[Connelly] "UPDATED 2024 RETURNING PRODUCTION RANKINGS. Still some portal commits trickling in, but where do things stand in mid-May?"
AnalysisOutside of wanting Michigan to win for obvious reasons, I just want to see it happen to see how Columbus reacts on the whole. OSU hasn't had an unsuccessful coach since before Woody (Fickell notwithstanding given the situation he was dealt and it only lasted 1 season).
Bruce won 75% of his games and was better than .500 against Michigan.
Cooper, even with his massive Michigan struggles, won 70% of his games including three 10+ win seasons and two #2 seasons.
Tressel is obvious.
As is Meyer.
I just want to see how a program that has almost never had to deal with on-field upheaval manages with actual problems. They'll probably just hire Vrabel or something easy that is immediately successful.
I think people forget how Cooper started to fall off at the end of his tenure. Everyone remembers 2-10-1, but the program itself was losing to Michigan, losing the Bowl and starting to see fewer double digit win seasons.
It will still have to have the larger context. As insane as some Buckeye fans calling into radio shows are... will Ohio State fire a guy who wins double digit games, loses to MIchigan yeah, but still makes the CFP and makes some noise in it?
I doubt it.
Now, if we lose to Oregon, lose to MIchigan, miss the CFP? Ooohhh things might be tricky.
Yeah Cooper's last 2 seasons were mediocre, but it was a quick descent from 11-1 to 6-6 and then 8-4.
If OSU misses the playoff in its extended format, I'd be pretty shocked and fans would be pissed. If you go back to 2000, OSU didn't finished ranked in the top 12 twice (I don't remember what they were ranked going into bowl games so I'm using EoY rankings).
It hasn’t even been unsuccessful, they lost 3 games in what’s probably the best 3 year stretch in Michigan history immediately after winning like 18/20 in the rivalry series (which was never sustainable).
OSU is still 2 plays from being in 3 national championships out of the Day’s 5 seasons with 2 total losses to non-playoff teams lol
No kidding. Day is a missed field goal and a bad reversed fumble call from 3 NC appearances in 5 years but everyone thinks he's horrendous for some reason.
56-8 record = unsuccessful
Absolutely bonkers thought process there. But then again this subreddit thought Brian Kelly was a shitty coach with his solid resume when he went to LSU
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It's really only Ohio State fans who think he's terrible as far as I can tell, and that's because you all have some ridiculous expectations
How can it be 2 plays for 3 different seasons?
Edit: I’m stupid, they’ve been in 1
I don't think I said anywhere the OSU has been unsuccessful. In fact, I say the exact opposite:
OSU hasn't had an unsuccessful coach since before Woody (Fickell notwithstanding given the situation he was dealt and it only lasted 1 season).
My point is, OSU may or may not be on the brink of firing a guy who's worst trait is losing to Michigan 3 (or possibly) 4 straight times. It would be interesting to see OSU grapple with what every other program has had to in most of our lifetimes. Upheaval and concerns with on-field play leading to coaching searches and perhaps, a few mediocre seasons.
If they fire Day and screw up the next hire they could the locker room into a dumpster fire.
I would certainly hope so, just to see OSU (fans, state, and program) go through the same thing Michigan had to for the better part of a decade. They're due.
That being said, I doubt it happens. OSU has enough former players in coaching positions who would probably take the job (Fickell, maybe Vrabel) and even if they went a different route, OSU is set up better than most to attract the best coaching candidates and be pretty successful even if they make an eh hire.
They own their state for recruiting, a state that has very good talent to pull from. Michigan (the state) has less talent and Michigan (the program) has to fend off ND, MSU, and OSU coming into town to try and pull guys away. OSU is a national brand that has inroads everywhere and can compete with just about anyone to pull kids. They also don't have stupid admissions problems that allow for transfers to come in regardless of class.
You never know. Just looked at what happened to Texas from 2010-2022.
Yeah that's a relevant comparison, but look at Texas over the long term. Before they hired Mack they were above average, but nothing special. Mack sputter out at the end as well, leaving the program in that 8-5/9-4 range with some massive recruiting misses that set the program up for some issues when he finally left. Plus, wasn't Texas' athletic department kind of messy around then? Didn't help that they made a bad hire, yes, but also the wrong kind of hire if you catch my drift.
I kinda want Michigan to beat OSU but have two losses elsewhere and Ohio State wins the B1G but lost to Michigan and see people still freak
We'd take it.
I’m not sure I want 60% of a 2-10 team back lol
Found Coach Prime.
Can I instead offer you 79% of a 3-9 team?
I see Oklahoma State at 3, I say "YES"! , I see Iowa State at 1, I say "NO"!
I hurry and check our schedule and we don't play ISU in 2024, I say "HELL YES"!!
Y’all gonna play in the B12 championship game 😳
I hope so. That will be two years in a row
Utah's returning production plus Cam Rising may have something to say here.
I’m just wondering who in the b12 will become Arizona’s Oregon
I'm curious, what's the basis of the relationship on the Wildcats' side? I know on our side a few of the desert trips have provided the heights of anguish over the years.
The team that has inexplicable losses or extremely close games in the desert.
Hey we have one more place in championship game.
I am not going to trust Cam Rising on the field for a full season until I see it
Why? Is there some bad history between your program and Iowa State…?
(Runs)
63 with 63% 😎
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
40% 💀
Oregon State is 34%.
Wow
Michigan is even lower lol. The two teams that played for the national title, collectively, lost so much.
Skullface indeed
1) Iowa State (86%)
2) Stanford (85%)
3) Oklahoma State (85%)
4) Virginia Tech (84%)
5) Rice (81%)
This has to be Iowa State's best chance at making the conference championship game outside of the covid year ever.
130) Michigan (36%)
131) Troy (35%)
132) Oregon State (34%)
133) UL Monroe (33%)
134) Air Force (25%)
Brent Pry may still need some time to really get the program back on its feet but good lord is it nice to see he’s actually capable of retaining people compared to Fuente seemingly driving everyone away.
Yeah Fuente recruited fine. Nobody developed and nobody stayed.
Pry things are moving up.
Also interesting seeing Stanford like this. Maybe a bit of a trap game?
Ironic Air Force being last in returning production but still using some of those B52s from the 50s.
Air Force is great because there are so many good jokes to make about them and none of them are trash talk
I feel like all signs are pointing towards an ISU OSU BIG12 Championship. Unfortunately for the us pokes, we know how that goes
It's gonna be Utah-Oklahoma State knowing how Iowa State handles expectations
If Becht doesn't throw as many pick sixes in close games this year they might have a shot. Was surprised how good he looked last year, but then he'd just throw a random bad pick.
There's so many things about Becht that remind me of Purdy, including the devastating picks.
I'll give him a break against Iowa. Third career start, in a rivalry game, against a top 5 defense is tough. Last 5 games he was 68% completion, 283 yards, 10 TD, 2 INT, 194.8 passer rating
Oklahoma State fans everywhere hate this.
ULM MENTIONED
break the react out
I assume this is mainly due to the offense
2 of the 3 top receiving guys are gone (Wilson and Johnson - Loveland being the 3rd).
Top rusher (by a long shot) is gone (Corum).
Obviously the QB is gone (JJ).
Entire OL plus the 6th OL is gone.
3 of the top 4 tacklers are gone (Colson, Barrett, Sainristil).
Sainristil also had the most INTs.
The defense had a lot of stats evenly spread across a bunch of guys because they rotated so much, but the tackles were the one stat where there was some separation.
At least no one will ever be able to say Moore was born on third base, talk about a trial by fire lol
Eh, that's what (some significant portion of) OSU fans have been saying on here for months. Not here to argue either way and I'm sure Moore doesn't care all that much, but it's just something that will be said because deep down the original comment (they always leave off the "and think they hit a home run" part) struck a nerve.
It's just hilarious. As a head coach, Sherrone Moore has coached against two teams (2023 PSU, 2023 OSU) with more on-roster talent (per 247) than his team. He has head coached for four games.
Ryan Day has coached against two teams (2022 Georgia, 2020 Alabama) with more on-roster talent than his team. He has been OSU's head coach for five years.
People don't give a shit about facts. Even though Moore is a huge reason they got a natty, people will talk mad shit about how he inherited it if he's even moderately successful next year.
Day inherited a good program, just like Moore. The difference is obviously staff turnover at Michigan.
Urban's last few teams weren't as good as everyone wants to assume. The big 10 was pretty horrible at that time and they would lay an egg a year.
Michigan just came off a National Championship and still has high-end talent on defense (2 first round DTs, First round TE, First round CB). Very comparable to the players Day inherited.
The difference is/was Justin Fields, who comes to OSU for Day, not Urban. This isn't me saying "Sherrone was born on 3rd base", you said facts so I gave you facts. He didn't inherit Rich Rod Michigan lol.
edit: Bill Connelly 2019 Returning Production (Year 1 of Day) Ohio State - 42%, 117th in country
I mean, OSU was #2 in the 247 composite Day's 1st season. Only behind Alabama.
Also, Meyer's last team had an almost 5k passer in Haskins, JK Dobbins, Paris Campbell, Chase Young, and Nick Bosa (injured) to name a few. Day's 1st team had Dobbins, Olave (still gives me heartburn), Young, Malik Harrison (16 TFLs), Okudah, and Arnette.
I wouldn't classify Meyer's late teams as, "weren't as good as everyone wants to assume." They laid an occasional egg because they had a flaw (mostly defensive coaching) or didn't take well to getting popped in the mouth by Purdue/Iowa cancer kids voodoo.
Also, the Big Ten was horrible at that time? Wisconsin was putting up 10+ wins/season. PSU went 11/11/9/11 wins from '16-'19. Michigan had a massive OSU problem, but was a top 15 program. MSU was still at least kicking, not completely dead yet. The conference averaged 5ish ranked teams at year-end in that timeframe.
OSU's problem the last 3 years has been Michigan shoving them in locker. The rest of the Big Ten has had a lower ceiling. PSU is a distant 3rd. Wisconsin is non-existent, replace by Iowa who is 2/3 of a real boy. MSU is a dumpster fire.
Moore didn't inherit RichRod Michigan. But the gap between preseason Michigan 2024 and OSU 2019 is not insignificant. Day played a significant role in OSU's offensive success late under Meyer, which should always be mentioned.
Yes, the gap between preseason teams is different but we didn't come off a National Championship lol? Obviously, y'all are going to lose talent but it's not like Michigan is going to be ranked 23rd? It's preseason top 2 vs preseason top 10. Y'all will probably have the same number (if not more) 1st round draft picks in the 2025 draft.
Yes. Meyer had 5k Haskins (RIP) his last season and who was his OC/QB Coach? Ryan Day. Just like Sherrone had y'alls OLine operating at an elite level. Day was the reason for Meyer's offensive success after the 2016 31-0 blowout, not "late". Meyer's QB option schtick got exposed and he had to pivot.
There is a minimal difference between the two in terms of the situation. We are arguing minuscule differences. For almost every OSU player you listed, I can list an equivalent UM player that Sherrone has.
I really don't know how it can be argued that there is anything more than a minimal difference.
edit: what I will agree with you on is that Sherrone has a tougher conference to navigate. That is 1000% true.
Yes, the gap between preseason teams is different but we didn't come off a National Championship lol?
Not to get super into this, but a NC is an accomplishment, not really a data point when you're looking at which program has better players or opportunity for success the following season. The NC doesn't give you an extra 2 points/game the following season or an additional home game. A neutral fan would have rather been the Patriots at the start of each new season from 2005 - 2015 even though they weren't winning the Super Bowl than the Bucs in 2004 after they did win in it 2003.
Day was the reason for Meyer's offensive success after the 2016 31-0 blowout, not "late". Meyer's QB option schtick got exposed and he had to pivot.
Yes, I give Day a lot of credit for that. Evolving Meyer's offenses to move past the Don Brown type defenses that could slow it down (again, heartburn). Then Day brought in 5-star Fields in his year 1 to pair with his returning 2X 1,000 yard rusher (for example). Moore's forte, the OL, is replacing its top 6 guys. Again, similar situation, former OC that played a role in pushing the offense to the next level now takes over. In Moore's case, he... has a really good TE? There are measurable differences.
I really don't know how it can be argued that there is anything more than a minimal difference.
The vibes are very similar. Minimal differences as you say. But again, OSU had the 2nd most talented team (on paper) in Day's first season. Michigan will have the... 14th or so in Moore's? Your stat, OSU's returning production was at 42%. Michigan's is 6 points lower than that. That's not nothing. Day was replacing 9 draft picks. Michigan is replacing 13. OSU's 2018 team lost X number of All-American type guys. Michigan's lost X+2. Day came in when Michigan was sputtering as a 10-15 type program. Moore gets a top 3 OSU program. And so forth. The point is, there are definite similarities and the differences are directionally similar. In some cases, mirror images of one another. But there are magnitudes of differences as well.
It sounds like you're using "5-star Justin Fields" as another data point to say the roster is more talented than Sherrone when Sherrone has had every opportunity to improve the roster himself (like Day did with Feilds) but he either decided not to or whiffed.
It's very confusing what matters to you (and other UM fans) sometimes, 247 recruiting rankings or development? You're argument against OSU is Day had the #2 composite team while saying Sherrone has the 14th. When the 14th or whatever class has 4 first round picks, a multiple other round draft picks. It's obvious that a lot of Michigan players were better than the services thought of them. Seems to me, the Michigan scouts were just flat out better than a lot of CFB and 247 services.
42% vs 36% isn't nothing but its a difference of 1 or two players. I provided a data point that is prettttyyy factual on the small difference we are talking about. It's a difference of 8 teams on this 2024 list.
You guys want there to be a magnitude of differences but there really just aren't when talking about the roster and the level of program they both interited. If it wasn't for Day talking crap to Harbaugh (when Harbaugh was complaining about assistants helping coach which Harbaugh then got violations for not 1 year later), we would be agreeing that the situation is (for the most part) the same to an average CFB fan.
The difference is Day ran his mouth and Sherrone hasn't so there isn't some simple, pretty quote illustrating how great of a program he now has the keys to. Having at least 4 first-round draft picks and probably about 5-7 other draft picks in the next draft says it all on how similar it is.
I mean, yes, losing 10/11 starters and 12/16 major contributors to your offense will do that to you.
Losing both starting LBs takes out a huge number of our tackles which has a significant effect on the returning defensive production
I love Hausmann and Barham tho. Both higher ceilings than Colson and Barrett
I don't necessarily think Hausmann has a higher ceiling than Colson, unless you're comparing Barham to Colson and Hausmann to Barrett.
Colson was a top 100 recruit, started 7 games as a true freshman, and was a true freshman All-American. He developed into a very good LB and NFL draft pick (3rd round).
Hausmann was a top 700 recruit, and started 7 games as a true freshman. Nothing about him really screams "bigger upside than Colson." I don't know that he'll go higher than him in the draft or be an All-American.
and went in the third round in a world where LBs are almost never picked above the second round anymore. Colson was probably the third best LB IN THE COUNTRY last year. Hard to have a higher ceiling than that unless you are the second coming of Urlacher.
Eh, there have been a half dozen or so ILB types picked over the last few drafts in the 1st/2nd round. Devin White, Devin Bush, Isaiah Simmons, Kenneth Murray, Quay Walker etc.
Regardless, Colson was a very good ILB and while Hausmann might also turn into one, no real reason to assume he will be better than Colson based off evidence we currently have. Maybe he doesn't get lost as frequently as Colson did, but that's probably the only attribute he could surpass Colson in.
That back half of the schedule for you guys in the Big 12 does not look fun, TTU, at KU, Cinci, at Utah and then KState.
I mean Texas Tech and Cincinnati at home won't be a big deal and i feel reasonably good about the other 3, least confident about a trip up to Utah (hopefully going to make it to that game)
I think you're underselling TTU
Maybe, but Tech needs to show that they can get over the hump. The offense sputters out hard against a good defense, and Kittley’s not an inventive OC.
I love that they’ve just got Cincy, broadly picked to be dead-last in the conference again, tossed in there before Utah and K-State. That’s a trap game if ever I’ve seen one.
I think you're mistaken, KU is a home game
Assuming a joke for Iowa State fans traveling to KC?
I'm just happy we get to do the takeover twice in a year. I'll be flying in from DC for that weekend
I did enjoy the banter this past year in KC for the Big 12 tournament from ages like 21-35. But the ISU fans my buddies ran into older than that were a bit much. Got to a point where 5-6 ISU dudes we were hanging out with had to ask if they needed their asses beat haha I do think you guys have a good shot at out numbering KU fans in Arrowhead, depending who their QB is at the time of the game.
Air Force dead last in the FBS is a godsend to everyone on their schedule. They’re sneakily one of the best G5 programs of the last decade, no questions asked, and they’ve been on even more of a tear in the last few years than ever before.
Part of me wonders whether Calhoun will take a P4 job eventually, or whether he’ll be an Air Force lifer. If this G5 playoff does come to pass, Air Force is well positioned to be a regular participant.
From Big 12
Iowa State - 1
Oklahoma State - 3
Baylor - 10
Colorado - 17
West Virginia - 31
Arizona - 33
TCU - 39
Utah - 43
ASU - 48
BYU - 54
UCF - 63
Cincinnati - 65
Texas Tech - 69 (Nice)
Houston - 71
Kansas - 82
KSU - 83
Don’t know what to do with this since so much of our offensive production missed 2023 with injuries.
Just a starting point for analysis. We add latest portal and getting injured players back in this to build opinions. Even for OSU, we are getting WR1, Safety 1 back who missed the whole last season.
Returning production used to be an outstanding predictor of single-season success, but that relationship has waned substantially since the advent of the portal era. Rosters change immensely from year to year now.
I expect hopefully this is the last year for large roster turnover in the foreseeable future for us. Dilly has been really working to get his guys and I think the ball is starting to roll more in NIL for us.
Now if only we could finally hire an athletic director.. it’s only been like half a year
How is this measured? Returning starts? Snaps?
I don't remember exactly, but it's a combination of things. Tackles, for example is a heavily weighted metric for defense. But OL doesn't really have a ton of stats to pull from so that uses starts and some SP+ data from last year.
Shit am I gonna have to watch the exact same Cal v Auburn game again?
Not with Cal making a monumental downgrade at OC while Auburn made a huge upgrade at DC.
DJ Durkin is not a good human, but he’s definitely a good DC.
So 17-14 again, got it
Wasn’t it 10-14 last time..?
Not gonna lie, after 4 missed field goals I kinda blocked the whole thing from memory
Oregon at 69%...
If I'm not mistaken, we were somehow 69% last year too.
So nice you did it twice
VERY nice!
LSU's entire Offense graduated and they are at 64%?
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Last year they weren't lacking 4 and 5 star talent on Defense, their coaching and scheme was just horrendous.
Top 20 lol
This is about an 8% increase for us from last year. 1 more % would've been nice
I love and hate this list.
Is this same team production only? Like, if we portal in a guy who played all last year at his old school, do we get credit?
I believe transfer portal production is included or Connelly wouldn’t have mentioned it in the post.
I think that he basically adds the numerator and denominator for transfers. I mean the whole returning production is just a hard question on how to model.
Yeah it sounds about right. It’s definitely a tough thing to model
This really shows the difference between G5 and P4 right now.
For Sun Belt:
1 (15) Louisiana (72%)
2 (49) Texas State (65%)
3 (55) Arkansas State (65%)
4 (62) App. State (63%)
5 (87) Georgia Southern (57%)
6 (93) Old Dominion (55%)
7 (98) Marshall (54%)
8 (109) Georgia State (48%)
9 (110) Coastal Carolina (48%)
10 (115) South Alabama (46%).
11 (119) Southern Miss. (44%)
12 (125) JMU (40%)
13 (131) Troy (35%)
14 (133) UL-Monroe (33%)
Surprised Colorado is so high given that everything I hear is about how the entire team entered the portal
Based on one of Connelly’s replies in the comments, he seems to give at least some weight to production from incoming transfers
That would make a ton of sense
Which doesn’t make them “returners” so it would be crazy if he did that.
I think he could justify it as “returning to college” rather than “returning to the team.” Without including the transfers I think it would give the rankings a lot less value
I disagree. Because returning talent should allow the reader to use last years team as the reference and transfers didn’t contribute last year to the team they are transferring to.
I feel like that will certainly skew things for the P4 teams because they are getting G5 starters as transfers where G5 teams are getting P4 backups instead.
I don't know exactly how this is weighted, but I imagine returning your QB matters a LOT. Also, your #2 (by yards) WR. And your top RB.
I can't imagine any team with those three pieces returning is out of the top 30, even if basically everyone else leaves.
That’s fair.
Our top RB (Dylan Edwards) actually transferred to K-State. Also hilarious that he was our top RB with only 321 yards. Our number two guy was just behind him at 319 yards.
Ahh, whoops. I misread something then. But either way, they were basically identical, so I guess the point is the same?
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As a tampeño I’m so ready for USF to be decent in football again. Loved watching them rise up into the Big East back in the 2000’s but it’s been an utter wasteland there since that league fell apart.
I'm pretty sure we were ranked in the 80s in the first draft of this. Really nice job in the portal since then.
Nice.
I’m surprised we’re at 50%. Seems like everyone graduated or hopped into the portal for P5 opportunities.
Agreed. That one day in December when an even 20 dudes hopped in the portal was rough.
Honestly, the portal reload has been really promising for UNT, lots of really high-potential guys from big time programs, who just didn’t quite find their stride. Our staff killed it developing talent last year, so I trust them to do a lot of work with the new guys this year.
I could see UNT follow Willie Fritz‘s model from Sam Houston, where he was taking a lot of similar transfers from big programs, training them up, and then they’d go back up to play in the P5 as standouts for their grad transfer season. Willie Fritz won a lot of games doing that.
insert "survivorship bias" tweet
Surprised we are not lower. Felt like everyone left except the RB that had the good bowl game
70% returning production with our offensive and defensive portal picks up will definitely play.
The returning production includes portal players
Miami - 66%
Ohio - 38%
Lol
Has anyone ever done the work to figure out if returning production is an indicator of success? I've always been kind of curious about that. It would seem like unless your team was total dogshit you'd want to return most of the players but maybe not?
Syracuse sitting tied for 13th with a very manageable schedule has the ingredients for a very successful first year for Fran Brown.
Ah yes, both my teams in prime position to disappoint me equally. This is fun.
Nice 😎
12 on returning production LFG Broncos
Damn near the bottom rip
Wooooo up to 126!
How do we have worse returning production than Washington? Thats pretty crazy lol
Nice.
Crap I think we were 6th in last list now 79th. Can't be all because Sullivan left
Our numbers are skewed because we don’t have Jeff sims or Purdy anymore but that’s a good thing lol
You don’t have returning production because you don’t have returning production?
On one hand, it’s exciting that Baylor’s in the top-10 for returning production and also made some huge portal moves.
On the other hand, it’s easy to return a ton of production when like five dudes account for 95% of your total offensive/defensive production.
What was his purpose in bolding the Final AP Top 20 from last year, rather than the Top 25? I swear, Bill Connelly is the king of arbitrary cutoffs.
66% may not seem like a lot for Utah, especially in comparison to Oklahoma State and Iowa State, but Cam Rising and Kuithe back is a huge upgrade over Bryson Barnes and Nate Johnson. Honestly, both Barnes and Johnson are G5 QB’s at their absolute best, and that’s probably being a bit generous to them.
Clemson surprisingly low since our entire offense sans-Shipley is coming back
Healthy Cade + ideally one more portal WR and this team could really do some damage this season. 11-1 is completely on the table.
You aren’t wrong, but they need major help at WR in the portal. They probably have the worst WR room in the country as it stands right now.
What’s the outlook for the defense? Genuinely asking.
71% kinda surprises me
Why are Iowa State the cyclones and not the tornados? A cyclone isn't a tornado, right? But Iowa is known for tornados and has never experienced a cyclone. Anyway, go cyclones.
In 1895 we played Northwestern as Iowa Agricultural College and won 36-0. The Chicago Tribune headline read "Struck by a Cyclone: It Comes from Iowa and Devastates Evanston Town". It's just what tornados were called at the time
nice, that makes a lot of sense actually. I like cyclone better anyway, being from Greek. Nobody likes those dumb Romans.
Cyclones are conceptually cool thing. Tornadoes destroy your home and your livelihood, and are a very real concern during tornado season in middle America.
Can’t blame them for sticking with “Cyclones”, frankly.
But I was told we have no continuity...
I think every time "continuity" is brought up its in relation to coaching and driving Sean Lewis out
I think he would’ve taken the SDSU job regardless. Going from a MAC job to a top 10 G5 job is a successful one year stepping stone, which seemed to be Lewis’s plan all along.
He likely would’ve taken the San Diego State job. It was incredibly frustrating to watch Deion meddle in the offense because he didn’t like what Lewis was doing.
You hired Lewis for a reason. I get he wasn’t a great fit with Shedeur but if that was the case why hire the guy in the first place?
No it's not, it's about the "overwhelming amount of transfers".
Sean Lewis good coach, just not a good match for Shedeur stylistically.
Good thing you went to Pat Shurmur who isn't even a good coach
22 years in the NFL, 2017 Assistant of the Year, Donovan McNabb's QB Coach, multiple stints as a OC and HC.
Seems like a better resume than most!
Have you watched him call an offense?
Yes as I referenced multiple times, 2017 Vikings Offense was pretty impressive. 2013 Eagles offense were pretty solid as well. He also has never had really even an above average QB to work with as HC or OC.
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Michigan - 36%
Ohio State - 65%
The Game is in Columbus.... if Ryan Day doesn't win this one... oh man things are going to be ugly.