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[Givony] The Hawks have been unable to bring Alex Sarr in for a workout to this point, but the door remains open for that to potentially happen. Clingan appears to be Risacher's main rival at No. 1.
newsIf the rumors that Sarr basically only wants to play as a power forward/perimeter guy with high usage on offense are true, I see why he doesn’t want to play for the Hawks. There is no way he’d be in that role here (nor should he, tbh)
I've only heard that rumor in the context of it being an excuse for why we can't get him to come work out lol, this is a really embarrassing look for our FO (and very weird for Sarr and his camp).
It may be true, it may not be. But if it is true I don’t really think you can fault the FO here. If that’s his mentality then we shouldn’t draft him, and he can rest easy knowing Washington will probably pick him and let him experiment in that role even if it’s not ideal for winning for a couple seasons.
Well maybe I shouldn't put so much blame on our FO, who knows what Sarr and his camp are like, but it's still not a good look. If Detroit or Charlotte had the first pick last year and Wemby refused to go work out for them we'd make fun of those franchises too, it's not a good sign when a prospect would rather make less money and not go first overall than go to your team.
I mean if Sarr was a Wemby level guy this would definitely be a worse look. If he was a Wemby-level prospect I’d also say we should just take him anyway lol.
The Spurs did not do any workout with Wemby, they picked him directly
The Spurs sent Brian Wright to Paris multiple times before the draft lottery to watch Wemby, but it’s not like a workout was needed to confirm the obvious.
You don't need to work out a player of that caliber. Literally just make sure his medical/physical exams check out.
Tbf if Wemby refused to workout for any team with the number 1 pick he’d still get picked at number 1. Wasn’t there rumors that Banchero didn’t workout for the magic and they picked him anyway?
Just gives the Hawks more leverage to be fair. You've got a team at #2 who wants the guy who doesn't want to (allegedly) play for the #1 pick team. #1 team won't want him, but has the ability to take him. Wizards give up #2 and a few seconds to get him without a fuss at #1. Christ it's not like we're hurting for 2nd round picks from the Beal trade. Hawks lose nothing and gain draft capital to draft cheap role players in the future, or to use in trade packages.
But he worked out for the Wizards. As bad as the Hawks are, the Wizards are on another level. So it pretty much has to be role/position related if he is indeed refusing to work out for us.
i think it is because Sarr wants to be on a tanking team and he's not sure the hawks will offer that.
I don’t think any player wants to be on a tanking team, but if he wants the freedom that a tanking team provides then that would go back to role/position.
he wants the freedom that a tanking team provides... you kinda mentioned it. Also, maybe players don't want to be on a tanking team, but they might prefer not to be on winning teams because it gives them more time to develop and also less pressure to win.
Another Spurs fan that’s also a Hawks fan. Thought I was the only one! #coys
i'm sorry man I'm actually a wizards fan. (tbf that's definitely worse than being a hawks fan right now) I definitely am proper coys though.
Wizards 2023 1st round pick Bilal Coulibaly (fellow Frenchman, 19 years old) could also be a factor in Sarr’s preference
Possibly. According to google they only know of each other from a distance as Coulibaly played in Paris while Sarr played in Spain, but I suppose there’s some level of comfort there for someone entering a new country. I don’t know if it’s worth the money difference, though.
Dude has played in Spain and Australia already, no?
Why should the Hawks be embarrassed?
Because dude is like ill pass on 1-1 money and settle for a little less to not be in ATL
He’d be running PnR it’s easy lobs and we are begging for a 5 that can shoot from the perimeter to open up lanes. So I mean we are a perfect fit if that’s what he wants lmao.
The rumors I was referring to are that he wants to be a guy with the ball in his hands a lot that drives downhill, and that he really doesn’t want to be a screen setting / rim-running center. Don’t know if that’s true or not, but if it is he wouldn’t be a good fit here.
he wants the giannis plan.
That's what he answered when asked "whose game are you studying?". It was Giannis, AD, Evan Mobley.
evan mobley is probably the answer that makes the most sense lol in terms of playstyle but the giannis plan was mostly referring to his development. he definitely is super raw atm.
I'm not on team Sarr so I am almost ecstatically dreaming of what people think he's going to do as a high usage player is rookie season. I'm going to be experiencing some extreme schadenfreude if the Hawks pass on him and that he gets featured as an offensive player next year watching people defend his numbers
You only put “tbh” after your last sentence. Does that mean you weren’t being honest with your other comments?
I’m not really putting a ton of thought into how exactly my Reddit comments are phrased lol. In retrospect “imo” would’ve been better tho
If the reporting is true and Sarr is trying to not go to the Hawks then it would be because he wouldn't be treated like a franchise player here. He'd be drafted to be a defender and cover up for Trae's defensive deficiencies.
Sarr would have a lot more leeway on offense if he were to go to the Wizards. So if the reporting is true that Sarr wants to avoid the Hawks then he is doing so because he views the Wizards or another team that would give him a longer offensive leash would be better for his development.
I mean he isn’t Wemby level so why should he get that kind of treatment. Trae is the only franchise level player we have. JJ could be too.
Well it might be the treatment he feels he deserves and he'd get what he wants or at least closer to it on a team that is not expected to contend for the playoffs.
Good luck to him, I don’t want that shit mentality in our team anyways
This is the way I read it. Sarr doesn't want to come to a team like the Hawks who already have a franchise player and be the 4th option. He wants to go to a team where everything will be built around unless someone else better comes along.
I can't say that I blame him. When you look at top 5 picks who ended up going to playoff caliber teams with expectations, it didn't turn out well for them. Thinking mostly about Wiseman and Ayton. Wiseman never stood a real chance in GS where everything is built around Steph and at 19 years old they want him to just set screens and be some mensa level rim protector.
Embarrassing for who? Y’all need to relax lol
what the fuck does that even mean bro oh my god
Absolutely nothing.
I recognize that the average user on this subreddit is younger, so it's worth mentioning (again) that you should not put much trust into national reports until the day of the draft.
It sounds like the Hawks are putting A LOT of stock into in-person workouts. Usually those are like a bonus on top of normal scouting work.
I wonder if it's because they're relatively behind the pack scouting these top guys (which Landry has admitted) or because they just prefer to see it themselves.
Either way, them putting all this pressure on workouts and Sarr seemingly declining to work out for them, seems to make this Clingan v Risacher. Sorry to the Sarr-hards in the sub
More than physical workouts, I imagine Synder wants to watch film with him. If can’t grasp the complexity of his schemes or understand how Sarr reads and reacts to plays, that will be a concern to him and his coaching staff.
That’s another positive for Clingan is he’s clearly intelligent enough to grasp a system like UConn’s he should have no problem grasping ours.
That's a legit concern for a team that wants to be in the playoffs with a star in his prime years.
Sarr played for one of the better youth teams in Europe at a young age, has played for the French youth team, spent several seasons in the US, and a year professionally in Australia.
I don't think his read of the game is going to be a problem.
His feel for the game and IQ is one of his strengths, particularly on defense. His toughness has been questioned on both ends.
Probably why they are so into Clingan as the reports are he had an amazing workout for the Hawks. Supposedly was knocking down 3’s as well. If he can translate that into actual gameplay then he’s a lock to be the #1 pick.
If Clingan develops a 3pt shot then he can be a major piece for this team
Yeah he absolutely would be. His shoot looks great from 3 in an open gym / practice but other non shooters have had sessions like that as well so hard to out too much stock into it.
I’m absolutely convinced Clingan is the guy the Hawks want now the question is do we take him at #1 or move back and get extra assets and take him.
This is my theory assuming Risacher impresses in his workout. Hawks take Risacher #1 and have a handshake deal with the Spurs for #4 and either #8 or one of our owed picks where if Clingan is on the board they take Him for us at 4. If Clingan is taken at 2 or 3 then we stick with Risacher and hope for the best.
That would make the most sense. We really need a in the paint defender who can assist the offense (so Clingan to a T) but we also desperately need assets.
If we take him we just gotta pray his feet don’t become an issue and that he fixes his conditioning issues.
We need to keep up the front that we could pick anybody and work out a deal to drop back a few spots, then draft Clingan. Taking Clingan #1 without some effort to pick up some other assets seems like a risky move.
I highly doubt our front office would be able to keep that quiet and prevent leaks.
Of the hawks want Clingan I don’t see how they risk waiting until the spurs pick for not a great return. Wizard and rockets could both take Clingan easily
Nether team are rumored to be interested in Clingan. Wizard love Sarr and Clingan doesn’t fit with Sengun and the Rockets are rumored to be really into Sheppard. Other teams could move up and take him and that’s the risk they would have to take. Do they see Clingan as 1a and Risacher as 1b or are they 1-2+? Personally I don’t want Risacher and if we employed this strategy I think it’s a good bet the Hawks know who’s going at 2 and 3.
I had not heard that, that would change my opinion on picking him drastically
If he develops a 3 then he might become Brook Lopez. Not exactly a #1 FRP
Hugely disrespectful to Brook Lopez who used to be a 20PPG post beast and still has great inside touch
Disrespect? Tell that to Buck fans and their 1st round exit. Or how about those great years with Brooklyn and their early outs as well .
Okay - that has literally nothing to do with what I said.
You don't want Clingan because you don't think a Brook Lopez upside is worth the #1 overall.
I'm saying that independent of that assessment, saying Clingan has Brook Lopez's upside is disrespectful since Lopez is much much better.
We both don't want Clingan, for different reasons
what lol... Lopez was picked 10th overall (still fairly high) and was an all-star/defense 1st team...
you know how fucking badly we need someone even remotely considered for that? We don't even have 2 all-star caliber players.
Shit realistically we barely have one
You pinning your hopes on Cling "might become Brook." At least the Wiz are intentionally rebuilding. Right now the Hawks have no plan.
You literally said that. Not me. Idk what your agenda is.
Wiseman didn’t do workouts and we saw how that turned out.
They hid Sarr in Australia first, now dodging workouts. Idk why people like him at 1 anymore.
Not worth the risk.
They hid Sarr by playing him against grown men in the NBL?!?!
Yes. A league with worse talent halfway across the world.
Just because they’re grown men doesn’t mean they’re better than US college players.
Also way easier for scouts to see the player all the time here in the US. I’ll bet most nba clubs don’t have a designated Australia scout lol. Probably not even an Asia scout.
And all the little off the court stuff and relationships you build when scouting matter. You can hide a lot overseas.
If there’s a year to trade back, this is it. Sarr either wants to play pf or be a main option in an offense, a playoff caliber team jumping to the top spot ensures he won’t do either of those
Yeah, at this point, the only way I'm thinking Sarr is picked first is if the Hawks trade back.
It's starting to look super unlikely that he's even a consideration here.
If the Hawks trade spots with the Spurs, Risacher, not Sarr, is going 1.
Spurs big brain move making us draft a worse player and then not going through with the trade just to increase our pick next year
It really depends on who you value and also fit matters. Some of the project picks to name a few are Salaun, Buzelis, and Holland. If you add more into that category then you've got a handful and probably a couple of them pan out but you don't know who.
Personally I really like Jared McCain and I think he is going to be a top 5 or top 10 player in this draft class because a lot of the prospects are risky and I like him as a guaranteed success. He is projected late lottery though maybe and there is no world in which he gets drafted 1st overall. I saw a YouTube comment that compared him Brogdon which I think is kinda fair. That outcome would likely be one of the best in this draft class but even if you had that outcome guaranteed you would never draft it 1st overall.
Best case scenario would be trading away DJ and trading away #1 even if the team weren't rebuilding and getting whatever's fair for DJ and then translate the #1 pick into McCain and one of the SF project picks. Like if Portland wanted the #1 pick they could trade for #8 from the Spurs and give us #7, #8, and 1 or 2 2nd round picks for #1.
Plot twist: He wants to go to SA. He has the same agent that wanted to get Luka to Dallas specifically
Just fyi for anybody that didn’t know - a lot of prospects ducked our workouts last year, too. We didn’t work out AJ or Kobe before drafting them.
I don't think we worked out JJ either. He just fell.
Never did I imagine being this down about having the number 1 pick.
The pain of being a Hawks fan is impressive
And consistent
I can't for the life of me figure out why people here are so stuck on Sarr.
You have to think about this logically - if he was as good as his fans on this sub would lead you to believe, then he's a slam-dunk #1 pick and there is no way anyone else would be considered. He's not that. He's a big-time developmental project where if everything clicks, meaning in Sarr's brain as well as in the weight room and in watching film, then maybe he becomes a minor star. He does not sound like the type of guy who's going to click majorly and quickly, especially if he's denying a workout to the team with the #1 pick.
He's really doing us a favor right now in showing us what his attitude is like.
They’re stuck on him for his upside.
Risacher and Clingan roles look pretty clear with limited room for them to change. Doubtful Rizz ever becomes a strong iso guy or that Clingan can space the floor
Sarr at least has the appearance of upside to be a giant mobile human that can also shoot and dribble
Even if it’s only 5% he reaches that ceiling, drafting a potential star at 1 is more alluring than drafting a solid starter
Even if it’s only 5% he reaches that ceiling, drafting a potential star at 1 is more alluring than drafting a solid starter
We're just disagreeing on a few things then. Rizzler and Clingan have potential to be above-avg regulars too. Just because Sarr has a higher ceiling doesn't mean everyone else's in the top 5-ish range is only that of a 'solid starter'. We're in the era of major film and BBIQ, Jokic is the most dominant player of the current era and is testament to that. The game expanding beyond the arc and becoming a "three or dunk" type of game is also testament to that. Now more than ever you need guys who understand the game, understand the opposition, and how to play within a team system. Aside from being mobile I don't see Sarr containing any of that ability, which is part of what makes this draft "bad".
Rumors of Snyder preferring Clingan also back this up. Y'all remember Willie Caulie-Stein or Bruno Caboclo? Measurements and mobility only go so far.
No we actually agree on all of that lol, I don’t want Sarr
I don’t include myself in the “people” that are stuck on Sarr as you put it, although I was at one point.
Hoping for a trade down + Clingan at this point assuming his medicals check out.
good to hear. And believe me I wish there was a dude in this draft worth getting stuck on, would make things so much easier. But that's never the path for us Hox fans lol
What’s Snyder track record when it comes to evaluating prospects? I’m just curious
With respect to Stein he ended up being a pretty solid bench player for a few years
Absolutely, but not what you want from a #1 pick. He is only 30 and has been out of the league for a couple years now. He was the 6th pick and that's about where Sarr would likely be taken in a "normal" draft, 6th-8th range.
I'm not hung up on Sarr. I'm hung up on the fact that we have the number one pick and aren't really getting people to work out with us, including Sarr. If Sarr doesn't want to be here, then that's on him. It's his career. Volunteers, not hostages.
Yeah lol if he won’t workout with us then have fun on wizards
He will
That's just free information into his character though. It's information that he's potentially a bad pick.
Tbf he is the #1 prospect/pick on 99% or analyst sites. And most of the ones that don’t have him there are just posting things for clicks pre draft.
Tbf he is the #1 prospect/pick on 99% or analyst sites
an outright lie. Majority listing Risacher as #1, much less only 1% doing so. I won't further embarrass you by listing them out, but especially not going to take the time to do so when you're also not taking the time to even post something remotely true or backed-up.
How strange
He probably wants to be a starter on Day 1
If sarr doesn’t want to be part of a team that literally just needs that last piece to get past the hump…. He and his team are insane
He's insane? You think the Hawks are a piece away.
Listen I might be more insane, but at least I’m not dodging being the #1 pick in the draft
If we were a piece away, that piece certainly isn’t fucking Alex Sarr lol. That piece would have to be our new best player.
If by a piece you mean a 2, a 3 a stretch 5. A better backup 4. Another guard. More reliable three point shooters. B
This happens every year with players trying to go to their ideal destinations. Curry didn't work out for the Warriors and tried his best to fall to the Knicks. You know what happened regardless.
Sarr only average 9.7 points. He should show up to every workout request in the top five.
Luka averaged 7.8 ppg in Euroleague. There are probably better stats to judge a player than ppg. He’s only taking 7 shots/game in his first pro season and is not a good outside shooter yet. That said, he’s had some nice highs
18 pts and 5 blocks in January
14 and 12 with 3 blocks in Feb
Doesn’t turn the ball over, doesn’t get into foul trouble
I don’t think he’s falling outside the top 3.
I agree ppg isn’t always a good indicator. But Wasn’t luka a MVP over there. How he win mvp with 7.8 ppg. Something ain’t adding up
His career high was 16 ppg on 11 shots per with Real Madrid.
Lower scoring league
Was unbelievably clutch
Obliterated FIBA and Olympics (29/9/7 avg for Slovenia)
Jan Vesly was also MVP over there.
Who?
He averaged that in 2016-2017. He was drafted in 2018. How many points did Sarr average in a pro league at the age of 17?
Lol?
Luka averaged 15.6 ppg over 3 seasons in the Euroleague. In his final season, when he was Sarr's age, he led the league with 21.5 ppg.
And while also a "grown men league", the Euroleague is a level above the NBL. As is Liga ACB.
I don't know where you're getting your information, but none of that is correct
sad Hawk noises
Insiders have said he has had 1 workout with Atlanta
I really, really, really, really want Hawks' fans to be a bit more cynical about these reports from the national guys right now. This is the time of year when both agents and teams are hustling.
which insider said this? Givony is very reliable for draft news
Hawk squawk insiders. Been pretty reliable info for years
That is probably the most unreliable name you could've possibly posted lol
Please point me to one correct thing thats come from Hawksquawk ever lol.
Lol didn't realize there was a Reddit vs squawk rivalry
theres not a rivalry but those rumours have been posted for the 7 years ive been here and not a single one has been real, its just people cosplaying as insiders
Honestly Sarr is a lot less interesting if he sees himself/wants to play the 4. All his tools and skill set are much more intriguing as a 5.
Yea he’s either a non-spacing 4 that can switch on defense or a super-versatile center. I don’t understand this mindset in guys like Mobley or JJJ (or Sarr apparently) The value they bring and why teams are excited about them is because of their ability to play the 5. But when they insist on playing the 4 it turns them more into just good players instead of special. Especially once they get expensive and you have to just get some random to play center because they aren’t willing to.
Offensively he would be a liability as a 4. Easier to hide as a Center if he can catch and finish around the rim. He has to shoot well as a 4 or his mold is untenable.
Doesnt sound like he's physical enough. I hear he sets weak screens, rebounding, post-up.
I wonder how the fanbase will blame management for this
Atlanta's in a unique situation with the crazy lottery bounce and have been working out/scouting basically everyone for number 1.
Sarr denying them a workout is a legit bad look for him. Irregardless of his belief in fit/situation.
He's getting bad advice. Or he just really believes himself to be a 4....unlike this reddit lol
meh. This isn't the 1st time this has happened though - and not just the draft. Agents see a team that can't get past Play In status while bumping up against the LT threshold and won't go over. Other teams aren't willing to trade with us unless they can take us to the woodshed because we're trying to save a dollar. We can turn cartwheels in trying to rationalize every situation but if we've been paying attention then we know that we're not getting the best reputation around the league.
Wanting to be a #1 pick level talent but not wanting to play on a play-in team is a cop out. Any one of Banchero, Cade, Edwards, or Wemby would’ve elevated the hawks to at least a solid playoff run.
Our franchise is at the point where players would rather play for the Wizards. It's over boys.
Ding Dong here comes Cling Kong 🦍
Blazers will pick Clingan for you guys and trade him + other assets for Sarr.
But, still hope I am wrong and whatever pick between Sarr or Clingan is good and it works out for the betterment of this team.
DraftKings has it basically 50/50 between the two French dudes.
Are these rumors coming from the Hawks FO to placate the fanbase when they draft Clingan at #1.
My only hope is this turns out like the 1990 MLB Draft when Todd Van Poppel told the Braves he would never sign for them, they decided to pick a high school SS from Florida instead.
The status of Atlanta's Trae Young is the big question hovering over the franchise. One option that has been widely discussed among teams is the possibility of the Hawks reacquiring their unprotected 2025 first-round pick from San Antonio (perhaps in a swap for the No. 4 pick), which would give the team far more flexibility for rebuilding. That would currently be difficult to fathom, with their next three draft picks (2025, 2026 swap rights and 2027) owned by the Spurs.
The Hawks worked out Reed Sheppard last week and Clingan before that, two attractive options at No. 4 should they elect to slide back. Atlanta also brought in Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams and Ron Holland for workouts. -- Givony
This is the most interesting part imo.
Trade down to 4 and pick either Reed Sheppard or Clingan would be a huge win.
I highly doubt the Spurs are willing to trade that 2025 pick just to move up from 4 to 1. They seem to be very attached to their picks in 2025 draft and there's no one they really need at 1 since Castle will most likely be their pick.
I agree. Those picks are way more valuable than a long shot pick at #1. Especially with the next couple drafts supposedly being great and deep. Only way I could see the Spurs doing anything like this is if there are also player swaps involved. Maybe KJ ,#4 and 2026 swap and 2027 pick back to hawks for Murray and the #1. I’m keeping 2025 pick. Draft is insanely deep.
It seems to me they have Clingan #1 but if they find a good enough trade down for assets, they'll do it even if it risks not being able to get Clingan(taking Buzelis or Risacher instead).
I'd guess the trade down options probably won't be attractive in this draft so I'm leaning Kling Kong to ATL at #1
I’m def a follower of ClingAnon but if the spurs offer 4 and our 2025 pick back I will 100% trade down even if Clingan might not be there.
Reed Sheppard or Clingan have to be available at 4 and I am happy with either of them.
Miss me on Reed Sheppard. Kobe is a much more intriguing prospect than him.
Reed and Trae can't play together, we give up way too much size. If we're trading down to 4 and not picking Clingan then hopefully it's Cody Williams
He’s probably a better fit with Trae than DJM. He can shoot the lights out and actually defend, even if he’s smaller than DJM
Yeah but Reed would be a solid bench PG immediately and maybe one day if his defense translates or improves he could work.
At the end of the day there is only one starter for us in the draft and that’s Clingan
I agree with this. If we trade down and are picking 7th of 8th I actually really like Reed there, though I also like Knecht for his size/athleticism. I love the idea of Reed running the offense when Trae sits too.
I also agree the easiest one to see as a day 1 starter or just year 1 starter is Clingan. I think Risacher has a chance to be a starter for us in the 2nd half of the year, especially if his defense is as advertised.
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He has the same agent as Luka do whatever you want with think this information
Lies.. I saw sarr driving down old nat in a hellcat playing lil baby yesterday … can’t get more Atlanta than that… givony don’t know shii
Thank God I don’t want his bum ass
I need this draft to happen asap. I'll be bending my girl over and still thinking about who we should draft
We don’t need a 7 foot brick machine anyways
He can’t shoot and is terrible at pnr. Can’t set a screen with his slight frame. No thanks
Can this sub finally stop obsessing over Sarr now? It's obviously Risacher or Clingan at this point, or some trade down option which won't be Sarr.
“While it appears the Hawks are far from making final decisions, many teams say their intel indicates Risacher remains the favorite at No. 1”
Other teams also think we will trade Trae. I don’t know what will happen either way, but other teams (not the hawks) believing something doesn’t make it true.
I don’t see us trading Trae. We’d never get the value back. It’s not impossible to build around him. The front office just made some bad moves
He is trying to force his way to the Spurs to play with his buddy Wemby.
At this point I am in the "trade this pick along with DJM/Capela" camp for a star wing or whatever. Or at least trade down (provided we get good value). I will vomit if we draft a VERY athletically limited C who also has a limited skill set at 1.
DJM & 1 to SAS for 4, 8, a random role-player, and the 2025 pick?
DJM doesn't fit Wemby's timeline, he burnt all his bridges with San Antonio, and the Spurs have insisted that they won't trade any 2025 picks. I doubt this happens
he got beef w trae?
I don't usually care much what analysts think but none seem outraged that the Hawks would pass on Sarr. It's a toss-up top of the class.
Only team he’s worked out for is the Wizards. His agent is clearly trying to get him to Washington. My guess is he doesn’t want to play Center, also wants to be the franchise guy. And the Wizards rebuild is still very early so he can grow with them, where the Hawks need to win now.
Congratulations Alex Sarr, you’re a Portland Trail Blazer! Hawks fans, enjoy Donovan Clingan!
Send his bum ass to Washington then. His ego is too big and undeserving to be in a halfway decent team.
folks just be blabbing at this point
This sub believes Twitter folk with absolutely zero sources but draws the line at the most respected insiders lol. As long as it helps your take, right?
Only thing here would be that I did see it claimed by insiders elsewhere that are closer to Atlanta that the Hawks did work him out and are trying to keep it under wraps for some reason.
Thing is is in spite of that claim I've seen, I'm not seeing any sign that Sarr is even in consideration by the Hawks. Right now, I'd say the likely pick is Clingan.
I'd prefer it on a trade down if so. I think #1 is too high of a value.
Givony is the most reliable draft insider imo, he has deep connections with every prospect’s representatives. I’m guessing Sarr’s agent wants him to be a primary option on day 1 of his NBA career.
He wouldn't be #1 in WASH either though. They are trying to rehab Kuzma and Poole to see if they can get some value out of them since they are paying both big $$. Deni, Coulibally, and possibly Kispert) are also in front of him in line.
Sounds like he wants to go somewhere he can get in on the ground floor and can develop without the pressure of winning immediately.
He’s gonna get minutes there tho and he will likely be able to start very early on as a big there. ATL is more focused on making the play in and preserving their status as a fringe playoff team than developing players like sarr
we are trading kuzma. Sarr will be our #1. Poole we are stuck with but we could move him to the 6th man role if he doesn't behave. Either ways our team stinks lmao. If Sarr wants a tanking team. wizards make more sense than the win now hawks. If Sarr wants to win a chip, atlanta is the way to go tho.
He probably wants to tank and develop like you said.
Nah he would be a starter day 1 on the Wiz. Kuzma will most likely be traded, and Washington isn’t going to stop their rebuild for Jordan Poole to get minutes. Coulibaly and Avdija will be Sarrs only competition for the ball, and he will easily get 30 minutes a game as a starter in Washington.
Starter <> "primary option".
Would be surprised if Kuzma was traded and absolutely shocked if Poole was benched. Poole has 3 years left on his deal so he isn't going anywhere. If the FO is to get any value from him, he has to be on the court. If he still isn't any good in 1.5-2 seasons down the line, then they'll start thinking on hard decisions.
Looks like Kuzma is next in line for the "stuck with us through the lean years" storylines for when they are good again. Their ownership seems to value that role and are apparently willing to pay for it. Kuzma is getting $$ similar to Hunter right now and is a worse player. Beal was supposed to be that guy but the lean years lasted too long.
Sarr will undoubtedly get minutes with the big club in WASH - I don't deny that. And he'll have a few games where he will flash and they will feed him too. Even so, Kuzma and Poole are their Tank Commanders right now and are the ones to bear the brunt of being terrible so that the young kids don't get that stink.
kuzma is definitely getting traded. if he isn't wizards fans will riot. (like me).
So you think Clingan is going 7th?
Where there is smoke, there is fire. Sarr not having a workout this late seems to be as if the FO don't really see him as a 4 like the word out there is from Sarr's peoples (allegedly). The uptick in Clingan news plus the private workout, I meannnn....
Hawks know what Sarr is, a private workout isn't going to change how they view him. If they think he is the best prospect they should still pick him #1.
Hawks probably didn't scout him once this year and haven't worked him out.
Sarr isn't a no brainer 1st overall pick(Wemby, AD) so drafting him without proper due diligence is asinine
He has been a top prospect the entire new draft cycle, so not doing any due diligence in scouting is just a bad look, so not sure what the point is there.
I agree he isn't a set in stone #1 pick, if the Hawks value anyone else the same or more then this is easily the tipping point to put Sarr below their main choice. All I'm saying that if he is their clear #1 then he should still be despite no work out.
Taking Risacher is going to be a blunder
His ceiling is DeAndre Hunter.
Clingan is fine but trade down for more assets then get him.
Risasher will shoot better than Deandre on higher volume. He will fall short of Hunter in almost every other way.
He’s already a better ball mover and moving without the ball and in transition.
Risacher can dribble he just can’t create (yet) in the half court Hunter dribbles off of his foot with no one guarding him. Hunter can create in the half court and get to that midrange pull up but he doesn’t get to the rim/free-throw line. And he is a black hole. The ball swings to him and it’s either a shot, dribble into a 15 ft pull up, or turnover.
Hunter is stronger and has a better frame/wingspan than Risacher but it doesn’t translate into blocks or steals or rebounds so who really cares.
Risacher can not dribble. He has an incredibly loose handle. He would have to grow to be a DeAnre level self creator, and that says a lot.
Not true, I’ve seen him grab and go and also dribble in transition just fine. I’ve even seen him bring up the ball. I’m not saying he’s a great dribbler, he can’t do that with any ball pressure. But Hunter will turn the ball over if he dribbles more than three times in a row with zero pressure.
Saying Risacher’s ceiling is De’Andre Hunter is pretty crazy.
Risacher is already a virtual lock to be a better rebounder imo. If he has high end outcomes with the shooting and defense that’s clearly a better player than Hunter, and that’s not an unrealistic outcome imo.
Not disagreeing with you, but ceiling has taken on a weird context imo. Some see it as a 99%-ile outcome (outlier development; see this a lot when talking about prospects with many different outcomes ala Holland); some see it as more in the 80%-ile area (high, but not so high that there is no chance).
Personally use a 90%-ile outcome when talking about ceiling which is probably closer to what you have him pegged at. I can see someone using an 80%-ile outcome and I would have that as very comparable to Hunter (albeit a better defender / worse shooter).
I disagree Risacher will be way better than Hunter.
Risacher will be better than Hunter by next year. Literally all he needs to do is keep up his shooting and get to NBA-level defense and he's better than Hunter.
Can't really blame a guy for not wanting to visit ATL in the summer
I know players refuse to work out with teams pretty regularly but this is embarrassing, he won’t work out for the team with the top pick who isn’t even horrible?