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that’s what i should’ve done
Why? There is no obligation to transfer someone. The manger was insensitive. But such is life. He should have just quit at that point if he was denied the transfer.
the manager was insensitive from this perspective, but we have no idea what OP is like, they may just be perceiving it that way.
i did my job.
I don't think they were questioning your work ethic; based on the reason given for denying your request, it's clear that you were doing your job. I think they just meant that it's possible you took the denial more personally than it was intended.
Regardless, you probably wouldn't have gotten any traction with HR. I think the move would have been to reach out to SMs at other locations or to your DM. You went to your boss, and he didn't want to lose you, so I doubt he mentioned it to anyone else. But if you're valuable enough for him to want to keep you, you're valuable enough that the DM would rather see you move than quit.
Just try not to make it sound like an ultimatum. Say you need to move to overnights for personal reasons, and that you really want to find a position within the company that will work.
thanks for coming at me respectfully. but all my mangers knew i wanted the move. i asked at least once a week, watched all my other coworkers leave so more on the work was put on me. i had to train the new people, i got in trouble when they messed up, they put me on different side quests while i still had to do my original job. i can accept taking on more responsibilities but when i’m mentally fragile i fly off the bar and it’s a bad headspace. if all my other coworkers could leave within a week, that just made me increasingly angry but i still didn’t lash out. it wasn’t until i had a mental breakdown when my health plummeted did they actually put any effort into giving me the move i wanted.
Sometimes people want to move shifts and are denied. They likely needed more help on the day shift than the night shift which is why they didn’t move you. They are under no obligation to switch your shift. They gave you the option of keeping your current shift or leaving the company.
“i can accept taking on more responsibilities but when i’m mentally fragile i fly off the bar and it’s a bad headspace.“
Then the answer going forward is:
No. You can’t accept taking on more responsibilities.
There’s nothing wrong with that, but if you know you have a predilection for mental fragility, then don’t claim to be able to accept more responsibilities. You will only set yourself up for failure. I’m an excellent swimmer but I’m not foolish enough to accept an assignment as a rescue swimmer or jump into a torrential flood to play rescuer.
So?
are you dense?
You did your job? What does that have to do with asking for a transfer?
are you dense?
Okay so now i can see why someone would be upset by you, good luck out there.
i’m a respectful person i just don’t tolerate bs.
give me a break lol. Go to HR and try to waste their time with something like this and see how that goes.
Yeah the amount of people who don't understand what HR actually is, makes me laugh. What HR is, is exactly in the name. They are human resources, that means they treat humans like resources for the company. You can flower it up with company bullshit to make them seem like guidance councilors but their real job is documenting stuff to make sure there is not grounds for lawsuits, which from the above info there is absolutely none, so they would prob remember them as an annoying asshat and be ready to replace them with someone less self centered and dramatic.
True no obligation. But he didn't because of what he needed, not what was best for the company.
He's the type of manager who would rather a crappy employee get promoted in order to keep his star.
Calling HR isn’t for being denied the transfer but for the inappropriate comment telling them to quit. Especially if OP mentioned anything related to a toxic work environment or declining mental health, the manager’s response enables that toxic environment which is HR’s area of expertise
about what?
Mental health is a health issue and if diagnosed with panic attacks and under a doctor would you tell someone needing adjustments due to being in a wheel chair 'well if u can't manage the stairs just quit'
its not a health issue unless diagnosed, and even then you can be let go if you cannot be reasonably accommodated. An expectation for working retail is that you have to deal with customers, if you cannot deal with customers that is still grounds for dismissal. Even moreso the employee has demonstrated that is not the case as apparently they are also one of the best workers despite having "panic attacks" which really just doesnt add up, because how can you be doing the job while having a panic attack? Reasonable accommodation for panic attacks would be to have a space for the employee to retreat to. If its happening all the time it is no longer reasonable to hire them.
The technical term for this would be "undue hardship"
and do what? say that my manager refused to transfer me? Youre hilarious
Say that I advised my manager of a mental health issue and he said for me to quit then
you asked to be transferred, he tried and couldnt do it, you continued to complain, so he said that you either wait or quit. Those are literally your options.
The refusal isn't the issue the lack of professionalism and care is
thank you
i quit.
"Cool, I'm gonna go home now...Good luck."
"alright!"
Bye Felicia
Your mom didn't tell me to quit last night.
i like this one
Ok, mail me my check
Love it. "I don't want you to leave because you're one of the best! But also, you can just quit because whatever."
exactly. exactly. exactly.
No comeback needed. Just walk out. Quietly, without doing any more work. Block em and get a new job making the same amount tomorrow. You're replaceable to them but they're also replaceable and need to be reminded.
"Quit your current job over a comment your manager made before finding a new job to financially support yourself, because there's lots of jobs out there and they'll just hire you on the spot!"
That's what I did.
Didn't even miss a payday.
Move me or I will quit. You want to lose 'one of the best' over the time of day I work, that's your failed management strategy.
I’m going to if it comes to that.
quiting is for rehab... i aint going to quit
Do something that gets you fired then claim unemployment. Just call in sick until they fire you or do some other stupid shit.
In NY, unemployment laws are very heavily skewed in favor of the former employees. When I was a pharmacy manager I was a witness at an unemployment claim. The kid we fired was caught on camera stealing $50 from the register. He was still granted unemployment benefits by the department of labor
I have been putting up with it, and you’re losing me either way. Either you transfer me or I quit.
Say “since i am so necessary in my department wouldnt it be a burden for the team if i just quit? If i get approved for the other shift i wont have to quit and i may move back to that department later.” or you could say “i appreciate your honesty but i feel that my usefulness to this company ends when i quit and i would like to continue providing the same quality service with another department or shift unless real change is made regarding my current working conditions.” or you could say “but all my ice cream will melt in the broom closet if i quit.”
F you you can just fire me 'slap in the face'
Ok. I quit.
Essentially call their bluff and watch them panic. Even if they don't, they still have to go through the inconvenience of training or at least finding new staff.
I don’t think there is a “comeback” for this. There is a conversation that could be had.
“Help me understand - you don’t want to transfer me because I’m one of the best, meaning you don’t want to lose me, while simultaneously inviting me to quit if I don’t like it, which would also result in losing me. It feels less like you don’t want to lose me and more like you don’t want me to thrive and be happy within this company.”
People will either get it or they won’t. And honestly as soon as someone starts throwing around the “if you don’t like it you can quit” dialogue, it’s already over. They don’t get it and never will.
i walked out a year and a half later and so did a few other coworkers. the store failed that seasonal inventory and almost half of upper management was booted. last i heard the store manager that i had talked about in this post became a team lead at another store and he has daily tantrums because people do not like him and won’t listen. not to mention the whole time he managed the store i was at, he regularly threatened people’s jobs until he himself was fired by corporate, for several reasons.
When I was in high school, I worked as a busboy for a fairly upscale restaurant at a local hotel. I had already given my notice, and was working out the two weeks. One Friday night, I was scheduled to be out at 8PM. I had made plans for a side job cleaning carpets the next morning at 7AM, and was looking forward to an early night. The manager came to me and told me I had to close because the guy who was scheduled was going to leave early. I told him I'm scheduled 'til 8, do with me what you will, but I'm not staying until close because I had to work early in the morning. He asked me "Which job do you want, this one or that one?" I took off my apron and said "THAT one, thanks. See ya sometime!"
He stood there in disbelief as I walked out.
i love that for you.
Quit? I thought we had to be sold.
The only comeback is to contact HR and let them know about the situation.
I’d walk out without saying a word, especially if it were some bullshit retail or foodservice position.
"You want my resignation now or later?"
Oh no, I won't quit. I've got too much spite left, and ideas on how to use it. And yes, This is a true statement.
You can still call the HR department and tell them the reason you quit.
HR is not going to be happy that you quit and now they have to work trying to recruit, hire and retain a different employee just because a manager could not find a schedule that better fit your needs.
I worked at a corporate office and something like this happened to me. I went in person to corporate with my husband. I told them how bad I needed the job but I was forced to quit because of a manager.
They told me that anytime I was ready to go back, I should do it.
I learned from a friend at work that the manager was no longer working there. So i called HR and reminded them of our conversation. They told me to just show up like nothing happened.
I was also given a higher pay and no performance evaluation.
“So I’m one of the best but you’re willing to risk me quitting? You get how stupid that sounds right?”
That's about the angle I was thinking too
They need you. You, obviously are very employable. Make sure all this info is in writing or you write in down right after a conversation with time and date. You may not want to sue but a paper tail helps put things in order. Your mental health is #1. Don't let them tell you that you are lucky to have a job, NO, They are lucky to have you.
I once had someone pass me up for promotion and gave it to someone else who wasn't even there 3 months. His reasoning was that "He didn't have anyone who could replace me as a busser cause I was the best. I gave my 2 weeks the next day. He wasn't happy about it either but WTF did he actually expect?
"I quit" is a perfectly good response. Exactly what you did.
Very shortsighted on the manager's part. Hope you had an exit interview and let them know you had wanted to stay.
Quitting is for my AA meetings. I’m just downgrading from employee to customer.
Your comeback should have been to HR about being forced to work in a hostile work environment and that you requested a transfer to a different shift. Inform them your manager knows about the issues and told you to either shut up or quit.
Manipulative much? Imagine you’re the manager reading this false narrative
Your health is more important and I’m sorry 😢 you had to deal with a bunch of assholes!Anxiety is awful I have it.I would quit not worth your health friend.wish you the best😇❤️🥰
Oh so if I’m one of your best then you’ll be giving me a raise or a promotion and a raise then right? I mean certainly my hard work and dedication has been noticed because you’ve just said so yourself, this isn’t one of those places that manipulates and uses their workers right? RIGHT!?
Sorry I’m confused but you specify “my current (at the time)department”..means in the meantime you actually got moved somewhere else?
they kept me in the dept i wanted to leave for two months before they finally let me go to the overnight shift. i probably should’ve worded that better, my bad
So not only did your manager, put you in the department you wanted to be in THEN gave you what you wanted, when it made sense for the company to do so?
What are you even complaining about at this point??
are you dense?
wtf?
They quit smoking and or smoke inside is very bad
You have the number for HR?
tried to get transferred back to my old shift multiple times, hr never approved it.
talked to the manager of my whole building, and got it approved within a week.
“OK Bye!”
HR doesn’t protect the employee it protects the company.
Don’t be one of the best at a JOB when your end goal is a CAREER. And no matter how open they say their open door policy is, never let them see you sweat…meaning JOB managers don’t care about you, your feelings, or your future. You’re using them and they’re using you. This is a no comeback zone…unless you’re able and willing to bounce. In that case…ask us again 😈
Ok, I quit
"I don't quit. Just ask your mom"
“Okay.”
“Okay”
I'd say, "okay" and walk right out at that very moment. No notice.
UPDATE: in case anyone missed it in the comments, this from OP:
“they kept me in the dept i wanted to leave for two months before they finally let me go to the overnight shift. i probably should’ve worded that better, my bad”
The only comeback for "or you can just quit" is to "just quit".
Employment is work at will; it may seem insensitive, but the company is trading money for output. They don't have any obligation to cater to a need based on emotional / mental considerations, unless and until you have a medical provider approve an FMLA or ADA condition, and then they must accommodate in a "reasonable" manner.
Setting the reason aside, a company has no obligation to fulfill requests like this. If they don't, then you have a decision to make: continue to work from this employer, or choose a different one?
Harsh? I don't think so. Practically accurate. If your mental/emotional situation is impacting your work situation, I'd strongly urge you to follow the processes in place to officially establish a diagnosis with limitations/needs spelled out, so that existing laws and regulations can help both you and your employer navigate this effectively without a need for a 'comeback'.
Good luck and I hope you find something that works well for your situation!
Line up a few job interviews so you don’t feel trapped then mention to your boss you’ve been patient and now it’s his turn to make good on your request
"I have a right by labor laws to request working hours, if you're threatening my job over something as simple as trying to be more efficient because you can't hire other qualified employees. Then, maybe I'll see what HR has to say about your terrible recruitment process"
Probably gonna have to quit.
Ok, I'll stop for my last check tomorrow.
The manager is not obligated to let you change shifts. I have to be honest, you seem kind of entitled to that change. You do not decide what you do at work. It's a mutual agreement between you and your boss. You're currently doing what you were hired to do. If you'd like that to change, it needs to get approved. If it's a deal breaker it won't get approved, then it's your time to leave. It's not personal. I'm not advising you to put up with it. I'm advising you the thing to do is to quit or deal with it. A comeback is probably not what you want to do. If you want your boss to like you and approve your changes, probably lose the entitled attitude, or just go somewhere else.
Say "okay" and do so lol. Night shift is a hard position to fill! They should be thankful
Only quitters quit, and I ain’t no quitter.
I resign.
Honestly I’d say OK in a cheerful voice then quit immediately.
Let’s see what HR has to say about this. Then just turn in your resignation and go somewhere else. However, if you legitimately have anxiety, all you need is a Dr to confirm it and the company is obligated to provide you reasonable accommodations, such as a transfer or shift change.
You should have talked to HR about this instead of your manager, probably would’ve gone much better.
At least I’m CURRENTLY employed, unlike….some of us
I believe the proper response was or I can talk to h.R about why my manager is trying to intimidate me into leaving work instead of working with me to change my schedule.
telling people they are free to leave the job is hardly intimidation, its usually in the contract.
Sounds like middle management speak to me.
Actually quit. It really throws them when you say, “okay” and just start packing your shit and head towards the door.
They love any excitement in their boring ass work day. So, it may seem like it throws them, but you did provide them with something stimulating by impulsively quitting. (I'd do the same). They give you shit in the first place because part of them wants you to quit so they can get a little brain chemical spike, which probably beats their usual coffee addiction that has little to no effect on their mood anymore. What they get if you DON'T quit, is the benefit of their smug ego affirmation via the powertrip. Bosses almost always win these things in THEIR minds, because let's face it...their entire lives revolve around their job. They probably have a boss too that does the same shit to them so they feel justified in how they treat their employees. And I almost guarantee they lay in bed at night and think of some form of vindication for their sense self-loathing. There's a reason I don't take management positions even though I am more than qualified.
“You think I won’t? Retail jobs are understaffed everywhere with comparable pay. You need me more than I need you. If you care that little about staff mental health and productivity maybe quitting is the best option. Have fun training someone who has less work ethic.”
If this is all medically documented? The best response is is "Ok" and then walk out. Labor board will get you your unemployment
medically? - if you quit you are not going to get unemployment.
There are exceptions to that. Medical non compliance, hostile work environment, even cutting their hours can still net them unemployment
there is a big difference between that and what actually happens. Telling someone they can quit, even in the coldest way possible is not that.
“Your terms are acceptable”. And then grab your shit and walk out.
"I guess I'll become one of the worst, until you transfer me out"
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Cool just going to call HR/corporate