It really annoys me that some vegans don't care enough about making sure right wing "vegans" are kept away from our spaces

I honestly don't understand how you can be an actual vegan, not just activist-plant-based (for those others reasons besides the animals), and be racist/sexist/etc.

As a vegan I don't support speciesism arguments used to harm non-human animals.

How could I support racism or sexism or anything that's just singling out harm, for minorities/at risk/etc within a species.

Yeah that's why I make sure to give head to every man at any vegan restaurant

It's scary how right-wing ideology is growing in the vegan community. In France, we have this group called "Réseau Pythagore" who are all Nazis and anti-LGBT+. I fucking hate them.

https://www.streetpress.com/sujet/1709136505-animalistes-antispecistes-reseau-pythagore-animaux-musulmans-lgbt-extreme-droite

I agree completely. Additionally, reactionary people can and should stop being reactionary, at which point they would be able to participate in vegan spaces. They aren't being completely excluded; they're just being told to come back once they've stopped being bigoted.

All my experiences of being marginalised drove me towards an intersectional mindset. Growing up with an assigned gender that was marginalised, and then coming out as trans; being neurodivergent; having lived in a larger body at times; having been abused by most of the adults in my life growing up. All of those experiences made it easier to have empathy for other sentient life that's been marginalised in ways I haven't directly experienced.

As a trans person, it would make no sense to me to be a white supremacist, because my experiences with other people being weird about my gender gives me at least some idea what it must be like to have someone be weird about someone else's skin colour. It's not a huge leap from those concepts to veganism; why would I be a human supremacist either? Why would I want to be complicit in the suffering of anything capable of suffering, when I also know what it's like to suffer because of things about me that aren't directly within my control?

It blows my mind that people can get close enough to the ideas underpinning veganism to go vegan, while still retaining arbitrary prejudices about ways in which people can be different from each other. There was such a strong, obvious through-line for me from "I'm being treated poorly for reasons that aren't really my fault" to "nothing and no one should suffer for arbitrary reasons".

All of which is to say that I support all efforts to prevent vegan spaces from becoming Nazi bars, and I'm seriously baffled by folks who get radicalised in this direction enough to be vegan, but not enough to realise how pointless other forms of prejudice are.

You’d be surprised to find out that vegan trump supporters do in fact fucking exist. 🤦🏾‍♂️😭

There are more apologists for assholes in here than I realized. Great to know. As though it’s our job to tip toe around assholes just to keep them vegan. If transphobic and racist people are using fighting transphobia or racism as a reason to not go vegan, that’s on them, not on the people arguing for veganism while keeping a safe space.

People are scared of dividing the vegan community by going intersectional? Great. You’ve already accomplished what you fear by making marginalized people feel unsafe.

You aren’t keeping the peace for veganism by catering to racist, transphobic, misogynistic people. You’re just making the world a less safe place in general by not speaking out against that bullshit when it comes up.

Sometimes I think we should promote veganism as an explicitly leftwing ideology. I think that frames it as a political stance — which it is — akin to other widely-adopted leftwing stances, e.g. anti-racism, anti-capitalism, etc. Leftwing ideologies all seek to dismantle established hierarchies, and veganism is the ultimate form of that — dismantling speciesism.

In my ten years of veganism and vegan activism, I can only name a handful of fringe rightwing vegans here and there... but basically every vegan I've known has been progressive if not leftist. You've gotta be an Olympic-level mental gymnast to somehow think veganism is compatible with conservative ideologies.

But, yeah, to thwart off conservatives, I encourage people to regularly talk about anti-racism, supporting LGBT+ causes, etc. If someone in your circle has objections, boot 'em.

Not that I have met many vegans but every single vegan I’ve ever met in person is an LGBTQ+ leftist no exception.

I’ve only “met” straight vegans on social media but you can never tell. They turn carnist exvegans when you least expect it.

Other than that, I can’t imagine a true vegan being racist, sexist, or transphobic.

Completly ignorning all the moral & other practical reasons against these „vegans“ to focus on one point I didn’t see mentioned yet: right wingers might be a bigger group in general, but I am willing to bet they are a smaller group of vegans than marginalised vegans. So it’s just practical to prefer one group over the other.

It's a problem with many "movements" that in their core have a noble cause, but fail to seperate themselves from the bad actors (like feminism is not distancing itself from the misandrist clear enough, and that's hurting the progression towards equality)

Veganism is big enough, though and a distinct topic in itself that i don't think it is severely held back by the bad actors. At least from my perception

Veganism isn’t an intersectional philosophy. Even if they are idiots, they can still obtain from animal use, no matter how upset it may make you.

yeah, bollocks

I’m “right wing” (I vote for Sverigedemokraterna) but I’m neither racist, sexist or transphobic.

Veganism is the essence of equality and anti-oppression, so I find it hard to believe any vegan would be racist, sexist or transphobic.

Stop confusing veganism with politics.

You guys are really intolerant. I don't agree with right wingers on probably every topic. But if i am somewhere to discuss veganism, i dont care if he is left wing or right wing or apolitical. The topic is veganism. If he would brought in politics into the debate, i would tell him that he's off topic.

But needing "safe spaces" everywhere because you can't deal with people having other world views than you makes you very intolerant.

Yeah, yeah…y’all tolerate every type of vegan except the ones who have kids.