There's little to no walking space on Shelbyville Rd for pedestrian traffic but cops are randomly parked in the way.
I'm not against that, but this part of Shelbyville Rd sees this kind of foot traffic seven days out of ten years it seems.
Maybe that’s because there’s no safe place there. There’s a whole chicken/egg thing here. Would people in the area walk to the Parklands instead of driving if it were safe to do so?
There was actually a very cool proposal to add side walks out in prospect… was going to cost a couple million dollars.
I wish they had done it…
That would have mostly benefited the people in the mixed income development they have been trying to get built. Can’t have poor people with no cars having an easy way to walk to Kroger or even a buss stop.
People got so mad at the idea of strangers walking past their house. So many people got lawyers to argue against it. Insane.
That was their rationale? Seriously?
Not safe to have the general public walking around past their homes.
As crazy as it sounds, a lot of people worked really hard and paid to move out there to have the privacy, and a small part of that may be that other people are not walking in close proximity to their house.
Don't measure the need for a bridge by how many people you see swimming across a river.
From where?
Same place the cars come from.
Should they put a walking path on 265?
Wherever you are ready big guy
We used to be able to, but it is taking your life in your hands now, as this week shows.
no, not likely
You obviously don’t understand that area.
Isn’t the Louisville loop theoretically supposed to come through there? Right now it’s essentially impossible to bike to the Parkland’s trailhead in Beckley park.
Not sure honestly
I’m pretty sure it will in the future, Mile marker 74 for the Louisville trail is at the William F. Miles Community Garden which is literally on the other side of the road of Valhalla.
Yeah, it's on part off Shelbyville road right now but it's very poorly designed and more like an extra wide sidewalk than a mixed use bike path. I wouldn't ride it, crosses too many parking lots.
That's exactly it. I'm all in on better infrastructure. But this ain't the place that needs it.
This is just circular logic. Why build pedestrian infrastructure when there are no pedestrians? Why would there be pedestrians if there was no infrastructure?
Funds and resources are limited
You want to prioritize areas where people aren’t over the real and pressing needs where people actually walk and bike?
Please tell me where I said any of that. I was just pointing out the circular logic used. Not whether I want to put side walks in any specific spot.
I agree the suburbs should not be subsidized. Spend the tax money where it can do the most good for the most people, inside the Watterson.
Why would/should there be pedestrian infrastructure on that stretch of Shelbyville Road?
Because people live there?
Oh, gee, thanks for clearing that up.
Let me know if you need help figuring out why the west end needs grocery stores. Would be happy to help with that too.
You can't steal sidewalks
Racist much?
Did I say there should be somewhere in my comment?
It would be a massive waste of resources to put sidewalks literally everywhere there is a road, just in case someone might be there and want to walk that stretch.
I sort of agree. Most properly traffic calmed neighborhood access streets (15mph or less, low traffic volumes) probably don’t need full sidewalks. But Shelbyville road is five lane highway. Due to the nature of our suburban development pattern, in that area most trips require you to use it at some point whether in a car or on foot.
IMO giving people the option to walk along a parallel segregated path is just the humane thing to do. Some people walk out of necessity.
(In the grand scheme of things is a four foot sidewalk that much more to ask for given that we've already sunk so much into five 10ft+ lanes of asphalt?)
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If the city/state gave me a budget and said “use this to improve the walking infrastructure“ I definitely wouldn’t start here.
But it’s the context of what we spend on other things that makes me frustrated. We shouldn’t have to pick and choose. Everyone should be able to walk wherever they want.
I grew up in a place like this. I would’ve loved to have access to a park like that without having to bug my parents for a ride. That’s like a childhood altering thing for some kids.
It's not just the cost of grading the sidewalk and putting down concrete. Drainage would have to be moved. Utility lines would have to be moved. Who is going to maintain it and be responsible for clearing it when it snows? If it's the property owners, as it usually is, do they get a veto over whether the sidewalk gets built?
A sidewalk for rich people would be a PR nightmare for the county. After today's news, it sounds good, but months or years from now, people will be looking at all the other things that money could be spent on and it would seem much less appealing.
Not to mention destructive to local wildlife
Maybe it's not the place that has the most biking currently but if there was a safe way to bike from Hurstbourne or Anchorage to the Parklands I bet you there would be a group ride every day of the week rolling out there.
Yeah its crazy to think an ultra profitable event could spend the cash to make it a safe event.
I think Valhalla could help out a little by figuring out a way to get a more entrances there so it’s not all backed up at one point.
No idea where their property boundaries are but if you want to host big boy events, figure it out.
Eastwood could have been a very pleasant walkable community, but they block everything reasonable but let developers do whatever they want. You can't open a walkable bar or restaurant in the existing spaces on old shelbyville road, but you can put in 300 houses with no sidewalks across the road. Interesting to see what happens once Publix goes in at Flat Rock.
Since they built sidewalks from Beckley Station in to Middletown, I see people using them regularly even though it's outside the Snyder. There have always been more pedestrians around than people realize, but with more apartments going in inside and outside the Snyder, demand is going to keep growing.
This
I’ve been desperate for it. Its my dream to be able to run from UofL Shelby campus to Beckley Creek
This isn't a fuckcars thing, this is Classism 101. Sidewalks are for walking and walking is for poors and they don't want poors in that part of town.
The people that live there have their own safe neighborhoods to walk in, none of them want to ever have to walk to Bearnos.
Yeah they also lead the homeless there. And they can’t have that out there.
Like this subreddit wouldn't have had an aneurysm if a nice pedestrian walk was built for this part of the city for a golf tournament instead of elsewhere.
Golf courses simply existing in the city is enough for the screeching to start over here haha
With the incredibly popular parks out there multi-use paths from Middletown to Eastwood at the least would likely be well traveled, but it makes too much sense for KYTC or Metro government to factor into designs.
They definitely gave the 💰 for a sidewalk... but they don't want the peons walking around...
Development first, infrastructure last. We need to think about the investors....
They don’t want that at a fancy country club. Side walks lead the homeless to the promise land.
shelbyville rd is a highway. we do not need walking paths by highways. Should shelbyville rd be a highway? Thats a whole other question.
That’s exactly where you DO need a path to make everyone safer.
there are a ton of studies that show putting ped pathing near any highway ends in dead pedestrians. Its why we see so many car related deaths like that boy off hurstbourne or the girl in the west end this year already.
if the car can go over 30 no human should be on foot nearby. its why all other highways you can think of have no walking paths even with a divot separation.
There are supposedly no walk ins allowed. Only shuttle drop off and ride share drop off. So this should have been avoided. Technically someone should have cracked down on the unsanctioned parking lots because obviously these patrons would walk in.
I don’t think anyone was prepared for the shuttle drop off at Valhalla, anyone with insight on how the previous events did this?
My partner went a few days ago to watch practice and said it was a massive disaster. Mud puddle turnouts, nothing marked, rideshare drivers all confused about where to go and what to do, unhelpful staff screaming at everyone, and he had a half mile walk through the mud to get where he needed to go. Including crossing Shelbyville road. And apparently the food was awful too. He described it as "louisville fyre fest." Big yikes. The good (?) news is I don't think it will be happening here again...
I worked at Valhalla and it wasn’t this much of a shit show for the Sr PGA or the Rory championship. We took the shuttle to the back parking lot and walked in through the PGA village they set up. I don’t recall anyone walking on the road but that area has grown a shit ton since the last event.
That’s what I can’t figure out. This isn’t the first time this event has been here. Like someone else said, it’s a chicken and egg - the shuttles were there to eliminate the walk ups and if no walk ups are allowed then there is no need for specific lanes and pedestrian areas. But when there are pedestrians and drivers dropping off then there is no way for the shuttles to properly run through. It’s just an inconvenient location from the start.
There’s a back parking lot across from a large city park. In the past to you park in the park and walk directly across to the course with crossing guards. I didn’t go this year but assumed it would be the same as it was. But appears to not be the case. You could catch a shuttle from Cardinal Stadium and park there for free also. I don’t know where the shuttles are coming from now though.
All shuttles come from KEC for free parking. It was like Derby. The other satellite lots were at a church that was also shuttling. The Uber drop off was at the park you are mentioning. From what I saw yesterday, people were just walking from wherever, being dropped off from wherever. And there were no signs telling what lanes were for which.
Bean club was better prepared lol.
The ride share area was a clusterF. Totally unprepared for the volume. Asking 30,000 east-end residents to drive 20 minutes to the fair/expo center, wait 30 minutes for a 25 minute commute from the fairgrounds was NEVER going work. It took over 2 hours Wednesday evening to get a ride out of the venue.
For all the money Valhalla and the PGA are making off of this event, they should have built sidewalks on Shelbyville. Leave the city better than you found it.
I don't disagree
Or more than one entrance maybe?
No walk ins allowed is a poor way of saying it. People are dropped off by ride shares across shelbyville road from Valhalla. Then you walk to the road and once every so often are stopping traffic to let a big group walk across onto the grounds of Valhalla. There are several “parking lots” along side shelbyville road that people are using so if police are blocking road shoulders they are going to have to walk in the road.
Exactly my point. There should be one lane blocked off for pedestrian traffic with crosswalks for people to get from one side to the other. I've seen it done at other events, not sure why not here.
You arent supposed to walk.
Aren’t they parking people at beckley creek and letting them walk in? I saw a ton of people crossing the street after leaving the park one morning.
I believe that's where Uber drop off point is, yes. But you've also got people near Valhalla selling spots in their yards and people walking from there. Or people are getting dropped off on the side of the road as close to the course as they can get.
People can comment "you aren't supposed to walk" all they want, but there's 200,000 people coming and going this weekend. Some are going to walk back and forth if given the chance.
The PGA's website says they're not allowing any walk-ins due to how dangerous Shelbyville Road is. They should have been enforcing this earlier in the week to spread the message that it won't be tolerated before the bigger crowds show up.
That said, the person that was hit this morning was an employee for one of the vendors. They should have known the median was dedicated to bus traffic and that's it's not an ideal place to stand and wait for traffic to clear.
No development = no lights, no sidewalks, no updated infrastructure. There’s Valhalla and a gigantic park across the highway. That’s it
Here's another part "Andy North, a former PGA Tour professional, said on ESPN, "Small confrontations happen quite frequently trying to get in and out of the property at a golf events because there's so many people trying to get in and out. Everybody's trying to talk their way in. And sometimes situations happen like this, but very seldom do you have a huge police force. Usually it's more security guards, rent-a-cops, as we call them that are part of those situations."
After experiencing it today, I don’t understand the negative comments about the system. Everything was smooth, organized, and fast. The shuttle system was impressive. We left at peak time, with the masses, and never waited. I’m not exaggerating when I say that the shuttle never stopped. Everyone got right on buses, the buses got out onto the road with minimal wait, and we were gone. Their plan was working perfectly.
Someone died
I live on Shelbyville road right now and there’s a lack of sidewalks. It’s a big reason my girlfriend doesn’t want to get a job that is within walking distance.
Drove through there unwittingly on Wednesday. Total shit show.
We had years to form a good traffic flow system and our city fumbled that bag there. Also doesn’t make sense why we have the tournament on Shelbyville mf road with no back entries and exits for players and important people.
yes a lot of roads doesn’t have side walks for people.
Have yall noticed the more the authorities treat us like kids, the more fuck ups there are? I swear there would be less problems if they just let people figure out how to get to the course themselves.
The looks on their face lol like oh fuck their gonna post this
Well if Eastwood becomes their own town and have their own authority, I think they’d do everything in their power to NOT have sidewalks/ bike lanes there.
Yea-FORD cars and Miller Transport- they’re ALWAYS messin shit up
FUcK cARs1
Here come the walkable cities folks to pat themselves on the back again...
...talking about building sidewalks outside of the Gene Snyder 😆
One of these day I'm going to stop my food truck on the highway and reclaim the streets for the people, buy my food too
Or maybe, just maybe there should be sidewalks? Maybe a multiuse path so pedestrians and cyclists have a safe way to travel along this corridor?
This is exactly what we should expect to happen when infrastructure is designed for one and only one means of transportation.