Apparently some people believe Biden is to blame for it, which I honestly don't understand. Quite a few republican voters believe it and surprisingly some Democrats do as well, why?
Why do some people blame Biden for the over turning of roe?
DiscussionWay too many people don't understand how the government actually works, but are confident that they know exactly how it works. Way too many people don't pay attention at all to politics, but still have opinions on it. All they see is that it happened during Biden's administration, so they blame him.
Dunning-Kruger in full effect.
We have an incredibly undereducated population for a first world country. Most people don’t listen past the first 1-2 sentences. Most people can’t do algebra 2, and the government is way more fucking complicated.
Those same people think milk completely expires at exactly midnight on the date printed on the carton.
I have had milk expire before the date ‼️😳
which proves the point being made
They’re either being dishonest or absolute fucking morons. Neither one were ever going to vote for him.
This
Loyalty to their orange orangutan god-king is priority number 1
I think you under estimate how many morons are on our side
This is very true and quite fair but I don't think those particular morons are blaming Biden for Roe.
Ignorance, stupidity, motivated reasoning, bad faith.
No, Biden and Democrats deserve a large share of the blame. Like it or not, we have to give conservatives credit, they had a plan, to stack the Supreme Court over a long period of time, and they succeeded. Democrats did not have a plan, but rather they messed up every step of the way.
First, when Biden was in the senate, he was pro-life early on, so he slowed that process.
From the NY Times: When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade
Biden was not always supportive of abortion rights, so he certainly didn't help the situation for a long part of his career. But let's look at Democrats in general:
Democrats had 50 years since Roe, they never secured the right to an abortion because they knew suckers like your mom would vote for them anyway and they could always use the issue to campaign on.
Roe vs Wade was settled in 1973.
- Carter had a veto-proof supermajority in the 95th congress, 1977–1979.
- Carter had a unified gov't (majority Senate and House) in the 96th congress, 1979-1981
- Clinton had a unified gov't in the 103rd Congress, 1993-1995
- Obama had a supermajority (for 72 days) and a unified in the 111th congress
- Biden had a unified gov't in 2021-2023
5 opportunities paid lip service to, and then promptly ignored the issue. Let's look at Obama-
Obama and the Democrats had huge leads in congress, did they do anything about abortion? No. In fact, three months into his presidency, Obama blatantly said he wouldn't do anything about it .
Except, It would not matter if the Democrats codified it just as they did with Affordable Health Care Act. If Voters did not consistently vote for Democrats in Congress or Democrats in the Oval Office; they would still be in the same boat.
Since a law can be codified but THEN the Supreme Court and review that law and break it apart; as they have done with multiple other ones. So if they find that the signed law is not Constitutional they would have stripped elements of it either way. Resulting in the same process.
The Democrats do not have the American Fascist Heritage Foundation, and the Federalists Society actively training lawyers and judges to break Democrat approved laws and claim they are all "unconstitutional" while they enact their quest for Project 2025.
The only thing is could have done was made it a longer process and essentially get Roe vs Wade reversed and the law reversed in another couple of election cycles (and I mean Congressional ones and State ones) so maybe in another four years if at all. They know exactly how to use the Fascist workbook to get the government to fit their shape, and the country.
In order for the Democrats to establish this, they would have needed multiple lobbying groups that were fundamentally training judges and lawyers in much the same way as the Federalist Society does. Sorry but no.
So you took a lot of words to tell me that Democrats aren't capable of doing anything on abortion. Got it. So if I care about this issue, voting for them is a waste.
Voting against them is literally claiming you absolutely don’t give a shit about the issue.
They are trying to do it. Now they are trying to enact state by state laws on it. They can then go for National. They can then go and establish a Federalist Society of sorts but it has to be from essentially the rich and wealthy that may or may not even be Democrats that can actively coach lawyers and apply constitutional changes and roadblocks.
They are trying to do it but if they don’t have all of the states, it is harder. But ultimately that they are trying to do is create more hurdles which makes it a longer and more costly battle. It then gives them time to win enough seats and reenact things.
Ultimately, if you care for anything you’d still vote but since most of you think you are smarter than everyone else while having no actual convictions since you aren’t personally impacted aka don’t care. It’s all a fad to you. Once again proving that Americans don’t actually care for anything other than what impacts them day to day. By the way, that’s not smart politics.
You want change? Vote locally. Try to get the democrats locally and then put pressure on them and the states to start adding roadblocks so it becomes a harder process. You all live under this illusion that if you vote for a party they should do every change overnight and that change is permanent so you never have to vote ever again. It boggles the mind. This country’s laws were written in a way to not allow one party to have full legislative power eternally which means it’s a darn yo-yo
And do you think ALL of that is what people are referring to when they solely blame Biden for the over turn or roe because they noticed it happened 'on his watch'?!
Let's be real here!
Seeing all this, why would I believe Biden or the Democrats will actually do anything about Roe?
Believe what you want. Just don’t mollycoddle all those ignorant fools who think Biden was the one who single-handedly overturned Roe. 🙄
Cite me exactly where someone said that "Biden was the one who single-handedly overturned Roe." Give me a link.
Your name tells me exactly what you are. And an especially smug one!
My name is saying "You Are Still A Troll." For example, when asked a simple question like "cite me an instance where someone said 'Biden was the one who single-handedly overturned Roe.' and you refuse to do so, it makes YOU the troll, not me.
So let's try this again. You mentioned " ignorant fools who think Biden was the one who single-handedly overturned Roe." Please link me to such a person, and you and I can both talk about how we agree that this person is an ignorant fool.
Such an irony that it is you who are the troll!
You said there are "ignorant fools who think Biden was the one who single-handedly overturned Roe." I want to see this. Please give me a link.
Well, if those same people had voted for Hillary Clinton back in 2016, Roe would still be the law of the land. But her emails...🙄
She's so unlikeable and isn't as entertaining tho!
You can blame voters for Hillary's lose, or you can blame the Democrats for putting up such a terrible candidate and running a terrible campaign. I choose the latter.I don't blame the little people.
If the people had an iq over 80 Hillary would be in office right now. Fuck the people.
Guy brought the receipts.
I think they didn’t codify Roe because they were either
Overly optimistic that no Supreme Court would overturn what most consider settled law
Overly cynical in a sense that keeping abortion as a hot button issue benefits democrats at the polls. This sentiment was demonstrably true during the 2022 midterms.
Or 3. They didn't think it was necessary.
Magical thinking and cherry picking numbers with no additional context. Expert troll.
Well, voters who don't understand how the Supreme Court works have been sitting out a number of major elections, especially 2000, 2004, and 2016. They can't understand how they showed up a few times to vote, specifically *for* abortion rights, but that wasn't enough because all the times they didn't bother to vote a GOP president and Senate appointed and confirmed antiabortion judges.
They say Democrats should have "codified" Roe, but they don't grasp that any code would be subject to interpretation by the same court that just overturned Roe. In fact, a Supreme Court decision usually stands stronger than a statutory law. They're low information voters.
They also don't have the context correct. There has been no time, even during Obama's presidency, that the Dems had the votes to codify Roe.
Nothing like a constitutional amendment supermajority, no.
Which is not what they needed.
Yeah it is. A federal statute can't confer a right to abortion. There would be infinite questions of the scope of the law with regard to the rights of the states to ban it. It requires a Constitutional Amendment to guarantee a right to abortion, or else a reversal of Dobbs by a future Supreme Court, affirming that Roe was correct in finding a constitutional right to abortion already exists.
Why did Obama promise to do that then? And why did no legal scholars at the time raise your objection?
Obama promised it to win the election. The good news is that it wouldn't have mattered if he did do it, it would still be struck down by the Federalist Society, who would raise all the objections I have done, and much, much more.
Hey promised to codify Roe.
I didn't say he didn't.
Didn’t Obama run on doing just that? I distinctly remember him saying it several times. Then he said it wasn’t a priority. Is it possible that having Roe in place was a way to keep pro-choice voters coming to the voting booths? Hey, vote for us, you don’t wanna lose Roe. I’m just spitballing, I’m a Dem and I always will be but politicians on both sides play games to either gain or keep power. The GOP is way way worse of course. Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Mitch McConnell are complete scum.
Obama ran mainly on revamping healthcare, taking care of the middle class and the poor, and hope (also not being Bush jr).
Nobody was worried about Roe at the time, not even Republicans. It had been law for over 30yrs.
I campaigned for him. Roe was very low on the platform. Things like climate change, shoring up the economy (which was crashing hard at the time), and getting the warmonger Republicans out of office, etc, was the priority of the day.
I don’t doubt your expertise or inside information, but Obama did say “the first thing I would do as president is sign the freedom of choice act.” That seems like something of a priority but it never happened.
And when was that bill delivered to his desk?
That’s where the limits of my knowledge end. But as president could he not instruct the democrats in congress/senate to get it to his desk? I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this, I’m a Brit who moved here 20 years ago, we were never taught about the US political system. Our own was hard enough to understand.
A quick google search will tell you the bill died in 2007, the year before he was elected, and before the economy (housing crisis) tanked. As I said, and if you do some quick research (or were just paying attention then), healthcare and shoring up the economy were his top priorities. Codifying Roe was very low on his list or anyone’s… mainly because people were dying by the hundreds of thousands due to the pre-existing conditions clause most healthcare insurance companies had.
Do you think we have a chance of getting Roe back? I have two daughters, 19 & 17, and I’m terrified of the future they may have ahead of them. I don’t say abortion is an easy decision, but it has to be a decision they can make. The idea of going back to folding tables in grimy illegal surgeries has me wanting to move them to Britain with me. Overall I see a huge trend in taking the country back to the fifties. They’re more pushing to remove no fault divorce. They’re literally trying to make it illegal to do anything that isn’t this utopian Christian white male vision of the country.
I have 3 daughters and 5 sisters, we are all currently moving out of Texas. (My fam are the last ones).
I think that even if Roe was codified, we’d probably be in the same position today… nothing would have stopped the idiots like Alito and the other christofascist pigs from overturning Roe. Our biggest mistake was letting Trump become president and have the chance to put all those shitbirds on the court.
The ability to put abortion rights back into federal law will be a very hard fight. It is possible, but people have to give the party that can and would do it enough power. If we as progressives, and liberals keep giving our leaders weak governments, we will never achieve much of anything other than small incremental change.
I guarantee you if the Dems had enough power to get a pro choice bill on the desk of either Obama or Biden, it would have been signed the same day.
So cute the excuses you’ll make for your cult leaders not even attempting. Obama campaigned that it was the first thing he would do, then said it wasn’t a priority once elected. Quit making excuses for him, clown.
That’s not true at all. Obama campaigned on revamping healthcare as his priority, as well as correcting the economy crashing at the time. Roe was a 30yr old settled law at the time, it was absolutely not on the top of the priority list. You can make shit up all you want, and try to rewrite history to fit your agenda, but that does make it reality.
Oof…
July 17, 2007, Obama declared, "The first thing I'd do, as president, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I’d do.”
They say Democrats should have "codified" Roe, but they don't grasp that any code would be subject to interpretation by the same court that just overturned Roe.
When the Democrats had the power to codify it, there was a different Supreme Court. Democrats haven't had the ability to codify it since Obama ran on that and decided against trying until it was definitively too late.
Even with the majority Obama had, there still weren't enough votes. At the time, there were democrats that would have opposed it.
Then it shouldn't have been a central campaign promise and he still could have attempted it so every anti-choice democrat would have to publicly sign their name.
What would be the political purpose of that? To publicly split and damage the party for no actual gain? Why not have Obama cut his own nose off while he's at it?
To make a clear statement of unity and hopefully get the anti-choicers out so that promises can be kept. Or even better, force them to get in line so that the legislation actually passes.
Do you prefer accepting politicians lie to you or would you rather they try to accomplish what they say?
This isn't a serious political take. Unprompted self-destruction isn't a viable plan. There is no way to "codify" Roe in Federal Law without an interpretation of the Constitution that will support it. And that always entails winning. Only winning matters.
You insult my position as unserious, but you think giving politicians power without expectation will get you what you want.
Politicians will have power regardless. They won't stop having a government just because you're not satisfied that Democrat X is not pro choice enough. Instead during that term, you'll get Republican Y who will appoint judges and make laws you absolutely abhor. I don't say you're unserious to insult you, I say it because your idea of how government works does not seem to consider these realities.
Where did I say there would be no government? Politicians are people and if you keep putting people in power with no expectations then you'll never get what you want because they have no reason to do it. Democrats played the empty promise game for decades while Republicans made moves to fulfill getting rid of Roe. Guess who won?
I don't say you're unserious to insult you, I say it because your idea of how government works does not seem to consider these realities.
If you try to pretend you didn't insult me just to handwave logic you don't like again, you're getting blocked. That's rude and not something I put up with.
No there is expectation, expectation means:
You not only put laws into books at times, when needed.
You place judges in the supreme court that are not from the Federalists Society. That is a fascist group passing off as Constitutionalists.
You also have to pick what you really want DNC to do. Is it affordable healthcare single payer, is it abortion, etc. Because Presidents cannot always pass 100 different laws and get everything you want right out of the flood gate in 4 years. Because guess what, they aren't DICTATORS!
Which is what you guys want. You want a President that pushes the Legislative branch to do what he wants. That by default is dictatorship. It may be to the side that you want it to be, but it's the same as for instance: Trump getting all the GOP to become his party.
I have read similar liberal pieces to protect his legacy and still hold that he could have tried. He chose not to to avoid embarrassing anti-choice democrats.
If you actually read that timeline, you'd see that he had literally 24 days of a super majority (not even consecutively) in his first 2yrs of his presidency. His priority at the time, and rightly so, was trying to do away with pre-existing conditions and to try and revamp healthcare.
He never had the super-majority due to Kennedy's and Byrd's sicknesses & deaths, Al Franken's contested election, and the infamous blue dog known as Joe Lieberman, plus a few other shenanigans. The votes were literally not there.
This article is not about protecting Obama's legacy, it's explaining the reality of those two years. If you think those facts are incorrect, would love to hear why.
Those Democrat politicians represented areas that were Democrats but more traditionalist in social issues. That is HOW politics works. A party in the US does not have to represent the exact interpretation and OPINIONs that you have.
This is why you guys are seen as naive and children. And before you go off on Parliamentarian systems, they too have to form coalition governments where COMPROMISING is key.
Learn that term.
Furthermore, analyze this. Obama's Affordable Care Act, and various other Laws that Democrats put in place have been stripped to barely nothing at this time by the current Supreme Court. The only thing laws do now a days is make it a longer period and more annoying fight for them giving us the chance to secure more seats and replace current existing Supreme Court members with ones that lean in our party.
You want to be like the GOP? You have to unfortunately need to understand long-term strategy vs short-term. Something the youth doesn't have.
Wise politicians don't waste time trying to bring something to a vote that you don't know will pass. If the voters had given him a strong enough majority with pro choice reps and senators, it would have been done.
So you would prefer politicians lie to you and not even try over trying to keep their word and identify the people in the way if it doesn't happen?
Obama didn't lie. Politicians make a lot of promises, but they aren't always able to keep them depending on how elections go. Here is the list of promises that Obama made and what were kept, compromised, and broken.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true
On the promise to sign the freedom of choice act this is the most relevant quote. "The protection of Roe v. Wade in federal law remains a long-term priority for NARAL Pro-Choice America and the pro-choice community. Unfortunately, the composition of Congress (including the first two years of President Obama's term) did not include enough pro-choice votes to pass legislation like the Freedom of Choice Act," NARAL said in a statement.
If the votes were there and the act had passed, Obama 100% would have signed it into law. You make it sound like Obama made that promise and intentionally broke it. That is not what happened. If you want, you can look up the dems that wouldn't have voted for it.
I am well aware of the reasons it didn't pass back then. He still chose to back burner it until it was definitively impossible and not just something that would have embarrassed anti-choice democrats by forcing them to make their stance highly public. If he wasn't going to try then he shouldn't have promised to.
Quite frankly Bill Clinton would have been the administration that had to codify Roe vs Wade. If you want to put the blame in the warmer area.
No, because any law that was passed previously would still today be subject to review by the court as it is now. So it wouldn't make any difference, if you allow the Supreme Court to become captured by the Federalist Society by not voting. Lesson: There are no permanent victories in politics.
There are huge optics differences between a law and a ruling being overturned. So yes it could be overturned, but you're talking as if things shouldn't be tried when promised just because they might be stopped later.
All rulings are based on interpretation of laws. If you don't hold the court, you don't have the ability to make the laws you want. That's just the fact of the system since the Supreme Court seized the power of Judicial Review. The Court has proven ready, willing and able to maim a fresh law like the Affordable Care Act, just as readily as laws well over a century old.
So you believe things shouldn't even be attempted unless they're certain to happen?
In politics you should have a political reason for everything you do. Losing to lose and expecting that will show everybody how righteous you are, is not a good reason. There's no discipline to enforce on anti-abortion Democrats, they're not being elected by blue state liberals, they're mostly being elected by purple districts because they match up with their own constituents.
Some match up, others don't. When Cuellar was being threatened by a progressive the same month Roe was leaked, Pelosi personally went to save him. He's now under investigation with serious evidence for corruption. Getting trash like that exposed and out is enough reason to let their constituents know exactly where they stand.
That's conflating two different issues. He's not under threat for being antiabortion, he's under investigation for corruption. It's tempting to think that people who agree with us are good people generally, but that's not necessarily so. I support primary challengers, but that is a separate issue from sitting out general elections should those challengers fail.
I support primary challengers, but that is a separate issue from sitting out general elections should those challengers fail.
Where are you getting that idea from? Where have I suggested sitting out any election?
Yes there was a different court but this court that is there now would have tore it up and tossed it.
The Dems/Obama never really had the supermajority to codify Roe. This is a Republican myth.
Yes - if this is true why did Obama promise to codify it?
How convenient - there is absolutely nothing democrats can do until they control a majority on the Supreme Court. I guess business as usual then?
Yeah, that's how politics works, you try to win the most so you have more power. What do you think is going to happen, you win one election and never have to win another?
Your claim is that there is no point since no legislation can be passed until the democrats control the Supreme Court - which is just a monumentally ignorant take.
If you want the legislation passed by Democrats to be interpreted as they wrote those laws, it's a plain fact. Look what happened to the Affordable Care Act.
Wow. You really the problem here.
Your sentence is missing a verb. I what the problem? I fucked the problem?
Learn English if you are going to troll.
Yeah, so why even try to codify Roe, right?!? First priority during the campaign turns into not a priority once elected with a super majority. Who cares!
2007-09 was a sleigh ride to hell, economically. And my job here isn't to defend how the Obama White House prioritized its business after being elected. My point is that they could pass a federal statute just like he promised, and it would have been overturned just like Roe V. Wade. If the Supreme Court can do one, it can just as easily do the other. The GOP controls over 20 states top to bottom. It's nothing for them to pass a law that contradicts that federal law (they have actually passed dozens that would contradict such a federal "codification"), challenge it in court, and get the Federalist Society controlled judges to strike down the federal law citing that it was an overreach by Congress.
Then you don't have any federal codification anyway and Obama just wasted his first year in office pissing up a rope while the financial system collapsed and America saw 10% unemployment.
Roe v Wade isn’t a law. It’s not the same.
If they in fact can overturn any law, why pass any really? Why even try when in power?
Roe v Wade was based on an interpretation of the constitution impacting a state law against abortion. When judges review both state and federal laws, and conflicts in laws between the states and federal government, they are also interpreting the constitution. Why try? Because you can restructure the Federal Bench. But it takes time. And to have time in power to do that, you need to win elections. But then you have silly people saying "but they didn't do it last time immediately!" to suppress turnout, which aggravates the problem of not having time in power because you lose. It's self sabotage. And it's actively encouraged by the corporate media for obvious reasons.
More like “they didn’t even attempt last time at all when they had a super majority.” The Democratic Party doesn’t need any help suppressing turnout.
And yet the GOP has guys who have spent 50 years studying how to ratfuck exactly that.
Exactly what? Dem turnout suppression? Or democrats not attempting to codify Roe?
Does your disillusionment go anywhere, or do you just bemoan forever that in the 7 months between Obama's inauguration to Ted Kennedy's death he didn't ignore skyrocketing unemployment long enough to do what he said he would 2 years earlier on the campaign trail before the crisis reached full boil?
And the GOP have guys to ratfuck it? I honestly have no idea what you meant there.
People who don't care about politics are always the most misinformed until the summer before a presidential election. It's the "it happened while he was president so it was his fault" mentality. Most don't understand why the president can't just decide the laws at their own will.
I'm afraid that is a portion of them. The others, share the same type of ideology that the far-right does in their opinion of how a President should work.
They are aware of how our system works. They are also against it. Because they want a President that breaks through the three branches of government and pressures the Legislative branch. Not negotiate, no, they want pressuring and force.
They're authoritarian, demagogue seekers though many don't realize it and think they're actually grassroots and just want someone who will push through what they, the (silent) majority good folk (those who agree with them and fit other criteria) want and that it's actually easy if just the right person is elected (and it just hasn't happened yet because previous leaders are bad and various conspiracies). They tend to rally behind political figures they see as less or anti-"establishment" and populist.
But don’t let Trump become president because he will decide the laws at his own will.
I might be wrong but I think Tulsi Gabbard blamed the invasion of Ukraine by Russia on Biden so there are some people out there who....and I will leave it right there..😕
We all know it started February 2022, nothing happened before that.
Jeanine Pirro on Fox News was blaming Joe Biden for the BLM riots which included a "courthouse being burnt to the ground," despite the fact that this event happened while Donald Trump was president.
They're morons. Don't jump on the blame train, not even when it's blaming Donald Trump. Do your research, be informed.
Probably because Roe was overturned while Biden was President.
But my more glib answer is because people are morons.
The timing is key to keep people confused on who did what. Gotta pay attention.
Because this is how they think
Deflection, nothing more.
This is what happens when you stop requiring people to take a civics class in high school. People who don't understand their government don't know how to identify problems with it, so they latch onto the loudest voice in the room.
I'd blame the person who was president at the time of appointment for the Justices that overturned it. Who was the president that appointed the 3 recent conservative Justices? IDK, Biden feels like the wrong answer to that question.
What do you all think?
Conservatives and progressives blame everything on Democrats. Republicans could literally vote to sacrifice babies to Satan, and some journalist would go out and interview MAGA hill folk and people who unironically identify as communist and both would tell you they are angry that Democrats voted to sacrifice babies to Satan.
You know democrats need progressives to win, right? Say this shit and get mad when they don’t vote for your candidate lol
Boy, I don't want to risk getting people mad or they might not vote for the person they keep saying they won't vote for anyway.
Hey, that’s a breath of fresh air. One, democrats don’t consider themselves progressives anymore, and two, they’ll shut the fuck up about voting for their candidate. Wish more were like you.
Trump repeated over and over again that he takes full credit for overturning Roe v Wade by installing 3 conservative U.S. Supreme Court justices. Anyone who blames Biden for overturning of roe is an absolutely idiot.
Same reason some people thought Obama caused the 2008 financial crisis. Because they are morons.
That is the power of troll farms and disinformation. The avalanche of anti Biden provocateurs is overwhelming right now.
They. Believe anything they hear.
I got banned off the seculartalk sub when I called out a poster (who turned out to be a mod) for writing an obviously fictional account of a back street abortion gone wrong in order to blame Biden.
The OP in that case was posing as an ER nurse, but said things that no medical practitioner would say and was clearly faking it.
Thing is, that’s been their persona for a looong time., but I’m convinced it’s absolutely fake.
The motivation? They’re a plant. A troll. A bad faith actor, and they’re helping to radicalize more people.
Because they are idiots
The right wing is deflecting blame because they feel a monumental shellacking coming on.
Don’t worry, democrats are taking care of that lead by genocide.
Idiots think the president is a king so if it happens during their reign it's their fault.
Because Americans are dumb. The majority of them don’t read the news or pay attention. They see some idiot commenting on social media and it aligns with what they want to believe so they believe it.
They’re the same people terrified by rainbows and Disney
It happened under Biden thus people blame Biden.
Mostly ignorance from common folk. People just blindly think anything that happens when a president is in office is to their credit or blame without understanding details. Most of the politicians are just being malicious and lying because they know it's effective. To be fair I can't think any actual politicians who have blamed Biden. Trump has openly taken credit for it after all.
Because they don’t have brains God gave the common dog.
Raw unadulterated stupidity.
Along with a terribly under funded education system.
They don’t understand how the government works
They like to say "well it happened under biden " which is an easy enough point to rebuttal
People wanted him to expand the Supreme Court in order to stack it with liberal justices. The fact he refused to do something with obviously dangerous precedents is why they blame him. Just ignore that it’s completely out of character for him to do something like that when he has always expressed the importance of precedent and continuity in government.
You think democrats need to play nice or gop won’t?
I’m sorry that simply throwing out the informal rules of how the U.S. government has run itself isn’t something I actually want to happen. GOP would abuse it way more than democrats would and that’s just how it would be.
Of course you do, the status quo works for you. Another centrist standing for nothing.
Sorry that I don’t believe in violating every rule for short term gain and possible long term disaster.
“Violating every rule” lol
Obviously it was RBGs fault for not stepping down back in 2008-2012.
Because tankies and fauxgressives self sabotage themselves on issues they claim to care about, and then blame everyone else but themselves in the future when these issues go south.
They’re no different than MAGA. A personality cult physically incapable of taking accountability
Because people are forgetting how the government works.
It turns out people are stupid
Because propaganda
He could have stacked the courts with new judges and balanced it
I mean, the only sitting president was Biden, and it couldn't have been the air, and I also lack object permanence, so uh, it's Bidens' fault
Cuz day r Stoopid
The reason I hate politics is because of people. 2016 was so important and so obvious too.
Some people wanted him to pack the court. It was a stupid idea.
He could have codified roe in the first term When he held everything.
The primary thinking was that he could have packed the court. Basically there is no set number of justices assigned to SCOTUS. In fact when it was first established they had six justices. Presidents have added justices over the years.
The theory was that the impending doom of Roe was sufficient cause to pack the courts by adding enough justices to push the balance back to the Dems favor. Of course this would have only been a stop gap measure and opened the conflict between the parties to an entirely new level. Likely precipitating a full blown constitutional crisis.
Some think that Biden opted out of packing the court because he wanted to use their destruction of Roe as a campaign issue. This is likely too cynical an idea.
The packing of the court was not a viable strategy though. Its not just a matter of the president tossing a few new justices in there. They have to pass legislation through both houses and there was no guarantee of all the Dems even voting for this. But people remain pissed because they considered the overturning of Roe as a nuclear level event politically warranting anything to stop it. And unfortunately it was a nuclear event and a sign of things to come. The loss of Roe opened a Pandora's box of trouble. We have not seen the end to the damage. But realistically there was nothing Biden could have done. McConnel played everyone for the last several decades. It was his tactics that overturned the court from a relatively balanced court to one heavily favoring the right.
Apparently they believe he shouldve retired from the Supreme Court before he died...oh wait
Same reason they blame Democrats for everything else..."They could have done something to stop the Republicans, but they didn't."
It's seriously bent logic.
Leftists blame Democrats (including Biden) for not codifying it sooner
They believe codifying Roe would’ve saved it.
It wouldn’t.
The conspiratorial among them believe the Democrats wanted this to happen to boost fundraising
Our schools do a miserable job of teaching how the government works. That's also how most MAGA talking points are able to spread.
Divide and conquer. Same as it ever was.
Democrats have had very small windows of time where they could have codified roe. They didn’t because it was politically risky. Biden is a true old school democrat so he is taking the blame even though he was only part of the problem. He never had a chance to codify roe in his presidency. But there must be blood.
I literally had to explain how the supreme court works to ppl. Well it got overturned when he was president???? Lord
Because they have the brains god gave geese
Many people don't understand the limitations on the power of the president.
These items limit the power of the president:
US Constitution
Laws passed and signed into the law by past presidents.
Federal Court decisions
Supreme Court Decisions
House of Representatives
Senate
Finally here's the President signing or vetoing laws. Leading the Executive branch.
Yes, there much more detail to this, but you get the idea.
A few people (supposedly democrats) Ive seen blame biden for not codifying roe not realizing that the republicans can just fillibuster the shit out of it. Essentially they are complaining that biden didnt take the time to make steps towards solidifying roe even though it wasnt gonna go anywhere and just take up time away from other things. As for republicans, a few others have said it, that it was done during joes presidency, just like they wont take trumps vaccine because joe biden is president.
The power of weaponization of stupidity is terrifying.
Republicans don’t want to be blamed for it obviously so they will spin it however they can. I’m sure Fox News tells them somehow it’s Biden’s fault that Trump nominated three Supreme Court justices that overturned Roe.
Because lots of people are idiots.
Because those people cannot process history to the present, and they lack awareness of the conservative Republican agenda.
That said if there was blame to be shared in recent dem admins it would be Obama for not enshrining Roe when he had a super majority.
Instead he did what every admin does, used it as a political boogeyman.
It’s true the republicans are the dog that caught the car, but dems were the driver that let it get caught.
A bunch of dumb asses that don’t know how government works.
I haven’t seen that at all
In fact, as someone that’s chronically online, this is the first time
They don't actually believe what they say they believe.
Misinformation
Stupidity doesn't discriminate.
Right wing media
Because the MAGA base level of intelligence is less than a monkey.... And even saying that is an insult to monkeys... Probably more like a house fly....
Part of me blames democrats in general. We failed to protest and demand justice when Obama had a Supreme Court appointment stolen from him. I definitely don't blame Biden though, that's Russian Bot talk bullshit
This is the first I’ve heard of this. Skeptical this is an honest post, perhaps someone attempting to divert attention away from the facts, muddying the waters.
Trump and Republicans wanted, sought, got and own the abolishment of abortion in the United States, women and girls fleeing their states to have abortions, 26,000 women and girls in Texas, alone, who are, or have, carried pregnancies which are the result of rape, since the MAGA majority of the Supreme Court overturned Roe veesus Wade.
No, I don’t buy the premise of this OP. There is no equivocating, or confusion, about who is responsible for the attack on the rights of women in America. Republicans have worked for more than forty years to overturn Roe versus Wade. They imposed their religious views on Americans, and they have plans to intrude much further into American’s lives, in the name of Christianity.
Republicans, rather than repudiating the January 6 Insurrection, have doubled-down over and over on the Big Lie in the three years since. They call the convicted insurrectionist fools, “hostages”. Trump has said he will “consider pardoning” them.
Republicans are perpetuating January 6. They want to finish the job, and commence authoritarianism in the United States. Among other things, Republicans will pass a national ban on abortion if they can win enough elected offices.
Flood the polls. Overwhelm, in numbers, the numbers of MAGA Americans, voting. Give somebody a ride. VOTE, and keep-on voting.
Defeat these motherfuckers.
For the same reason they blame the invasion of Ukraine on Biden rather than Putin, the guy who actually did it.
Biden has zero blame for Scotus overturning R v W.
However, over the decades there have been times when the Democrats have had the ability to pass a federal abortion law and didn't partly because of political cowardice and cynical electoral reasons.
I do think one of the reasons Democrats never passed a federal law because they knew they'd benefit massively electorally if a Republican Scotus ever overturned RvW and when it was overturned they did...
I do think history will look dimly upon RBG for not steeping down when she was diagnosed and I think Scotus should have 10 year term limits and an age limit like Canadas scotus.
Biden isn't to blame but whenever the Dems next win Congress, Senate and the White House if the first thing they pass isn't a federal abortion law, the dems will 100% be as culpable as Scotus on crimalalizing women's bodies.
Some people are stupid.
They’re so dumb, they should have been aborted
MAGA blames Biden for everything. It's what Rush Limbaugh taught them what to think. "If you don't like it, blame a liberal for it". It's true, but how dumb is that?? "I LOVE the uneducated." - the Mango Menace
I think the pandemic showed that a good of the country is really stupid.
Can someone explain how republicans made the over turn work even though it was under Biden?? My family member keeps telling me it’s Biden’s fault and I know damn well it isn’t. I’m not fully educated on how the whole process works so any explanation is helpful to further my argument to them Lol
They should be blaming the democrats as a whole for playing chicken with women's rights. Don't get mad at the GOP for doing what they ran on.
Except all three justices testified that Roe was established law and had no intention of overturning it.
Lol, so the dems are gullible idiots? Fucking suckers? Why should such incompetence receive a vote? The only answer is because the other side is evil manifest.
Do you not understand how SCOTUS works
Probably because the democrats have been promising to codify roe v wade for more than 50 years now.
And joe Biden made it a huge part of his campaign to promise that if voters gave Dems the house and senate he would codify roe v wade.
And so did Obama
And of course they have yet to deliver.
So if your politician opponent has been saying for 50 years “we will get rid of roe v wade.” And your party has said “our opponents want to get rid of roe v wade but we want to codify it” and your opponent does exactly as they promised but you keep failing to deliver on your promise then people are going rightly start blaming you.
If a Democratic House, Senate, and White House could find a Congressional majority large enough to bypass the filibuster and sign Roe into law, what would stop Republicans from undoing it in the next election?
Other than 80% of the American public wanting abortion rights protected?
You’re convinced that’s somehow stopping Republicans? Trump is actively campaigning on having overturned Roe. This motivates their turnout.
This is the right answer. They played with women's rights and lost. It's all on them. The GOP has wanted this since time immemorial.
He WAS part of the administration that lost us the Court, but Democrats in general have preferred to fear monger about Roe to get votes instead of actually doing anything to shore up women's abortion rights.
If Democrats had worked as hard to protect women's rights as Republicans have worked to take them away, women would have a constitutional right to abortion. We have two choices, vote for stupid and evil or vote for naive and impotent.
What do you mean “instead of actually doing anything”? Did they not do anything in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Kansas, and Arizona? Do you understand how laws work at the federal level?
Yeah, I actually do. You win elections, and then you pass laws, ostensibly, to benefit your constituents. 50 years ago SCOTUS ruled on Roe v. Wade, and the Democrats in Congrass have done nothing to give women easier or better guaranteed access to abortion since. In 1980 the Republicans passed the Hyde Amendment; Democrats have done since to repeal it. In 2022 they dropped the ball completely for women with Dobbs v. Jackson, but they had abandoned poor women in 1980.
I don't want to argue with you. I've just stated fact. We should have a constitutional amendment at this point guaranteeing women reproductive rights and the government should pay for any woman to have an abortion. That's where we should be. Instead, we're where we are.
How are Democrats responsible for a 6-3 conservative court ruling? Just like gay marriage, it took awhile for abortion rights to be popular with nearly all Democrats. We only recently got to that point but we are a long ways away from having a super majority in the senate or overtaking the conservative majority in the Supreme Court. We only have one long term solution and that’s to vote blue up and down the ticket.
How is a football team responsible for the other team scoring on them? They let it happen.
Abortion rights have been "popular" since the before Roe v. Wade passed in the 1970s. Women, the only people who matter in this case, have almost universally supported reporductive rights since it became an issue.
Why don't we have a super majority in the Senate? Who's fault is it that we don't have a super majority? Progressive policies have broad support all over the country. Even most conservative women of child bearing age support reproductive rights. Who has not been able to sell country on their agenda? It's not my fault we don't have a super majority. It's not your fault we don't have a super majority. It's the Democratic Party infrastructure and the Democratic politicians to blame.
President Obama and Joe Biden sat in office and watched as Mitch McConnell stole the seat that Neil Gorsuch has now. And before you answer and say, "wHAt cOuLd THeY haVe duhh-UUhn?" I don't know. It's not my job to know. I know emphatically that if the situation had been reversed, they wouldn't have gotten away with doing that to Mitch McConnell. He'd have found a way to fight back because the Republcians are evil ,but they're effective at being evil.
Yes, we need to "vote blue," but then we need to call those emeffers out every single time that they take their eyes off the ball. How many votes is Biden winning with this nonsense in Isreal-Palestine? How many American voters can even find the Ukraine on a map? We need to vote blue, and then we need to hold their feet to the fire every. single. day. They shouldn't do anything that doesn't get them votes and/or improve the lives of every day Americans, the bottom 80%. That's how they get a "super majority."
100%
Because democrats have proven they prefer to use it as donation and campaign motivation.
It’s not just Biden’s fault, though he didn’t even consider adding SCOTUS seats. Dems play 4d chess when republicans have flipped the board and are burning down the entire house.
Biden has been heavily involved in politics for a long long time. He was Vice President when the Dems had a super majority when they could have codified roe.
Failure to codify Roe is a failure from Dems in leadership when they had a chance. It’s not just Biden. Lots of people are at fault too.
The bigger current issue is that Biden is unwilling to really go all out to codify abortion rights.
Biden is unwilling to expand the Supreme Court or end the senate filibuster.
In 2024 there are 34 senate races. Democrats (or independents) hold 23 of those seats. That means, without ending the senate filibuster, in order to codify Roe dems need to win almost every senate election to gain the 60 votes needed. That means winning states like Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, Alabama, and Idaho.
It’s just not gonna happen.
not fulfilling his promise of adding new members to the supreme court...
Same reason people claim it's not his fault people are suffering under him. Can he do something? Apparently. Will he? Probably not until it benefits him.
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