Yeah, that's why I also mentioned his stats before, he's obviously not hanging with anybody in the new world with stats that were relative to alabasta zoro back then. 

But considering what seems to be pretty big croc upscale and the fact that at the time daz bones had really great stats (being relative to zoro was impressive back then), I think his current stats will be good too

This might be the first time you've seen a joke, so let me be very clear with you. Some people make serious arguments that are meant to be taken seriously, some just say shit to get a laugh out of people. The latter are not supposed to be taken seriously 

Ik that Oda jokes around during sbs too. An often misunderstood thing is also the standard lifespan shit, oda said it was 140 and a lot of people took it seriously when it was just a joke (he did make kureha 141 yo post-ts tho lol; makes the joke perfect, even when taking his joke into account, she should be dead already, she really is an old hag)

There were also some very few ones who seriously thought the whole question about a human awakening chopper's DF and then becoming enlightened and the Buddha was oda being fr lol.

(I agree about the composition thing you mentioned btw; would look weird if all 5 old guys were just sitting there when we see them, right?)

I can see where you're coming from and I think your argumentation is good. And Dragon could very well become PK level

But remember that he is also the endgame kinemon my g. His fated enemy should be Im. Who just so happens to be luffy's fated enemy who will only be defeated by luffy and not Dragon who at the end of the day is just a side character. 

I'm just warning you since you seem to be a fan of the character and seem to expect great things from him. Just saying, it may be scabbards vs kaido all over again. Dragon may do the one or other impressive thing vs Im, but he will inevitably be a scrub for Imu. Dragon will neither defeat nor even push Im very far in terms of difficulty. At best Dragon could fight Im a bit like yamato fought kaido and look good, but still not be a threat to Im

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. Basic haki and better DF mastery for more durability and AP is something we can all expect of him (cuz basic haki is a requirement for any big shots in the new world)

Only an increase in stats is questionable, but considering the croc upscale I think it's pretty much guaranteed that daz bones' stats will be upscaled as well. 

(We didn't see croc fight yet, but his bounty speaks for pretty clear upscale for him; jinbe is also an ex-warlord and prisoner like him and also joined a yonko and fought in war to bring 2 yonko down, yet he got over 800 million less than croc; a big part of croc's bounty must be strength, especially since all the credit for crossguild went to buggy)

same, I hope Imu will also get comedy elements like that

daz bones has aura, I can see him being jack level or even higher

pretty sure nami doesn't have any yonko power left. zeus got most of his soul and thus strength eaten by hera. pretty sure only his tracking ability is left while any kinda firepower from BM's DF is gone. jack would just no-sell their attacks and low-diff

spawning limbs also doesn't mean shit when those limbs are way too weak. jack still has far higher stats than even demon robin. she can try to stop him in his tracks with many limbs, but he'll just break or cut those limbs and the damage will be transferred to robin's real body

give me a reason why he is PK level first

Ik, but that just means shiryu is stronger than current zoro without some kinda great CoO. overall power is determined by who wins, that's what matters. not who has more AP or durability or whatever. shiryu can have all his stats be below zoro's, but if he can defeat the current him with his DF, then he's just stronger

this shit reminds me of luffytards saying he only got knocked down vs kizaru cuz of his bad stamina as if that doesn't count and that luffy won lol. how the result of the battle is achieved doesn't matter (as long as it's 1v1), only the result matters. kizaru vs luffy was a clear draw and if shiryu can defeat zoro 1v1, then he's just stronger, all other stats be damned

"pretty easily", blud was huffing and bleeding after he won lol. and he clearly took a lot of damage from shockwille, it's not like he got little damage. he's just an endurance monster, that's why he tanked it. remember that he also took some quaking from WB directly to the head, a slash before that, a shockwave from sengoku later on and was still ready to go.

it's moreso impressive for law which this sub doesn't want to accept. especially zorotards after zoro vs lucci while law 1v1d a freaking yonko. this sub can't have law being impressive and being an entire tier higher than zoro for example, so they downplay BB instead. and say that zoro would also be able to do the same things law did vs BB 🤣. despite zoro needing quite some time to finally beat lucci (who is complete fodder to yonko as seen when g5 luffy beats lucci no-diff without even using his best ability, aCoC)

honesty impact one-shots after xdrake draws doffy's attention

I will never understand how people put shiryu, a future zoro opponent, below current zoro

all I know is that BM and hawkins are the lowest ones for sure lmfao. 0 skill and in hawkins case even 0 effort seen

oden, he can spam attacks like ashura dead man's game and dragon damnation all the time, zoro can barely do it once, maybe twice now.

fr fr, the demaro black shit made kidd stocks rise massively tbh. other than kidd, only luffy's indentity was used by demaro before luffy's epic return. plus oda has demaro and his pals talk about joyboy vs luffy (more material for my theory of kidd being luffy's WB-like friendly rival EoS)

this shit is putting a clock on me and my post now. trying to write a large theory post about our goat's epic return and EoS role before the episode drops. cuz when I post it the day the episode drops (on the op sub, will also post it here tho), I may be able to recruit more kidd believers to this sub lol. it'll be the mfing bible of this sub I swear

And to finish koby got no W in hachinosu

He had to be rescued and garp had to sacrifice himself to let his fodder team escape

I understand why you see it this way and if that's your opinion, that's okay. but fact is, the story treated HI as a huge W for koby. even garp arriving to save koby at all was a huge W, it showed how much garp values koby, the latter himself never expected such a rescue operation.

and garp himself had something interesting to say which you clearly didn't notice. he said that that rescue operation will deal a huge blow to pirates all over the world and that they (what you call "fodder team") are all the future of the marines. so in his eyes not only was the operation a personal success cuz he saved his student, but it was also a huge W for the marines, specifically to the combat power of the marines considering the "huge blow to pirates" part.

"only" koby was saved and garp was lost, yet the op was a huge W for the marines according to garp himself? you know what that means right? a koby in the near future>>>current old garp. and something like that can only come true when koby reaches prime garp levels of strength. koby will be the next garp, and the "fodder team" you mentioned will become the next gen's powerhouses of the marines

And to finish it's koby just gonna jump from marine captain to admiral ?

What kind of promotion is that (?)

I agree with the sentiment here, but again, ranks are worthless nowadays. maynard was a VA and got rekt by barto lmfao. another VA got one-shot by franky.

you even have direct comparison between a VA and koby on amazon island, the VA got petrified and simped for boa, koby did not.

and it's not only koby, feat-wise helmeppo is also above maynard, and he's ranked even below koby lmfao. Grus is also far stronger than the likes of maynard, but guess what, even he isn't a VA. ranks don't mean shit, especially for the young guns in the marines. I can promise you this, even if luffy would have joined the marines, chances are he, even as a yonko level fighter, would still not be an admiral, he'd maybe be a VA at best if he got lucky. remember that freaking kizaru was a VA for a long time too (as seen when he fodderized arlong years ago; and kizaru looked like he was middle-aged back then, so he must have been far lower in rank than he should be for decades), despite scaling 100x above fodder VAs like maynard

I'm just saying it's extremely unreliable to try to measure haki explosions to powerscale a character

true, but in this case we have pretty obvious parallels as well as a direct comparison. garp says koby is the future marines, koby uses the same "impact" naming scheme for his attacks, etc

this  is also a good post to showcase some of the obvious hints (I'm too lazy to write so much myself)

And again if measuring black lines can tell the difference between Acoc and regular armament

Then ulti has acoc being a tobi roppo tier character that it's stated to not be able to fight a yonko commander

It's Acoc power a tobi roppo tier feat now (?)

copy and paste from my last comment, idk why you ignore it:

most of the times it actually is. in 99% of the cases black lightining is aCoC, as seen with luffy vs kaido and yamato vs kaido. it's just this sub who throws the same few exceptions whenever somebody argues otherwise. from my head, you have ulti with black lightning trailing from her headbutt, same with katakuri with a block mochi punch, BB's quake punch vs law's submarine causing black lightning and I think jinbe vs WW had black lightning once too. take these 4 exceptions vs all the times black lightning was aCoC lol (luffy's, kaido's, yamato's and zoro's aCoC attacks during the raid plus BM's aCoC punch). 4 exceptions vs what I'd say are at least 50 aCoC attacks, maybe more

do I really need to pull up with a compilation of all the attacks with black lightning that were aCoC? there's far more of those than the few exceptions. it's just a simple fact that, oda hasn't been 100% consistent with aCoC, but he was over 90% consistent with it, so we don't need and we shouldn't say that black lightning isn't an indicator for aCoC at all anymore.

Idk why this sub sees everything as an absolute and exact science when it clearly isn't. to test your argumentation, I can also turn things around using your logic. so black lightning isn't an indicator for aCoC? okay, luffy's WSG vs kizaru wasn't aCoC then. kaido's ragnaraku wasn't aCoC, his thunder bagua wasn't aCoC and so on and so forth. I could now argue that most past aCoC attacks weren't aCoC attacks cuz most of them only had black lightning as an indicator. especially in yamato's case, I could now argue that she isn't an aCoC user at all since her only indicator for aCoC usage was black lightning

as you can see, this shit clearly doesn't work at all

It's supposed to be only what top tiers have

or those who will become top-tiers? luffy himself wasn't a top-tier at all before aCoC, aCoC is what pushed him up there in the first place. zoro was even weaker and only got aCoC via enma drawing it out for him

my point is koby will evolve similar to luffy. he will go from not being a top-tier to learning how to use aCoC and thus becoming a top-tier

And the situation in kuja island showcases that koby is still a garbage tier fighter

Any yonko commander would have dodged boa on time and proceed to engage in battle

so Ig luffy, kaido and kidd are garbage tier fighters? oden too? all of them got caught off-guard too. kaido and luffy didn't even see the CP0 agent coming, and only saw him when it was too late and they couldn't react to him at all anymore. same goes for oden vs kaido, oden was off-guard cuz of the old hag, kaido also couldn't stop himself back then

kidd also saw shanks attacking him last second, but it was too late to react then. if oda wants a character to be caught off-guard, then that's all there is to it. being caught off-guard is no anti-feat lol. being caught off-guard, seeing the incoming attack at the last second, but it being too late to react in any way is exactly what happened to other top-tiers already, two of them being yonko even

I'd say Kidd was the one who did the most damage to Big Mom, she was knocked to the ground and had bones broken most likely by Kidd at least 4 out of 5 times, at least Law's attacks don't strike me as powerful, but I could be wrong idk.

nah, they were more or less equal overall. law hit BM with shockwille twice and then with a puncture wille. with punk clash kidd dealt a lot more damage to BM than the first shockwille (BM after shockwille: bleeding out of one nostril and one end of her mouth; BM after punk clash: bleeding out of both nostrils, both ends of her mouth, both eyes and a bit from her temple plus blood was dripping from her), but the move could only be used thanks to law's shambles, or else kidd would have dealt damage to himself too

then we got the 2nd shockwille which broke BM's ribs (and probably dealt a lot of damage to her organs, it's a shockwave after all. it hits everything there, not just bones) and cprna dio which broke her arm. pretty even.

and the last bit was law using puncture wille once. then kidd used damned punk which made BM react in the exact same way as puncture wille (so those moves are pretty much equal there), then kidd used it a second time. so thanks to punk clash (which was only possible thanks to law) and the 2nd damned punk, kidd dealt more damage. but the 2nd DP was also only possible cuz law took care of misery in the meantime.

they also created the same number of openings contrary to popular belief, kidd gave law the opening for the first shockwille as well as the one for puncture wille. while law gave kidd openings to use the first and second damned punks.

kidd did deal more damage than law did, but that was only possible thanks to law's support. plus law played a key role again when he silenced BM (which prevented her from disassembling misery and calling prometheus or hera to save her from the fall into the lava via flight). so imo they're overall even

I can also see why you may think that law's attacks weren't all that, but the opposite was proven vs BB. his shockwille was even with a gura punch. something only sengoku and akainu were able to do with their attacks. so shockwille has absolutely top-tier AP with duraneg stacked on top of that. his shockwille is causing circular shockwaves that go in all directions with the power of a gura punch, all even inside of his opponent if the attack lands

nah, killer scales way above even sulong inu and neko. the scabbards were shitting their pants when kaido used his wind scythe spam attack and dodged cuz they didn't have the balls to try and block (only kiku tried it).

later on kaido uses the same move vs the SNs and they treat it as the fodder attack it is, they just keep charging and attacking and block or dodge that shit. zoro blocks one-handed, killer no-look dodges cuz he was worried about kidd when the latter's mech got hit

later on kaido uses wind scythes against them again:

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killer blocks two at the same time, each with one arm lol. killer, with 0 visible haki use and just his sonic scythes and physical strength, blocked what the scabbards couldn't block. killer's physical strength>>inu/neko with high base physical stats, then extremely boosted physical stats due to sulong plus advanced armament

all SNs on the rooftop>>>all scabbards on the rooftop. the SNs, including killer, completley no-selled the shit kaido threw at them while the scabbards, including sulong neko and inu, didn't even wanna face that same shit head-on

gotta love the agendas on this one. first is good ol' ray obviously. but beckmann ain't second and he ain't above shiryu lmfao. shanks will most likely be a BB victim considering that he's going after him rn. whether wankmann loses to shiryu 1v1 or even if they don't fight, shiryu>wankmann is clear

cuz the BBPs will pretty clearly be the strongest enemies amongst pirates for luffy, the strongest PK rivals. this generation's xebec. so shiryu sure as shit won't be written to lose to wankmann, the 2nd in command of a side character. a hyped up side character, but a side character (and BB victim) nonetheless.

the BBPs have far more relevance than the RHPs, simple as that. oda won't write some other pirate crew to be stronger than the MC's archenemy lmfao. he's not gonna write wankmann being stronger than shiryu but losing to him cuz of underhanded tactics, or cuz he maybe slipped on and got K.O.d by Banana D. Peel. or zoro beating shiryu and later on saying "Oh what a shame, I couldn't fight against beckmann who was stronger than this shiryu guy". or zoro beating shiryu and the RHPs never fighting the BBPs and beckmann is somewhere in the distance, saying "Acktually 🤓, I'm stronger than shiryu"

it's not gonna happen bruh. the BBPs will be the SHs' final obstacle to making luffy the PK, not shanks and his pals. thus beckmann cannot and will not be stronger than shiryu for hakiman, gunman or databookman reasons

Dressrosa tobi roppo tier Zoro did a bigger feat with no acoc..... Just regular armament with good ryou

this comparison doesn't work tho. now you're actually just cherrypicking by only comparing koby to that. compare everyone to that and see if it makes sense. if we use this and compare it to other characters, we get this

zoro in dressrosa>garp (needed aCoC to destroy less than what zoro cut)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BM (got her bones broken by corna dio which got blocked by a normal wall; thus zoro, who can cut much more than a wall, should be able to easily cut BM in half with a single attack)

that's why I compare just garp to koby. comparing zoro to koby and not everyone else is just dishonest imo.

And currently we have 0 idea if koby used either armament or conquerors

I mean he definitely used armament considering we see hardening lol

Measuring black lines isn't a way to tell either

most of the times it actually is. in 99% of the cases black lightining is aCoC, as seen with luffy vs kaido and yamato vs kaido. it's just this sub who throws the same few exceptions whenever somebody argues otherwise. from my head, you have ulti with black lightning trailing from her headbutt, same with katakuri with a block mochi punch, BB's quake punch vs law's submarine causing black lightning and I think jinbe vs WW had black lightning once too. take these 4 exceptions vs all the times black lightning was aCoC lol (luffy's, kaido's, yamato's and zoro's aCoC attacks during the raid plus BM's aCoC punch). 4 exceptions vs what I'd say are at least 50 aCoC attacks, maybe more

Also the fact that oda still has koby as a marine captain tells you he has no bigger plans for koby in the story

nah, rank stopped having any meaning since post-ts. koby was already pre-ts stronger than a marine captain just cuz he already had soru. and now he's even way above the average VA bum (VA plus all marines plus all of BB's guys got fodderized by boa, but koby not), yet rn he's ranked as a marine captain (fodder which luffy fought at MF).

And if anyone rescues garp it will be Luffy when he faces Blackbeard in 2 arcs from now...

yes, but who will take care of aokiji? and I'm not saying that luffy won't rescue garp and that koby will do it alone. imo they'll both do it in a group effort by each of them beating their opponents. luffy will definitely come to rescue garp, but so will koby. garp just sacrificed himself for him, koby ain't just gonna sit on his ass and wait for a miracle

Oda even had the chance to hand koby a W in kuja island instead gave the W to Blackbeard and he got a huge L.

idk what the L there is? he was about to be caught off-guard by boa, but got saved by BB who then caught Boa off-guard. the scenes he got there were rather for his character tbh. he's off-guard and nearly dies cuz he cares about his pals and the marine fodder so much (didn't want the seraphim to accidentally destroy the petrified fodder). his naivety is also shown for the first time when he believes boa's words (she was obviously lying and wanted to backstab them), forshadowing for his naive behaviour in hachinosu which gets garp stabbed. then koby sacrifices himself for all the imprisoned marine fodder

and he got the W in hachinosu anyways. got the final big attack, saved his pals with garp's help, got called the future of the marines by garp...

koby has clearly been getting more and better portrayal recently.

bro sanji's not even that fast. guy got tagged by queen's fat ass twice. plus kidd is probably faster than marco who is fast and agile himself. both fought BM 1v1 for 2 chapters, mostly offscreen. marco got caught after one clash with a homie (not even BM lol), kidd was fine when law arrived to join. which also means kidd without even using awakening>>>marco when it comes to general combat prowess. and kidd with awakening rn (he got used to it and can spam it)>wano kidd using awakening (can use it like 5 or 6 times)>>>>>>wano kidd without awakening

kidd no joke beats high-level yonko commanders like marco and sanji mid-diff at most. maybe even low-diff. people on the powerscaling sub say high-diff this and extreme-diff that when they talk about sanji or zoro vs kidd, but neither of the two have any kinda answer to assign. and they ain't blitzing kidd all the time without the latter reacting to them.

sanji or zoro could at best land two or three attacks on kidd (which he'll easily tank cuz he tanked tons of BM's attacks already and her attacks>>>>>>>>>sanji's attacks), then they get assigned, gg.

I'm afraid the opposite has been happening. this sub be coping hard af cuz they always gatekeep top-tier levels of strength. koby's HI caused as much destruction as an aCoC galaxy divide from garp and caused similar damage to pizarro.

it's just this sub that's coping and saying it's just a dressrosa zoro level feat. it's not. it's an aCoC garp feat. it's better to compare the two attacks from the very same chapter instead of koby now and zoro from 8 years ago. or else zoro with basic armament in dressrosa>>>garp with aCoC cuz zoro also cut more than garp did too

plus there's the black lighting and the huge gap between koby and the hand. big gaps only exist between aCoC users and their targets. the gap between just aCoA users and their targets is so tiny that oda didn't even bother drawing it when luffy used that with g4 vs kaido.

I'm pretty sure that HI was aCoC cuz how else did koby match an aCoC attack from garp? he can't do that with just aCoA. plus koby being exhausted makes more sense with aCoC being used, we already know from zoro that using aCoC takes a ton of haki.

anyways, this sub ain't ready for that. but my prediction is HI was aCoC+aCoA combined. and koby will now train in the meantime and when he eventually comes back to hachinosu to get garp back, he'll be able to spam attacks like HI and become a top-tier as he beats aokiji.

and 2 arcs is more than enough time to become a top-tier tbh. one arc was enough to get luffy from yc1 to yonko level, kidd and law from at best yc1 to yc+ and zoro and sanji from maybe jack level to beating yc1s. I'd say koby will first heal during egghead, then train and power up during elbaf and if hachinosu comes after elbaf, he can be yc+ there. mid-fight power-up vs aokiji, then he's a proper top-tier