Could Superman do this or would Lightsaber blades be considered magic (being powered by Kyber Crystals and all) and therefore be able to damage him?
Lantern rings are a super smart comparison to make here, great call
I was just on the fence but this swayed me, and so succinct! Lightsabers are likely akin to really hot hardlight constructs
Edit: just for clarity I was more on the fence whether he could grab it or it’d just pass through his hand, but now betting he could grab it
It's my understanding that a lightsaber is merely a device that can be picked up and wielded by anyone. The science behind it is considered canonical in-universe. However, the whole ritual of a force user bonding with a kyber crystal is different though I'm unsure if it falls under the heading of "magic." My $.02 🙂
I’d say the first bit answers your question, it’s more a scientific (fantasy) device than it is magic
Is Superman allergic to midi-chlorians?
Magic users wield it but it isn’t magic, eh?
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Yee, ‘cause non-magic people can operate it too
(Not as well, but they can turn it on and off)
Yeah that’s more than fair. It’s better with force sensitives but grievous can use them so.
Not arguing to be clear, it’s just an interesting distinction.
the force likely helps make sure you keep everything attached while wielding it though.
Absolutely. It's a miracle Finn didn't cut off his own arm in episode 7. But the main reason I don't believe a lightsaber is magic is because we've seen it take considerable time and effort for one to cut through a blast shield, and non-magical elements (beskar, cortosis) appear to be extremely resistant to, and disruptive of, lightsaber attacks. Near as I can tell, there is no canonical reference to these elements possessing anti-magic properties like garlic or a wooden stake would for a vampire.
oh for sure, lightsabers are pure tech
I'm 50/50 on it.
On the one hand, the main component of the lightsaber is the Kyber Crystal, which uses the force (a mystical power) to help focus and amplify the energy from the power cell. So one could say it only functions effectively due to "magic."
On the other hand, a Kyber Crystal is a naturally occurring mineral that, to my knowledge, you don't need to be a force user to mine. So, the Kyber Crystal could just be seen as a highly-specialized component of a lightsaber.
This might be one of those, "it depends on the Universe" type of situations.
honestly kyber crystals are scientific in that they're magical in a way that we* (*we as in the star wars people) used to not understand how they did their thing but now do?
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that at it's core the Force is even scientific. Those aligned with the same ideology as the Jedi even see the Force as a form of energy created by living beings. They just don't have the information needed or just prefer not to waste the effort in looking further into how the Force energy is specifically created.
As a kid, I didn't know why non force users didn't just use lightsabers.
It also didn't make sense to me that "light" could be condensed into a "solid"
So my head canon made it so Jedi/Sith must be compressing the laser into a blade shape using the force.
You might be interested in some behind the scenes history of Star Wars then.
Original concept art had lots of characters using lightsabers and shields. The weapons were supposed to be more common, used by even regular soldiers.
I believe one of the main reasons for the change was the real world limitations of trying to have that many on screen with the limits of special effects.
Here's a picture of action figures based on the art, including a stormtrooper with a saber and shield:
Neat!
If it through his hands, it can’t stab or slice him.
We’ll just see how Vader does in a punching competition.
Superman could probably (definitely can) tank a Death Star blast, full reactor ignition. He could tank Starkiller base, he’s just as OP to Star Wars as Star Wars is to Star Trek.
he’s just as OP to Star Wars as Star Wars is to Star Trek.
What? Spock could just gather up red matter and kill Anakin as a baby.
But even back in The Next Generation they were able to send stars into supernova (just to study it) and other stuff beyond just planets.
Their warp drive wake was destroying part of some solar system or something too.
Nexus can also BFR about any Star Wars character alone.
And don't forget the Q...
What about something like nightsister magic? It’s all based in the force, but it’s really hard to designate what is or isn’t magic in a whole nother universe
People have this misconception that Magic is a weakness for Superman. It really isn’t exactly, depending on the circumstances. Magic isn’t like krypronite where it weakens and poisons him overtime. Maybe a bewitched or spellbound sword might be able to penetrate his skin, but he’s still fast enough to dodge the swings, and it wouldn’t be immune to his heat vision. Also, just because a wizard can emit fire from a wand doesn’t make it all that different than regular fire, which has zero effect on Superman. So honestly, I don’t think the nightsisters, or anyone in the Star Wars franchise stands much of a chance against Superman.
I appreciate seeing someone else say this. I've pointed it out before and found myself having to defend the take.
Magic is a force that Kryptonian's are vulnerable to, but no more than humans. Kryptonite hurts, poisons and can kill them, a weakness.
Vulnerable does not equal Weakness, they are two different things.
The Force is a specific thing in the Star Wars universe which can be used in a variety of ways. Mind Tricks or other mental abilities could potentially work on some versions of Superman but I'd argue a Superman practiced in Torqasm-Vo and Torqasm-Rao would be immune or resistant to such things. Actually, might not even need to go that far, Superman's base will would probably put him in the ranks of those immune to Mind Tricks.
Now, I could see a possibility of a Dark Side user having some potent gift or natural talent that let's them somehow hurt Superman, but I don't see them winning a prolonged fight.
In What Ifs like these, I find it prudent to also consider how Superman could act in a universe with the Force. He's super intelligent, clever and strong of will. He could quickly discern the nature of the Force and would likely align very well with the Light Side.
I mean it’s all fiction, so anything can happen, but I can’t imagine Superman being susceptible to Jedi mind tricks, simply because it’s said they only work on the “weak minded”. Clark definitely doesn’t fall into that category. He was never to type to fall under telepathy either.
Telekinesis doesn’t usually control Superman either. It throws him off course maybe, but he always powers through it. Vader or whoever could probably hurl some space junk or ships at him to slow him down, but that’s about it.
Sith lightning may sting him, but it won’t kill him. Superman media has made it very clear that Superman is invulnerable to electricity.
I feel the same about lightsabers. Maybe it can burn him a bit and feel the same amount of pain or resistance as he would from a laser gun, but I don’t think saber jabs would mortal wound him.
I just don’t feel Superman, or literally any other outside property meshes well with Star Wars. Star Wars just is.
You can be vulnerable to getting stung by a bee.
It's not a weakness unless your allergic.
Superman is vulnerable to magic, not allergic to it.
This is why he still tanks magic attacks and keeps going.
Easily one of my biggest Superman pet peeves.
A magical sword enchanted to cut through anything will cut through Superman because Superman falls under the category of "anything."
A magical fire enchanted to burn anything will burn Superman because Superman falls under the category of "anything."
But a magical sword enchanted to also be lit with fire... that isn't going to do jack shit against superman because, at the end of the day, it's just a piece of metal that's on fire. Neither of which are a danger to Superman.
Even if the source of the fire is magic, it still needs to have qualities beyond that of ordinary fire in order to burn Superman.
And even if the metal sword is enchanted, it still needs to be enchanted with properties beyond ordinary metal in order to cut Superman.
If a magic sword couldn't cut through Batman's armor, it's not going to hurt Superman just because "it's magic." Magic or not, it still needs to be able to do the job.
Thank you. Most discussions about Superman seem to be based around a pop culture composite meme of Superman rather than a character with any particular stories or defined experiences with magic.
Like someone said in Young Justice, "Magic" is just some sort of in-universe force we don't understand by science yet
And Wally was neither wholly right or wrong in that statement. Magic can be understood sometimes, but there are also times it can't be.
There are entities and forces beyond the universe itself that aren't understandable in the Young Justice universe (and DC proper) that don't follow rules. Most notably the Lords of Chaos, like Klarion. They can be bound by rules and agreements by their counterparts, the Lords of Order (like Dr. Fate), but in their own realm they aren't bound to logic, reason or understanding.
Magic in DC is also generally considered to be very dangerous, even to experienced practitioners. Even when it's possible to understand it, in truth it's incredibly hard to fathom and there are far more nefarious players in that realm than heroes.
Similarly, Nightsister Magick is just The Force being utilized in a way the Jedi and Sith are not trained or educated in.
Superman is vulnerable to Magic , which The Force pretty much is.
That been said , it's not like Superman lacks his superpowers , and the lightsaber is strictly a machine with a crystal on it to make a laser sword , so it's doubtful if the lightsaber itself is magical.
Well, new canon has the Khybar Crystals as some semi-sentient manifestation of the Force, so it's not wholly mechanical. Lightsabers are fueled by the Force.
Still, I see Superman as capable of grappling the beam. I concur with the take that it's similar enough to a Lantern construct.
Superman has taken hits from way worse than lightsabers. Him grabbing the lightsaber is him being patient with Vader before turning him upside down and flying him to space jail.
But he’s a government official, what prison would take him in?
If Clark deemed him dangerous enough he’d kick Vader to the Phantom Zone.
He flies Vader straight to Palpatine's Thrown room on the Death Star and politely asks the Emperor to kindly restrain his apprentice next time.
Oa
Gee idk the rebel alliance
you mean The New Republic?
because they formed after Vader died
You think the rebels didn’t have a prison?
Prisons? Yes. Prisons that can hold Vader? Unlikely.
True
"hey batman do you a have a prison that can hold asthmatic cyborg space wizards?"
turns chair "i thought you'd never ask"
He puts Vader in the Source Wall like he did Darkseid.
Wouldn’t the Force be more what Clark would have to worry about? I don’t think a lightsaber would hurt him but Vader’s strongest weapon is his mastery of the Dark Side.
Isn’t a saber light of energy anyway? It’s no diff for Supes
as a sidenote I can easily imagine a recreation of the scene of him punching a laser from the first Fleischer short but with the Death Star
Ngl the mental image of that goes hard. Alderan is saved.
Until Darth Darkseid shows up.
if Thanos can learn to throw Hadoukens in his crossover, Darkseid can join the Sith
Darthseid~
Would be cool to see omega beams with force lightening cracking around them!
The Imaginary Axis actually made a video recently about this https://youtu.be/jyPyna6OdXg?si=BrTtSfexDknfhnVD
The Imaginary Axis has some of the best comic book videos
Was just coming in to post this.
Beat me to it.
I subscribed. It was a good video!
(Reminds me of the game theory guy, but his voice is less annoying.)
In what way would they be "magic?"
Khyber Crystals have been written to be coalesced Force, semi-sentient in a way. The crystals have been shown to select Padawans, not the other way around.
So there is some Force present in all Lightsabers. Which is relevant to the discussion. If the Force is 'magic', then so are Lightsabers.
The force is explicitly NOT magic. Magic exists in Star Wars and is treated differently to the force
It's connection to the Force and its user.
Getting downvoted by people who don't know about Star Wars. Kyber crystals are similar to wands in Harry Potter, they choose the user by calling out to them through the Force. Their color also depends on the users personality.
It's connection comes from the energy of the crystal, so it is energy/science not magic.
That energy is at least partly Force.
Khybar Crystals are semi-sentient things made of coalesced Force. They have been shown to choose the Padawan who will use them for new Lightsabers.
So I'd argue it's at least partly The Force/Magic.
Then wouldnt it be just as magical as star fire’s energy blasts?
Is Starfire's energy considered magical in DC? My understanding is that her powers are similar to Superman's, charged by solar energy.
It isnt. But the point is that force is just as magic as it is with star fire’s abilities. They’re simply super powers that comes with one’s biology/ biology of the universe. Based on what I can see of Zatana, Constatine, Shazam, or that one magic, three headed, goddess lady (i think hectate), i cant see how the force could be considered magic based on how DC seem to define it
Obviously we're discussing two separate universes with their own distinct rules, but I say it's far more accurate to call the Force a form of magic than energy blasts or superpowers of superheroes.
The difference lies in how they are perceived in each universe.
The Force is spoken of as a type of mysticism. The term Witch is used in universe for some Force users. There's belief, a spiritual element, invoked when 'communing' with the Force. Meditation and affinity are required, though all living things can train to become closer to the Force.
Superpowers, like Starfire's energy blasts, are part of her Tamaranian biology. For others, like Flash, a result of a scientific experiment. For magic users like Zatanna, they must train and hone their skill. Also, anyone in DC can technically learn some form of magic if they pursue it.
I think that makes the Force even more like magic. It can be trained and tapped into by anyone, and some have more natural talent or affinity than others, like Anakin and Yoda.
Untrue, Kyber crystals are deeply connected to the Force and its wielder. Their colour is dependent on the wielders personality and they are in a way sentient as they choose the user and reach out to them through the Force.
We have seen non force users wield a lightsaber.
I know that but the colour of a kyber crystal comes from the wielder and their personality. A red crystal is bled that colour by dark-siders who push all of their negative emotions into it, while a blue crystal comes from a wielder who displays the Force more physically and a green crystal means a user is more meditative and in-tune with the Force. A purple crystal is for a user who uses the dark side but doesn't submit to it.
Kyber crystals have a connection to their wielder, they call out through the Force to padawans when they travel to Ilum to receive their crystal and choose who will wield them. If you aren't Force sensitive it's just a tool like when Han used Lukes saber to slice open the Tauntaun.
Upvoted you because I think folks here don't know that Khyber Crystals themselves are Force sensitive, so lightsabers by default have some aspect of the Force built in.
I would love to see a Star War where the first Force sensitive users use raw Kyber Crystals and meditation to form weapons made of the Force.
The idea of the Light Saber as the mechanization of warfare like the Machine Gun to the first guns.
A variation of that could be interesting. However Lightsabers, as I understand them, aren't a weapon first, they're a tool. The Force is about balance, so mass produced Jedi weapons don't seem like a default story idea to me. (The Sith however have mass produced crappy ones in some older stories. Now, they specifically 'bleed' the crystal of Jedi, turning them red.)
Now if you're interested, another part of new Star Wars canon is that the Emperor mined out the entirety of the planet Ilum, the source of most Khyber Crystals in the galaxy, and used them to power the Death Star's laser. And the second one.
So, a Sith took the sacred crystals of the Jedi Order and created one of the greatest weapons of mass destruction with them.
Also, Starkiller Base in Episode VII was the remnants of the planet Ilum. Not mentioned in the movies, but yeah, that planet is gone now. (Also, the First Order used Khyber Crystals for the Turbo laser guns on their capital ships, more corruption of their purpose)
Ooh, thanks for sharing. That’s a cool factoid. Light sabers as a limited weapon of war is a cool idea.
But the lightsaber itself is just a machine with a crystal in it. There's nothing magic about it.
I don't think he'd be weak to the Force since it's not traditional magic like they have in DC.
It wouldn’t damage him
It all depends on which version of Superman and which version of the lightsaber. If we are going Post-Crisis/Rebirth Superman, then IIRC he has what is essentially an energy field close to his body that is how he gets his invulnerability. Which would mean that unless the lightsaber is magic (which in the versions of STW I am familiar with, it is not magic) then he should be able to grab/deflect it.
Silver Age Superman no contest, doesn't matter who the force user is, if the lightsaber is magic or not, he hoses them.
Golden Age Superman might lose some fingers this way.
Superman has a 1000 damage reduction shield, magic can ignore that shield, but you still need to deal with his 1, 000, 000, 000, 000... Hp bar and insane hp regeneration rate. That's my understanding of superman, and if so, it doesn't matter if light saber is magic or not.
Yea it's how I've seen it, magic gets past his AC but there's still a ton of health to deal with
I mean Kyber Krystals aren’t magic in the DC sense. They are Force objects, DC equivalent of Force would propably be the Emotional Specturum and Superman has no problem dealing with Lanterns so he should be able to grab a lightsaber
It's not like lightsabers cut through any material instantly, they're not shardblades. If you watch The Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon is cutting through the door, it still takes awhile. So yeah, Superman could probably hold a lightsaber.
They technically don't cut at all, they melt.
Superman would punch the lights out of that saber.
It would be entertaining to watch the Big Blue Boy Scout smash his way through Imperial forces. Then he'd slap the Emperor hard enough to spin his head around.
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If Supes can fly into a sun. Light sabers arent gonna do shit.
He can fly into the surface layers of the sun, but lightsaber blades are much hotter than those.
Imagine if a Sith took a Kyber crystal and a Kryptonian Crystal or even a Kryptonite fragment and put them both into a lightsaber build, now we might be talking damage or death.
A Kryptonite Kyber crystal would certainly sour Superman's day.
Maybe I'm not up on the most recent understanding of the Force, but I don't think it's considered magic in the Star Wars universe, either Legends or Canon.
The Force is a natural phenomenon, which George Lucas probably based on quantum field theory, which posited that what we perceive as subatomic particles is excitations of the fundamental quantum fields. Lucas played with the idea that proper training enables the perception and control of the fundamental energy field that not only connects but ultimately is all material reality.
Hippie stuff.
Lucas then introduced the midichlorian silliness to further explain why some individuals find it easier to connect with the Force, but making these microscopic, subcellular critters key to the workings of the Force only put it more solidly in the realm of a natural phenomenon, not magic.
So Superman can grab a lightsaber beam and could easily kick the ass of Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, or any other Star Wars force-powered baddie.
There is no stretch of the imagination where magic exists in the Star Wars universe. If superman existed there, the empire would be instantly toast.
Lightsaber blades aren't considered magic at cannonly unless they've been changed. Kyber crystals are basically batteries for the light sabers. So no, a standard lightsaber would not hurt superman
That’s perfect
There’s nothing magic about how sabers work.
Superman could easily do this without it costing him anything
Nah this is easily in Superman's ballpark
Superman is weak to magic but vulnerable, so attack that dosen't effect him normally wouldn't if it was Magical (that way he beat black adam for example), superman can take heat he flow through red star before so he can touch lightsaber.
a youtuber just did a whole video about this. it will not even be able to touch him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPyna6OdXg
Posts on this sub told me Superman isn't weak to magic.
I think Superman just doesn't have any resistance to magic, so magic affects him like it affects a normal person, but he's not weak to magic.
I heard he was just vulnerable to magic, not necessarily weak to it but again, just what i heard.
Everyone is weak to Magic
Even Magic is weak to Magic
well it's not like Kryptonite or anything, but he is vulnerable to it in the same way us humans are vulnerable to metal
Oh btw, I don't know if the polarity of the Force matters in your question. Superman's aura has got to be pretty far to the Light Side, just maybe not attuned to it. Vader is obviously Dark but not at Palpatine levels of Dark, so Vader may not be able to overcome Supe's inert Light aura for the Force to matter.
Edit: Oh wait, forgot Mitochlorians exist. Sigh Nevermind everything I said.
The Imaginary Axis did a pretty good video about this and he concluded that, no, lightsabers wouldn't be able to cut Superman.
Here's the link to his video to find out why.
The force isnt magic. In star wars there is magic but the force isn't part of that so no
The force is more like telepathy and telekinesis isn't it? It might effect Superman but he would probably easily be able to overpower most force users, his mind is too well guarded and his body is too powerful to be easily manipulated.
This pic is hilarious because what is Vader's next move? Bro is cooked.
Just gotta imagine underneath that mask Anakin is going "oh shit".
I sort of like the idea that it doesn’t cut through him like butter, but it can hurt him. It’s painful. Enough that he’s going to want to try to avoid getting hit by it.
I mean, the important thing is that we would want an interesting fight, right?
Is the force considered magic. Could Vader force choke Superman
Theoretically, yes.
But it wouldn't be like force choking an under-performing middle manager.
It would be like trying to compress the Death Star down into the size of a beach ball.
A lightsaber would probably burn or sting him a little bit, but it wouldn’t mortally wound him. Superman vs any sith or Jedi wouldn’t be a fair fight anyway. The force is cool and all, but it’s totally useless compared to how immeasurably strong and durable Superman is.
He’s not vulnerable to Magic, he’s just not any more resistant to it than anyone else. So he’s not immune to the lightsaber per-se, it just still doesn’t get hot enough to hurt him.
Magic. Just like the Force powers.
There's no darkseid in the world that would save Darth from the Kansas Farmboy.
Supe's is fast so it doesn't matter no force user would be quick enough to hit him. If he let Darth see him it would be because he wanted it.
I think in-universe it’s supposed to be some kind of plasma beam, so it’s not magic. I think it could harm Superman slightly or if a Sith really stabbed him deeply, but not enough to kill him, and Clark could theoretically power through the pain and destroy the lightsaber.
The only reason it's a weapon for the Jedi is their preternatural senses let them be aware of where the blade is at all times. You have a laser sword that all directions is it's plane of cutting. Superman would be as resistant to it as he would be any other energy weapon. I'd actually posit that force powers might not affect him as strongly as magic. It's not 'magic' so much as it's a force of reality being channeled by psychics.
The Force is more cosmic energy/power than magic. Think Green Lantern's ring.
Force is science probably with midichlorians imvolved. Like it's biologically in universes whereas magic is more extra planer
If a lightsaber blade is plasma, would a Sith lightsaber have the same effects as “red sun energy?”
Hmmm!
Kal absolutely could do this, the blades are just plasma, the kyber crystals can be attuned to the Force or are naturally attuned to it, but have no extra supernatural abilities unless imprinted on by a Sith or Jedi, maybe only the first light sabers which were completely powered by Darkside energy with the crystal as a focus, modern sabers are far more sci fi than mythical, he could hold or catch a light saber bare handed the same as if Clark was shot with a blaster bolt it would deflect right off
Lightsabers generate their own energy field which is why they don’t pass through each other. Superman generates an energy field which is why he can lift plans and not go through them. Basically, they would react to each other like magnets so in theory yes.
I choose to accept that Superman can canonically hold a lightsaber blade because of how hard this picture goes.
The blade is a plasma stream contained in a magnetic loop. The Kyber crystal is a focusing element, and allows the user to better sense and use the blade.
I would say the Kyber crystal enhances the users attunement to the saber, it does not impart Force abilities to the sabre. Therefore Superman could in theory grasp a lightsaber.
Others have wondered if a red saber would have similar effects to a red sun. I don’t think so because that’s a radiation thing, and lightsabers don’t emit radiation.
Now MY question is this… what if you used a piece of Kryptonite as the focusing crystal. Would THAT change the equation?
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Supes hasn't been 'weak' to magic for years now. He's tanked a magic blast that able to destroy creation. A Lil lightsaber toothpick isn't gonna do anything.
He should be able to, the lightsaber is not a weapon driven by magic… even if in a more science-fantasy leaning universe.
the only thing the kyber does is contain the plasma in the shape of a blade
I'd say that version of Superman could!
First of all, there is a huge question of whether or not the Force is magic and if a lightsaber is a magic blade. But for the sake of argument, let’s say that it is.
Superman does not have a weakness against magic. He just does;t have a resistance to it. Those are two very different things. Basically a magic item or spell affects Superman the same as it would for anyone else. Think of four magic swords:
The first sword is enchanted to always strike the target. It would successfully strike Superman, but it would bounce off, as a sword can’t hurt him.
The second sword is enchanted to always cut its target. The sword would cut Superman if it hit him, because he has no resistance to being cut by it. He cold still dodge it.
The third sword is enchanted to always be as sharp as the sharpest razor. The sword would do nothing to Superman because even the sharpest razor can’t cut him.
The fourth sword is always surrounded by flames of 5000 degrees. The sword would do nothing to Superman because fire doesn’t hurt him.
I’d put a lightsaber into the final category. It is shown as being hot and able to cut through most materials, but some things resist it so it is clearly not “cut anything”. A lightsaber would bounce off of Kal.
If it's drawn by Alex Ross, I see no impossibility.
The question is, can Vader do anything before Supes moves in super speed and freezes him in place with his super breath? At least if the films are any reference, force powers take a few seconds to "cast". Clark is, like, faster.
No. The Imaginary Axis covered this. Tyler knows more than most people have forgotten. His videos and research are impecable.
They asemble the sabers with the force/magic and the crystals are, varying based on source, loosely connected to said magic. Unless a generic "enchanted" weapon could bleed super, I think he is safe there. I do think it's fair to say that the force itself could give him trouble, as it's just magic.
Mind tricks, and force electricity actually being painful/a real attack against Supes are the most fair force powers to use against him. Battle meditation would also be cool, but that's just the nature of the ability as it makes any conflict a lot more than just "who can beat up who".
For people saying he cant be affected, he has been hurt by 'blaster fire' before so i see no reason a lightsaber would be different.
Superman isn’t weak to magic he just doesn’t have any special resistances to them he has fought Shazam which is a magic user
So no it wouldn’t damage him
Imaginary axis
I saw a whole breakdown on this. and the conclusion was this is basically exactly what would happen do to how lightsabers work and superman's bioelectric aura
It will definitely damage him and eventually cut through him if he just let's them wail on him. Supes has never been invincible, and it's not going to start now, lol.
Better question. Could superman survive being shot by the death star?
probably not honestly (Magic question aside) but it would be fun to see him saving Alderaan or Jeddah by recreating the scene from the first Fleischer short of him punching a death ray laser
Well he wouldn't be able to hold it, but it wouldn't damage him either
I'm just imagining Anakin's face under his mask 🤣
Someone made a YouTube video arguing that a lightsaber would actually add to Superman’s power.
A more fun way to argue would be what if lightsabers gave off solar radiation (in which case would red lightsabers be the equivalent of a red sun..). Then to even it out he would need a yellow lightsaber.
Hm, that is how Superman vs Alien kinda played out actually. Dwindling solar reserves etc.
Superman isn’t hurt by magic he’s only vulnerable a bit
you realize that doesn't negate my point right?
Superman can definitely do this. Lightsabers are straight technology. It’s an energy weapon and Superman isn’t weak against energy attacks. Unless it’s red sun or kryptonite based, which kyber crystals aren’t.
What type of star are they near in the galaxy far far away? That matters a lot. If yellow, then I say no because a light saber couldn't instantly melt blast doors; that took time, so I think Superman would be fine.
It's hard to beat superman cause he is like a 100yearq old character some of his feats don't even make sense
I don't want to shit on Vader here. He's the big bad of Star Wars and has been for decades.
But Big Blue absolutely mops the floor with him. Vader has *never* seen anything remotely comparable to Superman.
Are lightsabers solid?
I thought they were super-heated gas or something?
I don't know if the blades technically are solid, but they behave like one
and they do have weight to them, because of they didn't then you wouldn't have to use it like a real sword
plus if the didn't behave like a solid the blades would just pass through eachother
It’s a plasma beam, and the sun is made of plasma. So he’d probably lick his lips
now I need something of him eating lasers like pacman
Kyber crystals don’t rely on magic
The lightsaber wouldn’t harm Clark. BUT the force would
I feel like Vader would probably destroyed physically unless he was able to get some kryptonite.
I think it would be cool if there ever was a crossover, that it was explained as Kyber Crystals are formed with the same chemical composition as Kryptonite. This would make a fight between Vader and Superman much more fair.
He might be able to grab the blade, if his bioelectric field interacts with the magnetic field of the lightsaber that way. More likely vader would try to slash him and it would just pass over him without doing any damage.
Also it doesn't really matter whether or not the force is magic. The lightsaber does damage by spraying really hot plasma on the target. The force is the means by which that plasma is generated, but it is still normal plasma.
Superman can be hurt by very high temperatures, so it would depend on how hot the plasma is and the exposure period.
Here is Tyler from The Imaginary Axis YouTube channel explaining why it won't even be able to touch him and why he would be invulnerable to it anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPyna6OdXg
I mean, if it’s magic, and it cuts normal people, it’ll cut him. Magic affects him the same way it would a regular person. There’s no specific ability he has to counteract it same as Wonder Woman or Batman
Lightsabers aren't magic. They are Sci fi. So Supes isn't going to be phased
Force lightning would damage him. And he likely wouldnt be able to break free fron a strong enough force grip.
I think it depeds...
I think you could certainly make the case that the force is a form of magic. Kyber crystals are 'living', in a sense, and connected to the force. So, if a lightsaber uses a living kyber crystal, it could be argued that it could damage Superman.
However... not all lightsabers use kyber crystals. There are synthetic crystals that can be used in lightsabers as well. Synthetic crystals have no connection to the force at all-- so I'd say there is no argument that a lightsaber using a synthetic crystal could damage Superman. The Sith tend to favor synthetic crystals while the Jedi tend to favor kyber crystals-- however, there are exceptions on both sides. The crystal in Vader's lightsaber is a kyber crystal, and the crystal in Luke's green lightsaber is synthetic.
Also, an argument could be made that although the force is kinda like magic, it is not in the same category as magic in the DC universe. In which case, even lightsabers that do use kyber crystals probably would not be able to hurt Superman.
There's another question to consider as well...
Given that there are many, many different types of crystals that can be used in lightsabers, would it be possible to use Kryptonite in a lightsaber? If 'yes', how would different colors of Kryptonite used in a lightsaber affect Superman?
At the end of the day, there are no definitive right or wrong answers to theses questions.
Really kinda depends on the definition of magic, it’s kinda like saying Jesus could beat superman because he’s “magic” even though he’s not really despite his abilities feeling very magic (matter manipulation, necromancy) seems like something the writers of said fight would have to discuss.
However, I think a better question is would superman be strong enough to break through Vader’s force hold, something that has had the ability to bring down star destroyers. Since lightstabers being magic kinda becomes irrelevant when you realize how hard it would be to hit supes with a sword.
It's not magic , it's just space laser technology. If Superman can grab a green lantern construct, and even the ring itself,and he's fought people like livewire before , so holding a plasma beam would be uncomfortable but he could do it
Lightsabers struggle to cut through some strong metals. there is no way it hurts superman
Imaginary Axis did a whole video on this. A lightsaber would do nothing to Superman
The magic thing with Superman is so misunderstood. Not all things that are magic will hurt him. It depends on what the magic is doing.
For example, if the magic spell is to create lightening then Superman will be fine because he's not vulnerable to lightening. However, if the spell is to create lightening that can specifically harm a Kryptonian then he'll obviously be impacted by it.
I would think force lightning could damage him, but not lightsabers. Cutting through Superman with a lightsaber should be like trying to cut through fortified Beskar.
It was at this moment that Vader knew… He fucked up.
It's just a fancy laser. It's not magic.
The lightsaber would have no more effect against Kal El than, say, a laser or blaster. It's really just a fancy sci fi sword. I mean, the guy is immune to the heat of the sun and Darkseid's omega beams.
Considering Finn, someone who wasn’t bonded to the saber and wasn’t force sensitive, could pick up a saber and fight with it I don’t think it is magical. Maybe if they only worked for the person who made the saber and put their force power into it, but as it stands I don’t think so.
Supes would probably be able to grab it just fine.
Its a laser sword thats it. Now getting force choked is another thing all together
Current lightsabers wouldn't do anything to him. But the sabers wielded by the first force users were ignited by their will and connection to the force. Which would make them pure magic blades, therefore capable of hurting him.
lightsabers are not magic, they are specifically science.
No. Vader has much worse odds against Supes than Sidious would, who I'd say is prolly a 50 / 50 fight.
Nerf Superman to cartoon levels and have a powerful force user boost the effectiveness of their blades with the force to cut through even him. A shot like this could be right before Vader gets serious and suddenly the blade burns Clark causing shock and alarm. " You do not comprehend the power of the dark side "
After all the force is essentially reality manipulation and no person existing in reality can be completely invulnerable to that.
The Force is described as an Energy Field, and that it binds the galaxy together. Thus it is a natural force, and not super natural, so yes, Superman could do this.
What’s up with this misconception that Superman is weak against magic? DC NEVER SAID THAT
he's not weak to it, he's vulnerable to it
It’s literally a whole ass plot point in JLU, which is an official DC property.
He has no special resistances to magic but it still has to be strong enough to hurt him to get through.
Makes sense
Otherwise any magician could just pull out a pigeon of their hat,let it fly at his face and get it over with.
Yep easily
Even if it were magic he's resisted it before
Yes also the force would not affect him because he does not contain midichlorians and isn’t from that universe, just like in the legends novel when the Star Wars galaxy was invaded by that race that used biological tech instead of mechanical tech. They weren’t affected by the force
I love that this implys that a lightsaber to superman is basically the same as a plastic baton. Almost 0 weight to it, all it's power was from its heat.
I mean while i do think he'd be immune, i don't think he could hold it. Lightsabers aren't solid beams, it's flowing, almost like a chainsaw, so he'd more likely just kill the saber by cutting off the feedback
fair, I just meant he can just ignore the thing if it doesnt burn him because a lightsaber that doesnt burn you is just a very light stick
Oh absolutely. It wouldn't do shit to him. (And to those that suggest a kryptonite powered saber, kyber resonates with the force and amplifies energy put into it. (Which is why lightsabers almost never run out of power) a kryptonite crystal wouldn't produce the power necessary to even make the sabers beam in the first place. And if you tried adding it as a secondary crystal the energy from the full beam would destroy kryptonite. The only feasible solution is probably kryptonite inlaid in the hilt if you're ok with getting cancer)
He probably could hold it, but he might get burned after a few seconds
It's no more magic than a Green Lantern's ring.