamaru be his trainer or
Konohamaru believes that Boruto murdered Naruto thanks to Omnipotence, Sasuke only fought it because Sarada’s bond with her father was strong enough for him to forget.
Im talking about before the current events this is not the first time Sasuke trained Boruto
Sasuke has trained Sarada before though, even in the Kara actuation arc, he chose her over him
I've been waiting for months to finally see konoha 12 actually show up and do something instead of Ino just communicating and Shikamaru sitting on a chair.
Like Moegi could have developed before she became a tree. The excuse that it's monthly doesn't work as AoT is monthly yet has good pacing heck versus is biweekly having roughly same pages yet development is pretty solid
I'm all for supporting the health of writers/illustrators and making sure they're not overworked, but there's gotta be *something* better suited to this series in terms of release strategy. The art and story just don't reflect a monthly release schedule to me, and honestly I've read weekly releases that are of higher quality and consistency. Keeping up with this manga month after month feels more like a punishment than a reward at this point lol. I think I'm better off just binging it once a year or so.
Shikamaru leads the village right?
That's what I have been saying. Boruto is the only character allowed to do anything. Instead of making Boruto cool by being better than other characters, they just make everyone else useless.
She destroyed the dude's arm with a Chidori before he regenerated and only lost cuz the dude's the second strongest in the group and can create his own escape/summon routes for sneak attacks.
No one's giving Sumire and Konohamaru the same heat for being blindsided.
Like let's be honest with ourselves, Boruto lost against all four of them together. He came in with the save for one, but would we have called it good writing if Sasuke was able to beat full power Orochimaru in the Forest of Death.
I’m not hating on Sarada at all. I’m solely annoyed with how they’ve written & used her in the plot thus far. Despite having a full-fledged sharingan for a while now, we’ve barely seen her use it in combat situations for more than the 3 seconds it takes to strike with a chidori. Her big mangekyo reveal has amounted to absolutely nothing because the writers refuse to let her use it so Boruto can get bonus points for saving her again.
I wouldn’t be half as upset with her trying and struggling/failing against overwhelmingly strong opponents if she was allowed to even attempt to use any of the strategy or jutsu that we know she’s capable of. I was so hyped for a female Uchiha with a new mangekyo and the strengths of Sakura and Sasuke, and yet we get to see maybe 1% of her potential at any given time. It’s annoying that they highlighted how intelligent & powerful she was at the beginning of the series, hyping her, Mitsuki, and Boruto up to be a fantastic team, and then they’ve refused to elaborate on that ever since.
Konohamaru and Sumire are not main cast. Konohamaru has been a jobber since chapter 1 so no one expected anything from him. and considering Sarada possess mangekeyo she shoule be more capable than this
Sumire ain't shinobi anymore and Konohamaru people gave up on him for a while now
Poor Sarada and Himawari; get a couple panels of being cool and competent only to having to be bailed out by Boruto once again. Why ever have the focus leave Boruto if he’s going to be the only one who actually accomplishes anything?
I can give Himawari a pass on that front since she at least got a decent fight scene and it was her first real fight (though having instant perfect control over her new powers is questionable). Sarada getting clowned over and over and over again is just inexcusable.
i mean do you realize what are they fighting?...
But then why even include them in the story at all if you want to make that argument?
No idea, they could have introduced weaker enemies first but they started with the big ones quite early.
Well we haven't seen Matsuri or Bug's Shinju and they're probably going after Eida in secret.
But Sarada managed to destroy Hidari's arm before he regenerated. Nice.
I swear almost everytime Konahamaru does something cool, he gets owned. It's like he's not allowed to actually shine.
That being said that new guard type rasegan was a pleasant surprise.
You gotta remember he’s along with team 10 are going to have to face moegi shinju . Do I expect konohamru to win he’ll no but I would be highly disappointed if he Dident debut a monkey sage mode . I’ll say this since kishi arrived he been giving konohamru way more screen time
I would be ecstatic if he did some sage mode thing, though I think as the older character he'd probably be doomed in that fight. Though it seems very unfair and uncool to kill him after Sarutobi and Asuma both died. I'd prefer that he get, like, knocked out or trapped to let the kids get the win but still keep him alive.
This is my theory from a couple months ago how I see everything playing out
The number of people who thought Konohamaru was going to die before he fought Matsuri is nuts.
Lol I don’t understand it neither 😂😂😂 these match up have been forshadowed even inojin team 10 as a whole is going to be apart of that fight. Now what happens from there is a whole diffrent story to me the only people I know won’t die is konohamru and shikidai . Even sarada she’ll end up 2 v1 hidari with boruto revealing her ms people are crying way to premature . This to me is humbling arc I always felt that way since before the invasion this arc where they barley come out alive scarred having a dramatic change . Which is needed people forget they grew up in the era of peace this will be a reality check shifting the tone people will die !!!
And to think he was supposed to be the new Kakashi.
Naruto had to learn rasengan as fundamentals on top of train with Killer Bee in order to master biju bomb
and now Himawari with baby Kurama no less able to master bijuu bomb out of the gate lol
Not to mention getting Naruto’s ninja Jesus power to heal others instantly and having better healing 😂
Surely this healing power would be super useful in the war. like for example to SAVE NEJI WHEN HE WAS DYING?
He was out of chakra at that point
Also we don’t know yet if Himas status as Biju vs jinjuriki give her more access to healing….seems like to does
But I was told this is peak writing. Even tho none of it makes sense.
Naruto didn’t have kurama to assist he was just using his chakra at that point….as soon as seal undone they do it togheter
Hima does it w Kurama like KCM2 Naruto
Context!
Ikemoto's drawing is so bland, speed lines used for background not artistic. They should find a better mangaka. or Masashi should take over his drawing.
This my biggest problem with the manga.
Naruto could only heal others besides himself after receiving the power from the sage of 6 paths so why can himi just all of a sudden heal completely punctured torso.
That’s what I was thinking too when reading this chp. Healing herself is one thing, being able to heal others is something else entirely
i always found stupid that you can heal other but not yourself, like a balance patch problem xd
She’s a biju vs him being a jinjuriki it seems
I cant help but feel that the biju thing was a cop out just so they could close the strength gap between himi and the antagonists just because if they don’t boruto would be too long if himi was complete trash with kurama in the beginning
Sure, that’s such a pessimistic view of the narrative tho
Vs the more interesting view that she’s an anomaly and this only works bc of Naruto’s lasting impact on kurama
That can very well be true but I feel given what we seen in the past my viewpoint more aligns with the reality of the situation. At the end of the day the writers can write whatever they want even if it doesn’t align with what we’ve seen in the past hence forth himi coming out the gate with strength greater than shippuden Naruto. It is what it is and I have to accept that himi can now do these things but that doesn’t stop me from noticing the “jumping of the shark” or conveniences that boruto is trying to take to circumvent them from making a more full and nuanced story of growth that Naruto had in the original series
Also in this case I guess both viewpoints can be true. It can be a interesting cop out that’s she an anomaly
I mean both our takes are the “reality” of the situation, u can choose how u approach the narrative from a place of enjoyment (of the world, characters, story) or from a place where ure already to tear it down
Imo this DOES align w the ~vague~ info we’ve gotten in the past on the beasts. They come back. Hima was a beckon for kurama (she got a sliver of his chakra =whiskers) has the genes to handle it. Kurama using baryon mode was presumably his first w a host so how should he know the after effects? Plus he’s now no longer sealed but is one w Hima. This only could work BC of Naruto’s accomplishments w Kurama….if anything the sage of six paths was on one w his Justus to split ten tails
“Jump the shark” is fair take but hima, while strong, is very inexperienced still and as we saw lacks battle iq…..plus whose to say how much kurama was assisting Hima?
Tbh I am fine with hima being compatible and capable of these things my major issue is just how fast it happened. And honestly inojin dying would have been nice touch but that’s just cause I wanna see loss and a darker story lol so that just me. Essentially what happened in this chapter of her getting saved by boruto would have happened had she put up a horrible fight or a good fight regardless. But now with her foundation so high it to me makes everything in Naruto pale In comparison. I have a similar issue with boruto and momoshiki. But that’s the very nature of shounen the longer it goes on the harder it is to keep a self contained power scale that never derails from the beginning of the series. Mostly cause every new big bad has to be interesting with more power and the newer character need to match and overcome the new big bads. It makes the old characters and old big bads seem like child’s play
A brief history of Sarada's journey getting her ass saved in the entire series:
1.Ch11 - Sarada lets her guard down and gets snuck by a fodder mujina bandit to which Boruto has to bail her out. No sharingan active
2.Chapter 58 – Sarada lets her guard down and gets tricked by a shadow clone from Kawaki and needs to get bailed out by Boruto. No sharingan active
3.Chapter 79 - Like 5 people tell Sarada that Kawaki is crazy, so Sarada decides to go face to face against Kawaki without her sharingan on which causes her to get caught of guard and Boruto has to save her ass.
4.TBVCh1 - Code pulls up on her - Boruto has to bail her out (i'll let it go because it introduces Boruto back but did the first showing of Sarada after the TS have to be her needing to be saved???).
TBVCH2 – Let’s her guard down and gets caught off guard by a fodder claw grime – needs to be saved by some fodder shinobi.
TBV Ch11 - Boruto has to save her ass against Hidari.
Truly peak writing - Kishi has certainly improved his pen for female characters.
Seriously though, her overall introduction over the TS has been terrible.
Like every time Sarada appears in battle, instead of fleshing her out by herself, he's gotta press the summon Boruto button every single time. I can't believe this is the same man that wrote the Uchiha in the original series.
Btw, I'm not even expecting her to win against Hidari but I expect her to do something and actually showcase her growth from the 3 year TS (exclusing the MS). This battle should have been what Mitsuki vs Boruto was - Boruto was clearly outclassing Mitsuki, but Mitsuki was able to showcase what he had learned over the TS so that we as the readers can gauge where he is at.
The fact that Sarada was snuck kinda helps with how I originally felt about Sarada this issue. That being said, Sarada knows how the claws work - she's seen Hidari, code and the claw grimes travel between claws, yet she positions herself next to one??? Like where is her brain??? Where is her spatial awareness??? The truth is they need Sarada to be an idiot so that Boruto can play the knight in shinning armour as per usual. I also love the way that most of the fandom are defending Sarada getting snuck but clown on Kawaki when he got snuck by Mitsuki like wtf???
At this point I just hope Boruto take Sarada away from the village and sends her ass to Orochimaru for training. Give her an upgraded version of Sasuke's timeskip training with Orochimaru's up to date knowledge. Might as well slap on a curse mark too cause this girl clearly did nothing but whine at Shikamaru about Boruto's innocence for 3 years.
Considering Kishimoto is supposed to have only recently been involved in this series, and his writing for Sarada in the Scarlet Spring was actually pretty good... I blame the new writer. Ikemoto is also to blame for making questionable design choices for the women. Kishimoto doesn't have the best track record but he never sexualised 12 year olds. I can see Kishimoto's influence on more recent chapters in regards to plot, but I don't blame him for the characters as that has been consistent throughout. I'm guessing most supervising original creators don't get much say anyway.
Edit: edited to change the blame to the new writer as well
Edit 2: because it needs to be said, I am talking about the poor design choice of Sarada's first outfit, upskirting 12 year olds is just fucked up
Ikemoto is just the illustrator you can blame him for the designs, art and fight scenes but he isn’t in charge of the characters development
Thanks, I edited it to add the new writer in. I've only ever seen people mention Ikemoto on these discussions so I forgot there was a new writer as well. Especially as Kishimoto did the whole thing himself originally.
Ikemoto is the artist, so he's to blame for his terrible designs - Literally just k-pop stan that wants this characters to look like Idols.
Kishimoto took over the manga since the chapter 50 range. before hand Kodachi was writing. Although Kodachi was underusing her, he was definitely allowing Sarada to do more when she got panel time and you could actually see that he was setting things up for her.
That all got dropped when Kishi took over though and since the, we've just been getting typical ship bait and damsel writing for Sarada.
It baffles me how people try to justify Sarada acting like an infantil in battles by saying "But Boruto trained for 3 years with Sasuke and Jiraiya‘s Clone and is Otsusuki (however that’s spelled)".
Well and Sarada did nothing in those 3 years I suppose?
Fr - yes Sarada's potential takes a hit with Sasuke leaving her but there are other people in the village that can help i.e Sakura or Kakashi.
Also, Orochimaru seems to be working with the leaf village, so Sarada could have got permission to train with him. Would have made sense with the omnipotence since team Taka genuinely care for Sasuke and wouldn't care that he's a criminal, and the researcher in Orochimaru would hear her out. He could have turned her into a beast like Sasuke did in his TS.
I mean Kawaki I also has done nothing for three years but stare at Naruto in deep sleep
Kawaki doesn't have to, he has Karma v2. The problem is he hasn't shown it yet
He hasn't shown it or there's nothing to show? He got bodied by 3 people so far with number 4 on the way
Thats my issue with the way he is written, why the fuck doesn't they let him show Karma v2 for once? They jerk Boruto off instead to show how cool he is
Not like she could have gotten genjutsu training from both kakashi and Kurenai. Sharningan training from kakashi. Byakugo training from tsunade and Sakura And you training from Might Gai especially since she was demoted so she has more time to train
Edited, thanks I forgot about him. I only ever see people mention Ikemoto on this sub. I'm used to manga having one creator, maybe that's part of the problem when you have the three of them plus an editor, too many cooks.
Idk, Kodachi had 50 chapters to do something cool with her, but he didn't. If he was going to he would have, that's 50 whole months. (Side note: damn this series has been going a long time, feels like yesterday it started.) Kishi's writing was so good for Scarlet Spring, but maybe it's both of them combined that are bad at writing women. Sometimes Kishi hits it out of the park and other times not so much.
I agree with your point about Kodachi but it's more of the set-up that he was giving her that interested me. The only big moment he gave her was the the Boro fight but he did give her small moments in the earlier arcs which Kishimoto doesn't even do.
The set-up I was appreciating was the potential set up for Orochimaru being her master. Ninja cards are really important in this series with Boruto wanting the SSS rated Sasuke card which implied his bond with Sasuke. Kawaki trades his card with Boruto to get the Naruto SSS Ninja card (Ironically, the card Kawaki trades with Boruto is the Minato card which must have been done on purpose since Boruto now knows FTG)
Sarada in CH15 of the manga pulled the Orochimaru SSS Ninja card which implied to me that they were gonna set him up for her. Mitsuki in CH38 then states that Orochimaru has been studying the Byakugou seal which further pushed that idea. If anyone is gonna help find a new level to the seal, it's gonna be the genius researcher that wants to find the mysteries of the universe.
Kishimoto then takes over the writing and Sarada just stopped getting those kinds of hints between her and Orochi. Her ship bait writing drastically raised tho.
It's a shame since Orochimaru would have been a really good teacher to get her to the desired level in a reasonable way that makes sense.
I thought she just pulled that card as a reference to Scarlet Spring, though I haven't read that exact chapter in years. Him studying the seal could just be a nod to him being a scientist. I think it would be cool, but I think she is supposed to be with Naruto, Boruto with Sasuke, and Mitsuki with Orochimaru. Seeing as Sarada isn't walking the darker path like Sasuke did, I think they will avoid the comparison.
Though they might not do the three masters, three students at all this time. It seems to be all Boruto and Kawaki focused. I thought at the end of Naruto the two brothers fight cycle was supposed to be broken but I guess not. I'm kind of disappointed on what they chose to focus on for Boruto. I saw some image floating around when it first started of Boruto, Sarada and Mitsuki in the future, Sarada had mangekyo. I thought we would head towards that but it never happened. I just really want to see if she would get a female Susano'o. She was the one I was most looking forward to seeing, my enthusiasm disappeared after the first up-skirting.
He created a new claw behind her while they was questioning his connection to Sasuke, that’s why the sneak attack worked.
Himawari getting random power that more than Naruto is beyond me. Lol
It also cheapens every "death" that will come in the future. "Just heal'em!"
Not if hima isn’t there lol or if they are “devoured”
Yeah, somehow Himawari was just given a powerup that took Naruto years to attain and she surpassed him in using that power despite this being a chibi Kurama and Naruto being not only the Jinchuriki of the nine tails, but also the Jinchuriki of every bijuu, making him the pseudo Jubbi Jinchuriki
idk she is nowhere close to Naruto, even he could use bijuu dama of this magnitude early on when he rampaged in kyuubi mode
Something something unlimited Kyuubi power
Naruto had kurama sealed and access to half his chakra during shippuden
Hima and Kurama seem be more of one entity; a humanoid biju vs a sealed jinjuriki
Himwari randomly able to control her hair, use biju bomb, and heal people. She has no cloak but can put up a fight somehow.
Exactly what I was thinking. Naruto needed training from Killer Bee to learn how to make bijuu bombs. Himawari can somehow just do it on her own instantly on her first transformation without even knowing what a bijuu is.
And by Jura’s own words, her super-healing is even better than any other normal jinchuriki’s, literally Ten-Tails Madara/Six Paths level healing.
This kurama likes humans so I can suspend a little belief but they still went too far. She can perfectly mold yin yang chakra instantly and doesn't need chakra cloak. And why does she have hair powers? Jiraiya had to weave hand signs to do hair jutsu but her it's like extra limbs.
True, I can accept an already-friendly Kurama making it easier than normal and maybe doing it for her, but yeah, it’s too much all at once.
Even if it turns out as some people speculate that Himawari’s and just knew how to do these things instinctively, in the context of Boruto’s power creep problems it comes off as forced. We’re still talking about a “baby” Kurama and a child after all.
The hair thing I assume is just an alternate version of the chakra cloak tails and a callback to Kushina.
Wouldnt Kurama or Shukaku have noticed that there was a half bijuu around.
looks like her bijuu powers just awakened when baby Kurama started to manifest inside her
Being half bijuu would explain it but then shouldn't she be powerful 24/7?
She's half Bijuu, so it's only half the time she's powerful. They've only shown us the non-bijuu half in the manga currently. That's why she seems weak. It's pretty obvious to understand for people like me (I have severe brain damage and make things up)
I have severe brain damage and make things up
You could be the writer of this manga. You've got all the qualifications.
It’s likely a callback to Kaguya as well since she used to use her hair to attack as well.
Sidenote, it’s the latest chapter discussion thread, you don’t need to tag spoilers here
Which doesn't make any sense given that jura has never observed jinchuriki in action before. He must've read somewhere but if he thinks that what he's seeing is beyond what he read then he must be mistaken because we've seen Naruto heal a hole in his chest in no time.
And also tentails jinchuriki have passive Regen, while others don't. Even the bijuu themselves don't have the tentails passive Regen.
Tbf and correct me if I’m wrong naruto didn’t actually learn how to make a tailed beast bomb during that training he tried to but failed. He didn’t get it until he and Kurama were synced together and even then he got it on the first try despite not being able to do it before.
Naruto had access to just kurama chakra during biju training not the beast; w KCM2 he instantly could biju bomb
Kurama is not sealed in hima and working in tandem
let’s make an inference mama!
Kurama did say that she had a better bond with him than all the previous jinchuuriki(likely due to her being a Hamura and Hagoromo's son's reincarnation's descendent(that's a lot of apostrophes)), maybe it's similar to the avatar state where she can gain the knowledge/he can pass on techniques or knowledge to make it easier for her to learn idk
Just throwing out ideas and that one makes sense to me I guess, and tbf she was getting her ass kicked when the guy started to actually try
All that with a baby Kurama
She's the first person ever born with a bijuu other than maybe Hagoroma and Hamura and the aliens
Technically Gaara, too, since he received Shukaku before his birth.
Wasn't that as a fetus? I don't remember if it was before he was conceived.
But, yes, you're technically correct there.
Was she born with kurama? I thought she only got him after Naruto went baryon mode
I don't know, Minato being able to split him was already weird. (And Minato being perfect at using the power just because Naruto could seems even more odd)
But, yeah, I think there was a little bit of Kurama inside of her the entire time and that happened to be where he appeared again as opposed to in the wild. Though I still maintain that our Kurama never realized he wasn't really dying since he would have mentioned that to Naruto.
His reemergence really takes away from his "sacrifice"
It feels weird as heck to me too. But I’m feeling like Kiddy Kurama is flowing his chakra through her hair as a medium. She looks shocked about the Bijuu bomb forming while her hair formed the 9-Tails form
This is so ass bro.
This chapter is a patriarchal W
Himawari‘s power-up still feels shoehorned in for me.
Yes, she isn’t dominating Jura but the whole speech about her surpassing previous Jinchuuriki, transcending the jinchuuriki, effortlessly healing Inojin (who was likely dead at this point), wielding Kurama‘s powers more or less from the get go and more is nonsense to me.
People trying to compare her growth to Minato‘s (WA KCM) is even more nonsense. Hima apparently trained for 3 years, yet we got one training sequence of her and Ino-Shika-Cho plus some ominous statement, and people try to tell me her growth is natural?
I like Hima as a character. It’s her power trajectory that reeks of plot-induced power-up to keep up with Boruto (Another can of worms).
Kawaki getting clowned on yet again makes me dislike this scene even more.
Kishi just being kishi doing bad decisions. With hima he should have taken time making her follow hyuga path gaining tenseigen.
Kishi ain’t writing
The original announcement was more so the story would follow very rough outlines by Kishi.
He hasn’t been credited as writer like Ikemoto and hasn’t said a word about the series in 4+ years. Only talked about the Minato one shot
Recent French interview clarified it too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/EZH2nZUkA1
I mean idk why this always gets downvoted. Kishimoto was doing a Toriyama like outline for a few chapters and since then his presence has definitely diminished. He doesn’t talk about the series, he isn’t credited anymore and most importantly this writing doesn’t give off any of his writing style. It’s clearly not him, even the side characters are used less in this
this writing doesn’t give off any of his writing style.
Seeing the one shot about Minato - I would say you are right.
Toriyama did far more for DBS than Kishi ever did for Boruto, Toyotaro included Toriyama’s inputs in volumes, how he corrected his art and gave him advice etc., nothing like that has been said about Kishi by Ikemoto
Undeniably true. Toriyama was extremely involved in both the manga, movies and anime. From character designs, to rough outlines, corrections, notes and advice and even mandates that something specific must be included in the anime and manga versions. Kishimoto has never been that deep especially when you think about how Super had two different continuities. He was just the closest example I can think of
Huh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
I’m sorry, but the repeating formula of-
Enemy shows up in leaf village>Everyone freaks out and struggles against enemy>Boruto suddenly shows up>Easily handles enemy that everyone else is struggling with>Boruto Leaves>Enemy shows up in leaf village
Is starting to get old.
Mind you were only 11 chapters in and they have already reused this trope
Whats funny is that this happend 4 times lmao
"Starting" to??
I mean it’s the second time to happens huh
4th*
Boruto easily handles enemy:
Um...he ran away from the Shinju who tried to kill him in chapter 4.
Fighting two of them is gonna be easier, no doubt, but like he's not winning against two people who can fight Himawari, Team 10, Sarada, Sumire, and Konohamaru without getting bruised up in the process.
Um...he ran away from the Shinju who tried to kill him in chapter 4.
Yeah and he's running from a group of Frieza is all it takes to pressure a borderline Stu. This is a complete low for his character that supposedly have struggle.
He’s running from a group of Frieza. If you’re talking about the claw grimes, the only reason he beat them in the present was because he couldn’t beat them in the past and actively trained to try and improve that.
If you’re talking about the Shinju…. Who are still trying to develop their personalities so the Frieza argument doesn’t work either, almost every Sasuke said in the next chapter that he and Sarada are the key to stopping them and he has to actively find a way to get his allies on the same page in order to fight them properly.
Also, can we please stop using Gary Sue’s/MARI suit to describe character we don’t like?
And Boruto has struggled, but anytime he actually had floss to overcome you all called it bad writing. Like when his arrogance caused him to lose fights even before he graduated the Academy, or when his desperation for Naruto’s approval motivated him to cheat even though he would’ve won had he believed in his own power, or how he only wins team fights because his sporadic nature means he can’t counterattack properly without teammates who are stronger, or the fact that his jutsu on his own and are inherently strong so he has to combine them in order to make it stronger attacks.
Or in the Vessel arc where his bad experiences with Ninja Tech made him disavow them until he saw how it could benefit ala the amputees and tried to get Ao to go back to being a Shinobi, or how his actions with Momoshiki resulted in him having to converse his chakra otherwise his body could’ve gotten taken over or have his consciousness swapped for the guy who took out his mentors eye.
Or in the Code and Prophecy arc where he lets himself get blind to Kawaki’s ambitions and naively thinks getting himself killed would end the threat instead of actively fighting back Kawaki’s extremist attitude all for the sake of wiping out Otsutsuki.
And how that flaw resulted in his entire life getting stolen from him. Plus, the fact that he has to be very careful about how he fights otherwise he can risk getting taken down and getting absorbed by the 10 tails which would end up destroying the planet and killing all life on humanity, having to navigate due to village without putting his allies in danger
Was this chapter censored last minute or something? The who sequence on pg 32 and 33 were her shirt rips from an attack that doesn't leave any marks seems wrong...
Seems like it was supposed to be a micro bijuudama destroying her left side, but they censored everything by keeping all the flesh on her
Damn that's pretty sad, it completely ruins what's supposed to have been this epic reveal of her regeneration abilities.
impaling a 16 year old boy with a Wodden spike with the diameter of a car wheel ? ye.. feels good !.
Indicating even a single scratch at himas body after tanking a miniature bijuu bomb? That's where we draw the line !
Damn! This is brutal
There are holes on her skin. I'm guessing that was the attack. Miniature energy bullets.
Tiny little bullets of energy love!
How long has it been since (in the real world) Sarada unlocked her Mangekyo Sharingan? And we still don't know what it's ability is. If Mitsuki and Himawari can have cool moments (even if the power scaling is whack) while still being beaten, why can't Sarada? Even Konohamaru got to show off a new ability this chapter.
It’s weird how these kids are handing these threats but we still have a whole lot of veteran Shinobi. Where is SAKURA, KAKASHI, ROCK LEE? Are they dead wtf is the old cast
You're forgetting when Isshiki showed up for Kawaki in the anime he bodied all of them minus Kakashi😂. The olds casts minus Naruto and Sasuke both who are out of commission btw are basically non existent.
The art is still bland backgrounds and speed lines 😐 bro is addicted to making the backgrounds just lines despite having a literal month between chapters unlike other mangakas
I wish Himwari's power was tied to her character development in some way. Like she's a prodigy that devoted the time skip to mastering the rasengan in several variations. And her motivation for mastering was because it's a connection to her father. All this could have been shown or just mentioned during the training scene a few chapters ago.
So every character that’s not Boruto is worthless got it. At this point the only reason Sarada is still alive is to be a kitchen maid like Hinata to Naruto.
man at least hiatus has the excuse of being a side character but Sarada should be a super important character for the series.
Remember that movie where they made Hinata a super strong Otsutski princess just for her to become a baby factory?
Sarada better start taking notes.
Kishi dropped the ball not giving himawari tenseigen instead of kurama
No fucking way can Himawari instantly control a biju bomb...
This bullshit is truly off the chats
I like how Treesuke can just spit fire without doing shit.
Love this as a new Dragon Ball Super chapter. As a new Naruto chapter? Not so much.
Sorry Kodachi. perhaps i treated you too harshly
ever since Kishimoto or whoever take over the writing. this manga has turn into total dogshit. both story and pacing. Kodachi writing isn't very good but his pacing is way better and i enjoyed it more than the current. writing.
and of course he treated Sarada way better than the current writer. Now Sarada reduced to damsel in distress and being a trophy wife for the main character so he can looks cool and awesome. yeah of course there's instance during Kodachi part where Sarada gets into trouble and need saving but it's like once from what i can remember. TBV is only 11 chapters and Sarada alread been saved 3 times!. Did the writer foget she had mangekeyo? even if you make excuses she didn't want to go blind and will only use the MS when it absolutely neceessar, isn't this a best time to use it with her tied down to a tree and all his friends are knocked out? not even Sakura was this bad
Delta constantly disrespect Kawaki is the only good thing in the last couple of chapters
Kodachi wrote the entire thing before leaving
I have read fanfics with better writing. No wonder why the sales look the way they do.
Its funny the boruto sub is parading this chapter as peak while this sub is actually critiquing the chapter for its weak points.
The Boruto sub is delusional
Echo chambers do be like that. They are just kids after all, easy to tell by the way they are writing.
Just like how this sub is an echo chamber for Naruto? Kishimoto wrote Samurai 8 which was an absolute flop that got canceled early on, and yet you guys seem to praise him like he’s the best writer in the world. Like face the facts, the reason Boruto is “bad” is because your precious Kishimoto is writing it. His editor was the only thing that saved Naruto early on.
All the female characters being bad in Naruto? Kishimoto can be blamed for that. The Kaguya arc (which started Boruto) - Kishimoto can be blamed for that. The war arc ended up trash with Madara being a Gary Sue? Kishimoto.
I am all in for Kishimoto 'hate' for his dogshit writing in Boruto mate. He is praised for Naruto, but he is also heavily criticised for writing of female characters and aliens in Naruto. Its just the rest of Naruto is very good that people forget its flaws, or at least let it slip.
Exactly.
You say that but I've seen plenty of valid criticism over there too. It's just not framing everything as complete dogshit or complaining about how Hima can do Bijuu Bombs and have better healing/regeneration than Naruto even though it's already explained as her having a better connection to Kurama in part because of Naruto.
TBV started off hype, but it's quickly falling off super hard. Nobody knows why sakura, Lee, kakashi, tsunade, shino, Kiba, temari, kankuro, any other village/kage, etc aren't helping. Like where are they?????
Plus the power creep is insane. I can understand boruto getting all his stuff in the time skip bc although it's all strong stuff, it isn't anything impossible. Mainly flying raijin, kenjutsu, and a new rasengan.
Kishimoto HAS to show the side cast doing things next chapter or I feel like the manga is just cooked and done for. Himawari, sarada, the new ino-shika-cho, mirai, sumerei/nue, or ffs even just showing what other villages and kage are thinking or what's happening with naruto and hinata?
The last like, 6 chapters have taken place in a span of 20 minutes. We're 11 chapters in and I feel like we've gotten absolutely nowhere.
Same pacing as “part 1” had after Kawaki was found. Like remember when Naruto got sealed then team Sarada immediately frees him? Then Jigen is destroyed and Isshiki invades the village
Always been my number one complaint with the series
thats the problem with monthly scheduling that isn't properly thought out the naruto series is use to a weekly schedule and it shows. It feels like boruto the series is running really really fast but is just in the same place and isn't going anywhere
yea its started getting annoying that theres just so much that just isnt being addressed since the time skip and they just keep jumping from one fight scene to the next. like would maybe take a good 5 panels to explain where some of the best fighters in the village have disappeared too, like i would understand if kakashi or sakura or whatever are on a secret mission, but like, they could at least leave hints suggesting that or a brief comment from shikamaru/konohamaru. i feel power creep is more to be expected i just wish they implemented it better, like the fact that himawari just suddenly unlocks all this power at the exact right moment. compare that to naruto finally making amends with kurama and unlocking KCM.
This is why the anime was good for acknowledging this stuff cause the manga never has
Hima uses a Bijuu Bomb within 10 panels of inheriting Kurama. This shit is so ass 🤢
And in the other sub people downvoted me for this statement and justified this nonsense by stating that due to Naruto‘s friendship with Kurama, it’s only logical for Himawari to wield Kyuubi‘s powers, plus she transcends Jinchuuriki (Whatever that means).
Cool, but Kurama granting her his powers ≠ Himawari using his powers from the get go.
You're not wrong. I was wondering how the other sub found the Himawari and Kurama stuff exciting. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Kurama popped inside her and how she can instantly do biju bombs and stuff on the fly.
This chapter was very meh to me.
Maybe I’ve been spoiled by other series, but the Inoji resurrection was very…. mundane. Anyone could have guessed that they wouldn’t have the guts to keep him dead.
Nine-tail Himi artstyle is cool. Interested to see how it develops.
My biggest gripe right now is that Boruto is the ONLY person capable of ANYTHING. It makes for a boring manga because like Ten Tails said, everyone seems so incompetent.
New Sadara powers? No. New team dynamics? No. New entry of past cast? No. Let’s not write god-tier villains ya can’t make it entertaining.
- At least the cool frogs are back lol.
I enjoyed the chapters preceding this, but I hope we see SOMEONE outside of Boruto do something other than get folded like a lawn chair.
*Edit: My hope is that they’re setting up Boruto to be overwhelmed by the responsibility of everything. He has be in constant surveillance of Konoha, literally had to be in 2 places at, and the whole world is against him (I think? Because no one outside of Konoha has even breathed lmao). Him battling the weight of this burden would be great, but it’d be a Berserk manga at that point.
LET HIMAWARI AND SARADA FIGHT OMG 😭😭
Kurama‘s statement is Boruto in a nutshell, isn’t it?
Perfect tagline, yes.
I dont think these villains are gonna be too interesting for final series villains they are kinda bland and generic. it just seems like boruto doesn't know what its doing with all its pieces. Tbh at this point even zetsu and Kaguya are more compelling story wise.
why does boruto even run from cringawaki when boruto low diffs everyone crigawaki struggles with
The more these chapters progress the more it feels like TBV is just cashing in on hype moments while they can make them without any logical story progression or reasoning behind those moments.
Himawari just creates Tailed Beast Bombs despite being the one of Naruto's children that never even used a Rasengan as a starting point.
Making even those like Sarada and Chocho fight (despite, sadly, their irrelevance compared to Boruto and Himawari), and yet no veterans AT ALL. I don't understand the point of even setting this battle in the village if the new gen Leaf genin are the only ones coming out the woodworks to fight.
Konohamaru L moments got incremented by 1 again 😭
Continually disconnected fight choreography, none of the fight scenes can breath with a few panels so every fight is just a single kick, punch, or slash.
Where is Shikamaru?? Dude's presence as a Hokage is worse than Hiruzen's smh
It felt like reading a fanfic of "Otsutsuki Boruto" (literally why is he even called that?). The worst part is all the questions left unanswered that, based on the manga's track record, will probably stay that way
Why does Kurama exist after Baryon Mode?
Why specifically does he exist in Himawari and not in the wild?
Why does Himawari have a greater affinity for Kurama despite never being his host? Naruto was also born of a Jinchuriki of Kurama but it was only the purposefully loosened 8 trigrams seal that allowed Naruto to adapt to Kurama's chakra.
Coming at the 1 year mark of TBV's initial release, this is getting dreary to read. It's just a Boruto power fantasy at this point with every other character (Sarada, Shikadai, Chocho, Inojin, Konohamaru, etc.) being the fodder to prop Boruto up.
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Okay, then. Boruto Otsutsuki, the son of Naruto Jinchuuriki, and brother of Himawari Jinchuuriki. That's the stupidest logic I've ever heard 🤦his biology became that of an Otsutsuki, he's not just randomly a clan member.
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Don't get me wrong, I do understand he is Otsutsuki by DNA, but in-verse any character calling him Boruto Otsutsuki serves no purpose but to try to build intrigue on the naming and makes no sense, particularly for the same reason you mentioned that Kawaki never went under this name either, whether he was facing an Otsutsuki or a member of Kara.
Also I do think this discussion is stretching out one of the smaller points I made of a larger problem where the Boruto manga is feeling somewhat stuck in time. It's setting up little plotpoints and intrigue of future fights but prolonging any actual story developments indefinitely.
Why is Boruto in the village?
Is his goal to fight Kawaki now or later?
He's hinted at a truth about the Shinju months ago and no new information has been given.
Considering this is a monthly manga and Boruto's visit to the Leaf Village started almost a year ago, it feels like a lot of the poor writing is just trying to rush developments that the authors foresaw will take impossibly long on a monthly publishing cadence (e.g. Kurama's return after one story arc without him, Himawari immediately having possession of Kurama somehow, and simultaneously having mastered how to use some of his powers with no drawbacks like a Tailed Beast Bomb).
And in the end of the day, if enough fans are fine waiting on this speed of storytelling, that is also fine. But, as someone that follows One Piece, MHA, JJK, and OPM alongside Boruto, even OPM with all its rewrites has more story velocity than Boruto, which I think a lot of the issues I discussed above are symptoms of.
The Himawari ones are easy to answer:
Setting aside the possibility of Kurama guiding her, while Himawari has never been shown to use Rasengan before she has proven in the past to understand theoretical application (knowing how to perform Shadow Clones despite having never done it nor needing to) and in general has really good chakra control. It can really be as simply as her having seen Rasengan before which she has with Naruto vs Delta and practicing it offscreen.
Why does Kurama exist after Baryon Mode?
Baryon Mode burns away all the chakra in the main Beasts body and doesn't count outside pieces that got separated. Since Kurama believed all his chakra had been gathered inside Naruto, he genuinely thought using it would be the end for him. The fact he knew about Baryon Mode suggests he or at least another Tailed Beast has done it before and came back from it perfectly fine later.
Why specifically does he exist in Himawari and not in the wild?
We don't know if any pieces of his chakra exist in the wild but we know that they exist in Boruto and Himawari because they're the children of a Jinchuriki. Tailed Beast chakra has been passed down like this before as we saw with Naruto (he was born with 3 whisker markings prior to getting Kurama). As for why Kurama didn't reform inside of Boruto instead, could either be that the Otsutsuki-fication process destroyed it or he simply got unlucky since the reformation process only occurs in one fragment at random.
Why does Himawari have a greater affinity for Kurama despite never being his host?
Himawari has 2 directly previous Nine Tails Jinchuriki in her bloodline and Kurama literally reformed inside her (the chakra fragment adapting with hers ever since she was conceived) rather than receiving him through a sealing jutsu. Why wouldn't she be?
Sarada has been saved like 4 times in a few chapters, it's hilarious.
What a shitshow of a story
Only read the first chapter after the time skip. Instantly knew this series is gonna turn from worse to worsest.
I like how Himawari is basically what Kushina could’ve been if she and Kurama worked together
Like not I’m convinced the only reason she has long hair was to simulate the nine tails look and do tailed beast bombs lol. I dig it, more similar to baryon mode than Kurama chakra mode. Which I prefer
Nice to see Konohamaru show off something new and at least successfully block an attack. I also like that Hidari can’t use the chidori perfectly cause he doesn’t have a sharingan lol
Last note: still waiting on an explanation on why Sarada and Sumire are immune to the rewriting. Seems like Sumire sensed something from Hidari that tipped her off to Sarada being his target. Gah I gotta know what’s going on there
Last note: still waiting on an explanation on why Sarada and Sumire are immune to the rewriting. Seems like Sumire sensed something from Hidari that tipped her off to Sarada being his target. Gah I gotta know what’s going on there
I wonder how stupid the explanation will be.
i bet the explanation would be like they already like Boruto and since he is an otsutsuki, Eida power is useless to them
I expected something logical, like Eida wanting them to be immune, but the way this Manga is written will be something like you wrote, simply simping for The Greatest MC™
Eida has always been a simp not a surprise and all she said was that he was cool and blushed and suddenly everyone is like yep she loves him
The tree people are more interesting than the otsuki but I wish they were all copies of important characters instead of random people
The reason hima is so naturally attuned with the 9 tails is because it wasn’t sealed in her, it’s literally been growing back inside of her. She and kurama are more together than naruto and kurama ever could be.
this himawari stuff is so sudden I am living tho
I liked everything I’ve seen in tbv so far but my biggest critique is the lack of side charcters where og konoha 11 , metal , kakashi the cast feels so small I’ve said it time and time again boruto does not work on a monthly schedule for these reasons either the pacing is going to feel to slow or too fast . There so much lore and depth to charcters that need to be fleshed out where monthly dosent work for this type of series . Prime exsample code invaded konoha they don’t show none of the other side cast not evacuating civilans fighting off claw grimes nothing I’m not asking for a chapter even a couple of panels is more then enough. I know theyll fix that in the anime adding scenes but how do you expect manga sales to ever be good when thats a glaring issue .
At this point it's lazy writing that disrespects the original series. I really enjoyed when they got off screened by Isshiki in the anime.
What Iritates me the most I know why kishimoto Dident want to do weekly it took a toll drawing but why can’t we get bi monthly hire more artist to help ikemoto I genuially don’t understand this shit bra . For a new mangaka with no funds I understand they have to get it out the mud and won’t have the resource to get assistance etc . But for a multi million dollar owner and a billon dollar brand can’t get get even 10 more artist makes no sense . I heard a usuals manga has 8-10 assistants boruto has 3 what’s stopping them from getting 15 more .
Like even with togashi HxH yuyu hakesho creator he’s been in pain for years that why they been on hiatus and both unfinished why not have people who are qualified to draw do all the heavy lifting like thier logic makes no sense to me it’s outdated . We live in era people would even do it for free as an internship just to have on thier resume or purely fans of franchise . I understand if this was beserk or one punch and the art was good he Dident want it to fall off because it’s damn near impossible to replicate but that isn’t the case .
I started playing the Storm Connection game. Same game as the others but it feels more fluid.
But all the Boruto Characters look so weird and have weird as hell color palettes. They have like two or three colors to them, and very simple designs to them.
Konohamru took a W since he actually reacted to Hidari teleport chidori attack, and protected himself with a new rasengan wind barrier. I consider that a W since he would’ve had a doughnut through his chest from that chidori. Sarada getting folded makes sense to me because Hidari explained it’s hard to use chidori, because he has the tunnel vision problems just like Kakashi did before obito gave him his eye.
Sarada exploiting that weakness while using her sharigan to counter attack, seems like it’s a plot point kishimoto is setting up to make Hidari want to steal her eyes to perfect chidori. I kinda wish kawaki saved Hima instead of them flexing Boruto speed, but i think Kawaki is probably gonna fight Jura again. If he uses his V2 state with his horn, he probably puts up a better fight with delta helping shooting her light beams that counter juubi healing abilities.
Well Naruto Little Girl takes the stage here
Himawari taking the female lead role quite nicely. Sarada becoming useless. Boruto soloing. Boruto fans must be getting fat. They eating buffets. Other characters fans are starving. Atleast hima showed some fight
Guys I have a theory, what if half of the nine tails is in Boruto as he is also Narutos kid so both kids have one half of Kurama. And the nine tails has been split before . What if the nine tails awakens within Boruto too
Himawari did well and still has lots of room to grow.
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