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Wild how people care more about one subpar debate performance from someone who was sick (he looked much better today) than the other candidate being a convicted felon, sexual abuser, wannabe fascist.
Maybe the fact that this is the best candidate that the Dems can run in response to such a horrible candidate is a problem. It should be easy to beat Trump.
The fact is that it will never be easy for the Democrats to beat Trump or any Republican because the Democrats don’t rally behind their candidate the same way Republicans do. Whether you think that’s good or bad is besides the point, Democrats are more willing to let go of their end goals because they don’t have a perfect candidate than Republicans are.
Or because the DNC is running really unpopular and unappealing candidates.
I was promised that we could move Biden to the left, over and over again in 2020. I have not seen his willingness to meet the party where it is.
2020: Vote Biden then push him left later!!
2021: snoooore mimimimi
2022: 🛌😴💤
2023: You can't criticize him now, we need to rally behind him so he can defeat Trump again VBNMW
2024: Vote Biden then push him left later!!
Meanwhile the only direction Biden has moved is to the right
“If I'm re-elected, I'm going to restore Roe v. Wade.”
Ok, glad you enjoyed eating ice cream the last four years, but I totally trust you’ll finally do something if we put you back in charge!
Watch how quickly he's gonna go from "I will restore it, all I need is your vote" to "I'd restore it, but I'm actually completely powerless to do anything"
No need to watch a rerun when I saw it live this term! 💀
Congress would need to pass a law to restore it. I don’t know how the president could do it unilaterally.
Edit: lol the person above changed their comment
he had endless opportunity to codify
Congress has to pass a bill to codify Roe, then the president can sign the bill into law. It will not pass the republican controlled house. That’s why it’s important to vote down ballot.
This is the case for every government that isn't a dictatorship and they seem to get by just fine
No I didn’t?
You really want a Democrat in office when the next two justices retire.
So they can purposefully fumble the ball for the nth time! They don't want real power. If they had it, they'd have less excuses as to why the status quo doesn't change. Their job is to look honorable and powerless. That's what they're paid to do.
I was banned from r/prochoice for pointing this out.
I have a bunch of unapproved losers DM’ing me to insult me about this comment now. “He didn’t have the power to fix it before!” And I’m supposed to believe that’s gonna change after this election when the Dems are weaker than they’ve ever been?
And weaker because of their own incompetence…
2024: It doesn't matter how bad Biden is, you have to vote blue to stop project 2025!
2028: It doesn't matter how bad the next candidate is, you have to vote blue to stop project 2029!
I mean... yeah pretty much. Biden's corpse is preferable to the batshit craziness in Project 2025
The point is, the democrat position seems to be devolving into “We’re not as bad as the other guy!”
Do you think the “2025” part is a deadline? If we elect Biden again, all of the reprehensible psychopaths behind it just tear up their plans and say “Oh well, we tried, but we got outvoted?”
No, it just becomes project 2030. And honestly, it’s fantastic for democrats. You will not see Biden or anyone other democrat taking any steps to protect us against the plans outlined in Project 2025, because having it as an ongoing existential threat is a way easier campaign platform than, you know, actually governing.
The climate is collapsing, our closest allies have slaughtered 20,000 children and are torturing people in camps, whole populations are facing famine and disease, there are ongoing threats of mass pandemics and water shortages, we’re developing police states, corporate profits are soaring while normal people starve, literacy rates have plummeted, teachers are quitting, hospitals are understaffed, homelessness is being criminalized while private equity firms buy up houses…
But every four years, it’s just going to be “Better vote for us so the other side doesn’t enact their evil plans!”
It’s untenable.
You missed their point. "We need to win every election ever" Is not a sustainable strategy, especially when the candidates we're running are this terrible
I know this goes against the narrative, but are we really gonna ignore every progressive policy Biden achieved? The most progressive climate bill of all time? Multiple acts of student debt relief, which leftists were constantly calling for? Protections upon protections for marginalized queer people?
I’m not gonna pretend he’s anywhere near ideal, but this both sides bullshit is dangerous.
Meanwhile the only direction Biden has moved is to the right
WTF? He literally passed the first third of the Green New Deal. The Ds just called it the Inflation Reduction Act in order to sneak it past senator mansion. Remember how much centrists flipped out when AOC's office accidentally released a draft version of the Green New Deal? They hated it.
He was also the first president in history to walk a picket line with striking workers.
Then he got the railworkers what they were striking for too.
Here's the IBEW statement:
- “We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
https://ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
The alternative is a convicted felon/adjudicated rapist. There is no choice. I’d vote for Biden even if we have to weekend at Bernie’s him through the term
Can you provide examples of him moving to the right?
"Securing" the border, genocide, expanding the police state, violent suppression of protestors, ignoring the legislature to start or fund wars. That's all just recent stuff off the top of my head
Thank you. I can't believe people even think "walking a picket line" is a point that can be made next to "funding a genocide".
What does walking a picket line even do when he supports policies that harms strikers? Calling him progressive for that is insane. And yeah im not going to say "genocide aside" or anything ridiculous like that. Genocide cannot be ignored and anyone complicit in it is not progressive
It's cognitive dissonance. I don't think these people really want to vote for him, but they feel powerless because the system sucks so they convince themselves these are actual wins to make their voting choices feel better...
Exactly, the "anyone's better than Trump so you have to vote for anyone" schtick was never going to end well.
Sadly Biden has a decades-long career that backs up him not moving left. Part of why he was chosen to be Barack Obama’s running-mate was because he’s sort of been known as “Republican Lite” and it was a small attempt at appeasement for those who were unhappy he would become president.
Knowing his history, even if I was a Democrat (I’ve been registered Independent for a few years now) I’d have never voted for Joe. He’s notoriously always also been on the wrong side of wars and that’s a big ticket issue for me.
Not to mention, 80 year olds aren’t known to change their viewpoints
Exactly. Which again, I’m so sorry if this comes off as ageist, but I fully believe there should be a hard cap at 65 years old for holding office. We have far too many septuagenarians in politics who can’t be expected to accurately represent the needs and desires of the average citizen.
I’m Californian, I had to suffer having Feinstein.
As if the warhawk who helped write the 91 crime bill was ever going to go left lol
It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad
People are voting for them though. I am definitely pretty firmly left but I think it’s a fallacy to say the DNC are “running” candidates for President. People vote for centrist candidates of their own accord.
Theres a lot to criticize about the DNC and Democratic leadership in general but I do think it’s a bit patronizing to say that millions of people are voting for a centrist candidate because the DNC told them to.
Did we not just see what happened to Jamaal Bowman? The DNC is absolutely doing this. They first screw over anyone that isn't a centrist at the primary, then when the general election comes it's "this centrist is by comparison better than that conservative who wants to kill you. pick wisely!"
Or campaigning for Henry Cuellar.
Uhh do you remember what happened to Bernie?
lol that’s like saying I don’t force my toddler to eat her vegetables when I give her the choice of peas or carrots. 90% of the decision about who’s going to be president is made in closed door meetings deciding who has the party’s backing to run. And even then, the Buttigieges of the party go into it knowing that unless it’s a freak event like Obama’s nomination, they’re auditioning for a cabinet position or VP.
Just vote for the neoliberal candidate, we can push them left later.
They've only just got in, you can't expect them to do things this quickly it's just not realistic.
Well they have to do these slightly right wing things to keep the swing voters on side.
Omg criticising them so close to the election will only help the other side.
Repeat
The Republican base shows up for the election because the party produces candidates that excite the base. Meanwhile the DNC struggles against itself to keep the more progressive wing in check.
Not a Bernie bro but a good portion of their base did rally around someone and they said lol no you’ll get a Clinton
More like "lol no you'll get a Clinton. go fuck yourself btw!"
I voted Bernie in that primary but Hillary beat him fair and square. The Democrat party is more center than a lot of people like to admit and they have been courting center-right voters for a while because the very left voters are unreliable.
But then it kinda happened again in 2020 except it felt a little too calculated. I was a pretty staunch Elizabeth Warren supporter at the start of that primary but by Super Tuesday even I conceded that she had no way of winning or beating Bernie. But she stayed in the primary anyway, splitting the vote and pretty much guaranteeing that several key states -- Texas, Maine and a few others if I remember correctly -- would go to Biden instead of Bernie. It was either pure stubbornness or some convincing by the DNC. With her really condescending and callous remarks about women who supported Bernie instead of her, I think she was happy to jump on board with the DNC plan.
No one here is voting for Trump. We can and should complain about Biden even if we vote for him.
And btw wanting someone better than Biden is far from wanting “a perfect candidate”
I mean, yeah, but we'd be remiss not to note that Democrats are fucking horrible at politics. Just dogshit.
Among many other things, Democrats haven't learned thing from the phenomenal arrogance of RBG and her refusal to retire. The future of the country is at stake and you have to make strategic choices, not coddle the entitlement of septuagenarians.
No more of this "we go high while they go low". We need to fight fire with fire, none of these lame duck neo-liberals.
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Exactly!
Biden was literally a segregationist. People on the left don't rally behind him because he's a moderate conservative at best
Is he one now? Looks like he has one of, if not the, most integrated administrations in American history.
Was, not is.
'Perfect' candidate.
When not supporting a genocide is too much to ask of a president.