I understand the idea for short term, but this went on for years and the contracts were for 5x-6x as much, some up to 10x as much hourly. A lot of replies talking about going from 35/hour to offers of 300/hour (more commonly like 175 average though)

That outweighs the cost of employee + benefits on the hospital. They wanted to do it until they were able to staff positions, but when you have all your nurses leaving to be travel nurses, and even picking up gigs at their old hospital with 6x as much salary, they aren't backfilling those old positions.

This sounds exactly like the experience of my SIL. A lot of replies have been asking me "well it costs less because of benefits" but like, the money they were making was just rofl amounts compared to staff rates.

No worries, I totally feel you. Our EMS across the country is severely underpaid and underappreciated. All of the EMS in my town are volunteer, same with fire. Cops sure as shit aren't though.

Lots of jobs do this. Get rid of the higher paid long timers and either bring in new, cheaper labor, or just merge their responsibilities into others with no pay increase.

It's not self employment. She still got benefits and what not, it's just via an agency.

It really does cost an employer about double your wage, so I get paying temps more in a pinch, but long term it doesn't really add up, particularly if it's anything more than double.

Yeah my SIL was just moving around our area, I think the furthest she got was a few hours away, and some at Hospitals she'd already been at.

Right? It's not their fault they took the opportunity.

Other commenters were replying that they're still seeing inflated Travel Nurse numbers where they are.

I don't know specifically, since my SIL accepted a higher position at a more local hospital last year, give or take, but she could still have continued to make 3-4x Staff Nurse salary, especially with all the income.

when the job market stabilises again

And this is where they've been losing their bets, because it didn't/wasn't stabilizing. They're just paying a crapton more and losing more staff nurses that are becoming travel nurses, or just not staying in nursing.

Another factor that may come into play is all the other costs associated with employing someone vs using a temp contract worker. Worker's comp insurance, any state mandated benefits for employees vs gig workers, things like that. I don't think it's right or agree with it exactly, but it is a factor in the employment costs.

I replied to this elsewhere, and yes, under normal circumstances, but the salary they are getting is significantly more than the additional costs to have an employee. Travel Nurses also get full benefits as well, plus stipends and guaranteed OT.

It's not the same type of contract/self employeed gig work, and they just pay out the absolute ass for it. You're right normally though, this is just an egregious example of where it really is the hospitals trying to play fast and loose on playing FT employees and thinking it's only a short term answer, and it not being so short term.

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Knowing the workplace/environment is so underrated. I switched jobs in Feb of 2023, and it took me a year just to feel comfortable at the new place. Who you reach out to for certain situations, how things work, where things are, etc.

I don't know if it's the agency that does or the hospital pays a portion, I just know the amount she was making was well over what it costs to pay an employee (which is usually about ~double an employee salary, if they pay for your insurance or a big chunk of it)

Especially with all the available OT she could/did pick up, because they were so short staffed.

I totally understand why...they just keep losing the bet of when the demand will die down. They're trying to save money, but instead it's just been kicking em in the ass and they've probably paid for 10 years worth of an Employee for a single contract position.

And they'll keep having fewer and fewer nurses as they see green grass in travel or just leave the field entirely because they aren't paid enough.

Never even heard of Mary Brown's.

The KFC here is pretty good though. As long as I'm not picking it up for dinner and taking it home (30min drive) I have no issues with it.

And I'm a sucker for their biscuits.

Def isn't cheap enough to do it often though. 40+ bucks for a bucket of chicken and shitty sides nobody eats anyway...nooo thanks. I'll grab a 2 or 3 piece meal on occasion for lunch though.

Places that don't have anything else. I don't have a popeyes, chic-fil-jesus, or anything but KFC within an hour drive.

Do have a local chicken place that's the bees knees, but it's really expensive.

Yup, that's the exact scenario. I do believe she ended up accepting a higher position after getting a degree/cert in something, which is why she ended up staying on somewhere eventually rather than continuing to be a travel nurse. So it may not have caught up, just her scenario changed, I'm not 100%

We all thought the bubble had to break eventually, it just makes no sense to spend 200k on a position that's cycling through people to where it's basically just a full time filled position, instead of paying your own employees 100k (again just bullshit numbers) with the added benefit of home and stability.

Exactly, if it had been temp, that's why the gig exists at all, they just need to grab someone while they hire more. This instance was caused by nurses leaving/not enough joining the nurse force, so the demand for travel nurses increased, and it took them a long time (some places they still haven't) to bring up the base pay for their nurses, while sending out a ton more money hoping they'd end up increasing their own staff.

They were basically betting on nurses to prefer not to travel and have stability/getting new nurses straight from training, so they didn't have to increase the wages...and they kept losing on that bet.

oh I'm sure there's a lot more involved, was just a pretty drastic case of what the user I replied to was mentioning.

I was using just random numbers plucked from my ass. She was making 3-4x as much as a travel nurse with OT because it was so in demand. The downside was having to travel an hour to 2 hours, so she'd rent an AirBNB for the days, then go home for her days off. She also got full benefits, housing stipend, OT, etc.

Here's a general idea of Travel Nurse vs Staff nurse: https://www.pacific-college.edu/blog/travel-nursing-vs-staff-nursing

The scenario where we live, was inflated salaries because they needed nurses that badly, but weren't increasing the rates for their own nurses/to attract staff nurses.

Initially they did it because they figured it would be temporary, and when they filled positions, they wouldn't need them anymore. It ended up happening that more and more nurses left for the traveling gig, so they had even less on staff nurses, and would end up having to nearly fill out their entire hospital with travel nurses.

In general, there is a higher cost than just the pay, but in this scenario, that wasn't the case.

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This happened recently with travel nurses after Covid, with my SIL. She made absolute bank being a travel nurse for understaffed hospitals. They were paying out far more than they would have just increasing the wages of the nurses at the hospital to be fully staffed.

I believe it eventually caught up, as she's no longer doing it, but it took a couple years for them to realize, hey paying a full timer $35/hr(random number) is better than paying a contract gig employee $500(another random number, but using it to express the discrepancy that exists between the 2, since a lot are asking about benefits and other employer pay factors, which in normal circumstances would be the case. Edited from $50) when we have to continously fill with just contract employees.

I know he's not Frontline at all, he's just capable of being a front line and if you don't have anyone else to do it, it's a rough time. All ranged usually ends up getting their shit pushed in after items start to come through.

He's just a one trick poney at that point, more like an assassin, which also have pretty shit winrates lol

But ultimately, that's my complaint. When you have a team comp of all ranged squishy, and then your Malph decides to go AP instead, handicapping you more without a tank.

AP Malph is very Boom or Bust, and if you miss your Ult, you're just useless as AP. Tank Malph can still do a chunk of damage, and be useful after he goes in.

I don't even hate AP Malph entirely, just when it's the only frontline you have.