The circus show has begun!
It does happen, and quite often with less prominent figures. I can recall several deaths of smaller politicianas
Plus the helicopter was an American built Bell 212 and I'm guessing that means it predates Iran's 1979 revolution, so it was perhaps 45-50 years old at least. From what I've heard they have to cannibalize parts to keep their American made jets flying for their air force, the helicopters might not be much better.
I'd believe it was American intervention if it was a Boeing aircraft, lol.
But seriously, old HELICOPTER + fog + mountains.
It's not like it was a plane on a sunny day.
He got Kobe'd
Too soon?
Musicians as well. Helicopters are risky.
Who assassinated Stevie Ray Vaughan?
Had to be that pesky Albert King guy…
Kobe has entered the chat.
Kobe the rapist who insisted the helicopter fly even though the pilot didn't want to....that guy?
So are buses.
It should have been Lars.
Should have been lars!
I can recall several deaths of smaller politicianas
Which is more impressive, given the smaller targets.
Just think how many more smaller politicians you can fit in one defective helicopter though.
Would you rather assassinate one giant politician traveling in fifty helicopters, or fifty smaller politicians in one helicopter?
Are you familiar with the interpretation of the one giant kaiju frog plague of Egypt instead of a plague of frogs?
Haha, yes.
It's not a story the Jedi would tell you
Angry upvote
Kobe Bryant comes to mind
There was a Mexican official, and major UN official and quite a few more, not to mention full on sports teams in multiple crashes.
I mean, the Australian PM went for a swim and was never seen or heard from again.
Which is why we named a pool after him.
Fuck yes!
His name was Olympic?
Close smaller cousin Kiddy
Don't forget their Uncle Car and their crazy cousin Betting.
Kobe passed because of a foggy helicopter ride too
I don’t think it was the ride, I’m pretty sure the sudden stop.
you are technically correct, the best kind of correct
In the wise words of Jeremy clarkson “speed never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary, that’s what gets you”
What we need is statistics on excess major polical figures deaths in small private aircrafts over sports/music figures deaths in small private aircrafts.
And of course statistics on those who 'choked on vomit'.
1994 Ruandese president Habyarimana's plane is shot down (also killing the Burundi's president Ntaryamira), giving the pretexte to start the genocide of Tutsis and moderate Hutus. The FPR (Patriotuc Ruandese Front) then the French were accused of the shooting.
Édit: French autocorrect
Atleast that one was actually shot down
Ironically, it was shot down into his own house
Honestly, I’m surprised India wasn’t on the list for the Pakistan crash lmao
Not a politician, but notably legendary basketball player Kobe Bryant’s private helicopter crashed due to low visibility in thick fog.
The first one is a particularly apt comparison. Obviously it’s too early to know exactly what happened but they almost certainly shouldn’t have been flying in those conditions. A military pilot is going to feel pressure when on a prestigious assignment flying the President to get them where they need to go and may ignore any doubts about whether they should abort or divert. You don’t want to take the President to an alternate destination and disrupt their schedule and in this case there were multiple helicopters so that’s going to add pressure because you don’t want to be the one to raise an objection if the other pilots aren’t.
Wonder if there is come kind of computer virus that attacks machines that utilize rotation to achieve their function.
You forget the most important one...
Kobe Bryant. 2020
I would add Prigozhin (if he was on it)
The Presidents of Rwanda and Burundi in a plane shot down. (Supposedly CIA).
Starting the genocide.
Kobe
Helicopters are a death trap to begin with. This was an antique in severe need of repairs.
It does happen. So does Israel assassinating people.
The selection of the next supreme leader is an opaque process of political rivalries and jockeying. Under the Constitution, an elected body of clerics called the Assembly of Experts picks the supreme leader.
Mr. Raisi was viewed as one of the top contenders for that role and was favored by the hard-line faction, as was Ayatollah Khamenei’s son Mojtaba, an influential cleric who helps run his father’s office. Mr. Raisi’s death essentially paves the path for the younger Mr. Khamenei to succeed his father.
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this isn't suspicious at all. helicopters crash and highly influential and dangerous people get lucky all the time.
I mean, it was an out of date aircraft, with parts they don’t even make anymore; flying in heavy fog. I’m not saying it definitely wasn’t an assassination, fuck do I know? But it’s hardly unbelievable to think it was genuinely an accident.
I just wanted to make a pun
What is the pun? I missed it.
I mean. If it’s a political assassination, I would suspect someone to be caught soon for tampering with the helicopter.
You don’t “kill” the supreme leader’s president's helicopter over a mountain without leaving evidence of a crime.
But even Iran is framing it like an accident and misfortune. So yeah. Probably just shit ass luck in an old ass helicopter.
The guy killed was Irans president, not the ayatollah.
Right, yes. Thank you.
Same thinking applies tho. Movies have conditioned us to believe that assassinations don't leave evidence...when in reality it looks clunky, like when Putin used goons to trick Nalvany into wearing irradiated underwear...but just utterly fumbling the job and making them selves highly visible.
Or the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi - where immediately it was known the death was political.
The fact it was so abrupt, and so clearly equipment + conditions makes it pretty clear nothing sneaky was happening.
here i was jumping to conclusion's that they'd blame the bad news on the hebrews. My bad.
Let's all pray it isn't.
Netanyahu would have done it in a heartbeat given the opportunity though.
This isn’t just Iran. Back in the sixties, the Australian PM just walked into the ocean one day and was never seen again.
Everybody knows he was picked up by a submarine and taken to the secret underwater lair.
The secret underwater emu lair is not to be discussed with outsiders.
Such a great tale of Aussie stupidity, an unwell man attempting to dive solo in dangerous waters. If he wasn't the PM he'd just be regarded as an idiot.
Yeah but it's Australia in sure some monstrosity got him
He likely got a cramp and drowned.
In fact, an air crash helped launch Harold Holt into the PM seat.
He had a heavy landing which caused long sleep.
Aggressive unscheduled landing. And we found him! He’s right here. And over there. And…
Raisi was among those considered to be next in line as Ayatollah after Khamenei dies, along with Khamenei’s son. Khamenei has spent the past several decades eliminating political rivals through various means, honestly wouldn’t be shocked if it was an inside job. I mean that copter was with two other copters; if the other two lost contact with the one carrying the president and foreign minister, why the fuck would they leave the area?!?
Heavy fog. Have you people never been in fog? You can't see shit in it and you most definitely can't find shit in it.
They found Kobe
A crash occuring in the Iranian wilderness/ mountains is quite different to a crash that occured 30 miles north of downtown Los Angeles. I didn't think it would be necessary to explain this, but here we are lol.
It was a dense fog but some fuckers will try to provoke by saying stupid things out of their assholes
I don’t have an asshole. Can I still say stupid things?
Absolutely! Don't let that get in your way. You don't have to have an asshole to say stupid things, but it's easier yet if you at least are an asshole.
Asshole is a state of mind, maaaaan.
In the beginning, at birth we all start as a literal asshole
Oh, yes. And I had one until I was 33 when I had it surgically removed because of Crohn’s disease
TIL assholes can be surgically removed, and there probably a lot of them walking among us
Many many are! I had mine removed, along with my entire rectum and colon due to Crohn’s disease. The surgery is called a total procto colectomy, or a “Barbie butt” bc they sew up your backside.
If you have any ?s feel free to ask.
Darn Israeli fog machines! /s
It was Zionist fog!
idiots on the internet will say stupid things all the time. last i checked nobody who actually matters thinks this is anything other than an accident
People simply don't realize just how disorienting flying in fog can be. You can be literally any orientation up to and including inverted and the outside looks the same. Plus the average speed of a helicopter cruising to its destination can come on terrain in fog way too fast to avoid.
I'm sure there are many countries who would have loved to make this happen, but then Nature steps in every once in a while and reminds us we are just tiny confused simple creatures in its deadly grasp.
Not to mention helicopters fly by Tilting them, and the differences in pressure on direction are more marked than in a plane. Add it's a super old helicopter, in the mountains, at night.
Imagine being the poor pilot in the position of trying to tell the number two and number four of his entire country that it's a Bad Idea to fly in that kind of weather. I imagine his dissent crashed harder than the actual helicopter(sorry, had a Hard Landing).
Yeah, the helicopter pilot who flew and crashed with Kobe and his daughter was under pressure to perform too. It's unfortunately a very common theme in aviation accidents.
A tale as old as the plane. Bad flying conditions, passengers get mad you aren't going, pilot flies despite objections to unsafe conditions....anddddd crash.
So Russia hasn’t been provoking WW3? Lols everyone loves to point fingers… throw the Spiderman meme here!
Remember the Maine!
People who keep screaming WW3 are alarmist idiots
What world War. Who would go to war on behalf of Iran? Their only TRUE allies are militants in Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria (last I checked they were all busy) the ruler of Syria (he's also busy, see news from last 12 years). And Bahrain
That's it. They do arms sales with Russia but ya know. Russia is also occupied at the moment and can't quite spare anything .
On top of that. Iran doesn't really have the projection to do anything to Israel beyond funding militants
Israel has basically passed off the entire west with its actions in Gaza so it too would mostly stand alone
We would see an escalation in proxy conflict and that's it
I mean, it's Iran. I'm sure they'll find a way to blame the fog itself on Israel.
The Mossad finally used their weather control machine that the Arab world has been telling us about. We should have listened.
Space lasersomg
And Twitter (and parts of Reddit) will believe them simply because they are against Israel lol
Yeah it’s not like they recently broke well established international law and blew up a consulate building or anything.
They attacked that building because it was housing a valid military target that played an important role in the Oct 7th attacks.
Also, Iran has bombed Israeli embassies before, and it has been funding terrorist proxies against Israel for a while, so they don't really have any grounds for wanting their sovereignty respected. I personally am ok with the Islamic Republic's sovereignty being violated because of that above and considering how many of their women's sovereignty they violate on a daily basis, and that their own people fucking hate them.
Technically only consulates in your own territory are protected. There's nothing saying you can't bomb an embassy in an enemy country (Israel and Syria are still technically at war).
Also the US killed a high ranking Iranian General not too long ago.
Which was also a violation. I fully support the international community finding ways to punish bad actors through targeted sanctions, travel bans, etc without resorting to bombing sovereign territory. These actions are what lay the groundwork for wild speculation and conspiracy theories.
Iran has shown extreme restraint even after Trump pulled out of the Nuclear deal. Israel escalating tensions is very dangerous for the world. They’re months away from achieving the needed enrichment for a bomb. The international community should be working all diplomatic channels to change course rather than forcing them further into the arms of Russia and China.
Meanwhile, the president is sitting on the side of a mountain somewhere, alive and well. “Golly gee, sure is taking a long time for the search party to get here. Any luck on that radio Ahmed?”
Me: At least they can't blame this on the US. Oh wait:
"On the cruel American sanctions, the United States is one of the main guilty ones in the catastrophe of yesterday's crash because, despite the decision of the International Court of Justice, it has sanctioned selling airplanes and aviation spare parts and doesn't allow Iranian people have access to good air transportation" .... "These will be recorded in the list of the U.S. crimes against Iranian people ..."
Well, add it to the list, I guess.
They can make drones, why can't they make helicopters? Of all the things to blame the US for, this isn't one. Maybe if they didn't shoot down their own airliners they'd have more spare parts.
I have a feeling Iran knows EXACTLY where they left their president.
I think it is very likely that they are going to blame the West for the boycots that stops them from repairing their helicopters. Nobody is making them use their broken helicopters, but they will blame the West all the same.
Iran is conducting an investigation huh?
You know I heard North Korea is also doing an internal audit for corruption...
I hear Pakistan is reviewing Women's Rights...
Someone told me that Russia is considering an inspection of their presidential election system...
Are we accusing countries of being able to manipulate the weather and to have sleeper agents ready to kamikaze themselves just to better hide the evidence? Like wtf are we talking about? I get that manipulating the weather is a jewish stereotype but come on this is life, not the premise of a fucking SNL skit xD
It just seems to me that if Mossad was behind this, they'd want Iran to know.
Just bad luck, man
Actually no, Mossad would rather have Iran tear itself apart guessing who was responsible. If Mossad outwardly said that yes we did it, Iran sends troops to Israel. Keep the identity of the saboteur secret and the ruling party succumbs to infighting
Mossad and the IDF use targeted political terror/assassinations as an open tool of policy. They are one of the few nations on the planet that make no secret of the fact. I am in the camp that they absolutely WOULD want Iran to know because the hardliners in their government and their evangelical backers in the US WANT that to kick off.
The Israelis because they can see growing animosity towards their apartheid regime abroad and a future where Iran get's ahold of nukes no matter WHAT they do to the nuclear program and the Evangelicals because it's all part of their doomsday prophecy.
The Hebrew nation were some of the first groups to even have an assassination organization, centuries before the ninja or the Arabic hashashin. They were called the "sicarii", and they killed Roman officials and citizens, and which is where the modern hispanic hitman term "sicario" comes from. Your downvotes are probably from mossad sympathizers and propagandists.
Do you have any other proof besides a wiki article that was edited within the last month?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sicarii
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/sicarii
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1202887
Heres just a few, there are many more sources if youd like
Thanks. People mess with Wiki a lot and type blatant lies at times so additional resources are necessary.
No problem, not a fan of the wiki myself but its just quickest sometimes. Id say enjoy your reading, but its not really an enjoyable read.
they'll never admit to their assassinations, but they'll leave clues so you know they did it, without being able to prove it. even israel's explicit acts of aggression are never admitted to (killing al-arouri, bombing the consulate in syria) but they'll make sure you know it was them.
this event, "done" like this, isn't going to cause panic. nobody suspects foul play so there's no infighting looking for the responsible actor. iran also has a strong system for presidential succession, with a clear interim replacement and elections to be held within two months, so no power vacuum to create chaos there.
iran also wouldn't send troops to israel. they'd send missiles and drones.
One evidence, please!
I don't think this is anything other than an accident, but it's not beyond the scope of reason to think it's sabotage or orchestrated by foreign powers, either.
Therefore, I dub this post "not murder".
They can find mountains though
There is a coalition of people who literally think everything functions normally at all times and if it doesn’t and something happens it’s because it’s a conspuracy.
They found him. There was a little president there, a little bit of president here. He was kinda everywhere. Hard to miss him
I'm not exactly pro-Israel at the moment, but it is quite telling that your first thought after hearing Iran's president is missing is "Israel did it."
Israel must have used their new Mountains and Fog weapon.
Three helicopters, remote mountainous region in the north by azurenegion or however it is spelled. One went down in not good weather conditions. This was fate
ouch!
Also, no one takes Iran seriously as a political player outside of financing terrorism.
Look, I would hope Israel wouldn’t be that stupid. My guess is that this is weather related/poor maintenance related. That doesn’t mean there aren’t factions within Iran and the world at large that won’t be opportunistic and try to pin this on Israel.
Look, I would hope Israel wouldn’t be that stupid.
Well, it would be stupid of them to outright take credit for it, not so much the assassinations.
Israel actually assassinates Iranian nuclear scientists and IRGC commanders rather regularly, and that stuff is pretty based.
“If…” Iran, like the GOP will make up evidence and double down on any lie.
I highly doubt it was Israel. There aren't countless civilians dead.
It was tha joos!! Claimed this guy with absolutely no evidence.
Can’t happen.
WW3 is already going on; it’s the war between the .1% and everyone else, and everyone else is losing simply because most don’t want to admit it’s going on.
Jerry Purp Shirt is like, "that's a fine caboose you got there, no disrespect."
They’ll “find evidence”
Dont stoke fear...
Helicopters crash a the time
Should be able to find proof Israel planted the fog
GYAT DAYAM SON
Somehow, I feel this makes it all the more worse.
Euro countries will not join a war for israel come on
Thick fog causing a crash is how we lost Kobe
War is money.
I fear if Khamenei orders reprisals against actual, suspected or imagined guilty parties
Probably the CIA honestly. Good move to get the military industrial complex moving more.
Time to invest.
Mamba has something to say about this.
I require more dewm and chaos.
If it was Israel they'd have used the Death Star of David
Jokes aside though. The area of missing helicopter is a mountainous forest with rainy and foggy weather. And Israel is getting out of hand too. as recently Biden administration reluctantly admitted. It may be some Iranian internal coup or something similar. But Israel's reaction was provocative. So politics politics . . .
There’s reason why Kim Jong Un prefer travel by trains on rail instead of flying or using ship
Everyone knows the Jews control the weather
The Austrians did it and they’re probably trying to figure out how to blame Germany who will inevitably invade Poland again
Well that guy is definitely checking out that guys ass 🤣😂
I don't see the problem. They all do that kind of thing.
USA for example fought Irak over poison gas factories that didn't exist.
Very sad.
His squirrel suit proved useless
It’s nice when the trash takes itself out.
Yeah. Israel made it foggy.
Like Austria and Serbia starting WW1?
ZING!
Homie got murdered by words in sub that is dedicated by murder by words. Nice.
You do realize that Austria at the time was a major world power and a literal empire, while the Serbs were supported by another world power, the Russians?
Who would go to war for Iran?
Funny how you seem to think the US and Russia aren’t involved in the feud between Israel and Iran. Ever heard the expression “proxy war”?
Mmmmn, racism.
Islam isn’t a race kid.
Yeah but not everyone in the middle east is muslim . plus Islamophobia ain't cool either.
Yeah, the saying goes I don't know what weapons ww3 will be fought with but 4 will be fought with sticks and stones, not ww3 will be fought with sticks and stones.
Funny how someone downvoted you for just having an opinion - Some angry bearded fella was like "Fuck you, have a downvote, the middle east matters. We will start WWIII"
Projection.
You got me, I secretly wish that Scandinavia mattered enough to start WWIII
They think that their latest cause du jour will be the solution to all the world’s problems. Also whoever they don’t like is always the wrong one. I never care what they think. They also assume anyone they disagree with is American and a Trump supporter. lol
I don't really care why you're calling Middle Eastern nations "sand kingdoms", I'm downvoting you because I think that's damn rude and I don't need some deeper reason.
More accurately you support them. Your opinion is as valid as mine. I just don’t have the same opinion of their ability to govern or tell the truth that you do.
More accurately you support them.
How would you know? I'm a complete stranger to you, and you haven't even said which ones you're talking about. I don't even know myself, whether I support the ones you're talking about.
Doesn't matter what you mean. Rude is rude. I'm not gonna give you more credit than you deserve.
EDIT:
Your mouth. That’s how I know. Now run along. This got boring.
You're not supposed to type by tonguing the phone, you creepy little butt gremlin.
That edit is so stupid yet so funny.
Your mouth. That’s how I know. Now run along. This got boring.
Dude you literally made borderline racist comments calling Arabic countries 'sand kingdoms'. You get no high ground. Touch grass.
Zing!
We are already in the beginning of ww3 with the Ukrainian war
Evidence or not...last time you threatened Israel, your president died.
Keep playing with fire ;p
lol
Wouldn’t have been Israel behind it
More like a certain three letter country playing world police
It was PRC all along!!
Or UAE?!
UAE?
The IRI?
Lmao at people getting mad at you suggesting the Americans/CIA did it, when they've literally spent the last 70 years doing shit like this
I don't think they did, but it's absolutely plausible
Why anyone fucks with helicopters after Kobe is beyond me. That was the most blessed man in the world.. if they can take him out, then they can take anyone out.
Blessed peeps don't have numerous SA allegations.
For anyone who thinks this sort of thing just doesn't happen:
2010, Polish President Lech Kaczyński, aboard a Polish Air Force Tu-154 outside Smolensk, Russia. Thick fog reduced visibility to ~500m. Russia currently still being accused of assassination.
1988, Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, aboard a Pakistani Air Force Lockheed C-130B Hercules near Bhawalpur, Pakistan. Unclear cause: witnesses saw the plane dive vertically minutes after takeoff. Russia, USA, the Pakistani Army, and various other Pakistani groups all accused of assassination.
1957, Philippines President Ramon Magsaysay, aboard a Philippines Air Force C-47 Skytrain on the slopes of Mount Manunggal, Cebu, Philippines. Crashed into a mountain after a driveshaft broke. Huklabhap insurgents speculated as possible assassins, though the theory was discarded when no evidence of sabotage was found.