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Yes, but the Doctor would have immediately called that shit if it didn’t make some sort of sense within DW logic. Would have been a dead giveaway that it was a dream.
I mean, usually it is the camera shaking not the set. Far less expensive to do it that way.
Not to mention that the dream lord dropped them outside a cold star which was freezing the tardis inside and out. Which, if the Tardis interior is a separate entity from the exterior shouldn't make sense either.
Well, We finally got our answer!
Kindof
We at least know that The Trickster and The Toymaker are definitively connected by the same Pantheon (of Discord) alongside Sutekh and Mara.
We can only spectate on their exact nature, but given what we have seen of them so far. They fit the bill as Elder Gods. They do not naturally inhabit our universe and have to be let in. But once they are here they have an unfathomable amount of control over the fabric of our reality.
My knowledge of classic is very limited. But the few clips I've seen don't really show the Tardis shaking the the extent it did for series 1-6. A jostle here-and-there to signify landing is different than the entire Tardis violently quaking for the entire duration of the flight.
I mean, The Doctor has never exactly screamed OSHA compliance. It makes sense that his method of travel would be as haphazard as his style of living. I like janky Tardises that fly janky.
It especially worked well during the 9-11 eras honing in on the idea that The Doctor and his Tardis are both old and the last of their kind. A bit haggard but holding together. It's not like the Doctor can pop out and grab a replacement part. He has to make do with what he has. And what he has is a type 40 Tardis that was supposedly already a museum piece by the time he snatched it.
The shaking definitely aided that description. It's old and rickety, needs constant attention and service, and flies a bit rough.
“It is a ship afterall. Weirdly enough it doesn’t do a lot of flying” —10th Doctor
He did. Kind of just disregarded after that though.
She said that was why it whirred when landing, not why it shakes.
Why Doesn’t The Tardis Shake Anymore?DISCUSSION
Does anyone else notice this? I understand this wasn’t really a thing in Classic, but the Tardis shaking was such a staple of the modern series. But sometime around either late Smith or Capaldi’s run the practice was stopped. Which is a crying shame because the shaking did a great job of making the Tardis feel like more than just your average magic door. Made it feel like the Tardis itself was travelling. Not just its policebox exterior.
Has there ever been any stated reason as to why the practice was stopped?
Why Doesn’t The Tardis Shake Anymore?Discussion
Does anyone else notice this? I understand this wasn’t really a thing in Classic, but the Tardis shaking was such a staple of the modern series. But sometime around either late Smith or Capaldi’s run the practice was stopped. Which is a crying shame because the shaking did a great job of making the Tardis feel like more than just your average magic door. Made it feel like the Tardis itself was travelling. Not just its policebox exterior.
Has there ever been any stated reason as to why the practice was stopped?
Meat is a really good one and Small Worlds is too. I think they round up my top 5 of the first two seasons. I really wish Doctor Who proper would do something with those Faries. They were fascinating. Especially with the budget they have nowadays. They'd pair great with the modern series considering it's all about extra-universal entities and have already explored folklore in the form of Goblins.
If goblins are the goofy pantomime end of that spectrum. Fairies can be the deadly serious end.
Hell! The Toymaker already opened the association with flower petals up.
While Eugene definitely had semi-romantic attachments to Gwen. The lesson being learned by Gwen here was not that she was wrong for not giving Eugene the time of day, but rather the fact that she ignored someone who clearly needed help because she thought him ordinary (Non-alien, etc).
The whole point of the episode was Gwen reconnecting with her humanity after losing touch with it spending all her time dealing with aliens, monsters, time travel, paradoxes, etc. Her scale of the universe had grown so large that she began to see everyone else in her life as ants. "What does one person matter in a whole wide universe?"
When we first met Gwen she was a well-meaning constable who would spend her time in a heartbeat helping someone like Eugene. She by no means owes him any time romantically, but as an officer of the law, she does owe him help. By the time Random Shoes comes around she has completely lost touch with that side of herself and delving in and actually helping Eugene after his death is her mission to absolve that wrong. To do good on the duty she swore into.
It's a turning point for her character. While Gwen would continue to struggle balancing life as a Torchwood agent and life as a doting wife and mother, she did continue to go out of her way to be the bleeding heart of the group, willing to help those the rest of the team similarly labeled "unimportant".
I think Random Shoes and Adrift are wonderful episodes in their own right and pair well together because they both deal with Gwen's separation between regular life and Torchwood. Random Shoes is an important milestone in her character's development because it deepened her connection with the rest of humanity. Throughout the first couple seasons of Torchwood. One of the major subplots was that Gwen was losing touch with reality beyond Torchwood. She dealt with aliens and monsters and timetravel day-in-day-out and slowly lost her connection with the outside world and day-to-day life. It showed most visibly in the strained relationship between her and Rhys.
Random Shoes reconnected Gwen with reality directly by putting her in a very human situation. No aliens, no time-rift, just people being people. And it grounded her greatly. Adrift reconnected Gwen with the regular world indirectly by weakening her connection with Torchwood. Eroding not only trust in the people around her but her faith in the mission they are tasked to do.
Damn! Pointless is a harsh criticism to point at any media regardless of its overall quality. What makes it pointless?
Do People Like "Random Shoes"?DISCUSSION
Torchwood seasons 1 and 2 definitely have a mixed reception among fans. For every Countrycide there is a Day One.
One episode I have always loved was the experimental Random Shoes. I can understand why it might not be to everyone's tastes. The fact that is shows so many directorial and formatting similarities to Love and Monsters probably doesn't help its case with a lot of people. But in my opinion and experience, not only does Random Shoes manage to outshine its Doctor Who counterpart, but actually deepens my appreciation for the original.
Love and Monsters is not a 'good' episode, but for me it is an enjoyable one. For its unique atmosphere directing, and, of course, ironic hilarity.
Random Shoes in spite of its unique framing is a very grounded affair. Not a story of great alien invasions or monsters stalking the night. But instead a study of people. The core of Random Shoes is seeing the person finally get a view of his life from an outside perspective. Follow him as he finds closure in his life. It's a tough episode to watch at times because you get to watch very real situations of relationships that meant a lot to him but not to the other people. Friends who didn't care, family that abandoned him. And the few people who did care he couldn't see beyond his own insecurity.
It has always remained in my top 3 episodes since I first watched it. Alonside the aforementioned Countrycide and Adrift.
But I don't know if this opinion is shared within the larger community at all. What are your thoughts?
Do People Like "Random Shoes"? Discussion
Torchwood seasons 1 and 2 definitely have a mixed reception among fans. For every Countrycide there is a Day One.
One episode I have always loved was the experimental Random Shoes. I can understand why it might not be to everyone's tastes. The fact that is shows so many directorial and formatting similarities to Love and Monsters probably doesn't help its case with a lot of people. But in my opinion and experience, not only does Random Shoes manage to outshine its Doctor Who counterpart, but actually deepens my appreciation for the original.
Love and Monsters is not a 'good' episode, but for me it is an enjoyable one. For its unique atmosphere directing, and, of course, ironic hilarity.
Random Shoes in spite of its unique framing is a very grounded affair. Not a story of great alien invasions or monsters stalking the night. But instead a study of people. The core of Random Shoes is seeing the person finally get a view of his life from an outside perspective. Follow him as he finds closure in his life. It's a tough episode to watch at times because you get to watch very real situations of relationships that meant a lot to him but not to the other people. Friends who didn't care, family that abandoned him. And the few people who did care he couldn't see beyond his own insecurity.
It has always remained in my top 3 episodes since I first watched it. Alonside the aforementioned Countrycide and Adrift.
But I don't know if this opinion is shared within the larger community at all. What are your thoughts?
Its not just expensive but also impractical. Shoots like that literally have to be built around the effect. Similar to how every shot in the LoTR movies with the hobbits and Gandalf/humans together literally had to be custom designed and shot in order to create the forced perspective effect. That shit is both costly and time consuming.
Television lives and dies on a very strict timescale, regardless of who daddy money is behind it. You can get away with this kind of stuff on a movie but television just doesn’t have the leeway for it. It was the best of an unfortunate situation.
If you are really looking for something to harp at simply because “disney starwars” yada yada. I guess you could complain about writers not accounting for technical and logistical limitations when drafting the show. But that’s a pretty petty criticism to be making. Basically saying “writers, stop being ambitious”
It’s more down to what they are doing with the characters. They needed two actors to play the kids because they were doing extended shoots and scenes with them on screen together and interacting with eachother. Something that is really hard to do and expensive using the “parent trap” technique. It’s easier to just higher two separate actors and do your best with dress and makeup to make them look identical.
Adult Osha and Mae don’t really share the screen together all that often. They’ve only done it once so far and it was just a simple wide-angle blend shot.
Y’all are really hung up on a casting snafu. Yes, the twins they casted as children were fraternal but the show has made it very clear that the characters themselves are identical.
“Palpatine wasn’t a force sensitive clone” he says as he shoots an entire freaking thunderstorm into the sky with his fingers.
Also, from my memory the main internal conflict of TFU2 was the fact that Vader was probably lying and you likely were the original Starkiller just with his memories erased. Hence why you were remembering them. Even then TFU has always had a tepid relationship with established canon even before legends got wiped.
My dad is a sprinkler fitter and he says Bob is missing an overflow preventer. Apparently it is often stolen and sold for high value brass scrap.
Episode 231: Best Of Times, Worst Of Times
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