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If you protest you lose you job. If you lose your job you lose your place to live. If you lose you place to live and become homeless you are breaking the law.
RantI think not existing in this universe is probably the only way out.
“Right to die” needs to be acceptable in more states, even without a pre-existing condition.
You can go fully off grid, but they won’t make it easy for you. Also, going off grid alone doesn’t help anyone and is selfish.
That's not what they meant about not existing....
Also the Supreme Court just made it practically illegal...https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/29/law-professor-homeless-rights-supreme-court-ruling
Off grid and homeless are not the same thing.
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There's no laws against homelessness. It's laws against sleeping in public.
Edit: I agree it's one in the same. I don't support these laws.
I mean thats tacitly a law against homelessness.
I live in Central Maine. The town i live in has 2 homeless shelters. These two homeless shelters are the only shelters around and have to support like 15+ different communities homeless populations.
There physically just isn't enough beds for these people. Some of them will be required to sleep outside. They have no other option. Its a numbers game.
For those sleeping outside they are already doing bad. Throwing them in jail isn't going to be the solution. It may help a few. I've spoken to drug addicts that said jail saved their lives. But it'll hurt just as many people as it helps.
So this Supreme Court decision isn't going to make matters any better, or atleast i dont personally believe it will have a positive impact
Totally
Dude was talking about living off grid, not being homeless. you equated the two together. Sleeping in Public is not off grid. Sleeping in Public is homelessness.
Tell me you have neither a grasp of “off grid” and the law by posting one link.
Tell me how you live "off grid" in today's society. You either are living somewhere that isn't "your" property or you are on grid by default because you have to pay taxes on the land. Generally most municipalities also have laws governing what kind of structures/non-permanent housing you can have on your land. You're gonna need a permit to build something on that property from your city or county.
First of all, learn the terms: "The term "off-the-grid" traditionally refers to not being connected to the electrical grid, but can also include other utilities like water, gas, and sewer systems, and can scale from residential homes to small communities."
Second of all, there are plenty of rural communities in this country that still allow you to build structures without permits, especially if those structures aren't "permanent" or on a slab. Solar power, battery storage, propane tanks, and septic systems are all off grid technologies that you can use on your own property without permission from anyone in the right places. Yes, you'll have to buy the land and pay taxes; that's not part of off grid living.
Third, there is mobile living in a van or bus, which if you believe instagram and tik tok is a pretty big trend. Again, solar power, battery storage, inverters, and tanked propane as well as using infrastructure in place for campers allows you to live "off the grid" and without having a permanent address or paying property taxes.
Finally, the SCOTUS ruling on homelessness says that towns and cities can pass ordinances about homeless sleeping in public spaces. Not about you sleeping in a tent / bivysack / buckassnude on your own property. So... wrong on literally every single thing.
They have made their ruling. Now, let them enforce it.
Of course, the red cops will, but it's still a hardcore quote.
I’m thinking yall aren’t understanding how protests and govts work.
You don’t protest an inconvenience because it’s easy. You protest an existential threat because you have to, because it’s more important than your job and your well-being (the point of a job) in the future depends on it.
This. I mean my god. The apathy. I know our whole existence has felt overwhelming, but I do not want to spend the rest of my life in a christofascist state.
Christofascism…. I see you’re parroting the same garbage that’s repeated constantly on Reddit. Get real. You people sound so delusional. Have you live or traveled anywhere outside of the U.S.? This is still close to the best there is.
That is rapidly changing. At the rate we are going, this is going to be a very different country in 10-15 years.
if you think this is close to the best there is, then you must have a bland imagination.
i’m not here to argue what place on earth is “the best,” but i will say there are too many people who defend their imprisonment and believe it to be freedom.
too many people believing the propaganda narratives of their upbringing taught to them by people who didn’t question the narratives of their propagandized upbringing.
it’s really quite remarkable the lack of critical thinking and the arrogance for one’s own ignorance so many people seem to cling to.
lol. You even threw out “lack of critical thinking!” Can’t make this stuff up.
so, you have no argument against what i’ve said?
to insult or brush someone off without any sort of thought process proves the lack off critical thinking skills you so easily mock.
They're called trolls. Don't feed them.
Is this honestly the best you think we can do?
Not even close. Europe is better than the US by a huge margin
Unless you take into account racism interwoven into their culture. I hear it’s more prominent there than the US and the US has it pretty bad.
Ok. What does that change about the explicit christofascist goals stated in prahjekt twenty 20 fyve?
Unless you're French...
So historically when whole classes of people would protest to enact change, how did they feed themselves? Did they let themselves get kicked out on the street? Did parents protest too or just the single child free folks?
If I attend a protest on my own time, why would I lose my job?
If you get arrested, which is a risk at any meaningful protest, all bets are off.
A court date would mean missing work regardless of whether the charges stick, and getting prison time would obviously mean losing your job. Depending on your employer's policies, simply being arrested could be grounds for termination.
That's how our system keeps people in line. You're typically not at the mercy of one centralized tyrannical regime; instead your livelihood depends on the whims of a million mini-tyrants.
TIL the March on Washington wasn't meaningful. The more you know.
Are you under the impression that the March on Washington sprung up out of nowhere? Countless numbers of activists were utterly brutalized by police forces and their allies in demonstrations across the country over several years. The big march wouldn't have been possible without them.
Also, if the sitting president hadn't been sympathetic to the cause, people would have been arrested in DC as well. And that didn't stop the FBI from trying to infiltrate with agent provocateurs to get peaceful protestors arrested.
Your employer not agreeing with what you're protesting if they catch wind of it and decide that you don't "reflect their values".
General Strike.
Let's set a date
Ok, tomorrow.
4th of July is VERY fitting for a national strike
A day when most businesses are closed and most non-service jobs have the day off anyways? Maybe not.
Based on the comments...... it looks like we are gonna have to learn the hard way again about what it takes for the people to get what they want
So. Many. Excuses. And. Fuckn. Apathy. It’s nauseating to still see at this point in the game.
How many days can you protest before you have to go back to work. Will you use all your PTO? What about all those who live pay check to paycheck. If they miss work for unexcused absences and get fired what then?
Are you suggesting people should have unlimited paid leave to protest? Your whole post is deeply unserious.
But Hillary's emails
Drag queens!
Tell that to the labor movement of yesteryear. Some of them literally died for labor rights. But look at a lot of us, "Wah! If I protest, I won't be able to go to Costco!"
This has always been true though and other people have done it. We can also protest by canceling all our subscriptions, refusing to travel/spend money etc
What kind of nonsense is this? Protesting is a protected activity.
Wonder why there's so many bots astroturfing this sub recently.
Protesting is protected from the goverment, not the employer.
The people that don't understand we have basically no rights because most of us are tied to the hip to employers baffle me. We have become peasants/serfs again and no one seems to notice...
As an employer I say protest all you want. How you use your PTO is none of my business, just make sure you file the request on time!
Yeah, but the Trumpist down the street running another business doesn't see the world that way. They also freely admit if they could take costs of electricity and water out of their employee's pay, they'd do it.
I am the "Trumpist" down the street. and you better believe the end of year bonus checks are figured out after all the bills are paid at any company you work for.
As an employer in the current system you're part of the problem, and your time is limited. The unwashed masses are coming for you.
The funny thing is they tend to eat their own first, so once they take you out let me know. Oh and tell them to shower first before coming over, no one likes a stinky mob.
I'll gladly submit to be eaten if you are eaten next.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
With < 4% unemployment, higher real household incomes than any time before Covid, the highest disposable household of any country, and the highest median income in PPP terms in the world, American workers are the chattel property of their employers? Really?
Every single peasant and serf in history would like to have a word.
That 4 percent is far higher. They don't count many people who would be considered unemployed anymore.
Your numbers are off…..
You're welcome to point to a source to back that up. I did check all of them before I posted them, but I see that this is first and foremost an antiwork pity party.
“Hey I see you have economic mobility. You must to be so happy…”
“No we’re actually costing our masters similarly. I get paid about what you did. I just have a more comfortable environment”
Make the employer obsolete
Work for yourself
Problem = solved
If your actively give up your own power and autonomy, who is really to blame here? Who actually has the power to change that arrangement?
Cause this is an option for so many people!
lol what? Have you ever had a job? I've worked in 6 states and ever single one of them was employment at will, there is nothing protected about protesting at work.
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I didn't even see anything but the title of the post.
After reading the post (which I originally thought was empty) OP is clearly talking about protesting outside of work. I had originally assumed that they were referring to protesting work (work conditions, unethical behaviors, etc).
I still think they may have been.
Are we talking about protesting or protesting at work? I feel like there is a bit of a disconnect in what is being discussed here.
Not sure why you were downvoted for questioning an assumption. OP never mentioned protesting at work.
Are you dense? Of course you can't protest at work. If you want to go to a protest, you take time off or do it on a day you're already scheduled off.
Yes I am dense, thank you for noticing! I was referring to literally protesting your work as I didn't even see anything under the headline of the post.
Thanks for the insult though and hope it makes you feel better about yourself hot shot.
Cause that's an option for so many people...
Why would there be? protest on your own time.
There's a huuuuuge information war going on.
Edit: Can y'all downvote me to a more fun number when I say stuff like this? Zero's kinda boring
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I boycotted work today, and I won the battle. For now. But I'm a boomer with a millennial son.
Let's be real, and effective protest would require a MASSIVE communal effort. That means collecting a huge fund to supply daily rations and housing to protesters for enough people to cripple the economy if they all didn't work for say 14 days? 30? How many people would that take? 10 million? 100 million?
The goal being that the govt and corporations are DESPERATE to fold to demands or they risk catastrophic collapse.
Taking PTO is not an option because if enough people are not working that it cripples the economy, that PTO request is getting refused.
During the BLM riots, I was managing 80+ people...
I had tons of people who wanted to go join the fun. Okay? Go ahead, and make sure check 'PTO' for your leave type.
'Oh, you don't have leave because you blew it as fast as you earned it? Well, damn, that sucks.
I'll make you a deal, I'll excuse your absence from work but you won't be paid for your time. That seems fair.'
Do you see the self importance you think you have over people just because you're their manager?
No, they don't. Self-awareness is non-existent these days.
It’s almost like their job is to be a leader or something
Theres a difference between a boss and a leader.
Why would you excuse someone from work to join a riot?
Don’t you understand?? DeMOcrACy iS At StaKE!!
Your logic is sound and a reasonable SCOTUS would just need a test case to fix this. But...well, you know.
They can’t fire everyone, companies already are feeling the sting of the lack of employees, they need us.
Only on way to fix this mess and it unfortunately is also messy.
Quick point of order, while I’m not happy with the Supreme Court in general, the Supreme Court didn’t make it illegal to be homeless. What they did do was make it so laws can be passed that makes sleeping outside illegal. So, if you want or need to be homeless, you just need to live somewhere that it’s not illegal. No, it’s not ideal, but I just want to make it clear, it’s not all the sudden illegal to be homeless everywhere in the country.
Is the NYC subway considered outside? 🤔
"It's not universally illegal. Just in every city and town across the country that doesn't want to address the homeless problem with any other tool besides incarceration simply because that's the third most expeditious way to get the vagrants off the street."
ToMato TomAto
You don't lose your job if you protest. It's just that it's primarily people without jobs who have the time and lack of responsibilities to protest all the time.
Weird how all the protests are at 10AM on a Wednesday isn't it? If a protest was at 7AM on a Saturday I might give them some credit.
Jan 6 was noon on a Wednesday
excellent example.
I only plan on working until we pay off our house. $48,000 to go.
What job are you doing that you get fired for protesting, though?
It would be more attendance. For protesting instead of being at work. A whole shitload of us don't actually get PTO, or very much of it, so we risk our jobs to take off for things like that.
You mean to tell me you’re expected to show up for your job when you’re supposed to be there? 🤯
Of course. But protesting is supposed to be enshrined within the 1st amendment. So, there's some argument to be made about being fired for exercising a right.
No, that argument can’t be made. The right to protest is that the government cannot prevent lawful assembly and cannot prevent people from speaking freely. The Bill of Rights does not otherwise mean you are free from consequences.
And I agree with you. I also don't protest. Or at least haven't yet in my life. I have a family and I'm the sole provider. So, for me, my family comes before pet obsessions and the like. If some major collapse or bullshit level happened to where I was suddenly upended and unable to provide a living, I might be interested in protesting that. As it stands, me going to work is the better option.
As it is for now, I'm probably mostly agreeing with you in practice. Otherwise it's for learning sake to argue any point.
You don't automatically lose your job for protesting
Yeah, like just take some time off work and don't discuss what you did during your time off.
Or protest on the weekend.
Right. It would be for attendance.
You could protest on your own time
Personally, I don't bother, but we are supposed to have that right enshrined in the 1st amendment, so I don't complain when others do.
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Was it ever really all that democratic? I mean I would agree the country's more fascist now than probably any other time in its history, but it's kind of always been fascist to some degree. In the context here, you'd lose your job protesting for civil rights in the 60s, or for spending too many days chasing the grateful dead about, or whatever. Nothing's really changed there. You'll still lose your job for protesting (attendance, really), just like at any other point. Technology has just made it easier to be fascist, as well as easier and quicker to talk about it. So it feels more obvious now, but it's not really different from the past.
Millions of people have their own businesses or work for themselves. It can't be that hard to do.
If protesting is that important to you make it your full time job, through a youtube channel or something.
I don't think you know what protesting is
Being homeless isn’t illegal. You idiots read a headline and ran with it apparently…
Where do you sleep?
With your momma.
You don’t seem to need the job anyway.
Well there's nothing I want to go protest so I'm all set.
You're right. This is about you.
People say 'I'd never start my own business when I can just work for that company over there...'
Just do it in DC or NYC or LA. NIMBY.
Sitting in history class I always wondered how the average person on the wrong side of history could allow and stomach living with so much injustice. Turns out it's just plain old selfishness.
You know how to defeat injustice? take care of yourself and your loved ones first. You don't defeat it by protesting, looting and burning down your neighborhood, and it doesn't win you any sympathy either.
Chauvins in jail
..... that's your take away? Chauvin is in jail because of 2 Billion dollars in riot damage across the country? I'm fairly certain it was the criminal trial that did it.
Both
huh. well if releasing him would reverse all the damage caused in his name all those people hurt by it would do it in a heartbeat.
So you'd subvert justice and due process.
You people are the baddies.
rioting and looting is not justice or due process. I can't even imagine such a evil headspace to where a person might think it is.
Well then you must think MLK is evil because he said riots are the voice of the disenfranchised but that absolutely tracks because, yes, you guys are the baddies
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