Was nice while it lasted.
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I wouldn’t maybe word it like that, but overall yeah, taking these events slow seems to be the right course for maximizing enjoyment.
I would word it that way exactly. There are times when the exploitation of this (and similar) games borders a mental illness.
Yup same here. I knew about the farm with plenty of time to abuse it and chose to actively not partake because i would just out grow the fun of it. Ok so i get all the mog i want in 1 day....what am i doing the next 3 months? Ok I'm super op.....its not fun to do raids or dungeons that pose literally no challenge at all. Farming frogs is the best way to run yourself dry on content before tww release
its not fun to do raids or dungeons that pose literally no challenge at all.
What is hilarious to me is that if people wanted to solo mop content, why not just do it in retails?
This is the way.
it was rainy for me
People are so caught up in needing to finish a 95 day event in 14 days. I also don't understand the comments about being behind. Being behind on what exactly? Some weird contest of who can post the highest cloak stats or something?
When Plunderstorm rep was bad in solos, I waited for them to fix it. I didn't spend 8 hours a day grinding so I could hit 40 in 5 days. Panda Remix bronze farming is bad, so I'll just wait for them to fix it and play other things. Not spend 8 hours a day killing frogs.
What is this notion that you can measure enjoyment and that enjoyment is objective? What does just play the game and enjoy even mean?
I just got back from my honeymoon and will start remix tomorrow. Logged into reddit just to see people freaking out. Your comment is on point. This wow bulimia mentality is terrifying
Same
I was out of town. 🥲
Indeed. Surely they upped other Bronze gains along with the hotfix, right?
That is the biggest issue. Nerfing frogs was to be expected and probably the right thing to do, but what are the alternatives to get a reasonable amount of bronze?
Hotfix to stop an easy farm on a Sunday
No actual other changes to bronze gain at the same time...
They buffed the bronze cache by 25%
Bronze acquisition should scale with your player power and really it should outpace it. Being hamstrung by Bronze is awful.
So, nothing?
Laughably inadequate
Kinda bullshit
Assuming they actually buff bronze at some point... its a hell of a lot easier to nerf 1 thing than buff dozens. It's a fking Sunday. Let the devs make the fast fix and, hopefully, actual implement fixes during normal working hours.
Then wait to fix the issue until working hours since this doesnt break the game in anyway, only speeds up the clear time gating they want so you stay subscribed
Blizzard makes freemium game modes without the micro transactions
Haha. No
They did increase bronze though... the caches from raids and dungeons give more and mobs seem to drop a bit more in dungeons
150 more per raid boss. Now I have so much bronze I don't know what to do with it /s
Putting this out before adjusting scaling or exp gain is just nutty lmao. Simply saving this for after fixing the complaints would have been received better.
*Insert anakin stare*
I was killing them because I hate frogs so this changes nothing.
Abuse early abuse often
As always, those who get in there first will be the beneficiaries. Their power scale will be off the charts.
They've basically created 2 tiers of players. Those who got in early and can now carry an entire raid team by themselves and those who will struggle through heroic dungeons for the next few weeks.
If you're lucky, you'll still get matched with the stronger players in random groups. Worst case is people start to run raids/dungeons only with other people who frog farmed since they don't want to be held back by lower-geared players.
This creates a very large divide in the people playing now. There are pre-frog nerf players and post-frog nerf players.
The pre-frog people are an order of magnitude stronger than the people who did questing/dungeons/scenarios/raids. I compared my stats on my cloak to a friend who farmed the frogs for just a couple of hours and I had around 4000 stamina at 70, and the were sitting at around 15,000 stamina.
If you encounter people who are head and shoulders above you in power in some way, they were probably one of the exploit early, exploit often froggers.
You could say the froggers are leaps ahead of the rest
This is why you get invited to parties.
15,000 stamina your friend must have farmed that like constantly. I have 6500 and did like 4 hours
Meeres has 60k stamina on his cloak
I have close to 15000 and only spent about 4 hours total on frogs. Although my group was 2 aff locks a prot pally and boomy with no other groups running
I'm glad I got some quick farming in right before the patch.
I did it for about 20 minutes before the patch lol having the charms is going to be great for rep farms
I think the only rep you really need charms for is August Celestials. The other reps you need for meta achievements give you ridiculous amounts from the campaign. Klaxxi, Shado-Pan, and Dominance Offensive get you to exalted very quickly by just doing the quests. Golden Lotus was something incredibly dumb like 4,000 per turn in with charms.
The other reps don't matter really. For Timeless Isle, I just did treasures and rares for the meta. No one should be farming out Emperor Shaohao in a remix.
Did about an hour, kinda wish I did more, but I figured they weren't gonna go that hard on nerfing for a 3 month event
I hoped they will at least wait til monday but it seems the fun police is working through the weekends
I wish I got to 70 sooner and then farm them to get max thread size drops.
Pretty much. Remember the obsidian rep at the beginning or df for the rings. Ppl got in 2 hrs and screw the others.
or digging dirt at the beginning of df
at least the early DF gear was entirely irrelevant as opposed to having like 3-4x the stats of other people.
I’m 10hrs deep on my first toon and just hit 43, figured I’d make in time today to exploit :(
I'm kicking myself in the ass for not spending all my playing time last night killing frogs. Now I feel like I'm WAY behind everyone who did.
Wtf blizz. Not f'n cool.
Until blizzard decides you were exploiting and gives you a 2 week ban.
lol, you don't know them do you?
Ribbiting content.
I salute you.
And upgrading gear still costs the same...
Why are you wasting bronze on upgrading gear?
The power fantasy drops off a cliff from 61-70. Tinker gems will still kick ass when they go off, but you go from feeling like a dungeon or raid boss to a critter or trash mob. Scaling goes from “broken in a fun way” to “broken” real quick. I once queued for Heroic Stormstout Brewery to complete the Heroics achievement (required for one of your accessory slot items) and we wiped repeatedly in the doorway to the dungeon because trash mobs were auto-attacking in the high six digits. A bunch of people quit and I had to eat a deserter debuff before I could re-queue and get the achievement.
I love this event. I don’t like farming frogs because it’s not profitable for everyone if there’s too many people doing it at once. I agree that it should be nerfed. But once you hit 70, it’s not the “super fast, fun and overpowered fantasy” mode that Remix was advertised as.
because if you dont you cant do the content at level 70 because of the scaling.
upgrading your cloak with frogs was a huge secondary benefit, allowing to counter the scaling without spending bronze on upgrades
If you don't upgrade your gear you get decimated as a tank.
The only option is to have a low lvl tank do all the high level content
I'm wearing epics
probably because now that frog farming is nerfed its the only close to viable way to gear yourself for any heroic endgame content
That is how it should work tbh. We should all be able to get max geared + get all the cosmetics. Your Bronze acquisition should get buffed as you get more gear. I get they want ppl to play but they can't expect ppl to full time play just this.
Getting four reps exalted in one day was so worth the frog genocide
Rep with whom? I am still lvl 33, so not on Timeless isle yet. Also, rep gain had also been nerfed?
Golden Lotus, Kirin Tor Offensive, Operation: Shieldwall, Order of the Cloud Serpent, Shado-Pan, The August Celestials, and The Klaxxi
Ok, thanks! I want to later farm rep for Emperor Shaohao. What´s the best way of doing that?
The frogs also dropped lesser charm of good fortune, which you could turn in 10 at a time for Rep with Pandaria factions. Those quest's would also reward Cache of Infinite Treasure, and asynchronized prismatic gems.
Releasing on a Thursday was a mistake, they needed a team in office to fix more stuff before the first weekend.
they hotfix this but not the horrible scaling and the cloak being a lot worse for alts than they advertised lmao why am I not surprised
People act like frogs were breaking the game, when the reality is the frogs were the only thing keeping level 70 playable. It wasn’t fun, it should’ve been nerfed, but not before bronze gains are universally buffed and gear upgrade costs universally nerfed. Fingers crossed for a Monday hotfix.
At 70 the bonus experience on your cloak should change to bonus Bronze
Yeah, you literally had to spend dozens of hours grinding frogs to get everything. This wasn't some case of it just being massively overvalued and letting you finish the grind super quick, it was just the only real option at level cap where most of the intended content is literally unplayable.
Should it have been fixed yes, but not until they'd fixed the rest of the game to be playable.
The other problem is that the scaling issues mean just playing the game at max level in remix isn't very fun. Some people would have grinded frogs anyway, because their only goal was to get all the rewards and leave, but a lot of people grinding frogs this weekend were doing it because it's the only option to make endgame fun.
Its Torghast all over again, blizzard are just incapable of letting you be OP even if its just in a 90 day temporary game mode.
Not once from 10-70 did I ever feel stronger than a character on retail but there were often points I felt much weaker.
Every level any gains you made in new gems + threads was nullified by the scaling. Oh you got a new gem? Cool well your crit just went from 20% down to 15% when you dinged, enjoy!
And then at 70 gear upgrades are so expensive you can't even get them without exploits.
My retail character feels 100x more overpowered than my remix character.
"Oh but we are only 3 days in" sure but with the rates of bronze and threads as they currently are you can't even buy gear upgrades if you want the collectables. And even if you do buy upgrades they are so expensive you are not going to feel OP until waaay later. No one wants to feel OP in the last 5 days of the event
the guy who farmed frogs for 13h on spriest was able to solo mythic siege of orgrimmar which drops 30k bronze in itself
And he should be free to do that if he wanted.
Wasn't this supposed to be a fun time?
We're back to dailies, which I thought everyone agreed to ditch in favor of WQ's.
Nice, now he has to play every day for a month just to make back what he got in 13 hours lmao
lul like the game does not break itself 400k+ to uograde gears, wp blizzard
I'm not sure how them buffing everything else fixes this. It still wouldn't even be close to as easy or quick as farming the frogs.
So everyone who didn't farm them still gets stuffed.
Blizzard acted like frogs were breaking the game
So you're telling me, instead of hotfixing the buggy mess that are raids and dungeons at max lvl, they decided to kill the only viable method we had to stand a chance atm?
Blizzard is basically the IRS.
Blizzard:
Announces "fun" mode
Makes upgrade costs insane and grindy
Has exploit to bring costs back down to earth
Fixes exploit
"Why is our player retention in Remix so bad?"
I'm still having a lot of fun with Remix, but I was really hoping this would be a 3 month collectathon with transmog and mounts, and leveling alts. Not getting slapped around by every mob and having a full day of grinding equal out to 2 gear upgrades
At this point the tagline should change to "Overpowered? No. Fun? Also no."
All thats missing are the overpriced MTXs to speed up the collecting.
I can't get these words in bold enough nor big enough for everyone in this sub to see.
This could have been something great
This can still be something great. It’s only been 4 days everyone’s going a bit crazy right now. If they don’t do much of shit on Tuesday then I think it’s fair to totally complain but we’ll have to see.
Deja vu of the Plunderstorm release and the freak out over the renown grind
Unless they remove all of the stuff from the players that did it or give everyone else a massive amount to compensate (which they will NEVER do) then it's a moot point.
holy shit the doomsaying, it's day 4 homie
This could have been something great
This could have been something great
The World of Warcraft Experience™
What's the point of getting gear upgrades with bronze? Wouldnt you want your bronze to just get the rewards? Or is that investment? Im still lvl 30 so idk
Two reasons:
Scaling at 60-70 is really broken, heroic dungeons/scenarios will often one-shot even decently geared tanks. So, more threads and bronze for upgrades is needed.
The game mode was advertised as a way to be “overpowered”, and being strong is fun. So people spent time grinding to be more powerful. I had a destro lock in my heroic vault run that was pulling 1.1 million dps st because of his frog grinding.
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It actually annoys the fuck out of me that a temporary, fun gamemode has to be so heavily nerfed and ‘balanced’
Like what the fuck is the point then? None of this shit matters anyway why can’t we be overpowered and have some fun seeing what dumb builds we can make
Exactly. Like the people begging for frog farmers to get reverted is so stupid. It’s a goofball gamemode with no last consequences, and the whole basis is getting as powerful and broken as possible. I don’t get why they can’t just let players go and have fun
<puts on blizzard bean counter hat>
There are lasting consequences. You get mogs, mounts, pets, and toys that you don't have to spend literal years farming (on average). If players get all of the shiny cosmetics they want, then why would they play our game?
</takes off hat>
I think they don't have faith that their game can be fun without chase items, or they're relying on store purchases related to alts for a large enough portion of their income. They have to do everything they can to keep customers on the hook without allowing them to get anywhere.
Yeah I'm thinking on just getting the sha of anger mount and leveling to 70 then dipping I can always just grind out transmogs on the live servers.
I might try to get the astral cloud serpant too but I don't know how much bronze I'll have at the end
I've already decided before the start of this event, that it would be best to just wait. Just like with Plunderstorm and every other content that was in desperate need of fixes and adjustments during the first while.
I'm not doing anything right now, except some reeeeally slow leveling and exploring, because I'm convinced they will adjust the Bronze drop rates at a certain point and maybe fix the scaling.
There's no need in grinding until complete exhaustion when it will be much smoother in a few weeks.
Everything that launches is not at its best state in the first week. Never was. Not in wow anyway
I disagree, it's been especially bad since DF. In the past it was known to "never play on patchday" because of longer maintenance and some small day 1 bugs. Today it's not related to patchday but sometimes takes several weeks until most of the problems are fixed, and most new features are unfinished or extremely bugged. Just look at S4. The problems are not just related to patchday but lasted even much more than just a week. And those were major problems.
You and me both. I don't understand all the comments about "you'll be behind the frog people forever now." Okay, so they'll finish all the content in 15 days, and it will take me 30. The event lasts for 92 more days so who cares? People treating the cloak like a dick measuring contest. I'm glad I did other things than kill frogs for 8 hours a day.
Me. 5k threads
Friend who farmed: 12k thread
All is right in the world.
Is there a way to track how many threads you’ve farmed?
There's a macro for it:
/run local c,s={0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,148},0;for i=1,9 do s=s+C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2853+c[i]).quantity end print("Total threads: "..s)
and still no fix to amber pterrodax lol
Looool, patch on a frog farm on a Sunday morning, meanwhile:
Bronze gains are awful (leveling to max is half of one of the expensive mounts)
Bronze costs are insane for upgrading
60+ is a nightmare
People are randomly losing their gear
Blizzard priorities are always consistently fucked.
Legitimately insane. If there's not a length bluepost soon and changes on next reset with all the fixes AND buffs I'm probably done already. This is coming from someone who think its fine about the stat transfer for alt cloaks and shit but some things are inexcusable... like the fucking max level content virtually not working because you get one shotted for example.
Buff bronze gains, fix the scaling, and while you're at it: make jewelry for alts account-wide zero reason that should've passed PTR(just like every problem happening right now)
My problem isn't that they nerfed frogs, by all means, sure, yeah, wasn't intended way to get bronze or whatever. My problem is when they do this FIRST above everything else that is broken about MoP Remix. Fix the bloody game to begin with before you touch like the only thing people were doing to somehow manage the broken scaling and horrid bronze gains.
The only reason I'm even annoyed/mad about this is because I genuinely think MoP Remix is fun as hell(until 70) and such a cool idea... but its bogged down by some of these problems and choices that shouldn't of made it to live.
Definitely feels like they didn't listen to any feedback they got from the PTR tests or anything at all.
That’s the craziest part is the PTR was more fun than the live event. I don’t know how they managed to fumble the bag so bad…
Why would they keep the fast cloak levelling if they sell boosted characters on the store? 😒
Torghast all over again.
Or they saw the optimism in the feedback and obliterated it
Yup, frogs nerfed, but the intro scenario to thunder isle is still broken, key story quest in towlong steppes still broken (this one has been broken for a whole xpac and blizzard has straight admitted theu dont know how to fix it lol) 🤡
I'm not sure how them buffing everything else fixes this. It still wouldn't even be close to as easy or quick as farming the frogs.
So everyone who didn't farm them still gets stuffed.
Lmfao. Bad scaling. Expensive upgrade system. Bugs and they fix the little extra something was giving us. The charity frogs.
I find it really really weird that Blizzard couldn't stop the Moonkin Bot farm in Ardenweld for arguably more than half of Shadowlands
but they can stop frogs like 6 days after the farm becomes popular?
Huh
Exploit early and exploit often, guys. Rip everyone who didn't abuse this
These people are not fucking real lmfao. Imagine nerfing a meme event on a sunday, wish they'd been this fast at buffing the pitiful amount of bronze you get normally or the shit scaling or the insane upgrade costs
The most disrespectful part about this is that they don't even bother to fix or patch some of the other things that need to be changed along with the frog nerf. They see people making decent progress and are compelled to stop it at all costs, and say fuck everything else.
I came here from SoD and it must just be a blizzard ideology because they would do the same stuff in SoD. Something new gets released and is broken and abused, blizzard swoops in and fixes it ASAP, but leaves many other things broken until the weekly reset or maybe even months later.
Im from SoD also. I remember when they did this with the hunter pets...Its almost like they don't actually do testing during alpha and beta tests. There would be no problem if all the changes were made. Patches makes the dev team lazy. You can ship a broken game then patch it later at your convenience. It really hurts consumers. Back in the 90s games were shipped as is. If you found a bug then good for you! Not the case anymore.
They didnt just nerf frog farm. they downgraded every elite mob in pandaria to non-elite. but didnt bother changing their health pools.
Frog Farmers only is the new AOTC only raid listing requirement.
It's because you guys posted enough about it that I found out it was a thing and was going to go farm them this afternoon. Everything gets nerfed before I personally have a chance to take advantage of it. You guys need to be more careful about not letting me find out.
Damage is already done
Welp, back to D4
Yep. I finished the pets/mount from meta achievements. All I have left is bronze farming. As soon as frogs got patched, I bounced into D4. I'll revisit remix in a few weeks when they balance bronze/costs. Which they will. They'll Plunderstorm it.
ok what am I supposed to do now at lvl 70?
I've never changed my tune so fuckin drastically on anything before. I was telling all my friends how incredible this game mode was. how much fun I was having. As soon as I hit ~65 and I realized its the worst balanced game mode they have ever released, they all got to see me turn against it in real time. Fortunately they got to see how awful the balance is and none of them wasted money coming back for this garbage.
They dragged some dev into work on the weekend for this?
What probably actually happened: Dev wakes up like any normal human being. Sees reddit exploding with memes. Opens up editor from home 5 minutes later, changes 1 value in an editor, goes about their day like normal sunday after having spent maybe 10 minutes after thinking " oops forgot about that one".
Lol
I wonder if all the other old hyperspawn farms still work.
There were quite a few popular ones back in the day in MoP.
Doing those 5k-10k per hour farms brings some memories.
There’s another hyperspawn that still works but I believe it’s tied to a quest
I might know what you are talking about, assuming it is the one that only works on one faction (alliance?).
I would think there would be other intact ones but just a matter of do they drop lesser charms in Remix.
"Abuse often and abuse early."
Abuse often abuse early
rip...b...bit...
Good
Exploit early and exploit often
who's the dumb fuck dev that patched that before fixing scaling?
Did they also patch the achievements and xp for alts or did they just detected fun
crazy
Damn, didn't no life enough and missed frogs!!! Arrgghgggg
This is terrible, that they didn’t buff other sources… absolutely great change if other sources got buffed but with current scaling we can barely play the game why is an outdoor mob 2 shotting me?
Sucks to be me working the weekend away lol...
It's fucking Sunday you sweatlords, go touch some frogs irl
And?
They managed to push a hotfix for fun detected, but not for anything else.
"fun" lol
Its an a analogy, farming frogs was not fun..... upgrading gear to max ilvl, is.
So far I only saw they reduced coins.....did it affect bronze drop rate too?
Doing it for the coins and turning the coins in gave way more bronze and stats for your cloak (making people insanely OP it’s great) was the main point…just doing it for the raw bronze is okay but not good enough
Ahhh ok! Typical blizz logic to nerf something folks were having fun with.
In 2014, they joked about the frog farm method at Blizzcon. They knew about it, and then they made it even worse. After multiple days they disabled the drops and players farming the spot will now have the strongest characters in the game.
How little can you care about your game? They don't play their game. And now the entire power balance is broken. I mean, why bother playing, if others have reached insanly strong characters that would require multiple weeks of playing?
To those cheering, go ahead and holler back when you reach max level and you struggle to stay alive ranged DPSing a normal dungeon while your healer is out threating your tank. oh yeah, this isn't heroic, so you can't even unlock your other jewelry slots because the content is borderline impossible.
Casuals will absolutely not be able to unlock any of the achievement slots lol. I no life'd it can can't even get the last neck piece. Siege and Throne are not beginner friendly especially with the scaling.
Please tell me that they upped th bronze earned from other content and rolled back the bronze gained by exploiting :p
I'll be honest once I got measure of how batshit crazy the max level grind in remix is I completely checked out. I thought this was supposed to be a fun, fast mode to play casually and add value to leveling alts. It is not.
Now that frogs are fixed there is no difference in the endgame between this mode and retail/classic so why am I not just going back to play those? Its a better experience than sitting in hour long dps queues and randomly getting one shotted by scaling issues.
Remix started off so fun too which is a bummer.
At first in plunderstorm the gold rates were abysmal and it took forever to rank up. By the end you could get the whole pass done in 1-2 days. I have a feeling it will be similar here.
I bet in the last 30 days or so they'll increase bronze rates drastically.
Sweet, now we just need to endure the 3 ceremonial days for victim impact statements and petitions for compensatory measures of digital currency, geometry and textures.
I'm probably in a minority here, but I don't do exploits. I want to experience the game. I don't care about blazing a trail through content just to get to max level and complain about a lack of content. It just seems counterintuitive to me. I get alts, but before we had all of these QoL improvements, we had to level our alts the good ol' fashioned way. The whole speed run culture is the antithesis to why I even play video games at all.
that’s nice didn’t abused it and i can’t play heroic raids now bcs i didn’t had chance to abuse it and people won’t accept me to group bcs of that
Damn what is the sub gunna bitch and whine about now
You already know a dev was exploiting this and only pulled the plug when wowhead made an "official" guide on using it to gear up.
Cmon blizzard you do this EVERY time, someone on your team is doing this with intent lol....
It's very funny how much people are pretending to care about how much bronze and how many threads you get from other content now that this is nerfed
The people who didn't want to farm frogs (normal people, you and me) were told to go fuck themselves by this sub and were told it was a good thing that actual content was irrelevant compared to the "mindless, brain-off fun of frog farming"
and the split second that the frog farmers are dragged down to an equal playing field, suddenly they're the world's biggest activists but only in so much as looking after their own tail
Biggest L for those who didn't exploit the frogs. They better have a method of gaining bronze since a good chunk of their players didn't get a pass and are struggling with the bugs.
Oh no
Early and often is blizzards motto
My goal is to find the next hyperspawn like this
I've read isle of thunder has good spots
Its not the hyper spawn thats the issue. It was the lesser coins dropping from the elites which could be turned in indefinitely. I think 10 per turn in. I farmed 4k today so that would have been 400 chests....On top of what what I would have already gotten per mob kill.
I should have been more clear, zi meant hyperspawn that drop coins.
I would say fun detected but it's grinding frogs so honestly, good riddance.
They do need to substantially increase bronze income, and 25% ain't gonna cut it.
My suggestion? Change the cloak buff to "+X% XP and Bronze", remove all caps, and make the cloak truly cross account. So what if people are leveling up 70s in half an hour? So what if they level a 70 of every race? Shouldn't Microsoft want that?
I hope Blizzard doesn't take the criticism of the event as people never wanting them to do another Remix style event at the end of an expansion. The issue is the scaling and cost of upgrades. if they fix that stuff this event is great.
"nice"
A much better fix would have been to remove the chest reward for the coins once you hit exalted with a faction. That way people slow to exploit this could still get a reasonable amount of chests power leveling reps.
Patch fukcing Voress while you're at it. That was bugged in original. What sort of half arsed release was this?
Frogs what now? What did I miss lol. What’s significant about it?
Frog farms to boost your stat cloak. Don't worry you didn't miss out on anything fun
Apparently it’s a mental disorder to play something that was advertised to have certain rewards and account wide mechanics and be annoyed that those rewards take tens of hours to obtain, while an exploit shortens it dramatically. Feels like iv played more than enough of this game mode and iv got a measly 25k bronze… What was the intended way of farming bronze? At least with plunderstorm it was pretty clear what you had to do to earn the rewards.
I dare blizzard to do an event without any rewards… to see if people will just do it for the fun of it.
What did frogs do please ?
Leave it to blizzard to fix the fun out of something.
Yeah. Thank God power boosting yourself by doing an unintended mindless farm was fun while it lasted. Now it'll take 3 weeks instead of 1 for the community to start crying about nothing to do.
The min max mentality is what has been continuously killing wow for the last decade
Blizzards hesitancy to roll back people who exploit is why exploiting is so popular in wow. There's no downside. People who don't exploit are always left behind.
This mode is just chilling there is no end game. Why nerfing the frog farm? Let people have their fun their way.
RIP to all the people, including myself, that didn’t “abuse early and abuse often.”