Introducing Grit, the Thruhiking App from OpenLongTrails.orgGear Review

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5/31/2022

I'm excited to announce Grit, the new, free thruhiking app from OpenLongTrails.org!

The initial beta testing version is now available on Android phones through the Google Play store. The Pacific Crest Trail is the first supported trail.

The idea behind the app is fairly simple: it's a list of waypoints, each with its own details screen and comments section. Your current mileage and your location along the waypoints list is shown based on your phone's GPS position. Grit is designed to be used alongside a dedicated mapping app, like Gaia GPS or Caltopo.

Please note that this is a beta testing version. Things will break, and it won't work on all phones. You can send feedback from in the app, or email [email protected].

Thanks for checking it out!

FAQ

How can I download the Android beta testing version?

Follow this link to the Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.openlongtrails.grit

What makes Grit different from other apps that are used for long distance hiking?

Here are some things that differentiate Grit from other hiking apps, in no particular order:

  • Installing Grit instead will free up several gigs of space on your phone, though if you use a third party mapping app it will use some of that space. The current total install size for OLT Grit with the complete PCT is about 70 MB, or 0.07 GB.
    • That is to say: Grit is ultralight.
  • Many of us already maintain subscriptions to one or more dedicated mapping apps (Gaia, Caltopo, etc), because we prefer the feature set and basemaps. Grit is a lightweight and inexpensive way to add crowd-sourced updates about trail conditions and the status of water sources.
  • Grit doesn't have long loading screens.
  • Grit will run quite well and fairly quickly on any inexpensive Android phone. It will even run (and fairly well) on a $25 grocery-store-checkout-line phone.
  • Grit does not track users, and doesn't share personal information with any third parties. I can't confirm or deny whether any other thruhiking apps do.
  • Grit is a good choice for anyone who would prefer to use and contribute information (ie comments, water source updates, etc) to a free and open source, community-oriented (instead of profit-oriented) app and set of thruhiking resources, instead of a corporation.
  • Grit is free.
  • Grit is a great choice for hikers who prefer paper maps, but still want to keep up to date on trail conditions and the status of water sources.

That said, OLT Grit is still at v1.00-beta, and does not yet have an established userbase providing information in the comments. There are many people for whom Grit, in its current form, is not the best choice.

Is there an iPhone version?

No, not at the time of this writing. There are three main reasons: 1) It's easier to launch with support for one OS; 2) I have no experience with Apple products; and 3) afaik the Apple App Store charges an annual fee, and imposes various other requirements.

That said, I would like to offer an iPhone version. Grit is open source and I've intentionally written it in a cross-platform language, so we're already most of the way to having an iPhone version. If there are any interested iPhone developers who would like to work on an iPhone version, please get in touch! Email me at numbers at openlongtrails dot org, or message me on reddit. The post about the technical side of Grit is linked below.

How much does it cost?

Grit is 100% free to use, with no hidden costs. The source code is publicly available under an open source license.

If you would like to support my efforts in building OpenLongTrails.org and resources like Grit, you can buy me a coffee here: https://ko-fi.com/numbershikes.

There is currently no way to donate directly to OpenLongTrails.

Does it have a map?

No. While Grit does use your current location to show your mileage and where you are in the ordered list of waypoints, it does not include a map display, and is designed to be used alongside a dedicated mapping app like Gaia GPS or Caltopo. Built in maps take up a lot of space on users' phones, and the focus of dedicated mapping apps means they can offer many more features.

There are GPX and GeoJSON files available to download for free from https://grit.OpenLongTrails.org that mirror the data Grit uses internally, and these files can be loaded in any mobile mapping app you choose. There's also an official OpenLongTrails publicly shared PCT map in Gaia GPS that you can easily add to your account, also for free (although Gaia charges their own fees for offline use). Instructions on how to quickly and easily add the official OLT PCT Gaia layer to your account are available from https://grit.OpenLongTrails.org. An official Grit PCT map for Caltopo users is in the works.

Note that these PCT maps are available "for personal use only," as they are based on the Halfmile Media PCT data (used with permission).

(OLT Grit is not affiliated with, or endorsed by Gaia GPS or Caltopo, and receives no portion of any fees paid to these companies).

Will a future version have a map?

It's a possibility, but it's also not a high priority.

If a future version does offer maps, it will likely be in a separate "Grit + Maps" app, and OLT Grit will continue to exist in its current, lightweight form.

Are there instructions about how to use the app?

Version 1 should be fairly self-explanatory: pick a trail and download it, then click on a waypoint to see the description and comments.

A few things to be aware of in the beta version:

  • You have to manually sync in order to send/receive new comments and trail updates;
  • The current form of the waypoints search feature is not particularly advanced;
  • There isn't a GPS "smoothing" routine yet, which means that if you're standing near multiple waypoints, your current location may jump around a bit in the list, due to regular GPS noise.

These features will be improved in future versions.

To hear news about updates to Grit, check the 'Announcements' in the app (linked from the Settings screen -- remember to sync first!), visit https://www.OpenLongTrails.org/blog, and subscribe to r/OpenLongTrails.

Where does the data come from?

For future trails, the plan is to source most data from OpenStreetMap and user contributions. The app is launching with the PCT as the first trail, which is based on the public Halfmile Media data (https://pctmap.net). The Halfmile team has generously given permission for OLT Grit to use their PCT data (which is normally "for personal use only"), and I can't thank them enough. David and Lon are amazing people.

What about user privacy? Does OLT Grit share user info? Does it have ads?

OLT Grit has no ads. Information about users is never shared outside of OpenLongTrails.

There is an option on the app's settings screen to share your anonymous GPS info with OpenLongTrails. This data will be used to keep the trail routes up to date, both in OpenLongTrails and, in the future, on OpenStreetMap. User submitted Waypoint Suggestions will be used in the same way.

Currently, a free account is required to use the app. Signup requires an email address and phone number. Again, these are never shared outside of OpenLongTrails in any way.

The first beta version of the app lists some extra permissions on the Play Store page that are never used in the app, such as writing to external storage. These permissions are required only as a byproduct of the libraries used in the development process, and will be removed in a future version as soon as possible.

I'd like to see Grit's source code, and/or read about the tech stack.

The source code for the frontend is available on Github: https://github.com/OpenLongTrails/grit. To learn about the technical details, there's an r/traildevs writeup here.

In brief: The frontend is React Native built with Expo, and the backend is all AWS via Amplify. Grit is free and open source software, licensed under the AGPLv3.

I'd like to thank the many people that have made this app possible. First and foremost: my amazing family, and my generous partner, for their endless patience and support. The people at Halfmile Media, for their incredible generosity. David and Lon are an inspiration. The thruhiking community, and all of the spectacular hikertrash that I've met and hiked with over the years and miles. The online thruhiking community, especially on reddit. The trail angels who have cared for me and who have allowed me to serve the community alongside them. The Pacific Crest Trail community. The people at the PCTA. And the team at Expo, makers of the React Native service with which Grit is built.

Disclaimer: OLT Grit is not in any way affiliated with, or endorsed by, Gaia GPS, Caltopo, or Halfmile Media.

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Introducing OpenLongTrails.org: Creating, collecting, and freely distributing information about long distance nature trails around the world.Trails

Hi r/Ultralight, Numbers here.

I want to share with you that I've created a new project: OpenLongTrails.org!

Here's the announcement blog post, which includes a FAQ that explains the goals of the project in more detail. Check out the List of Long Trails on LongTrailsWiki.net, it's current 180 trails long!

As it says in the title, the purpose of OLT is:

To create, collect, and freely distribute information about long distance nature trails around the world.

OLT brings together some of my existing projects, such as LongTrailsMap.net and LongTrailsWiki.net, and provides a foundation for additional future projects, such as GPS downloads, online trail databooks, OpenStreetMap and Wikidata contributions, and more.

I've been part of the thruhiking community for awhile now, and I've noticed that a lot of the information we need in order to use the trails is scattered across blogs and videos, and sometimes locked behind paywalls and profit-oriented apps.

OpenLongTrails is part of my effort to address that, by providing a set of information resources committed to free, libre, and opensource principles, that are focused on the long distance nature trails community.

I'm a thruhiker, too, so updates may be sporadic during the season, but my LongTrails*.net projects have been online for years, and I intend for OLT to have similar staying power.

Thanks for reading, and please join us on r/OpenLongTrails and read the blog post to learn more about the project and see how you can get involved! LongTrailsWiki.net could especially use editors. Most of the articles are currently 'stubs' (ie, just a few sentences or a mostly-empty template), and the r/Ultralight community has a tremendous amount of hiking and trail knowledge. It would be great to see it distilled on OLT.

And thank you, r/ul mod team, for approving this post!

Edit: And thanks for the awards!

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

There will always be hikers who don't want to do their research, but I think spreading the word about the 'recent satellite imagery' layer on the official PCTA map will help reduce the amount of hikers who have to suffer through ill-advised flips every year.

I just wish it would load more reliably.

https://arcg.is/1mWre90

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

In case anyone missed it, OP is Mac, the HalfwayAnywhere guy who does the PCT (and other) Surveys that have benefited so many thousands of thruhikers on the PCT and other trails.

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How's your pack fit? First thing that comes to mind to check is whether the shoulder straps are hitting a nerve. Look at your load lifters, if you have them.

If it started two weeks into your hike I doubt it has anything to do with vitamins. It's possible to have symptoms from vitamin deficiencies from being on the typical thruhiking ultra-processed diet, but usually only after longer periods.

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Locked because ya'll can't behave.

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http://www.longtrailswiki.net/wiki/Seasonality_of_Long_Trails

PCT sobos are finishing up the Desert around then.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

Speaking as someone with a 10-ish pound baseweight, UL is not crucial at all, not even remotely so.

The total weight you can comfortably carry is different for everyone, but it's not difficult to get your baseweight for the PCT to under 20 pounds, and I found the difference between 15 and 20 pounds to be significant.

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https://www.OpenLongTrails.org

Just a heads up re the Greater Patagonia Trail, people who have been there say that it skips the views that you would expect for the region, and that it frequently routes through private property where the owners don't like to see strangers coming through and if you don't speak the local dialect it can be challenging to de-escalate.

That's hearsay, but seems very plausible to me.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

Probably, yes. Sorry.

PCT Long Distance Permits cannot be printed as of the start date, and they're only valid when printed. PCTA has rarely made exceptions in the past for special circumstances.

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Just ftr, I disagree with nearly every sentence of your comment so thoroughly that it would take far more time than I have available to write out a reply.

So instead, I'll focus on the few parts where I agree:

  • A couple of shakedown hikes, while not absolutely necessary, are always a good idea for beginners. Backpacking gear is not complicated, but for hikers prone to anxiety there's a lot of peace of mind that can come from having successfully filtered water, pitched, and slept outside a few times.

  • For people who want to allay anxieties about lack of experience prior to a thru, it's usually a better idea to just get out there than to spend more time watching videos, reading blogs, etc.

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You're welcome!

I’m really motivated by people telling me I can do it.

Oh, you definitely can.

When I was a volunteer at Scout and Frodo's (San Diego PCT trail angels) in 2018, I would sometimes take a quick poll of the hikers at breakfast before we loaded up the vans to drive everyone to Campo.

Most mornings, it was somewhere around 80% that had never taken more than a week long trip, and a significant percentage had never done more than a few nights of car camping.

Of course, not everyone made it to Canada, but I'm sure many did, and even most of those who didn't still had an amazing adventure.

Don't let the naysayers drag you down. For some reason some people online like to pretend that thruhiking is only for an elite few. They're wrong. People get off the trail for things like overuse injuries, running out of money, family issues back home, or finding that hiking for weeks and months at a time just isn't really their thing, but hardly anyone quits because there was something they couldn't figure out. If you want some confirmation of that, see the "Why hikers didn't finish" section of the HA PCT survey: https://www.halfwayanywhere.com/trails/pacific-crest-trail/pct-hiker-survey-2023/#why-hikers-didnt-finish

Can you pitch a tent? Can you filter water? Can you light a camp stove? Can you follow a red line on a GPS app? Great! You know 90+% of what you need to know.

Do some basic research before buying your gear (I recommend the HalfwayAnywhere gear surveys), figure out your start date window, spend a few minutes making sure you understand how to use FarOut, go on a couple of overnighters first (not required, but a good idea), and try to be in reasonably good physical condition when you start. That's pretty much all you need to start the CT as your first thru. It's such a friendly trail that people who have a couple of other thru's under their belt can plan the whole hike on the drive to the trailhead.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

From the About page:

If you can wear out our socks, send them to us and we'll replace them free of charge. For life.

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Manufactured by Darn Tough Vermont. Our family mill has been making socks in Vermont, USA for over 45 years. Every pair of WIDE OPEN socks is manufactured with the experience and expertise of Darn Tough Vermont.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

From the About page:

If you can wear out our socks, send them to us and we'll replace them free of charge. For life.

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Manufactured by Darn Tough Vermont. Our family mill has been making socks in Vermont, USA for over 45 years. Every pair of WIDE OPEN socks is manufactured with the experience and expertise of Darn Tough Vermont.

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You can totally do it, you don't even need to do much prep. Thruhiking is just "enthusiastic walking." At the end of the day, you camp. Once a week, you go into town and buy groceries. While it can be difficult at times, it's rarely complicated.

Just about any experienced thruhiker will tell you that the struggles are at least 90% in your head, and mostly have to do with enduring suffering. There are almost no technical skills involved on the US long trails, so it doesn't require much prep or experience at all to be successful. As long as you can pitch a tent and filter water you'll be fine. There are a few more things to learn, but you can figure it all out on the trail.

You might want to schedule at least five weeks. 500 miles is 25 days of 20 miles each, and you'll want to spend a few days in town, have a relaxing nero once in awhile, and have some margin for when weather makes it so you can't get your miles for the day (like afternoon lightening storms on Collegiate West).

The CT is a blast and imo it's an absolutely wonderful intro to thruhiking, you're going to have a great time. Be sure to submit a few 14ers along the way.

Feel free to post here any time you have questions or need encouragement.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

The r/thruhiking sidebar has an entire section on "Affordable Ultralight" with links to a half dozen different articles and posts filled with more information.

These days it's possible to build a really lightweight kit for around six or seven hundred dollars without too much effort. It won't be quite as durable as the more expensive stuff from the cottage gear companies, but a lot of it is good enough to last for a PCT thru.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

Hah, thanks. We should thank Galen at PCTA, he's the one who made the map, which uses ArcGIS resources.

I just updated the comment you replied to with a bit more info. Hth.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

If you're looking for current snow data, go to the official PCTA map at https://arcg.is/1nKPX90, enable the "Imagery and Conditions > Sentinel-2 Recent Satellite Imagery" layer, and zoom in until the mile markers show up. If the 'Permit areas' shading is getting in the way, turn it off at "Recreation > Permit Areas" by clicking until it changes to the 'eye with a line through it' icon.

It can take awhile for the satellite images to show up, sometimes even a minute or two, and once you scroll you have to wait again for the next one. To see when a particular image was taken, click on it and check the date in the infobox. As of 5/28 most of the images are from within the past four days.

If you zoom out more than one or two levels from where mile markers show up, the map automatically switches to archived satellite imagery which can be from several years ago.

Looks like the longest contiguous stretch of snow-free trail from Kearsarge to at least Cascade Locks is still no more than two or three days of hiking at most, which is normal for this time of year.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org

$2k - 3k is pretty common to buy gear for a thruhike.

It can be easier to justify the expense if you think about it in terms of cost per mile hiked, or cost per day of living on the trail, etc, especially if you don't have to pay rent/mortgage while hiking. And most gear will outlast a PCT thru, so the denominator is a lot more than 2650 miles or 5 months, which brings the price down even further.

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'17 nobo, '18 lash, '19 Trail Angel. OpenLongTrails.org
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This is such a great origin story if you eventually become a Triple Crowner lol.

I'm glad you faced down your fears enough to get a few miles and that you got to see how supportive and encouraging the thruhiking community can be, which is one of its best qualities. The "real life" thru community is even better compared to the online version.

I hope everything goes well reconnecting with your family. If you eventually decide to try the PCT again at some point in the future, please make another post here to let us know!