Agree
Minato didn't mean it as if he was strong. He just meant he had the will and the character to be hokage
This fandom is weird on how they understand characters statements
And yeah 1 Tomoe sharingan would be destroyed by Neji
I don't understand why people as these questions lol
Sasuke could barely catch up with lee based speed lmao
Wait... Wait, are you looking at the image? Maybe it was a mistake but why twice? Obito and Sasuke both have 2 Tomoe at that stage.
2 tomoe or 1 tomoe Obito still get clapped by Neji lol
There is no 1 Tomoe Obito
True, I didn't look properly, my bad
But still
The sasuke in that picture is as fast as weightless Lee blud. Read Volume 13 again
Especially when him and kakashi do that special training for chidori
Exactly
Even being with oruchimaru he boosted his sharingan abilities shi he popped up behind naruto in an instant he ain’t even know what to do with himself 😭
So what ? This is 1 tomoe obito, he ain't the sasuke trained by Kakashi
My opinion is that Neji was stronger than Sasuke at this point.
He just faced kyubi, that's why he lost. Neji's defense is better than Gaara's
But the kid had to face kyubi
Are u blind? You can see 2 tomoe there. And with that he killed an iwa jonin.
He and kakashi (with his new blind spot) had a similar performance against another iwa jonin
If neji being stronger than sasuke is ur opnion thats fine but i only stated Sasukes’s speed. Read volume 13 of the manga again
However neji’s defense is worse than Gaaras. Kidomaru almost killed Neji despite him having rotation on
Neji defense is superior
Kid obito is not as fast as kid lee and kid sasuke
Kidomaru’s arrows got through his blind spot.
His shield is perfect.
The blindspot just make it hard for him to see the attack coming.
The shield does not have a blindspot, the byakugan does
Hence its not a perfect defense. Gaara’s sand has no blind spot and in universe is called “the ultimate defense” until Susanoo is introduced
Bro a defense doesn't have a blind spot.
Omg. Blindspot is about perception
Weak points is maybe what you are looking for. There is no weak point to his defense regardless if someone attack or not his blindspot
Kidomaru hit him because he was using the 128 palms to kill the spiders
And when Neji rotates his blind spot is fixed. But his shield is a perfect defense like susano. Susano is just bigger and doesn't require movements
See this is what I don't understand about the Fandom. It can be stated in a book of some kind, in the show or even from Kishi himself in an interview and people disregard it lol
I think the main issue comes from inconsistencies. The data books will say one thing but then we see something happen in the manga that completely contradicts the statement from the data book or things like Kishi himself saying Naruto and Sasuke are supposed to be equals and people taking that as their definitive proof of Naruto and Sasuke being evenly matched in their final fight but then we have Sasuke himself admitting Naruto was holding back most of the fight and having to juice up his Susanoo up just to match what Naruto can do
this. arguably naruto surpassed sasuke all the way back during the chunin exam arc and any win sasuke has had is because at the end of the day Naruto doesnt want to injure sasuke. At the end of the day, to keep par sasuke had to rely on techniques to even approach naruto's raw strength.
To me it’s like Vegeta and Goku; any time Vegeta pulls ahead of Goku it’s only a short period of time before it flips back. Vegeta is always trying to catch up to Goku, and they appear to be equals Vegeta soon falls behind again or finds out Goku had more in the tank.
I mean... Naruto did say he would break every bone in his body and drag him back to the village. Sure it's just talk but it's not like they held back during their fights
In the final fight of Shippuden Naruto has Sasuke pinned and could finish him but hesitates and that's when Sasuke uses the lightning dragon. Naruto has gone easy or been weakened before at least their 2 biggest fights. I do think Sasuke would probably still win the first one but no way he would win the final fight if Naruto was going for the kill.
Naruto has Sasuke pinned and could finish him but hesitates
How do people in this fandom forget that Sasuke has the Rinnegan?
Sasuke could easily teleport out of the way (like he did), swapped with Naruto or simply absorb the attack (the only thing that works on a mastered Rinnegan user is taijutsu / hand to hand)....
Also that scene is filler.
He could've but didn't, and most of that fight wasn't taijustu or hand to hand till the end.
And it's a canon episode so whatever happens is canon to the anime.
They're close in power but at the end of Shippuden Naruto is definitely stronger.
That's anime only. Which furthers the other guy's point about inconstancies.
You know without plot armour Sasuke would've won 9 out of 10 in the final Final Valley, right? He barely used the Rinnegan, and poorly, no Infernal Style on Naruto, when he got him from the back in a blindspot he just Chidori'd him, with no Amaterasu, no Human path, no Naraka, no Ashura laser and meat grinder etc. -60 IQ points put 90% of chakra on Indra's Arrow.
They're kishi's characters though and he chose for them to fight like that for a reason whether we agree or not.
Yes, plot trumps rules. There's a syntagm for that if you didn't know.
He used inferno style lol. Naruto's SO6P chakra cloak is just immune to it.
The manga did rush the fight but in the anime he did use all these abilities and it didn't change anything.
"Barely used rinnegan" because it makes no sense for him to have rinnegan for a few hours and completely master it when it took madara and pain decades to master it's abilities - Sasuke could absorb raw chakra but couldn't absorb ninjutsu.
And he even did use Deva Path's ability and inferno style in a combo, he used the teleportation several times,which are the most useful abilities. What other ability would actually be effective on Naruto? Im genuinely curious how him using rinnegan summoning jutsu would change the outcome of the fight,they only really work on fodders.
Naruto can easily counter most rinnegan abilities,the only ones which can actually give him trouble were the gravity/push pull and the teleportation jutsu-which were used in the fight.
And by the way,it's not Naruto reached his full potential either,he didn't get Kushina's sealing chains despite being an uzumaki,like even Karin awakened them without any training in the middle of the war arc,
Naruto also never used Frog Kata,a sage mode taijutsu technique that not even a rinnegan user can predict and can't be countered unless the enemy has sage mode themselves.
He could have fought and occupied Sasuke himself while creating a few clones to free the tailed beasts and give them chakra to snap them out of genjutsu -and have them help in the fight.
Naruto was also nerfed in both battle iq and abilities,he could have easily won by just freeing the tailed beasts which he never even tried to do.
He also got trapped in a prison that absorbed his chakra before running an entire day and fighting like a couple other people.
Yup. To spell it out, he fought against Jirobou, Kidomarou and Kimimaro and literally raced all the way to the border of the fire nation without any meaningful breaks
Crazy
Power and skill aren'y synonymous.
Naruto didn't mind beating sasuke into a pulp during their first fight and I mean...sasuke had the chance to kill him but didn't at the end.
And in the beginning of shipuuden Sasuke fondled the entire team. He absolutely surpassed Naruto back then.
Naruto's whole thing is basically just throwin out chakra dense moves so obviously someone who doesn't have a bijuu needs to use techniques to keep up. But that doesn't negate the fact that at several points in the series ESPECIALLY after sasuke absorbed Orochimaru, Sasuke surpassed Naruto until he basically learned sage mode
MS beats Sage. Even Hebi does lol.
"Ill break all the bones in your body and drag you back"
Disagree, naruto could care less about injuring him anything that could put sasuke down but not kill him was fair game paralyzing him for life included
Yea he wasn’t matching Naruto with the tailed beast he was bullying him.
Sasuke would have won the fight right there, if he didn't decide to use Inda's arrow when he was already winning
By getting atomized by Naruto's attack, which he needed not only his own strength, but the chakra of 8.5 tb to just match? Sure.
I mean he could’ve switched with it and saved chakra but hey he made his choices and lived with the outcome.
Naruto only had that because Sasuke was charging up Indra's arrow instead of obliterating the 3 remaining clones.
If Sasuke took out Naruto right then, Naruto would have no way to use the Asura avatar and would have lost
Sasuke went all out and did everything he could to kill Naruto. He would've made the same calls if I ran the battle 10 more times. He considered using Indra's arrow as the best move.
And "taking out Naruto" is easier said than done.
Edit: Also, Naruto already had a clone absorbing Natural Energy before Sasuke even used Indra's Arrow. If he decided not to, he's getting hit with Naruto's attack with no way to match it.
Sasuke had MANY ways to win the fight. Only reason he didn't was because of plot.
If Sasuke did not use Indra's arrow he would have destroyed the 3 remaining Kurama's and all of the Nature energy would be useless.
Without the 3 Kurama clones merged, Asura mode would never happen.
Naruto would 100% die right there and then if Sasuke didn't use Indra's arrow
edit: Blocking me doesn't change the fact that I'm right
Naruto had MANY ways to win the fight. Only reason he didn't was because of plot.
He literally says that Naruto is holding back upto that point. After that they're basically even throughout from that point on.
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me cause I’m lowkey confused🫡
He wasn't "bullying him", the fight wasn't one sided at any point.
When Sasuke had the tailed beast chakra and naruto didn’t have his extra nature chakra it was one sided in Sasuke’s favor.
Sure I guess, even then it didn't accomplish anything, and it lasted 2 panels.
Made Naruto feel the need to gather way more nature energy, wasn’t anything big or nothing but still pretty neat.
That's not even true. Reread the manga.
Naruto was losing when he was holding back, and Sasuke had the clear advantage when he absorbed the tailed beast chakra.
Naruto was the one who had to try to match Sasuke, not the other way around
The guy who has 8.5 tailed beasts in his possession, something he would never have under normal circumstances, has an advantage in the fight? No way dude!
The other guy said Sasuke absorbed all that to match Naruto, which is factually wrong.
I simply corrected that.
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If Naruto kept holding back and stayed on the defensive he would eventually die
He had to stop holding back if he wanted to survive which is why they drew. If Naruto kept holding back he would be dead.
Except that's exactly what happened. Naruto could have busted out that power whenever he wanted but he only did it because Sasuke amped himself up and Naruto actually had to use his full power to not die
Except Naruto was never losing and Sasuke never had the advantage. It is factually correct that Sasuke even after absorbing all that power still struggled and did not surpass Naruto. It is only because Naruto held back and did not want to kill Sasuke that Sasuke got as far as he did.
He could just absorb Naruto's own chakra in that case but then he wouldn't be able to have a fight against him because it would leave Naruto juiceless
He did absorb Naruto's chakra when he could. It's not something he can do from a range.
Hyperbole is a thing. Also a “book of some kind” doesn’t really mean anything, considering things like data books aren’t even written by authors
I'm pretty sure they label/credit Kishi as the author on the cover
They usually get credit or have their name on anything related to the series, oda is on the cover of OP data books, but he also didn’t write them. Authors don’t really write data books, they’re outsourced/given to staff members and mostly fanfare and always come with contradictories and inaccuracies
He actually shouts out the other writers https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/KXkDRf4QiP
Worthy of being Hokage is not a matter of power. It is a matter of will and character
The same type of brain rot that makes Kid Itachi “hokage level” 😭.
Isn't the statement made about Obito's sacrifice and his will of fire? Or am I misremembering something?
When did he say that?
He doesn’t get past round 1
Loses to Neji
That just shows how dirty they did my boy Neji in Shippuuden
Obito obliterated Neji in a fight
Lmao as an adult
Nah Obito solos
Damn right he soloing himself into the cemetery
Not chunin obito but don't worry he get's to make up for it in the 4th shinobi war arc
Obito soloed the Leaf at 14.
He doesn’t get past neji but let’s say hypothetically he do he’s getting stopped by Lee no debate
He doesn't get past anyone.
he beats Sasuke and Lee easily and maybe even Neji
You realize this is 2 tomoe Obito right?
yeah, two tomoe is haxxed
Sure, he beats Madara too🤣
Not here.
How can he beat Sasuke? They both have 2 tomoe Sharingans, but Sasuke has way more experience with it than Obito, since he awakened it much earlier. + Sasuke has Chidori which is an Op jutsu at Chunin level.
He MAY be able to beat Lee but certainly not easily, it would be a veeery close match. I would argue it would go to Lee's favour like 8 times out of 10.
As for Neji, Gaara and Kakashi, they just stomp.
I don't think he's laying a finger on Lee, Lee kicked the stuffing out of 2 tomoe sasuke before sasuke got the chidori and speed buffs from kakashi training. kid obito is even less skilled than that early version of sasuke. Lee will destroy him surely
This obito is way faster than lee
Okay, I’ll bite the obvious bait. How?
Base Lee, maybe, but once Lee starts opening the 8 gates Obito's teeth will be in the back of his head.
Obito can see the chakra build up in his body, if he has half a brain he won’t pull a vegeta
Chunin Obito wasn't the epitome of intelligence, and even then, I doubt that he'd had an idea about what's going on and rushing a guy that's building up energy like crazy seems counterintuitive.
facts 🤣
Sasuke infinite plot armor no jutsu ain't gonna work against his cousin that is why 🤣
There is objectively not a single aspect in which chunin Obito is stronger than chunin exam Sasuke and plot armour has nothing to do with it lol
It’s clearly written chunin obito and pretty sure he had 2 Tomoe
Lee could've been beating chunin already with the kinda speed he was showing. Even Kakashi couldn't believe it because the shit he was doing was stuff even Jonin can't do. Even Kakashi could only open like one gate. Lee probably could have beat anyone in the chunin exams that wasn't Gaara.
damn, what's with all these downvotes? 🤣
Neji low diffs this version of Obito in the first round
He dies in the first round.
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i think it should be kimimaro for round 4.
Feels like the right progression and both lee and gaara were losing to him.
Kimimaro scales over everybody on the list
I'm not sure which jonin kakashi we are talking about though. Part 1/ Shippuden kakashi is a jonin
probably the one in the picture?
Lee wasn’t in perfect form and couldn’t use the gates. He was robbed. Gaara was in full health.
He defeated base CE gaara?
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Base Lee speed + sharingan precognition + taijutsu skillset (displayed in his fight with orochimaru plus copyine some lee moves) + chidori. He has the most feats in the picture.
Fax
Obito really doesn't have anything to scale with unless: 1. You go with Madara's theory that Obito can somehow phase through things even without MS, which was how he survived the boulders falling on him. In which case, he would be pretty busted with that alone, since Kamui is a passive ability that's independent from reaction speed in most cases
- You can argue that he's jonin to low kage level since he was able to save Kakashi and fight as equals for a certain amount of time. But again, that's a little iffy with no actual feats.
Now if we're using MS kid Obito...then he solos everyone here lol
I'm sure you COULD argue he's low kage level. You'd be completely wrong tho. 😁 Taiseki, the camouflage ninja, might be the only plot relevant character to ever die from a kunai. Especially one that wasn't even thrown. Jonin is pushing it as well. If 2 tomoe sharingan made you auto jonin level... Insert black zetsus the sharingan is just a tool speech
No he was jonin lvl
I'll concede, special jonin level 🤣
Neji takes him
Obito before he 'dies' was hella weak, no way he gets past neiji unless he gets some bs sharigan power
he gets stopped at neji
Obito gets crushed by all of them
Neji stomps
Doesn’t get past Neji, but even if he managed to scrape by, Lee hospitalizes him for a long while. 2 tomoe Sasuke couldn’t keep up with 0 gates Lee, so even the first gate would be enough. He’d never be able to touch Gaara. Chidori Sasuke is at least just below 0 gates Lee in terms of speed, since he needed to be for the Chidori, so he loses to Sasuke fairly handily, especially if the Chidori comes out. And Kakashi also beats him pretty easily, he wasn’t a Jonin at such a young age for no reason. The chidori should be enough for Kakashi, as well.
He doesn't start.
He starts and ends at Neji
O.p must really hate Obito
Loses round 1 without a doubt. Also I think gaara should be above sasuke, since sasuke couldn't do nothing once he fully transformed
That is the base version of Gaara, whose Sasuke is stronger, you said it correctly, Gaara only gets the upper hand if he transforms!
everyone beats him
realistically, chunin obito is just a worse version of chunin exam sasuke, who i think would lose to neji anyway
Ironically he isn’t
Neji curb stomps him
Not sure why it's implied that Neji is the weakest opponent here, but Obito loses Round 1. He is not weak by any means, but Neji is already above Chunin Level at that point (in terms of fighting capabilities) and mops the floor with him.
Neji's combat speed is so fast that lee thought he needed multiple gates to beat him. The same speed that shocked leaf jounin and let him bypass gaara's sand shield that was invunerable to sand jounin assassins wasnt enough. Neji was able to disable hinata's pathways without her being able to see him do it, even with her byakugan active. One of neji's sparring partners is a weapon mistress too, so he is probably familiar with fighting against most weapons.
Atleast with the sharingan slowmo, obito will manage to see the hits that disable him. He doesnt have an answer for rotation, cant disable neji from range, and loses in taijutsu in seconds if neji decides to go for a lethal blow to the heart asap.
2 tomoe Obito are just mediocre Uchiha bruh. he didn't get op until he received Hashirama cells and awaken his MS. he won't get past Neji
Unless you wanna take Minato's glazing statement of saying he's worthy of being hokage, he loses round one
Worthy of being hokage doesn’t mean strong enough to be hokage.
Agree
Ngl, the only person on this list he even stands a remote chance to is Kakashi as a Jonin.
Neji stops him Round 1, R2 is just a clean sweep for Rock Lee, Gaara is without a question winning, Sasuke has better structure as a fighter and would be able to defeat Obito, and Kakashi....well we wins in the end but there is a fight.
In order of strongest here:
Gaara/Neji>Lee>Kakash/Sasuke>Obito
5 Gates Lee > Neji
I doubt Lee can open 5 gates at that age.
Dude he was opening 5 gates in the chunin exams
Did you watch the show dawg?
I don't agree
r1
He has no counter to Neji and even if, Lee could outspeed him easily.
Considering he killed a jonin level ninja, he loses to neji
Easy : obito lose to gai ( no gate opened ) at this age but he didn't had sharingan : rock lee is stronger than gai at the same age but is probably trained against sharingan , and everyone else is stronger than CE rock lee ( or very close to his level and not counting fifth gate which is suicide ). So everyone win against obito. even if we think neji/sasuke lose to CE rock lee, they are still stronger than obito as they are more trained and better user of their eyes and both also know how to fight sharingan user (also 2 tomoe sharingan isn't that dangerous to " train against it"... )
Obito was a chunin at 11 this isn’t the same age he lose to gai that version of Obito is weaker, 2t Obito was relative to jonin kakashi in skill & speed I don’t see the others touching him
This obito isn't even winning against neji though
He stops round one simple as that, Obito had nowhere near enough experience especially with using a Sharingan to overcome Neji.
No Naruto ?
He’s trash as a kid. He gets one shot by Neji
....... soooo, how am I gonna say this without butchring him? Kakashi was stated to be jonin level already and the reason he lost his eye was cause he was protecting obito, obito with 2 tomoe sharingan is chunin at best but must have incredible synchronisation with kakashi. So he lost against him.
He would have a better chance against sasuke, but remember sasuke is a genius and their raw potential proves by itself that sasuke would win.
Gaara.... the most of the 1 tail...... do i need to say more?
Neji is a genius of the clan and the one with the best potential, obito main combat style is taijutsu and I feel very, very, very confident that in pure taijutsu skill neji takes the cake, even lee was losing against him in training (may be filler idk but for sure his taijutsu is no joke).
Lee beats the living heck out of gaara, do i need to say more?
The strongest character I can maybe see kid Obito beating is forest of death Sasuke, which is probably peak genin level. Part 1 exams were really stacked, Neji, Lee, finals Sasuke, Sand siblings and even others are all definitely chunin level or even chunin+.
It has been implied that war times can make promotions happen faster (to increase the numbers) so I don't think Obito being a chunin is any indicative that he is tanking these characters, and in flashbacks he didn't show any impressive taijutsu/ninjutsu to compete with stuff like chidori, inner gates, shukaku etc.
R1 against Neji is just unfair lol
Neji and Lee should be 4 and 5, gaara could replace either of them and at least 3 , all kakashi had at that point is shidori and rasengan if you want to count it and he couldn't use shidori well due to tunnel vision, Sasuke was only base weightless lee level with two shots at shidori, obito doesn't take anyone on this list but put a good fight against kakashi and base weights on lee
He loses to Neji with ease. He wasn't that great as a kid. He was Naruto without Kurama and Uzumaki chakra.
Neji uses rotation and flings dirt into obitos eyes and then he cries
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Loses to Neji, but if he just skips to Sasuke maybe he could win? The two should be mostly even, Sasuke has a speed Advantage but lacks Stamina. If the fight drags on and the curse mark cripples him then Obito could win. Everybody else just folds him.
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Sasuke isn’t faster or more skilled at that point
Definitely loses at R1. People downplay Neji a lot but the problem with scaling him is that he played with his food way too much. people also forget Guy taught lee the hidden lotus combo specifically to fight him meaning he knew gates 1-3 weren't enough, the primary lotus, and anything outside of that specific combo were likely not enough to take him down.
He’s getting jumped 💀
He might beat neji. Maybe.
He would lose to all of them imo
Obito getting sent to the upper room by two different Rocks is crazy, but poetic.
we've seen nothing worth mentioning other than tomoe sharingan … he's like pre multi shadow clone Naruto that bad
Can barely say he has a chance against kakashi
What’s R?
The first 4 are chunin level just like him so i can see him getting past 4 and also see him losing to them. He did kill an iwagakure jonin once he got the sharingan tho
I think a better question is how far does this Kakashi get if Obito got moved to Round 1, and the rest get bumped up a position.
Maybe move Lee to Round 4. IDK.
He bodies neji cause it’s funny. He then proceeds to die to Lee by getting his heart kicked out of his chest
I thought CE stood for Curse energy for a sec 💀
He would literally die to any of these guys
I think if he had to fight them all back to back no tike to rest or heal he will not make it past 3rd round
R3
if neji doesnt beat him here he will lose on round 2
Loses R1, somehow he makes it past that loses to r2, somehow if he makes past that loses to r3, somehow he makes it past that loses to r4, somehow he makes it past that loses to r5
Not far. I don't think the one person there that he can beat. Obito before Madara is fodder in comparison to the people he'd be running a gauntlet with.
Good picture, wonder who made it 🤓
Let's be real chunnin obito would lose to a rock. Everyone on this list would destroy said rock
He dosent make it pass neji lol and why is sauske above garra if we’re talking about chunin exam they need to be swapped .
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Winning is a stretch he got through the sand with chidori and grazed garra it wasEnt a critical hit . The reason they made such a big emphasis because garra never bled before that showing what sauske did was impressive . With that being said if we follow pt 1 powerscaling sauske at most had 2 chidori he could preform then he would be fully depleted . I highly doubt he beats him even without shukaku because the surprise factor no longer there .
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It’s not that he knew he had to transform they Litteraly had orders to be a distraction aka konoha crush . The big promblem on what your saying your complety forgetting the climax of the arc completely disregarding konoha crush and boxing this in to a simple battle shounen fight with no context . Litteraly any other fight in the chunin exam I woulda agree with you aside this one fight. They built sauske because they knew they were going to tear him down to show how impressive naruto was later that arc . Also to show the sharigan lore . Nothing sauske did were critical hits that goes for both parties .
Honestly loses to all except Sasuke
Y’all are all on absolute crack.
Gaara and Kakashi are the only correct answers here. Gaara stomps all of them, easily with the exemption of maybe kakashi, HARD MAYBE. Gaara was a tailed beast at this time…. And none of them could handle that at this point in their lives.
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Yes which is why im confused as to how sasuke is rd4 when gara is rd3…. Gaara should easily be 4/5th round… cause he fucking claps all of em, haha
Edit; and to answer the OG question, he doesnt get past Lee.
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But the silly part is sasuke loses to that gaara…. The only one that stands a chance against that gaara is kakashi, and he still loses…
he beats the shit out of Neji, Lee, and Sasuke but would miserably lose to Kakashi and Gaara
I think he makes it to Kakashi.
He’s going all of them
you sure bout that??
I’m confident
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Unless you wanna take Minato's glazing statement of saying he's worthy of being hokage, he loses round one