I've always wondered whether if Feech knew that it was Tony that set him up with the TV thing that ultimately led him back to prison and how long his prison sentence would be for that ? Would he be in prison until his death? I mean he was pretty influential he could just tell people on the outside what Tony did and they could do something about it.
Georgia peaches, those are considered the best.
I always interpreted that scene of him riding on the bus, with that look on his face, as him replaying the whole thing and understanding exactly what happened.
From the expression on his face when he got busted, I’d say he knew. As far as influential, I’m not so sure. He’d been away a long time, didn’t really have the time to build up a cadre loyle (did that on purpose) to him, and it didn’t state or imply he was a capo.
I’d guess there wasn’t a lot he could do about it.
Yeah he definitely knew by the end. The cinematography in his bus ride back to prison just shows how he’s resigned to his fate. He knows what happened and why, he’s from the old school.
Do you think part of him was relieved?
I don’t think he was relieved, per se, but there was certainly a comfort in the known that I picked up on from his final bus ride scene. He definitely wanted to enjoy the free life, but I think he knew he could do the jail bid if he had to. Seems like as noble of a loss as he could claim
I didn't get the impression that he was relieved just resigned to the reality of the situation. It might have been a little more impactful if we had met his daughter or something like that, someone that we knew loved him. But we never met anyone like that and it's possible there was nobody like that
Maybe the relief was that he didn’t just get shot and instead was sent to prison.
Not to mention, they not so subtly drive-by a car dealership and focus on all the cars on his way to jail.
i must be loyle to my feecho
Didn’t have the time to build up cadre loyle, Feech?
I agree he knew but what could he do?
When Tony was crying his crocodile tears Sil says something like the guys thought this was the best thing rather than "you know" so he had no one
That's wen Tony's at one of his most hypocritical
He says he worshipped this guy b4 & after ripping him off. But he is willing to send him to jail.
He goes on about coming in at the end.
Wen the boss is doing that the end is nigh
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, Ton' was right, Feech was fucking off the reservation meeting with the king of New York and Junior. He was undermining him in front of all the capos, and that's the type of thing he was teaching his kids not to do! END OF SUBJECT
Good thing that your END OF STORY doesn’t mean ugatz to me.
Now do yourself a favor and get the fuck out of here
Bunch of undocumented central american bakery workers briefly pause before going back to work
I SAID MY PIECE CHRISSY
You're just a hot head flower
Small hands, that's his problem.
*hot house flower, you kiss ass
Yeah Tony does a lot of dumb shit but this was a smart move, he was right to compare the situation with Richie whom he was also very patient with despite how combative and disrespectful he was. Feech was doing the same shit, testing Tony's limits, etc. Except Tony is in a much weaker position and Feech can actually sell it
Big feet too
One of the recurring things about Tony is that he often professes great admiration for the old school mobsters, when in reality, he is almost constantly feuding with them. Right from the get go, he has trouble with Uncle June, causing a succession war that ends in Junior backing down. As soon as Richie Aprile gets out of jail, he becomes a menace to Tony; the only reason it didn't come to blows is because he got clipped by Janishhh because he couldn't even follow his own advice about not raising his hands to a woman he hadn't married. Feech was a more popular version of Richie, and bumped heads with Tony regularly. Phil Leotardo and Tony bickered for most of Season 6, eventually going to the mattresses. It's one more example of how he totally lives in a fantasy, right up until reality finally sets in for him at the end of the show.
they’re all stand-ins for his dad, who he could never admit he fucking hated
good take
I think he liked the idea of the old timers and wanted to pay homage to them and what they’d done, but they were out of touch and didn’t show him respect.
“Those who want respect, give respect.”
Tony was fine with putting Richie and Feech back in action and even made Richie a captain. The problem was these guys showed no respect. Richie nearly kills Beansie and disrespects the executive game. He gives Sil and Paulie shit m about the ramp and both out rank him. Then tried to orchestrate a hit on Tony and take over.
Feech verbally disrespects Tony several times as well as Paulie who is Tony’s underboss, out ranking him in the pyramid since time immemorial. Then has the balls to pull off a car heist at the wedding of the prick Dr daughter. Then moves the cars thru Johnny Sack instead of Tony’s shops.
In my opinion, Tony was in the right with both of these guys. He tried to do right by them, put them back in action and restored their status in the family to a reasonable extent. Neither had respect for this thing or Tony’s position as boss.
They were malignant cunts. End of story.
it just gets back to how the "old school" is just a myth, these guys are the same shitty thugs we see today
Every one of them stated they thought of him as a kid.
I think another thing is that he just loves power and status, and he loves that the mythologized old mobsters seemed all powerful no-fuck-giving gods, but even though he constantly resents his position, he has no qualms about forcing his way through to keep it. Those old guys, he loves them when they're an image to idolize but not an obstacle. Just how they're all Catholic but they don't really do any fucking thing Christian-like. Well, they do hang with whores, but they're not particularly kind to them.
Well, I think Tony was considered young for a boss, though Jackie Aprile appeared to be roughly the same age, and those guys had been gone a while, so that probably made it harder for them to not just respect him, but obey him.
Feech had to go. Causing too many problems.
Killing him would have been more ethical under the code of the mafia. Killing him versus effectively diming him to a parole officer, although maybe if the parole officer is on the take it doesn't count as being a rat?
Rat move for me
Right I mean it's the kind of thing where he can never know for sure but honestly even if he wasn't set up he probably would have been suspicious that he had been given how unusual the visit was.
More than that he I would have a lot of time to think about it. And especially how convenient it was that Chris had just showed up
Yes but Feech was insistent on keeping the stolen merch in his garage, so maybe he blames himself? He knows but he doesn’t, he thinks maybe, if.
His sentence would depend on his release conditions, he was going back for violating parole, not for storing the TVs
He was on parole so it could be quite a long time not just for the crime itself but now he's got to serve the full sentence he got before. He could've been paroled from a life sentence for all we know
And I’m sure there is another conviction for having stolen goods over $5k
Possibly although it might not even be worth the effort of prosecuting your case like that for someone with that age and that's on parole.
It's the right move, T.
He's well liked T
Did he learn nothing from Richie Aprile?
Now that's another thing
Say what you will about Richie Aprile, but when he found out his son was gay, he did the right thing... he disowned him!
Listen to you, you sound demented
I’ve wondered that too but I don’t think the look on his face is proof he knew. Of course he could have suspected it but the pissy look could have just been him being upset about going back to prison.
A PO can randomly stop by at any time. So from Feech’s prospective, the only unusual thing was it being a different PO. The viewer knows it a set up but Chris played it well getting Feech to talk him into taking the truck.
I think that look was just him realizing he shouldn’t have stored the TVs; that he was too eager to get back into any and all action. If he’d realized, it would have been a very different reaction. It was also quite a subtle setup to pick up on.
I think he absolutely surmised what happened. On the other side of the coin, I think this may have been Tony’s most prudent and well thought out decision he made as acting boss. He fought through his conflicting emotions and didn’t act impulsively (either way) and dealt with the problem
Yeah I think from a viewer standpoint we were supposed to be impressed with Tony that he was able to find a creative solution for getting rid of Feech. And as a different commenter said, Feech was the one who suggested they store the TVs in his garage, as long as he got one for his own use.
Feech insisted on having a flat screen for his apartment. If he hadn't done that then he might have been okay.
The PO was tipped off about tvs in the garage.
Right, but if he didn't have one in his apartment, he could have had plausible deniability, "The van was in there when I rented the place."
You sound demented
good thinking. missed your calling, should’ve been a lawyer
yeah, must’ve been jimmy’s legal counsel
Chinks built those?
The PO was the same one they reference to Tony B (I think)as being able to help. If the tv’s didn’t get him they would have tried something else. Feech should have just laughed at that Boring 747 joke.
That scene was great. I was once at some BS work event and the regional president kept making jokes that people were laughing at. Then I said something that people laughed at and I kind of looked around and he was giving me an ice glare with his Manson eyes, like he was the only one allowed to be funny. Never trusted him after that. True story, he ended up getting fired for falsifying expense reports despite making big money in salary.
I do that all the time, how’d he get caught?
Did you do it with a trip to the Kentucky Derby with your best friend and your respective spouses?
Nah, that parole officer was either on the take or had already gotten an anonymous tip about the garage before he got there. He was always going to check it
The parole officer is not a judge, not a jury. They have to find you guilty and a lawyer could have easily created reasonable doubt if not for the fact that you have some of the merchandise in your personal space and have even claimed ownership of it.
That's not the way it works for people on parole. POs have near unlimited discretion in determining whether or not someone is in violation.
But once the lawyers got involved he could have gotten it squared away quickly, been back out in a matter of weeks or months.
How so? What is there to straighten out? Even if he could prove he was entrapped somehow, he was on parole. A failed urine test is enough to revoke parole. Being late for an appointment with the parole officer can get you thrown back in There is no way he is lawyering himself out of the parole violation. I mean maybe a good lawyer could have got the charge to go away but that's kind of a moot point when a guy's in his '70s and is now going back to prison to finish a lengthy sentence.
Even if you could somehow get the stolen television charge dropped, the parole violation is not going anywhere. He was in possession of stolen property. And when you're on parole you don't have the same rights as a defendant on a jury trial.. there is not the same burden of proof.
I mean the fact that they're not a judge and not a jury is because they have a lot more power than a judge or a jury. A parole officer can revoke bail really easily.
There's no way they were going to be able to plausibly defend having a garage full of stolen televisions..lol
That's what I thought. No matter the other factors, he got greedy and fell right into the trap. I think he recognized he fucked up, he got played and fell for it. In the bus scene, that's how I took it. A great wind was carrying him across the sky, yet he was crying the blues because he had no bread.
This is true - after we cut away from Feech, they start chanting "Better! Call! Manna!"
I don't think it would have made a difference since it's pretty obvious this was an entire setup. They were going to look in the garage no matter what.
But it does show how careless he was. Me even if they wasn't set up, the fact that he said the TV up right away before he even got the stuff out of there was pretty funny
Poor bastard didn’t even get to find out plasma was a short lived trend in the world of consumer electronics
He went to prison for parole violation so it depends on his original sentence.
They'd call him a crazy conspiracy theorist
Feech fucked up by getting involved with any. little. thing. he could get involved with. And he knew it. He's from the old school; he should've known to lay low, play it cool, and make money. But noooooo, he had to get a taste. That cockaroash.
I'm Fred Astaire
He knew godfather set him up. Tony also knew the old mustache couldn’t resist but to store those tvs for a price.
Deep down he knew, but he would probably never admit it to himself. He was a broken man on the bus going in, but i bet as soon as he walked through the door, he would put on the big act again. Doubt he would ever question it with anyone or cause trouble for Tony. Even if he did, I'm sure he could be "convinced" to drop it and that it was totally random. Plus, I don't think he really had much genuine influence due to the time spent behind bars.
As for his sentence, I have no idea how US law works, but I'm guessing he would have to serve out the remainder of his original term and then some.
There is room for interpretation but if he didn't figure out if that exact moment, you got to think he probably would have figured it out with all that time he has to think about it on the long ride to prison. Or all of his time in prison.
It's the kind of thing where he might never know for sure but will always be suspicious. The show highly suggest that the parole officer was on the take, which I guess I naively thought was not the case the first time and that they were just sort of buying out the original guy who was on the take and told him not to show up.
The look on his face on the bus ride says he knew something was up.
The look on his face was of someone who knew they were going to die in prison.
I think he would have figured it out. He overstepped too many times.
This is one of the most divergent plot lines.
A real mobster who wasn't a government informant would never give authorities information or enlist them to help him remove a troublesome member..
Feech would have gotten accommodated,, marginalized,.or killed, but never dimed out.
And his fellow members wouldn't consider this a clever fait accompli x coup.
They'd think he was a rat and chase or kill him..
He knew but he didn’t know
Old school guy like that isn't gonna rat on Tony or start shit he can't do anything about
He knew.
Considering he was in prison for 20 years, his parole was probably pretty strict. I’m guessing at least another 5 years and at that point he’s really going to be an old man
In the pilot he waxes about getting in at the end. In therapy he talks to Melfi how his old man had it good. But he def doesn’t like the old school ways. He likes the new mob.
Probably but as a loyal soldier just accepted that is what the boss wanted
He know, but he don’t know…
It's pretty interesting to think that the sopranos thought stealing a truck, and inviting whatever liability that comes with in terms of risk... And then sacrificing all those televisions which will end up in the hands of the parole department or whatever...
That's a pretty expensive way to get rid of the guy.. Probably would have been cheaper just to hit him.
I'm not sure I even buy the idea that this would do a better job of keeping the crew from getting upset since feech was allegedly respected.
Because if Chris knew about this and Silvio and Benny, everyone pretty much probably knew that this was a setup.
And I don't know how well that would go over with the crew knowing that if you piss Tony off not only might you get killed but he might literally help you get thrown in the can.
Feech was well liked
That is not how this went at all. They specifically didn't ask him so he wouldn't be suspicious. They got him to volunteer.
Georgia peaches, those are supposed to be the best
See, he's deflecting
knowing what we know of Feech, he was probably gonna rip off Chrissy and Benny lol
The symbolism of Christopher having a sucker in that scene was funny as hell.
Well no one asked you what you fuckin think
Feech knew what time it was when it was not the regular parole officer coming by