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On examination, it looks like it's too low resolution to actually make out fine details like text. Most somebody could probably pull is the state, based on the design of the card itself. But it does in fact look like some kind of personal ID card.
It might not be enough to get exact details, but a dedicated person with some advanced deconvolution algorithm (likely AI-assisted) could probably get a probability distribution of the potential text, and if the space is small enough, could use it in a brute-force attack for identity theft. They'd have to be very dedicated though, have a lot of computing power, and really really want this person's information. Obviously, someone with that level of dedication and expertise would just go for a phishing attack instead (or just go on the darknet and buy 10000 stolen credit card numbers for $0.50 a pop), but still, better safe than sorry!
I prayed God will protect her from all who would seek to harm her.
How do you know so much about this? And what’s a Christian atheist?
I used to do radio astronomy and now I do astronomy data reduction with machine learning as well as deep learning assisted Bayesian inference for theoretical astrophysical models. Which all involves deconvolution algorithms and probabilistic sampling. I also also have a casual interest in cryptography and cyber security.
keoaries provided a good practice to prevent identity theft
On Google phones there's a feature called "Magic Eraser". Just gonna say this: you can create some pretty ghoulish images if you use it too much.
The problem with having your ID visible like this isnt necessarily the pictures you take but the pictures strangers take.
There are literally millions of people posting pics on the internet. Why pick this girl to say these things to. ? Because she's a Christian ?
Im not talking about this girl in particular. Im talking in general it isnt smart to walk around with your ID visible like this.
I noticed it too. Not ideal in all public spaces either.
That’s a weird designed ID.
Very pretty!
This thread got big real fast lol. Currently 3rd top voted thread in the past week. The 1st top voted thread is a video of a girl lol. Tells you much about the demographics of this sub's users.
Welcome to Reddit. Not specifically this sub lol
What do you mean
The demographics of Reddit
What do you mean?
Honestly, it suits you. It just looks natural for you to wear it.
It seems to me that whatever sort of religious reasoning might motivate wearing a veil, posting about it on the internet for compliments kind of undermines that
Maybe she will like wearing a veil. It does compliment her. In addition, she is a redhead and it will prevent her from getting sunburned.
Vanity and oppression served up for votes. Gross behavior.
I’m an ex-Trad Catholic agnostic, so I’m certainly familiar with the harmful ideology behind a lot of pro-veiling arguments, but I think individual Christians can absolutely find it personally empowering and not be vain in their veiling journeys. Perhaps OP truly does feel like it deepens her relationship with God. And as I’ve deconstructed, I’ve come to realize that other people’s outfits are really none of my business. It’s generally not good to assume people’s motives unless they give us explicit reasons to do so.
There is a risk to veiling, which is the prospect of veiling to stand out or separate yourself from others (i.e., vanity). Personally this is my reason for not veiling. I'd like to, but I know to do it at this point in my faith would be more about other's perceptions, and therefore my own vanity. Posting about it with pictures does suggest this could be an issue.
You look beautiful. Please, bear no shame.
You made it work very well with this outfit.
Just know that none of this is required. Modestly is subjective to your culture, and the American culture does not expect hair coverings.
People at /r/Catholicism would absolutely adore this.
I understand people wanting to dress more modestly. I dont understand how this is modest. I mean peoples heads are not immodest so how does a head covering suddenly make it modest.
If your just wearing veils because you think they are pretty or cause you see other people wearing one and want to do it too, go for it. But saying its cause you want to be more modest is weird to me.
Edit: also probably not a good idea to have your license or id on your phone if your posting stuff on the internet like this. I dont think anyone can pull anything from it but its something to watch out for.
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dirty... sinful ankles and hair
Why did I read this in Smeagol's voice
Modesty takes different forms in different cultures. Outside of some very legalistic religious circles like Islam, you won't find many western cultures who view women's hair as immodest. Imagine a man wore a robe from Jesus' day for the sake of "modesty" in America. It would attract a lot of attention and seem almost to be like the pharisees - showing off one's religiosity for the sake of recognition.
The deeper heart issue here is there's a young lady, who like many of us, is seeking some sort of identity and wants to belong to something. Wearing or not wearing the scarf is the wrong question. The proper question is how are we identified as children of God, and I think the scripture is clear here that if your starting point is clothing - you are going down the wrong path. I have traveled the world and live abroad myself and have known many amazing believers in the Americas, Europe, all over Asia, and Africa. Physically and clothing-wise they share few similarities but what makes me feel instantly at home with them is their heart and the Word they have placed their hope in.
Is the scarf moddest? Like the commenter above me, I agree that no, it's just a fashion accessory. Is it a sin to wear it? By no means and you should wear what you want, but please don't tell people you're wearing it for religious reasons. You can just tell people you like how it looks and keep your other reasons to yourself.
But it may be religious reasons for her. If it helps her connect to her faith, it's religious, or maybe spiritual is the better word. Just because she may not be part of a sect or tradition that wears veils doesn't mean it's not religious. If clothing is the defining factor of faith then it could be wrong, but if clothing helps a personal faith journey, there is not harm in it and there maybe great blessing in it. There is Biblical backing for women to cover their hair.
The main point however is that if this young woman feels that covering her hair will bring her further on her own spiritual journey, then that is all we need to know. Her faith journey, her religion, her spirituality is served by this.
What makes you think God is interested in religion?
Where did I mention God? I was talking about an individual's religion and spiritual journey. How they approach God, not how God feels about it. And how do you know God isn't?
Religions all center upon either a deity external to this universe; or they claim deification within. There is no reason for humanity to pursue connection with deity apart from desiring either relationship with that deity and / or the hopes of pleasing said deity so they may be rewarded. Therefore, what deity thinks is of paramount importance!
There is only one real Deity, and this is what He has to say about His expectations for those who would seek Him:
"The time is here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” (John 4)
In His Word, our God does indeed tell us His thoughts regarding modesty, and He also declares how woman is the glory of both God and Man; and what He has given to woman -a crown of glory as a special covering before the angels; her hair. So according to His Word, covering up is not a part of modesty nor is it required to worship Him.
Never said it was required, but it is never banned either. And nothing this young woman wants to do is outside of what God has told us he wants so what is the harm? It isn't a sin and if it furthers her faith journey and she does not see it as a deterrent, then who are you to say it's wrong? We can't know exactly what a deity thinks, we are merely human. If her understanding of God tells her this is an acceptable way for her to depend her faith and relationship and it is not explicitly banned then she right to do so. Because of her understanding if her faith and religion. I may not follow the same path because it would be performative for me and not make my relationship with God stronger. Neither of us is wrong or outside what God has revealed in His word so it is our determination of the relationship that matters because it's already within His determination.
what is the harm?
False modesty is a lie. Lies are harmful.
Seeking to appease evil by copying its dictates is wrong. It allows evil to flourish unchecked and makes it appear a legitimate behavior.
Just look a muslims. They pretend the reason women are required to cover their bodies is modesty, but they have no interest in purity. The covering up of their women began in Mohammad's day. It was actually an attempt by their parents to protect them from drawing the sexual interest of Mohammad's raping band of criminal followers; who were stirred up to burning desire by Mohammad and his teachings. Now, it has become just another form of oppression whereby Lucifer can crush the life out of the gender he detests most.
It is foolish to copy their example by wearing headscarves. There is no Biblical precedence for wearing them. Doing so is therefore false modesty. Lucifer loves it, God is not impressed.
EXCELLENT observations and comment. Thank you for sharing.
It was a christian symbol of submission in the Old Testament. After Jesus, it was no longer a requirement as it was part of the Old Covenant. Long hair became the veil for women, and this sort of veil is not required. But women still do as a form of submission to God (mainly during mass) and their husbands. In Catholicism, black and white veils represent either “married” or “single”.
It's a sign of humility and submission before God, as well as de-emphasizing the things which we consider outwardly beautiful about ourselves. It's the same reason why nuns wear habits, as well as why Jews wear yarmulkes.
Its a sign of humility to bring attention to yourself?
I consider the face far more beautiful than hair...
It was a christian symbol of submission in the Old Testament. After Jesus, it was no longer a requirement as it was part of the Old Covenant. Long hair became the veil for women, and this sort of veil is not required. But women still do as a form of submission to God and their husbands. And do not take that last part as offense, because the Word is very clear on that one.
It’s based on 1 Corinthians 11, which tells women to cover their heads when they pray
They would love this over in r/modestdress! I'm trying to dress more modestly, and it's tough when you don't feel supported by those around you. You look great!
Feeling modest, might delete later IDK.
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I would say that it is certainly within Christian freedom to do so, but not required because Jesus was the ultimate completion of the covenant.
Me too! It's hard to find things. I have been trying get out fits from the 1950s there cute some are modest
I’m a lurker of this sub (I’m agnostic and wouldn’t identify as a Christian per se) but I think you look absolutely lovely and I’m proud of you for wanting to explore this way of expressing modesty! My friend is Catholic and recently decided to start veiling in Mass and I thought it was a very beautiful gesture.
Please don’t listen to some of the negative comments here - if you want to veil that is your choice! You don’t need to explain yourself in order to be respected. 🤍
You can make whatever fashion choices you like. Christianity has no dress code.
You say this is for modesty. But, what does modesty mean to you? If you're dressing in a distinctive way to show what a good Christian you are, that's actually the opposite of modesty. So just keep in mind your motivations and beware of pride.
1) doesn’t christianity encourage veiling in church?
2) Fair assessment but this is a positive from scripture if done correctly.
Does Christianity encourage it? Some denominations do. And it's also largely cultural, more than religious.
It could be done for positive reasons. And also people do it to show off that they are veiling. It's the motivations that matter here, not the clothes.
It encourages head coverings, which can be anything from a hat to a scarf to a cap to a beret. I’m not sure why everyone on here keeps using the term “veiling” as if women should only wear veils. It’s odd.
And beware of defensiveness when someone else shares a post about an activity. Defensiveness over appearance stems from vainglory, which is the opposite of humility.
You only wear it at church. No need to wear it on daily errands.
If the goal is modesty, more could be achieved by reducing the amount of bracelets and cosmetics instead of drawing more attention to yourself by adding a scarf. OTOH, if you enjoy wearing scarves that's fine.
You look very pretty.
I live in a protestant Christian community that veils (partially due to Paul’s direction, partially to join and respect our muslim and jewish community, as they also cover their head’s in prayer) and I have genuinely gained a respect and love for the practice, even if I myself am not veiling, it is cool to see this happening with other protestants too!
It's worth noting that Catholic (and Orthodox?) women typically only veil for Mass (Divine Liturgy).
So maybe just start wearing it to your church instead of just heading to school with it.
The Young People are yearning for Ancient Sacred Tradition.
What’s weird is the term “veiling” isn’t even that traditional, but seems to be a modern trad Catholic thing. It seems strange to hear Protestants using that terminology. There are old school Protestant churches where women wear head coverings (usually hats or little caps) but not veils, and they wouldn’t call it “veiling”. Heck, wearing “veils” in the US in Catholic Churches isn’t really that traditional either.
it looks natural and beautiful on you! God bless your journey!
By all means wear a scarf if you want to or find it helpful.
If you are posting it on social media is it really modest?
You look great but you should take this down bc it has your drivers license in it!!
Head coverings are great for cutting down on needing sunblock if you're spending a lot of time outside.
From personal experience as a male who's mostly bald, prone to sunburn, and has tried a lot of options: longer scarf style coverings are simple, but have a lot of practical downsides:
There's almost always spots that overlap, so you may wind up with "hot" spots if it's warm out.
It's particularly hard to get adequate face coverage without getting too hot if you're trying to prevent your mouth or nose from burning.
They don't stay in place well during vigorous activity or high winds.
They also bunch up if you try to use them in conjunction with a helmet or hard hat.
They're dangerous if you're operating drills, lathes, or other heavy machinery that rotates, since it poses a risk of either choking you or pulling you in.
My personal preference are sun balaclavas, though it can take some time to find ones that fit well since they often claik to be "one size fits all" but are designed for very different head sizes. If you're looking for pure practicality vs. fashion, you can even get them in hi-viz colors and even with reflective striping for better visibility at night.
I have neon yellow balaclavas in both lightweight fabric for summer and fleece lined ones for winter - paired with hi viz orange shirts / jackets it makes it a lot easier for my wife & kids to spot me in a crowd when we go out.
If you’re wanting to follow Scripture, the only place it’s mentioned is I Corinthians 11:5-6, as someone else mentioned, and only when praying or prophesying. If you want to for some reason, fine, although most people will probably assume you’re Muslim.
Well, if it is for modesty, you wouldn't really need any fancy veils anyway. Because then it wouldn't be about modesty, but about being a fashionable look-at-me-I-am-such-a-special-not-like-other-girls-Christian. And that really defeats the purpose. I think wearing it could have the effect of not actually making you feel closer to God (He doesn't care) but it would make you very self-conscious in that you would walk around 100% aware of how you look different and your mind would be on how others perceive you and how you want others to perceive you ("are people staring at me? what are they thinking? Am I weird? Do people judge me? How many people looks at me now? Do you wonder about my veil? Etc...." All thoughts centered around anything but God. So wear what you want but examine why. And examine if wearing it would cause your thoughts to center more around yourself than on God.
If the Lord would have you wear it.,..you are at peace.
If I saw you I'd just assume you were Orthodox wearing a babushka, but there's no doctrinal limitation to it or anything. Like non-Orthodox dudes can grow beards too, lol.
I think it looks like church. Like you look like you're on the way to church. It's what I associate headscarves on women with.
If a friend abandons you for covering your head, it wasn't much a friendship to begin with.
Well, if it is for modesty, you wouldn't really need any fancy veils anyway. Because then it wouldn't be about modesty, but about being a fashionable look-at-me-I-am-such-a-special-not-like-other-girls-Christian. And that really defeats the purpose. I think wearing it could have the effect of not actually making you feel closer to God (He doesn't care) but it would make you very self-conscious in that you would walk around 100% aware of how you look different and your mind would be on how others perceive you and how you want others to perceive you ("are people staring at me? what are they thinking? Am I weird? Do people judge me? How many people looks at me now? Do you wonder about my veil? Etc...." All thoughts centered around anything but God. So wear what you want but examine why. And examine if wearing it would cause your thoughts to center more around yourself than on God.
Well, if it is for modesty, you wouldn't really need any fancy veils anyway. Because then it wouldn't be about modesty, but about being fashionable. And that really defeats the purpose. I think wearing it could have the effect of not actually making you feel closer to God (He doesn't care) but it would make you very self-conscious in that you would walk around 100% aware of how you look different and your mind would be on how others perceive you and how you want others to perceive you ("are people staring at me? what are they thinking? Am I weird? Do people judge me? How many people looks at me now? Do they wonder about my veil? Do I look modest? I want to signal that I am a Christian? will people admire me? Does it look good?" Etc...." All thoughts centered around anything but God. So wear what you want but examine why. And examine if wearing it would cause your thoughts to center more around yourself than on God.
I remember lots of women of my Grandparents age used to wear a head covering even when not going to church.
I think it's something that should be brought back.
Part of the beauty of Protestantism is that if you want to do this and you think it’s biblically based then you pretty much can go ahead and just do it. You don’t really need to ask anyone for permission
Same with fasting etc. Just because other Protestants don’t, doesn’t have any bearing on whether you can
It suits you and you look beautiful in it; though as an Italian living in Italy I have to say that if I saw you here, I would definitely think that you could be a Muslim convert. It’s not the norm for Christian women here to cover their heads.
Love the veil, here’s a great book about the Vatican you can read on/before your trip!
Looks pretty cool. Very good job.
Fashion-wise I think you look adorable. I don't think anyone would say anything to you because I don't think anyone would assume the scarf was anything other than a fashion accessory.
Do what makes you happy and confident.
You go girl!!! I started head covering when I prayed around 7 years ago. It’s a journey, but Jesus loves your heart to be obedient to him!
Yes
I don't understand why the youths are headed to harder religion and trad cath stuff after so many have escaped it.
Ignorance and attention seeking.
What's up with Western women and their need to cover up??! A massive campaign started in Albania back in the 20s and culminated when the communists took over in the 40s until the 90s for the emancipation of women. A big, massive part was the removal of veil for both Muslim and Christian women. It was considered (by my late grandmothers and by many women of that generation that are still alive, still is) a sign of oppression, ignorance, and inferiority that does not belong in a civilised and modern world. Rised in that environment and by strong independent women, I find it difficult to comprehend Western world fascination with veiling and covering!
I think it's a difference between choice and being forced. Individuals choosing to veil without punishment either way and everyone being forced to veil with threat of punishment are very different situations
I'd say not having a shower and reeking is a choice, but you still must shower as frequently as possible. There are certain behaviours and norms that we have moved past as a society. Recycling them back is counterproductive and regressive. So, no, a headcover should not make a comeback. It's an oppressive and outdated garment.
Well you don't actually have to shower as often as possible even if others may appreciate more frequent showers. And again, choice versus force is a major difference. So is an individual choosing to do this compared to all having to do something
I’ve seen protestants Vieling before while in Church as well, looks great!
Lotta thirsty dudes in these comments
How do head covers work in Christianity? I know in some Muslim countries it's forced on women and I think that's wrong as men should have more self-control and not force women to conform to their lust. But in Christianity is it like an optional vow to God?
In Catholicism its (1) optional, and, (2) as a religious practice it's generally done at Mass or other times of worship.
There is a Bible verse in the New Testament about it. 1 Corinthians 11:5-6
[5] but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. [6] For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.
However, most people interpret that today as an optional or cultural commandment at the time it was written. I’ve heard the modern version compared to being modest in dress or even wearing a wedding ring. The only group that wears a lot of head coverings now are nuns. But some other people choose to, although it’s fairly rare.
That's neat I like this more traditional Christianity. I left Seventh-day Adventist to Anglicanism so I'm learning about traditional Christianity for the first time and it's very interesting.
If you don’t mind me asking, what led you to leaving Adventism? I currently going through a phase of deconstruction/analyzing my beliefs and hearing different perspectives would be greatly appreciated!
The main thing for me was their lack of hope and dogmatic approach to faith. Dogma is simpler to explain so I'll start there. Many believe in Young Earth Creationism and this leads to a rejection of science and a growing doubt that science is against God. I don't agree with these ideas and I'm a theistic evolutionist, but that's a very specific example. Something more general would be their stance on the Sabbath. Although biblical, it has not been observed by Christians for 2 thousand years. I believe that Sunday became the "day of the lord" to represent Christ's resurrection and our salvation (the only greater event than God's creation). Also, Seventh-day Adventists are very dogmatic believing they are right because they read the bible literally. my SDA grandfather told me Joshua stopped the Earth to make the sun and moon look like they were still (this would kill all life on Earth). Also, the sanctuary doctrine is unbiblical. The Bible says Jesus rose to the Father's right side and sat with the Father on his throne. The Most Holy place is where God is, therefore Christ being next to the Father means he was in the Most Holy place before 1844. My biggest reason for leaving though was their lack of hope. Seventh-day Adventists believe Christianity lost its way and they are the ones to continue Christianity with things like the sabbath, food laws, and the gift of prophecy. Also, they believe in a lot of end-of-the-world prophecies that say that Christianity will decline and decline while the world gets worse and worse. In my mind, this means God loses in the end. I'm an ammillienial so I believe Christ is reigning in heaven right now and that Christianity's mission is to spread God's kingdom across the Earth. I hope we are successful but I don't know if we will be so amillennialism allows for a decline of Christianity as well. Overall amillennialism is a hopeful future that still acknowledges the potential for failure, but still treats it like "failure is not an option". I also dislike the conspiracies and distrust that float around in SDA conversations as they make the world seem like the villain when Christ lived as part of the world and lived boldly to his faith. Christ endured evil, he didn't cower at evil, he didn't conform to evil, he didn't fix evil, he simply chose to be better than the world around him. And this is how I view Christianity, hope through hardship, light in darkness, even if the world is crumbling around you, you still fight for God. If you haven't seen the movie "The Road" or read the book by Cormac McCarthy you should. In that story, the apocalypse happens but a father and son continue to hold to their morals and their hope despite the violence of man being in full force. The world of "The Road" is not fixable and humanity will probably die shortly anyway, yet the father and son hold onto hope. That's Christianity in its pure form. I recommend reading a book called "Fear and Trembling" by Søren Kierkegaard or watching YouTube videos about the concept of "The Knight of Faith". It changed my perspective on faith. I'm sorry this message is so long but one last thing. My current situation might help you. I'm 18M and I converted to SDA when I moved into my grandparent's house. Everything I've talked about, I've learned over only a year and a half. I came to Christ when I was 17 and started with SDA, then fell into Binitarian SDA then pulled myself out of that heresy, and have now started attending an Anglican church. I am now a sort of Christian existentialist. God doesn't give us a purpose that we know about instead he gives us trials that point to him. Find God for yourself. With all these interpretations of scripture find one that calls to your faith and your reasoning. If you would like we can message on Reddit or somewhere else. I'm young in age and in faith but I want to help and I am seeking after Christ vigorously. If you have any questions please ask I'll try and reason them through with you. As it says in Proverbs "Iron sharpens iron, likewise one shall sharpen another." Believe that God rewards those who seek him, God be with you.
I would recommend you watch these two videos they're like 15 minutes in total. These two videos still influence me to this day and I go back to them often.
Joshua Graham: how to be a man: https://youtu.be/ma0clpGdQHI?si=C2xD9sipQ4mFo8kC Seventh Seal: Knight of Faith: https://youtu.be/8B_D0efnj7E?si=ErgkjH3DOXHhUvK_
Thank you so much for your response! Also if I sound confrontational, that’s not my intention whatsoever; I respect you, your beliefs, and the time you took to share them; I’m just trying to rationalize my (and your) beliefs to see what I should believe. I like to write out my thoughts and break them down that way. (Also if there are any Adventist lurkers, feel free to comment, I’m open to hearing all sides).
- Regarding Young Earth Creationism, especially as someone who wants to pursue a career in the medical field and is fascinated by science, that’s what I’ve been contemplating the most recently. I’ve been looking into theistic evolution and old earth creationism, so I guess I’ll see where that road takes me.
- Regarding the Sabbath, I still think I’m going to hold my stance on this one cause even if we disregard the commandment (feels so weird to say aewfoaenaeg) God rested on the 7th day of creation which seems like a clear enough precedent to keep the commandment he specifically told us to remember. Almost feels like he felt like we would forget due to tradition. Idk. Just a thought. I certainly don’t judge those who don’t though, not my place and not my relationship with God, it’s others’.
- Regarding Dogma, oh yeah I get what you mean. I’m going to be doing further research once I decide my stance when it comes to creation. On the point your grandpa made, to be fair, if God can raise multiple men to life and create the world, him being able to stop time without damaging anything doesn’t feel too impossible, though I get your skepticism for sure.
- Regarding the end of the world, some things are getting better, some are getting worse. I honestly don’t know, but Revelation does indicate things will get worse. Though to counter your point about God losing, i do believe one of the core tenets of Adventism is God’s triumph over evil eventually, but the thing is it’s not on this earth, but on a new heaven and a new earth that he’ll create. But I see. Amillenialsim. I’ll definitely look into it.
- Oh but yeah the thing where our church feels as if its the “chosen one“ makes me feel really uncomfortable because God’s people aren’t His people due to their denomination, they’re his people because they follow and exemplify the teachings of Christ, full stop. Not all adventists I know believe in the concept you mentioned, but many do, and I (personally) think it’s wrong.
- I think I resonate with what you said about villainizing the world. For one, yes, the Bible tells us to not be of the world, but at the same time, we live in it. We have a responsibility as Christians to love our neighbors and try to better it, and saying that we’re waiting for Christ to come back so we can be taken home and using that as an excuse to not do our part while we live here on earth is frankly, ridiculous. Not an adventist thing per se, but an ideology I’ve seen often.
- Love what you said about fighting for God. I really need to work on that myself; focusing on being more compassionate and loving like Christ is what I’m focused on right now. Especially patience. I can be so impatient 😭
- I’ll check out the stuff you recommended as well!
- Yo we’re pretty much the same age 😂 I was baptized back when I was 13 but my dad’s a lifelong Adventist and my mom converted when she was around my age. She has a really strong relationship with Christ, stays hopeful and loving, and I really look up to her when it comes to growing closer to Christ.
- That’s an interesting take about God and purpose! And i see what you mean. I believe similarly thought not exactly the same. I think we definitely have a purpose, although we may not always be sure of what it is. Heck we could have multiple purposes, to uplift others, to encourage others, etc. but i do agree that God creates avenues in order for us to find out who He is and I’m excited to be on this journey for sure.
- Sure, I’d love to discuss some more (although perhaps not right now; time zones) so if you don’t mind, I’ll message occasionally about new things i find out, whether it’s a belief that has been reaffirmed or changed completely; discussing theology is an enjoyable thing and iron does indeed sharpen iron. God bless you as well!
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I agree with a lot of the points you made. When it comes to the sabbath I definitely understand you wanting to keep it. As I said it's biblical so if you keep it, keep it in glory to God as I'm sure you're already doing.
I admire your drive to enter Healthcare, I would like to become a chaplain.
To explain a little more, I think people do have a God-given purpose, for example, Ecclesiastes says it's the whole duty of man to love God and keep his commandments. But Ecclesiastes also talks about the chance and seemingly absurd nature of life. (Ecclesiastes is my favorite book of the Bible) I think my beliefs are similar to yours where people have an unknown divine purpose and a purpose they find in life. Existentialism comes down to this: we exist but we don't know our purpose, let's find it. Some look to themselves for their purpose, some look to society for their purpose, and I believe at the end of that search is God and his love.
It's very late for me, so we can talk later. God bless you.
Enjoyed reading your comments. My thoughts lately are - if the Bible was not meant to be read separated into paragraphs and chapters then why do some people read Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 as a summary statement? Would appreciate your thoughts.
Hey, I've been getting more active on Reddit and with my faith. It's been very good to talk with others. Can you explain a little more what you mean by "summary statement"
Recently I’ve been searching for some sort of rationalization between evolution and creation. Then I thought what if He created the heavens and the earth way before he created the sun, moon, stars, plants, oceans, animals, then humans in 7 days. I tried searching for someone who has talked about it but haven’t come across anything yet. I did come across a video that said the first two verses in Genesis was a summary of the rest of the chapter.
I know of a few videos that might help.
ANALYSIS OF THEISTIC EVOLUTION: Inspiringphilosophy, Christianity vs Evolution: https://youtu.be/yf5ovSpS2GU?si=qybVOgbCHIRWK5Wb Inspiringphilosophy, can you be Christian and believe in evolution?: https://youtu.be/pwnerL8M1pE?si=dcPvQiTdDm-Pdg4a
DEFENSE OF THEISTIC EVOLUTION: Inspiringphilosophy, is theistic evolution adding to the text?: https://youtube.com/shorts/nxMJTH0dBBE?si=yAStXRjldvCXs-eJ Inspiringphilosophy, Adam and Eve in theistic evolution: https://youtu.be/dDWAABZQw_c?si=Br4iSrYEsA7qabPW Inspiringphilosophy, does Romans debunk theistic evolution?: https://youtube.com/shorts/knBSUxOGx7U?si=b19DsZZ9mzhQVmSK Inspiringphilosophy, is theistic evolution false teaching?: https://youtube.com/shorts/keWerQQwIdk?si=TH2V3jOjpEix1Rlf
GEN Z CHRISTIAN MINECRAFT SERVER RANT: RedeemedZoomer, why I believe in evolution: https://youtu.be/QM9IWx9TJ08?si=oslkRKnHKRgdNTaK
I believe in theistic evolution and not in literal creation but you can believe the world was created and still believe in theistic evolution. I don't understand how verses 1 and 2 could be a summary for the rest of the creation week. I gave some video links in another reply that explain theistic evolution and from there you can work out how it fits with creation and your beliefs.
Muslim, Mennonites and Hutterites still do
In Catholic Christianity, It’s a personal devotion.
I mean no direspect with anything I am about to say; I do not believe God requires modesty beyond an individual's cultural norms. I don't think you are doing anything wrong. You keeping being you until you find your best you.
In response to your question: I see a person distinctly not covering her hair, perhaps calling attention to it. I see a person who could be described as "bedecked in bangles". I see a person showing the skin of her arms. I do not see modesty.
To veil is to make oneself less attractive, no more, no less. I do not see a veil. I see an accessory. Nothing wrong with that, though.
I think you might change your mind if you knew WHY they wore head coverings. 😂
Why did they wear head coverings?
Well, actually nobody really knows completely from what I understand but I was listening to Michael Heiser’s podcast
(Naked Bible Podcast, it’s one of the best I’ve ever listened to, the man can even make Leviticus incredibly fascinating.)
So he was discussing this particular scholar (forget his name but can find out) who did his dissertation on head coverings. This guys conclusion was that the female hair was considered part of the genitalia, that the hairs were suction tubes so to speak that aided in the delivery of the semen to the womb for a successful pregnancy.
So, of course you would never come before YHWH, or be in the midst of others with your genitals exposed.
We have the benefit of modern science today obviously but back then they thought all kinds of things.
another was that the baby was 100% from the male sperm and the woman’s womb was nothing more than a holding cell while the baby grew. Something along those lines.
If I recall correctly this was the accepted view based on Hypocrites writings.
If you’re interested in listening to it I can dig it up.
Wh..at? e_e
Yup, y’all lost me with this one. The comments are truly sad.
What’s sad about them? They are largely very supportive
What's sad about it?
It's oppressive bullshit.
Your comment is very ironic. What happened to "my body my choice" by Progressive? If someone is willing to wear a veil voluntarily, it's their own choice. Not like this is hurting anyone.
A woman choosing what she wants to wear is oppressive? I was taught the opposite, but if you have a reason to back that up, let's hear it.
"Women should be able to express themselves however they want!"
"Noooo, only the ways I think are okay!"
lol. let her do her thing
...nah
There's no reason to wear it unless you feel called to do it. But I'd also caution you against feeling that everyone needs to do this and trying to impress that on others.
This sub would sooner say "nah" to this than to yoga pants.
What’s sad - asking for my friend (St. Paul)?
What do you mean?
Why "nah?" She said she's felt called to it. She is called towards modesty and this is a very traditional (and biblical) way of showing that
Stylish, really
I didn't know any protestants veiled
Awful, why would women have to restrict their dressing anyway?
Yeah, stop doing that.
Just say you're a 2 Corinthians girl... Maybe it'll catch on like the proverb 31 woman trend.
Looking good 👍
Very cute
Someone has been protestant my entire life today is the first day I’ll learned that protestant Christian women use veils
My wife knits and crochets her own head coverings (we're Orthodox), maybe you can look into making your own.
I personally love it, you're very brave for making this decision, and I think it really suits you. I do think it was more of a traditional thing back in those days tho, and that it isn't an obligation for women these days, but I love the idea, and if you feel closer to the Lord there's absolutely no shame in it. I have thought about it many times, I find veils particularly stunning, and maybe I'll join you some day :)
I thought the Bible was against wearing veils in worship, but it turns out I read that passage wrong. Also, I wouldn't be afraid of being judged or losing friends, if I were you.
What kind of churches ask people to do this? Seriously, love Jesus, love people and wear whatever you want. Personally if the weather is good I'm going to church in my shorts and T-shirt on Sunday as I'm pretty sure Jesus isn't worrying too much about what any of us are wearing.
I don't understand this - why hide the beauty that God created? But it's your choice and anyone's personal choice, so more power to you.
You look beautiful. If it helps you in your journey, then ignore what others say. This is between you and God.
Women are the glory both of God and men. God has given you a beautiful covering already (your hair) before the angels. With this in mind, why would you cover up what your Creator clearly gave you to display?
I’m indian pentecostal and women in the congregations i’ve been too usually cover their hair. However it is based on culture mainly. Since we generally don’t really wear ornaments either again culture based or personal.
My mom used to wear those to church so I don't see an issue with them
You look fabulous, and I am sending my compliments as a man your way. Thanks for posting!
I don't see the point to it, but you look good nonetheless
Posting selfies kinda defeats the purpose but its still great! Bring back modesty 😎
Can someone explain what's going on here. OP why do you vail as a Christian?
Edit: sorry, I don't know how I skipped over your description. I see now that you're saying it's for modesty.
I still am not understanding how covering your head is considered modest.
I'm not sure, I am a teen to. but I believe it is as she said to encourage modesty and remind yourself that looks(or hair) aren't as important as christ and if modesty is a struggle of yours this would be a great way to deal with it.
I hope that made sense.
Thanks. Idk how I missed OPs description. I'm still not understanding how it's considered modest. But I appreciate you pointing me toward OPs reasoning.
Hi! So personally, I dress modest/veil so that there are parts of me that are only visible to God and not to others, as well as to remain humble and non-sexual because I have a hard time with lust 🫶🏻
You look beautiful! But how do you keep the scarf from slipping?
Pin it in place in your hair, and you can pin the scarf into itself if that makes sense!
I'm not a veil enforcer nor a prohibitionist against the ancient custom, I must say this looks reasonably fashionable and modern according to 'Protestant' standards.
It looks great! you really do make it work.
and I admire your faith. it can be hard to make decisions like this. Great job!
Honestly you should probably delete this post. I wouldn’t want my face tied to my Reddit account
And then then there’s your driver’s license. Sheesh sweetheart, hundreds of thousands of people will see this. Just take it down
Do it... I am on the same journey as a guy in a way... Been addicted to some very bad and hard to control things(inappropriate in nature) and I can happily say I have found my peace and God is working threw me more then ever now... Rn he finally let me start my business as well which I have been being openly told no not yet by God told just yesterday... God will bless u more the more u act in faith towards him
I think it looks great! I have a lot of confusion around Christian veiling. It’s never been something I’ve thought much on to research. Could you give me the highlights and scriptures so I can understand better, please?
I think it looks lovely, and I'd say go ahead and wear it. However, the only issue I see is that others make assumptions that you are Muslim or trying to appropriate their culture. That shouldn't stop you from wearing it, however, some people may have questions or make rude comments. If you can handle it, then there's no problem.
I think it's great to try things that may bring you closer to God! That's wonderful that you're taking initiative to seek Him! Don't let anyone hinder you! Even if it doesn't make you feel closer, it's very retro classy on you!!
It’s cute!
It's ok if you want but you don't have to, there's no place in the bible that says women should wear this daily. But it is pretty on you.
Thank you! I know it’s not a requirement, it’s just something I personally want to test the waters on
It fits very well on u
They still do it in west Africa. Some christian women just find it convenient.
This is a great Idea, and a big move towards biblical living
Us Catholics veil in church because we are in the presence of Christ Himself in the Eucharist.
Aha! Beautiful (: As a Protestant, I personally prefer to see my modesty not as a way of hiding myself from God, but covering myself from others so only God can see those parts of me, including the beauty of my hair.
I'm not hiding from God. I'm showing reverence for His Holy Presence in the Blessed Sacrament.
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I was raised in an environment where all the females (and I think the males too) covered their heads, so this looks very good to me
I'm not in the business of telling women what they should or shouldn't wear.
But to a lot of women around the world, the veil represents the only shield they have to oppression. Being "invisible" is the only refuge they have.
I can acknowledge that, and still say you can't appease your way out of patriarchy. A woman's place is in the resistance.
Bruh
What's on your mind?
I feel bad for the women who cover their head for invisibility. I simply want to veil for my personal relationship with God (: Starting a paragraph with “I’m not in the business of telling women what they should or shouldn’t wear. But…” is never a good starter
Do you feel like I was telling you what you should or shouldn't wear?
You know why Catholics and Muslims cover their hair? Both cultures were farmers that were invaded by violent red headed cannibals, Huns. Germans, Romans, and Iranians are related through their Hun ancestors. At one time, being a red headed Hun could be very bad for your health, so ancient royalty covered their hair, and it became a thing with Catholics and Muslims.
As I explained, I simply do it for my personal connection with God 🫶🏻
I wear a headcovering full time and have done so since I was 18yrs old. That was about 16yrs ago (time flies)! 1 co 11 and church history makes it clear that headcoverings for women is command to be reverenced and followed. My main suggestion is to cover all your hair with the scarf. It is definitely something not to be ashamed about! Christianity needs women who are unashamed to be modest. Why let Muslim women beat us on this front. I enciurage you to be strong and courageous to obey all of the Bible!
Yes
Thank you! But in my opinion it’s not about “letting Muslim women beat us on this front”, it’s just about how I personally connect with God 🫶🏻
You are brainwashed. Not by Christ, but churchianity. The prophets, the Lord, His apostles… none of them went around announcing themselves. Also, the Bible is a tracking of jewish genealogy tying them back to the redoubt of eden after the last two world destructions. Genesis is not a creation story. The earth has been and it will always be. It wont be destroyed.
What?
I would consider than many will consider your wearing a veil as cultural appropriation and be offended by it.
I think that's amazing. Modesty is a beautiful thing if only all humans could be more modest.
Bring it back ^
Awesome. You might find The Headcovering Movement as a helpful resource.
Maybe it's just me. But I find it very weird that anyone would present a fashion trend as some kind of Christian thing.
Christianity isn't about our clothes.
Up until the 1960s, headcoverings was widely practiced and men surrendered their hats when indoors. By then church hats were what you'd see on Downton Abbey or at the Kentucky Derby or in some churches today where they match the ensemble and represent status or wealth.
In the 1800s, you could tell which denomination a woman belonged to by the style of her bonnet and it's decoration.
The medieval ages had sumtuary laws that defined which veils a woman could wear by their class and status.
For a very long time, headcovering was more akin to a uniform, an expectation, plus hair hygiene is better since the invention of shampoo and conditioner is recent. A headcovering was practical.
It may be more of the other way around, like wearing a cross necklace, a fashion trend born within a Christian sphere especially now since it's a choice for the first time and not compulsory as it was back then.
And both of the other Abrahamic religions have it in their customs and historical practice as well.
I definitely agree that hats very often signify things in many cultures.
I'd say that's about culture much more than it's about Christianity. But I appreciate that we cannot always neatly separate those things.
My friends at The Headcovering Movement are trying to spark a return to the practice - they've even gone so far as to teach that it's shameful for men to have long hair and a long haired man was convicted to get a haircut. I don't agree that God's chief concern is how humans style their hair - but they are proponents of gender distinctions and latch onto anything they can to maintain complementarian ideals.
I feel that some women opt to cover their heads to focus their prayers, be closer spiritually to God, to increase a sense of humility, or be in solidarity with a sisterhood of believers. These are good reasons - as a personal practice, freely chosen.
This reminds me a bit of the Judaizers we see here on reddit. They want to pick trappings of Christianity to set themselves apart. In their minds it makes them more authentic Christians.
Which isn't inherently problematic. Yet they end up going to strange places with it sometimes.
That's spot-on, really. I'll have to remember that picture for later on.
Looks great! Ceiling isn’t just a Catholic and Orthodox tradition, it used to be very common among Protestants too and there are still Protestants who veil despite its rarity.
They don’t call it “veiling” and Protestant women who wear head coverings don’t wear veils. The whole “veiling” thing seems to be a rather modern phenomenon. Traditionally it’s usually hats or caps or scarfs something like that. I’m not sure why there seems to be such an emphasis on “veils” as a head covering as opposed to other forms of head covering that is more traditional, like hats.
Does anybody know the context of this veiling practice in relation to Paul’s epistle to Corinth?
Looks great on you
Unless you’re in a Mennonite or Amish community, I’d say it’s just a fashion statement outside of wearing it in church and for private prayer. I might have to think 🤔 you’re Muslim or Jewish if I saw you. Examine God’s heart in you and ask…
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So if they tell you you can’t believe you won’t?
If that's an ID on the back of your phone you might want to make sure there's no personal info visible.