Androids
ShitpostingThere are ways to sideload apps without jailbreak, but the easy APK installs are the thing I miss most.
dear heavens my company has an android app that doesn't want or need store integration. When I tell a network guy "you put the file on the server, then you download the file", they always have the look of an abused puppy that has been shown kindness for the first time.
sobs in Apple ecosystem helpdesk worker
For me, the decision was made simply by iPhone iOS not being open source, unlike Android.
Yes, fun fact, the Android OS is open source.
base of android is open source but every manufacturer throws in almost as much proprietary code as there is in the open source part
Also like half of the App Library needs Google Play Services to work at all.
The likes of Uber, Lyft, Deliveroo, etc won't work at all without it, whilst others will "work" but be broken in ways like not sending push notifications.
Though with that said, Android is much closer to Windows that lets you install whatever the fuck you want on your device outside of the manufacturer's approved storefront.
Some apps rely on Google's proprietary special sauce to launch and work at all, which has caused headaches when OEM's bypass Google, á la Huawei. There are workarounds, but it's much more hassle than just having Play Services by default.
yeah, google goes around that limitation by putting the cooler half of their standard library into google play services as opposed to the android platform itself, and google play is one of the furthest things there is from open source. it's a thing that requires authorization for the specific device to install, which is meant to be done by the device vendor, and they can only install it if they bundle it with a bunch of google's services. that's why you have not only google search, but also youtube and gmail and google maps, etc., on all android devices, set as default apps for whatever they do. if you don't comply with that requirement you can't sell a device with google play on it, and outside of niche nerd circles the only one who made that work is amazon.
ultimately, google and apple are both solving the same "problem" of trying to benefit from open source without giving up too much control and ending up like redhat where the users won. make no mistake, i'm not trying to defend apple here, they're a million times more blatant about their disregard for the open source community (which is why they built their systems on bsd, not linux, because bsd has a more permissive license that doesn't require them to give anything back), and that's one of the long list of reasons why i only ever spend money on anything they produce if i absolutely have to.
but android being open source unfortunately doesn't mean much. if it did, we would see much more vibrant competition than amazon's fire os which is mostly a downgrade from google's android, random short-lived projects like sailfish os and whatever the fuck nokia was doing before they gave up and gave in to google, and specialized devices like the oculus quest (not gonna call them meta, lol) built on the aosp with completely different apps that don't have to be compatible.
Ehhhh not really? Yeah the AOSP exists, but basically every manufacturer has some proprietary shit in the phones and Android is pretty much useless without Google Play, which too is proprietary.
And that leads to my favorite reason I have an android. I can literally just download a custom ROM that has features I want, and have it running in 30 minutes without anyone trying to stop me
actually, after two lawsuits they are planning to allow third party apps and sideloading natively. but only for phones in the EU.
They also have most of their products made by child slaves and deliberately brick their devices periodically so you have to buy new ones. Apple sucks.
a note on this: even when they don't, that ten year old ipad your nan has that totally still works, take that android copers, etc., is not only not getting new apps but is also losing existing ones (and the ability to update or reinstall them, should anything happen) not because it would be incapable of running them, but because apple deliberately makes it super frickin difficult to support older platforms.
they do this by changing up their system apis periodically in completely arbitrary ways. these big changes do tend to coincide with new features but are also present in areas completely devoid of those new features, requiring extensive and unnecessary changes to the source code of applications simply to stay up to date and access the new features. this is to give developers a deliberately difficult choice: you can stay on the old api, but then you don't get to access the cool new stuff and you'll lag behind anyone who does embrace it, or you can update and cut off all users who are not on the latest ios version. but everyone updates to the latest ios, right?
right?
except the ones who can't, of course. that's apple's whole game on this one, forcing developers to code in a way that requires the latest ios gives losing support some actual teeth (while also offloading the blame to those external devs, apple does that a lot), which then enables a nice planned obsolescence mechanic that makes it sound like it's "necessary".
meanwhile on android every app supports 4-5 versions behind the current one at least. there's an entirely different problem on there regarding updates, created both by individual device manufacturers and by the likes of qualcomm as well, but it provides a nice example that this could work differently. it just doesn't work differently, because apple knows that once they cut support to your device, you're likely to replace it with another apple device anyway, so why would they say no to free money?
Planned obsolescence has been a thing for android phones too for a while now... It all sucks
Everybody back to Nokia
Almost all mass produced tech is made in pretty unethical contexts, and it’s been historically proven that iPhones are officially supported far longer than the vast majority of Androids.
Everyone sucks.
How much longer is "far longer?"
eh, not really. on android you don't need constant system updates to be a first class citizen, you can be 4-5 versions behind and still get all the new apps. yes, most android device manufacturers suck with updates but apple also locks out people just one version behind in a far more aggressive way.
and pixel and new samsungs are now getting 7 years of software updates
I’m talking more about security updates and patches. Older Android still works perfectly to fine. But it’s a risk.
My iPhone Xwas still getting security updates.
I have an LG G5 that can still run most apps. Try that on an iPhone.
For me, it was the lack of a dedicated back button/gesture. It's always different in every app.
these are too many words for me to understand, which means apple is still good
Do- do iPhone users actually pay for their music?
This is a very old screenshot, from back when iTunes was a thing
Phew, for a second there I thought iPhone users just burned money for fun.
No that would be ridiculous
Isn't burning money for fun just buying every new iPhone anyway?
That was the joke
Fun story: ITunes let's you download unprotected MP3s of any music you've purchased even if they'd prefer you stick to their protected AAC. I actually bought music off iTunes to then load on my Android because I couldn't find it anywhere else, not even on the piracy sites I knew of at the time.
Wasn't iTunes the one that would replace your particular one with an mp3 in their collection, thus erasing some peoples' rare music?
Ahh yes it is
They don't replace it with an MP3, they replace it with their copy protected AAC. MP3 doesn't support copy protection. It takes an effort to force iTunes to cough up the MP3 version of a song you bought.
But I also don't use Apple products anymore specifically because of issues like that.
how long ago was that cause these days there are tons of yt to mp3 downloaers
I don't use YouTube for music. It's too low quality, like 128 kbps. Also, I don't think all the songs were on YouTube either. It was a smaller band's early EPs before they became successful (and they're still not well known outside Canada).
Of course they don't, paying a premium price for an average product is actually a big brain strat, so that when the next iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, MacBook and whatever else you need to have in the ecosystem come out, they feel less bad about paying for it. After all, the last one didn't cost that different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's ridiculous. Apple will make sure that the money burning is no fun at all.
Even back then, Spotify and Pandora existed. And no on paid for music. Before those apps were widely available we all pirated. Even among people with ipods and the first iPhones, only weirdos or rich kids paid for their mp3s.
iTunes cut a huge swathe through piracy. $0.99/song felt fair.
If you make something available and affordable, they will pay for it. If you don't give them a reasonably affordable way to get it, they'll do what they have to.
Also back when google play music was a thing.
...I miss Google Play Music. It was a decent way to play my MP3s without constant ads for a paid service I have no interest in.
Ikr, I was reading this slackjawed. Like, "Are Apple users unable to use Spotify...?"
They can use it, but apparently have to make payments and maintain their accounts through the website. Spotify doesn't want to pay 30 % to Apple, so the app can't even mention anything about how to pay.
If you have a subscription to Apple Music you pay a monthly fee for unlimited downloads
How does it compare to Spotfiy? I'm an android user but I may start using apple products at work.
Ngl kinda mid. Spotify is far better
Does it at least have a functional desktop app? Spotify's has been super broken for like half a year.
i think yes, but only on macos. itunes is still around, not sure if it's via itunes or something else
im using the website ver of spotify and work just fine, and you can use an adblock with it
I remember the website also being completely broken but it's been a few months since I last tried it so maybe it got fixed.
How so? Id say spotify is worse
Apple Music has vastly better sound quality if you can hear the difference. Otherwise Spotify’s better in terms of content (podcasts, audiobooks, etc.) and integration with devices like smart speakers
People underestimate YouTube premium because you get YouTube music with it and it's easily comparable with Spotify. Great option for android.
I am still deciding on which one to go with after my Spotify subscription ends.
I only very recently (in the last few months) switched from buying music on iTunes to streaming through Apple Music
They'll pay for anything, I've seen apple users pay for custom app icons and ringtones
Iphone user here. I don't. I don't even know why anyone does when all you need is the default music app, itunes on a pc, and an audio file.
Google play music has been defunct for years
Cassette Tapes it is
But that makes sense why my partner only uses Spotify, now that you mention it
that and Google play music was shit even when it existed
Disagree. It let you upload your own mp3s and stream them to yourself wherever you wanted. I was sad when it closed.
Same. YT music was meh, and I ditched it as soon as it randomly switched from my playlist of uploaded music to some random one.
Edit: forgot to mention what I switched to. I got Power Amp, which works good.
I may be stupid but can't Spotify do that too?
I think they meant that you can add local music on one device and then stream them on another, which I didn't know it could do and haven't ever heard of tbh. But Spotify does not support that, but you can manually move music between devices and have them work properly in playlists and such, as long as the folder substructure remains the same.
It could. It was kinda buried in menus though. I had my dad's massive library of rock on Google Play music because he had uploaded it to his personal Google server that hosts my Gmail account like a decade and a half earlier. It was great every time I remembered it existed
No, not local music.
You could upload your MP3s and google music would host them for you and you could stream them anywhere. And it was free.
Well, shit. I mean, I guess you technically still could do this with any hosting service, but not having to fiddle around to make it work sure sounds handy!
And you could also buy music and actually download the high quality audio files to your devices. That's the only reason I have a few albums from my favorite artists as my own, and not just as a "download" that only Spotify can play. I was so sad when they killed it, I was even saving my rewards points to buy more music.
I hated that you only had 1 month to switch to YouTube Music. Still missing 2 albums, Google!
In our hearts forever, though. Even years later, YouTube Music is still so much worse.
God I remember at launch it was literally just a downgrade in every way. Worse streaming, worse interface, worse local importing, and it took a full minute to load your local files (that it would then sort like shit to boot). Absolute like of garbage. I'd hope it's gotten at least somewhat better over time but knowing Google I'm not foolish enough to bank on that hope. Since then I've invested into Spotify for my discovery of new music, and for daily listening I use a Fiio M7 and keep my personal collection on my PC and as much physical as I can get my hands on. Can't take that shit from me, Google.
God, I miss having both an "add to the end of the queue" option and a "play immediately after the current song" option so much ;-;
But there is one? At least on my phone, there's a "play next" and an "add to queue"; play next plays it after current song, add to queue adds it to the end
I switched to Spotify when GPM moved to YTM so I've just got their queue function now sadly
This is the whole reason I switched to Apple Music. I loved Google Play Music, but I really didn't like the switch to YouTube Music and sorely missed this feature on Spotify.
And I'm still mourning the loss
And I'll never forgive them for it.
I don't buy music, I "borrow" music
It just happened to be in my files, I don't see the problem.
All these people talking about how they lost music when the service provider went defunct... you know what can never be taken from you? Files that you physically own.
And sometimes you can even borrow them for free forever!
Keep your physical copies, keep your digital files, keep backups stashed in case of unexpected system failure. Those files are yours and you're free to make as many copies as you want, so use that right.
Mood. Even as a child if I liked a song on the radio I was getting that album from the library popping that sucker in my computer and copying that. I got so much ACDC from movie sound tracks that way.
Spotify exists
Spotify is life.
you pirate music like a normal person
who pays for music
I still have my CDs from the nineties. I ripped them and play on VLC media player.
the only music i ever paid for was "apetite for destruction" on cd and that's only because i found it amusing that it was being sold in my usual grocery store
I pay for music I like from people I like. When I find an artist I like I'll look them up in every conceivable way to find out if I can buy their music directly as an MP3. If I can find even 1 of their songs like that (usually on Bandcamp) then I'll pay as much as I would for all of their music I want (if given the "pay what you want" option like on Bandcamp) and pirate anything I can't find that way.
Bandcamp is really the only exception
I never cared about the Apple/Android debate until Apple completely fucked me over.
I got an iPod Touch, my first Big Kid tech device, when I was 11-12. I also had a very basic Samsung phone that was pretty much only for texting and calling. Eventually I was ready to upgrade and got an iPhone so I wouldn't always have two devices on me.
Here's where it gets messy: I had always used my mom's Apple ID which was (name)@verizon.net. At one point we switched to Comcast so it became (name)@comcast.net. I guess we never properly switched it on my iPod. So the day comes to transfer my data (notably lots of photos of my now deceased dogs and nearly 1,000 songs), and I'm suddenly locked out of my iPod. It wanted me to put my ID in but would recognize neither the verizon nor comcast email. I called customer support, and they said that the verizon email did not exist in their system. Despite the fact that it was the same account simply with a different email, there was nothing I could do.
TL;DR I got locked out of my iPod and lost everything I had saved on it because Apple apparently can't keep track of shit.
sorry it's been over a decade and i'm still bitter. none of the three dogs i had at that time are still alive and i have so few pictures of them.
this post is so painfully 2010. people who still perpetuate the "android bad" joke still unironically laugh at le epic rage comics im pretty sure
It's still a thing, I've seen posts about this this year.
I stream music from websites like spotify out of convenience, but I have been shifting away from that in favor of downloading and playing music files locally on my personal devices.
Fun fact: most smartphones habe a files app you can use to download and store files, including audio files like music.
Also fun fact: while it is more work that streaming, if you go hunting you can download music you want, and you can use it for years to come.
An MP3 file can be copied near infinitely to any device.
I've been struggling to find decent methods of downloading music. Most legal stores have DRM built in and most piracy options I've found just rip MP3s from YouTube videos and I end up with low quality audio versions of music videos where there's a bunch of setup or weird sfx before or on top of the song
most music artists have an auto generate channel that has the official recordings with just a static image of the corresponding album cover in the background
Yes sorry what I meant is that most websites I've found that are supposed to facilitate batch downloading an artist, an album, or a playlist usually just pick the first YouTube result. I could individually download mp3s from YouTube but I was hoping to eventually find a website that either carries higher quality files or at least makes it easier to get a bunch at once
yt-dlp is a command line utility that makes it really easy to download things from youtube https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp and you can download playlists and write scripts with it.
soulseek
I've got a file set up on my phone for when I'm traveling or just get bad service. I still use Spotify to help me find new artists and songs but those artists usually have a website or YouTube channel or something. Even if money isn't a limiter for you, it still makes sense to make sure the things you like are, and will continue to be, accessible.
Most smartphones also have downloadable music players as well. I use AIMP.
i started doing this a while ago and it's the best. mostly because a lot of the music i like isn't on Spotify but also when it is on Spotify it randomly gets deleted
i’m an apple user, i can’t figure out how to queue up music in my files, any tips?(aside from getting a better operating system obviously)
Instead of using the Files app, try using a media player like VLC.
I've been doing this since the original iPhone. Android makes it easier, of course.
Actually, now that I think about it, I think I even did it on a flip phone. Memory was as abysmal as you'd expect, though, so it's not like I had multiple playlists.
i back when i had a flip phone i remember looking up music on youtube and then just being extra careful so that the phone doesnt close in my pocket.
Either the hardware/software or my connection made the browser too slow to even consider downloading anything. As a positive, the browser was also too bare bones and primitive to load ads
The thing is I did that before streaming but streaming is more practical because I don't stick with the same few albums all the time and like being able to find something random that I suddenly am in the mood for. And local storage is impractical for portable devices when you're not going anywhere that doesn't have data or wifi. So even when I go camping I select the download for offline option for a few things.
It all depends on your own needs.
I usually pirate. It's not like the artists get money from the purchases anyway.
If you buy it on Bandcamp, the artists get 80-85%, and slightly more on physical purchases.
Love Bandcamp. The artist actually gets paid, AND the user experience isn't fucking dogshit!
For long- it was recently bought out by a much larger company, so I expectb it to plunge into mediocrity before long, and a new site called something like BandBand CampCamp or something to spring up to replace it. And I'll do my duty to combat the Great Enshittening by swapping there as well.
God fucking dammit why are rich people and mega corporations always ruining the good things in life?
and now I have to pay for music.
Worth it. Bandcamp artists are the shit.
I just buy things off Bandcamp. You get FLAC files from that. Dunno how long it'll last though I hear they had some trouble with Epic a while back
old man named SoulSeek:
right? everyone in here saying "spotify" like slsk isn't a better option
Some people still buy music?
I simply rip the music out of my video game files and play those as sketchy mp3s
Youtube Music Revanced Extended
Honestly I wish I had a big collection of physical media instead of streaming music. I have a decent Sony walkman and some cassettes, along with vinyl and minidisc, but most of my music is "downloaded" from Spotify via premium.
If there was an automated process to rip stuff from Spotify to cassette/minidisc I'd do that, but as is I'm too lazy to do it all manually.
soundboard on android probably not on ios, can use spotify and youtube music repos to "borrow" mp3 files, can also stream music from either
Buy music? What means this word "buy"?
It's where you pay someone to pirate from them, I think. According to a quick google, at least.
I am not jealous of their camera I am not jealous of their camera I am not jealo
Remember! Be vigilant because if you get an android, you'll have green text bubbles! That's bad, apparently!
Wait why is green bad? its my fav 💚🥺
I thought green meant good at this point 🥺
Because apple and their drones believe marketing via social ostracization/peer pressure of young/dumb people is a good marketing strategy, and clearly theres no steps to making that shit illegal
Capitalism says otherwise. Sorry, bud, but them's the rules.
blue is the new green!💙💚
No >:( green the best 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
this was a wall e reference llo
I also like green
np 💚 thats ok :)
i like green
green cool
East Asia: "They're the same picture."
(explanation: the Chinese ideogram for "blue" used to encompass greens)
Apparently they’re both glass rectangles that can make calls and install apps, but really just grab your data for our AI overlords.
Yeah, but the ones with less marketing are lamer!
What you should be jealous of is our styluses
I AM THEYRE SO FUCKING COOOOOL
YOU use google play music, I pirate all of mine
I buy CDs, rip them to my computer that still has an optical drive, then move the MP3 files onto my phone using the USB port that my phone has.
This isn't even a funny one man, this is just a weird apple jerk off
...you guys buy music?
posts from 2013
The disc drive is usually on the temple or belly button.
Imagine making brand loyalty part of your personality
Just look it up on youtube jesus
I use apple music on my android lol
I upgraded my iPhone from 8+ to like 13 or something and I swear they made the camera worse. Sacrificed half of the zoom so you can make a fisheye shot for some reason.
i... use... bandcamp? what do apple users do? is bandcamp not available on iphones? damn, iphones are worse than i thought.
Piracy
Oh, thats easy.
I buy the CD, rip the files from it as .flac, then save them to my phone, and an external hard drive in case anything gets lost or stolen.
Bro, we pirate
people with androids are probably rich anyway. those things are expensive as fuck
I bought mine for $50 lol
for real? dang i have to get one myself. admittedly having a humanoid robot in the house would be kinda creepy, but that's outweighed by the advantages
The trick is to get them secondhand from giffgaff, with a PAYG sim.
I’m sure the comments here will be civil
Spotify/Amazon Music. Like a normal person.
How old is that post?
People buy music? What is wrong with you?
We use VCL Media Player and download mp3s like everyone else.
Not anymore we don't
You people with your unlimited data plans and reliable signals, my music library is all mp3s I ripped myself from CDs or acquired from... places, saved to local memory.
They dont.
Y’all are walking right past the joke…. Androids like humanoid robots
YouTube to mp3 downloader
Youtube search "madness combat project nexus ost"
We have lots of ways and we even have a headphone port
We don't. We just play music using youtube or other apps.
I don't buy music, I download it and put the mp3s on my phone.
who on earth pays actua money for music wtf
The only time I buy music is if it's only available on Bandcamp.
And I listen to it on an app called Muzio, but you can technically add it to your Spotify library if you want.
Its just the same way you put music on your iPod, except easier because you don't have to deal with iTunes. Just plug it in to your computer, and copy the music on to your phone.
If you are not tech literate enough to do that then it's your problem.
OK but I was so annoyed when Google inevitably killed Play Music. No I will not accept you transferring my downloaded songs to YouTube premium, it's a completely different thing! I spent like £50 on music probably. Downloaded it on my laptop before they shit-canned the whole thing though, so that's something.
I download YouTube videos on my desktop, then load the mp3 files onto the sd card which I put in my phone. Then play it with a dedicated app.
I like having the actual files rather than streaming
The fact that the original google music doesn't exist anymore and everyone collectibly forgets google play music is a thing
YouTube music / SoundCloud / yarrrrr
Bro I forgot android was a phone company and I was imagining someone putting a floppy disk in an actual android person 💀
Its always funny toe when iphone users brag about a solution implemented in android decades ago , you put your music on an sd card and you put it in your phone and when you get another phone you take out the sd card and put it in your new phone 😂😂
I just buy cds and copy them onto my laptop?
USB-C and Completely Legal Measures.
As an android user, I know what happens. We don’t listen to music that needs to be bought; we exclusively listen to nerdcore on YouTube
nah screw itunes and apple music, shit downloaded U2 on my playlist and now everything’s ruined, I’ll stick with pandora and spotify thanks
Bro wtf is that person even talking about 🤨
I dl music then put it into a folder to keep it perfectly organized and use musicolet to play it. Great music app imo.
The secret ingredient is crime
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wait, people don't just drag and drop the entire discography of Weird Al into a music folder and use the integrated mp3 player?
Buy music? I don't understand.
I do use YouTube music bc you get the bundle of YouTube without ads and the whole music library, but I do feel humiliated every time this comes up in conversation.
i just pirate music and put it on my phone
Despite literally reading this post on an android phone, somehow I thought they meant android as in a humanoid robot
"Is there a port or something they just stick it into?" Me: what?!?
Do people still buy music? I just use Spotify.
not really engaged in the whole discourse about android v apple, but apparently apple still doesn't have proper third party app integration which by itself makes the decision for me