en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Gerlich
TIL that in 1932, Fritz Gerlich, a German journalist, made fun of Hitler’s bigotry by publishing a satire article “proving” that Hitler was Mongolian. Later, Gerlich was taken to Dachau and murdered.
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People always seem to underestimate the value of being able to criticize a leader until it’s no longer a thing.
A lot of really brave people in history have fought for that right that so many take for granted now.
A lot of really brave people in history have fought for that right that so many take for granted now.
It is really a right for only a few countries. Plently of countries you will be arrested and/or disappeared for criticizing the leadership.
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By a few I meant Europeans and American countries.
a fair amount of countries in Asia
Only a handful of countries isn't fair amount.
I do think you get your worldview from an amygdala overfed by mediocre movies and clickbait.
Nah I live in one of those countries. A very good way to end up in jail is criticizing the government, a better way of ending up dead in a canal is doing it consistently. I am not mentioning my country, because it would risk my safety.
Most of the anti gov activists live in foreign countries, and sometimes even their families are harassed. But to you foreigners it is a great democracy and a stable country, and anyone speaking about it has their amygdala overfed by mediocre movies and clickbait.
By a few I meant Europeans and American countries.
That's like 80 countries. You'd still have 40 if you removed half to account for countries like russia and belarus.
Okay, there are 193 countries, so it's less than half of em at most
by any metric it’s not just “a few”
What the hell are you talking about, only in dictatorship countries you can't criticize your government, the rest of the countries, which are the absolute most you can do as you please and they won give a rats ass unless you have too much reach on whatever you're saying
LOL you can say whatever you want as long as nobody hears you… come on man re-read what you wrote.
And just do a quick search… according to multiple sources there are now more autocracies than democracies, and more people live in full autocracies than liberal democracies.
I’m referencing the Varieties of Democracy Institute (V-Dem) at the University of Gothenburg, Freedom House, The Economist, and reams of papers you can find on page one of Google. What are you referencing beyond your pre-existing biases and conceptions?
Plenty of so called democratic countries are practically dictatorship.
Without wider context you sound like ruzzian shill, trying to shit on legitimate democracy.
Russia is literally an example. They technically elect their president but in practice they are a dictatorship.
The way I interpret what they're saying is that there are a number of countries that profess to be a democracy even though they are not.
Wait until he hears that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not actually a democracy.
By your sentence you sound like an ignorant westerner oblivious of the world that exists beyond the Anglosphere.
As most of the other "westerners," I can't relate. That's why I mentioned wider context. Otherwise your statement doesn't make any sense. Democracy that is dictatorship is not democracy, but a dictatorship. Wtf lol.
I live in Lithuania and there is literally an influencer that made a research and uncovered how both local and "big" politicians waste thousands of euros on unimportant office equipment, gas checks etc... Nobody off that person. I can criticize whoever I want. And we are considered flawed democracy.
Democracy is not perfect, but it really feels weird when people shit on it while living in actual oligarchy or dictator state.
Think about it population wise, with China alone we have have 1 Billion+ people who do not have that right.
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If you think you can criticize Modi in India publicly without getting in some sort of trouble, you haven’t been in India.
How's it countered? They literally went to Canada to murder a guy.
Then his supporters tried to say that Canada's PM should have muzzled Canadian media on reporting that stuff...
“As of today, some 38 percent of the global population live in Not Free countries, the highest proportion since 1997. Only about 20 percent now live in Free countries.“
from Freedom House’s Freedom in the World reprt 2022
Do you have more to say beyond baseless attacks and pre-existing biases?
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In the same report, 58% of countries were classified as not free or partly free. Also, from V-Dem’s Democracy Report 2023: Defiance in the Face of Autocratization, there are more closed autocracies than liberal democracies, see page 11.
Why are you so defensive? When presented with evidence you lash out and mount personal attacks. Why is that? (Is it because you don’t have faith in the accuracy of your preconceptions that you so rashly and rudely aired?) You could do your own research or just stop the attacks.
Also, why harp on the weak copout of saying that the debate is limited to the number of countries and not also the number of people living in one or the other? Is that all you have to fall back on?
That doesn't say you will be arrested or disappeared for criticizing the government though. Which was the whole point. Plenty of countries have not completely democratic systems but the people still enjoy a lot of rights.
Let’s be fair here. Saying lots of countries when a majority is the world doesn’t have free speech is very much a silly thing to do. It just reeks of ignorance. Whether good intentions or not. It’s 2024, we should know better by now. That is exactly why people get annoyed.
Bro your amygdala just got stomped on lol
And to protest.
Yup. There is nothing more dangerous to a kleptocratic or authoritarian regime than the right to protest.
Protests are where otherwise non violent people usually realize that when democracy fails, a bleeding mad king is what lubricates its restoration.
Fuck trump, fuck Biden, fuck Boein… cough, actually I think I’ll hold off on that last one
They said leaders, not corporations 😉
Those are our leaders' leaders.
We have democracy in most governments. Next step is companies
A lot of really brave people in history have fought for that right
Though let's be honest, the brave are mostly people who are constitutionally incapable of adapting to rigid bullying structures that are insinuated into their lives by whatever new monkeys who've bumbled into power.
That may be the most accurate statement I’ve ever read.
Thank you for this.
Thanks! Not to sound pretentious, I'm proud of my writing, but when I finished the comment I thought it must certainly be one of my greatest hits.
I don’t know about that. Anyone can step up and be brave given the right motivation timing luck.
Well if Trump is elected again, public executions are probably only a year away
In 2025, in America, it may no longer be a thing.
Trump won't let you for much longer.
May he rest in peace
FUCK YEAH DUDE.
I have undergone catechism and the one thing that Catholic school most certainly taught me to appreciate is to have some hard bars before being tortured to death.
Beautiful. 🙏
When Lawrence was martyred by being burned on a slowly-turning rotisserie, he quipped with his tormentors saying, “Turn me over. I'm done on this side.”
St. Lawrence died getting the literal last laugh.
Lmao he was a communist from your quote?? Just as evil ??? How was he a hero
I recently watched Hitler: The Rise of Evil and the series depicts Gerlich very closely. Some of you might think he was insane to publish something like that, but Hitler wasn’t as powerful when Gerlich started writing articles about him and the Nazi party. Not sure how accurate this is, but it gives you a good context on the politics in Germany at that time. Apparently he was one of the first ones to be sent to a Concentration Camp.
Before He became chanchlor He was more like a facist polititian with his own militia. (SA) He would regulary order the SA to threathen and often beat up the Opposition. But He did not had the ressources yet for what He would Do After He became chanchlor. After that of course we all know what happened.
(SS)
The SA. The SS was formed to purge them and tjeir gay leader
thanks for the correction.
No. Formed in 1925, SS was initially and formally a part of SA. When Himmler assumed the position of Reichsführer-SS in January 1929 he started to establish independence from SA. The main role of the SS was to protect party leaders including Hitler. SA was a party militia that secured party rallies and it eliminated opponents. SS eliminated SA leadership when Hitler accused them of plotting against him, but the reason for forming the SS was not SA itself, and after the night of the long knives SA continued to exist but was downsized.
When AH spent some time in prison, he had time to think about how things had progressed before his arrest. The army swore an oath to the constitution of Germany.
When the SS and the SA were formed, they swore an oath of loyalty directly to AH.
Until I read that, I wondered why the Waffen SS was formed. Why not just give the available resources to the German Army to form an elite unit with better resources?
Interesting. Luke space marines purging thunder warriors in real life.
He forced the council to accept his protoge as a member but they refused to elevate him to the rank of Master and used the protoges anger to make him kill all those poor younglings in The Night of Long Knives, sparking a absurdly long chain of events that eventually led to Hitler's downfall?
Uhh. Does anyone else think the constant use of "He" in this comment is weird? Capitalization like that is usually used in religious texts to refer to gods...
Especially looking at the post history where half the comments don't have any capitalization at all...
Half my comments are written on PC and the other half on my Phone where Autocorrect does its spooky Thing.
Quit it with the "He", Hitler wasn't a god.
That series, while kind of entertaining, was so wildly inaccurate.
Some people just can’t take a joke.
Hitler was famous for his sense of humor
He was also a great painter. He could paint an entire living room in an afternoon, two coats.
World leaders can't all be comic geniuses like Stalin.
Mr. Burns: "Have the Rolling Stones killed."
Smithers: "But Sir those aren't..."
Mr. Burns: "Do as I say!"
There is nothing more pathetically weak than the insecure dictator.
A redundancy. There are no secure dictators.
eh
it happens - usually before a transition to democracy since an ACTUALLY secure dictator wont be endangered by the accountability - and just letting the vote choose your successor when you retire takes a huge load of responsibility off your back
You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.
That guy was a real jerk!
We should go back and kill Hitler
I read that in Larry David's voice
Pretty sure it’s a Norm MacDonald quote.
I didn't even know he was sick
Yeah, in 1933 Hitler became Chancellor. By 34 he merged Chancellor and President.
Not a good time to do that bro.
Well he did it in 1932 :) couldnt really tell wtf would happen exactly. Or if he would be successful with his plans.
Hitler’s rise to power really was unpredictable. People will tell you that he “was elected” but he really had very minimal actual power until he did some back door dealing to parlay a mostly ceremonial position into real power.
He also wasn't elected at first. He lost the presidential election in 1932 and was appointed chancellor after that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_German_presidential_election
He was barely allowed to run because he was an immigrant
Yeah. I also told that in another comment. Multiple things went very wrong, like Hindenburg helping Hitler, which he at first didnt like at all, the fear of communism and the industrialists heavily Banking Hitler thinking he is an easy to control pawn. Then they got rid of the communist Party, after the fire of the parliament 1933, and made election after election, where Nazis got at best 44%, then other parties helped to get rid of the communists so NSDAP now had over 50% of the seats. And later they all voted for absolute power for Hitler. And a lot more nuances before that.
They were all so scared of the communists, that they didnt react the right way to the Nazis beating and killing their opponents on the streets.
1932/1933 was probably the last time you could have fought back and criticized Hilter and the Nazis. After that, yeah it's 100% suicide to criticize
Thanks.
This is such a dumb take. It was entirely predictable by anyone paying attention. The simple truth is that violence and intimidation were the bread and butter of Nazi tactics. So what’s gonna happen when the violent psychopaths control the government? More violence and intimidation to secure total power.
If you let political groups get away with literal murder everyday before they have any power, you’re dooming your country if they ever get real power
control the government?
Maybe read, dumb shit. I’m talking about the Nazis taking power, not once they had it. It wasn’t just a matter of “well, they won the election” because that isn’t what happened.
I mean, he did attempt a coup in 1923
1932 was far different than 1933 and later. They kept having election after election and after Hindenburg was helping the nazis and after the Reichstagsbrand, after that Hitler became a dictator.
You should read more on the nuances before Hitler actually gained absolute power. Every election 1932 Nazis had like 37%, then 33%.
The NSDAP never had 50% or more. Crazy right? "Only" 44%. But they all blamed the communists for the fire and got rid of the party, helped by the other parties, so NSDAP now had over 50% of the seats in the parlament. Then all of the other parties baiscally voted for Hitler as a dictator and gave him absolute power.
Not many people could have seen it coming 1932...
The blaming everyone strategy is what's becoming popular again. Here Wilders has the most votes now and is always blaming everyone and everything for selfmade problems. Now he has a lot of plans Europe will never be ok with and he will blame them for being in the way for his 'solutions', and I think he will try a nexit after that. He is a smart idiot, and hate that so much people voted for him.
Yeah I know. It's a cheap and fucked up "strategy".
Hey dont blame the killer and his goons who led to the death of 60 million people in a pointless world war they lost anyways... Blame the guys that got beaten up to vote his way. A lot out of fear. Others underestimating Hitler and his goons.
The absurd thing is all those EU critical forces started to gain traction right after 2013/2014 when the Euromaidan in Ukraine happened.
After that Putin saw the EU and the USA as definitive enemies.
Brexit and all the other exits and the rise of the right is all due to Russia cleverly abusing Social Media and bots to use heavy propaganda on the West. And people eat it up.
People forget Russia is the continuation of the Sowjet Union. And they have massive experience in Propaganda. Far more than the nazis, since they lost 1945 and the West, that also sometimes use Propaganda but Not as heavily.
Wilders and the others got heavy help from Russia. They are basically fucking traitors. Damaging their own country and Europe to help number 11/12 th in GDP gas station Russia that dreams of becoming number 1 but cant win vs Ukraine because the West sent some weapons. If the west sent more and Ukraine want forced to fight with a hand tied behind it's back the war could have been over by now.
Afd in Germay even got not only money & election help (mysterious signs that no one really paid for, sometimes swiss billionaire) BUT also strategy help, on how to best capture the german public directly from Russia. It's insane. But unfortunately very effective. Since people are dumb social animals that vote because of feelings. Also by now it's clear that Russia uses refugees as weapons against the west to turn the opinion.
Some people are more heroic than you are.
hitler had such thin skin
Our modern media might ponder the lack of humor of fascists once they manage to seize power.
IIRC it's been proven that right-wingers tend to lack a good sense of humor
What do you mean? The Babylon Bee is just as funny as The Onion! Keep saying it enough times and it’ll come true!
It has some okay stuff, especially years ago, but it's never as "man that is so fucking on point" as the onion
It is kind of insane but also very telling that Trump never laughs
He does laugh! Except it’s only when he’s being cruel. The cruelty is the point. It makes them laugh.
I'm sure Stalin was a bag of laughs.
No it hasn't.
A lesson that needs to be learned every century apparently.
Do Not Poke the Homicidal Maniac.
I think you should. People respect things they fear, they belittle things they mock
Funny how little things have changed.
This is the sort of story trump masturbaiss about..
He longs to have the power to kill people who criticise him.
Right wingers have no sense of humor that is not punching down.
Imagine that, being punished for a joke. Thank God that we now live in a world where not everybody is easily offended....
Yeah, it’s great! No one would ever be jailed for comparing their leader to Gollum.
Do you have a head injury? Are you a teenager? It's rough making fun of people on the Internet because you just don't know if they're just victims of circumstance
Did you take your meds?
q.e.d.
r/TodayiLearned is basically a Nazi facts sub
trump can’t take a joke
It's a shorter list to list the things he can do as opposed to the things he cannot.
Nobody can take a joke like Trump. In fact Trump may be the best joke taker of all time! People, really funny people, always tell Trump how well he takes a joke. /s Sarcasm tag for the magats in the crowd.
That joke is Joe Biden and the democratic party. Absolutely destroying America.
MAGA 2024.
I hope you’re a bot or a very young person. Otherwise, yikes lol. The idea of real grown person spending time this way makes me sad.
The sad thing is there are still way too many people that believe the shit that spews out of his asshole. In fact they’re right there with their mouths wide open
Things to come
Before Nazi Germany.
It was normal for Germans to be proud of their diverse heritage. Nazi Germany took that away.
The liberal progressive eugenicist statist tyrant always prefers murder to discussion. Also: censorship & ad hominem attack —to weighing facts or real science, —how some things never change.
Real comedy is also under assault here- witness censorship, and the sorry “Johnny-One-Note” 🎶nature of the once-funny SNL, & late night comedy —SNL which I suffered thru Sat May 18 for the first time in years, on our anniversary at a hotel —and lamented the complete corrosion and decay into insane & even disturbing idiocy now (demanded? tolerated?) by NBC…
not every conservative is a fascist... it's sometime good to remind yourself of that fact
But I thought it was the left who can't take a joke?
It's whoever you think based on your own stance. It tells more about the speaker than the world.
Both right- and left have certain truisms and topics they consider out of bounds.
Have you seen successful comedians? They aren’t right wingers lol. If left wingers can’t take a joke, then right wingers sure can’t make one.
Let's just pretend the Blue Collar Comedy Tour never existed.
Were they considered funny?
Aren’t most of them just putting on an act? Larry the Cable guy has admitted that the act and the accent are not him
"Country" humor isn't the same as conservative humor, and the Blue Collar Comedy Tour was apolitical by design.
That wasn't the the point being refuted. It was "Have you seen successful comedians? They aren't right wingers lol"
Which is incorrect. Sorry.
Blue Collar comedians aren't right wingers. Look at the very few political statements made by them.
Like the political statement from Jeff Foxworthy endorsing Mitt Romney for president?
Do the others
Also, that's a RINO statement today lol
I dont have to. My point is proven that right wing comedians exist which was the whole point of this comment chain that you are unsuccessfully and continuously attempting to refute. Done here now.
Cool, the majority of the comedy tour is overtly not right wing or Republican when they do talk about it, and you found one member who made a statement that isn't considered right wing anymore, and that definitely proves that the Blue Collar Comedy Tour is an example of successful right wing comedians.
Which really does more to prove the thing I actually said instead of the thing you think I said
But I'll be happy to see you declare victory and go away because it's clear that asking you to comprehend an argument, put effort into understanding a topic beyond what you feel is true (give his podcast a listen and see how laughably wrong you are), or use reading comprehension is pissing up a rope.
So you did it buddy! Good job!
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Is Trudeau suggesting that journalists are treasonous and should be investigated? I honestly have no idea.
Here's a bit of what Trump has said:
“I say up front, openly, and proudly, that when I WIN the Presidency of the United States, they and others of the LameStream Media will be thoroughly scrutinized for their knowingly dishonest and corrupt coverage of people, things, and events,” Trump continued.
“Why should NBC, or any other of the corrupt & dishonest media companies, be entitled to use the very valuable Airwaves of the USA, FREE? They are a true threat to Democracy and are, in fact, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! The Fake News Media should pay a big price for what they have done to our once great Country!” Trump wrote.
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