Romario: “Vinicius is not the player you say ‘if he plays well, Brazil will be champion.’ If he plays well, he will help Brazil A LOT. The only Brazil player you say ‘if he does what he’s capable of, Brazil will be champion' is Neymar"
MediaIs Neymar dying or something? Why so many posts praising him lately?
Neymar passed away mid August last year.
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It was definitely not good for Brazil the last time he died
Caesar and Fernandinho had a premonition of what was coming
Everyone looking gloomy while Dante has a huge smile is pretty funny.
Mostly due to Brazil playing like shit and Vini, the ballon d'or frontrunner, sometimes not showing up. If he showed up, at least people can say shit like "Vini's being let down by his teammates"
People probably started to realize his greatness for NT after watching Brazil without him.
Wasn't that obvious from the Germany game years ago? He didn't show up one day and they lost 7-1!
Nah just Brazil is shit so people talk about their last world class player
retiring and football fans miss him already
Is Romario sick or something btw? I don't think I've ever seen him that thin.
He did a gastric bypass last year to control calorie intake due to diabetes
Intentó volver al fútbol profesional en un equipo regional y se ha puesto "en forma" (lo sacaron en camilla después de media hora)
I don't agree necessarily, because Neymar played like a man possessed many times for Brazil and they still failed to win.
Teams are more organized than ever, individualities in international football will only take you so far.
individualities in international football will only take you so far.
For a team like Brazil, they needed that individual brilliance paired with a strong, complementary team around the star player
Neymar never really had that—the closest was prob Tite's 2018-2021 teams.
2022 team was the prolly better than the other teams.
Tite fucked up calling Dani Alves for vibes in the dressing room instead of a player who could play , because we needed someone able to play effectively at the right back against Croatia and he didn't trust his own player when Danilo and Militão were running on fumes.
2022 team was the prolly better than the other teams.
Your best form under Tite IMO was 2018 WCQs and then 2019 Copa America
2018 WCQ Tite used a more old school Brazil setup with Coutinho coming inside from "RW" to create the overload on the left
But he abandoned that plan at the actual WC (he claimed it was because Renato Augusto was injured IIRC; and Neymar was carrying an injury at the time)
In 2022 you always had a glaring weakness at fullback IMO—you never properly replaced Dani Alves (who was key to that 2017-2019 Tite team). Instead Tite tried to go full Pep-style positional ball with Danilo at "RB" as the 3rd CB and Alex Sandro at "LB" inverting into midfield next to Casemiro—IMO it never really worked. You got away with it because you had more talent than most, but it wasn't a great structure and you were missing personnel at fullback to pull it off properly IMO
Tite's problem never were tactics, his real problems and eventual demise in both WC were his loyalty to players that had no business on the squad.
If you look by performance on pitch, his best performance were all until he drew with England.
In 18, he drew with England and thought he needed a new plan for 5 atb formation. He lost himself because he is not a positional play believer.
Still, we were much more solid in the run up to the Copa América 21. I think that final's loss with Lodi mistake eroded a lot of things for Tite but they continued to dominate result-wise and almost never conceded goals.
Our midfield and wingers were weaker in 18 but the fullbacks were worse in 22.
But he called up the best available fullbacks at the time and should have called up a real option instead of Alves. He also threw a slot away calling Pedro, to appease brazilian media.
And against Croatia, we needed better options than the ones that he made regarding those players. Same mistakes cost us against Belgium.
I will eternally hate him because of that WC22.
I don’t agree that our fullbacks were better in 2018. We played Fagner against Belgium. Other than that I agree that his loyalty screwed us, Marcelo should never have played against Belgium, Filipe Luis had a very good game against Mexico.
Fágner also had no business being in that squad, and was there because of Tite's loyalty.
Regarding the fullbacks, on the left, Marcelo and Filipe Luís are much better than Alex Sandro and Alex Telles. Danilo and Daniel Alves 2022 are also better than Daniel Alves 2018 and Fágner.
If I’m not mistaken, we had Danilo in both world cups, but he got injured and that’s why Fagner played. Daniel Alves also got injured in 2018, but it was before the world cup. Regarding the left backs I agree with you that the options were better in 2018 even though Marcelo was never that good for the national team.
They also need a minimally competent manager and they keep on hiring mediocre ones.
Neymar had unfortunate timing of running into one of Brazil's least impressive generations.
Peak Neymar at full fitness would wreck havock with current Brazil.
Current Brazil is not particularly impressive though.
I mean its still damn well better than some those early and mid 2010's Squads.
Current Brazil is worse than all recent squads except for the 2014 one.
2011-2014-2015-2016 were all very bad, this is a young team mostly
I think this squad is better than the 2010 squad too. People see Kaká's name but forget that in 2010 he was injured and hardly recovered after that.
The difference is that, strangely, the 2010 team was more tactically consistent than the current one.
I think this Brazil could be much better if they were playing in a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 formation. I've said this in other posts, but I'd like to see Yan Couto and Samuel Lino as wing-backs.
-------------------------- Neymar ----------------------------
--------------- Vinicius Junior --- Rodrygo --------------------
--- Samuel Lino -- B. Guimarães - D. Luiz -- Y. Couto ---------
---------- G. Magalhães - Bremer - Eder Militão --------------
------------------------ Alisson --------------------------------
From what I recall watching that cup, one-knee Kaká was probably still the best player on the 2010 team. Which is saying quite a lot because, as much as he’s my favorite player of all time, he was far removed from his peak.
those squads in between 2010 and 2014 were pretty damn dire
Imagine if he was born earlier and was part of the 2002 team..
U say that like they weren't favorites in every World Cup he played in.
I think the point is these two's role and contribution. Neymar at his prime was ridiculously close to Messi/Ronaldo and as a 10 his influence in games were extraordinary. Vini on the other hand is a winger and his influence on a game is just not the same as a 10.
Neymar was very unfortunate with injuries tbf. The 2014 WC is a prime example of that. Brazil looked like a different team without him.
Thiago Silva too, it's a certainty that they would have never conceded 7 if he was on the pitch vs Germany.
yeah literally if Brazil defense does its job they go through cause of Ney.
Teams are more organized than ever, individualities in international football will only take you so far
A unstructured team will be beaten by a well structured team, most of the times, but when two squads are both well structured, the team that can use individual class to break down the oposing stucture temporaily and exploit the space.
Another imo undervalued aspect is, that the active team ic capable of stress testing the structure and organisation of the defendeing team, wich drastically increases the stress and probability of breaking through.
Neymar is indeed one of the most talented players ever. Peak Neymar for Brazil was when they won Confederations Cup in 2013. He was really good in 2014 WC as well before he got injured, however a mix of things affected his career after that: his club choices, excessive falon o dor acting and non-ideal sportsmanship during matches, etc.
I mean that's just how football's always been no? There's 10 other players on the pitch as then there's the substitutes as well.
A successful attack will have multiple parts and as a player you're only responsible for your part of the attack. Unless you're single handedly dribbling past through the whole team and putting it top corner every time you have the ball, you're gonna have to rely on your teammates.
May I present our lord and saviour Diego Maradona?
Except Maradona in his prime. He took teams all the way.
And Neymar especially plays too individually to help a team win in some cases. As fun as he is to watch, whenever he has the keys to a team he constantly slows the game down and over dribbles.
I think expecting a single player to solve all of your problems on the pitch only works with an elite playmaker that makes nearly perfect decisions in possession and is a goal threat. So basically just Messi right now and Maradona, Pele, and Zidane in the past.
kinda the fault of the other players who (usually) don't run to receive a pass etc. They really ball watch. The Croatian goal is a happy exception. Look at the 21 Copa final. ball watching (or maybe wanting to watch some bone crunching tackles on him). Look at the UCL final. He did a lot and then laid of passes (Mbappe messing up at least twice IIRC).
Brazilians am I wrong in thinking that Neymar was a significantly better player at the age Vinicius is now?
this is hardly controversial
At Vini's age Neymar already scored around 50 goals or something for Brazil. Vini? Maybe 5 or 6
Tbf Vini was a bit of a late bloomer compared to him. But regardless of the numbers, Neymar was just a way better and way determinant player, demonstrable through numbers and eye tests.
fucking hell, the dude is 23 lol
he’s nothing like Neymar, never even claimed he was a player close to him
Once you signed for Madrid you have this PR machine that made you seem like the GOAT
He did score in 2 CL finals, so I have no idea what ya'll are talking about. Trophy-wise he is way ahead of Neymar at the same point in career, and I do agree Neymar was a better player. But any PR Vini recieves, it is because of winning and scoring in important moments.
and here comes someone again who compares team stats to personal stats. You are comparing PSG to RM not Ney vs Vini. If you really think Vini is even close to Ney then you are just delusional.
Neymar got a G/A quota per match like top strikers like Lewandowski, while playing an absolutely entertaining football.
No one said Vini is close to Neymar. That's not what they said
Yep, and G/A means everything in football. Not trophies, not the team. It's like tennis, you go to a street court and 1v1 people. That's how you measure how great a player is.
Man, if you want to live a happy life, you have to breathe, and to breathe, you have to unclog your throat of Neymar's balls.
Yep, and G/A means everything in football. Not trophies, not the team. It's like tennis, you go to a street court and 1v1 people. That's how you measure how great a player is.
Man, if you want to live a happy life, you have to breathe, and to breathe, you have to unclog your throat of Neymar's balls.
Vini is more engraved in football than Neymar, and that's a fact. Neymar is more skillful, but when all is said and done, people will remember Vini, not Neymar, because they watched the CL final and saw Vini score in two of those.
Nope G/A means nothing. The most important thing are team trophies, its the best indicator for the players personal skill. You are absolutely right! Even a player that goes to the world cup and played 0 minutes but won the world cup is basically better than Neymar.
Cheers for clearing that up. I hope for you Vini now finally agrees to spend you his seed.
Any time a Madrid player gets praise it's always PR as if the dude didn't win the UCL and La Liga this season. What player wouldn't get attention for those accolades?
Thats why I said “late bloomer COMPARED to him”. Neymar was already a world class player at the age Vinicius was basically unknown to the world. And yes, he never claimed to be at Neymar’s level but people like to compare
Vini was signed by Real Madrid at 17/18 years old and played as a starter... It's not like Inzaghi Who started shining at 24 years old...
You and that other guy are just purposefully missing my point. Vinicius was a meme at that time, I was comparing him to Neymar, not to Inzaghi or other players
IMO yes
Vini is about to turn 24. Neymar at that age was at Barca in the 2015/16 season
Shouldn't be an opinion, anyone who thinks vini is better is straight up wrong, can't believe its even being entertained tbh, that isn't a slight on vini either.
Vini won 2 Ucl being key player. What do you mean by bringing up 2015 Barca?
Because Ney in the 2015/16 season was better than Vini in 23/24 season, him being a key players in 2 UCL victories doesn't mean anything in this comparsion.
Douglas have more titles than Raul.
I'm not his biggest fan, but he is galaxies distant from every other player in our squad (even at younger age and currently)
Santos Neymar was the closest brasilian I saw to Ronaldinho in terms of futbol magic and how much I enjoyed watching them
There was a post about this a few weeks ago comparing their Brazil numbers. Vini turns 24 in a week and has 5G & 5A for Brazil in 33 games. Neymar had like 44G & 25A by age 24. Neymar had 20G & 13A in his first 33 Brazil matches.
Now for clubs, it’s also more in favor of Neymar by pure number, but also I can see how it may look better for Vini, so just look at the numbers.
Neymar had like 178G & 83A by end 14/15 season between Brazilian clubs and Barca with like 54G & 25A being at Barca. Vini has 101G and 81A between Brazilian clubs and Real with 83G & 76A being at RM. Vini joined RM at 18, whereas Neymar joined Barca at 21.
Feels bad for Neymar man. Vini might get a ballon d'or this year despite putting up like half Neymar's numbers at the same age, while Neymar had to go up against Messi and Ronaldo his entire career.
Neymar chose to go to Ligue 1 and get hacked and chopped at his ankles for like 6 years, on a team that was never gonna win anything meaningful, in a subpar league.
at the same age
Neymar didn't move to PSG for another two years at this point when comparing careers with Vini. Don't see how that's relevant.
I think I initially misunderstood your point. However, my point I was saying was that neither can change the fact of Messi and Ronaldo, it is what it is, eras are when they are but Neymar could’ve possibly won his Balon D’ors later had he not decided to go waste away his prime years in a less exposed league where he was subjected to extreme physicality that kinda derailed him a lot. Vini does benefit from the fact that he isn’t competing against prime Messi and CR7 at age 23, but that shouldn’t detract from how good Vini has been right now. He’s put up great numbers at RM and has a good argument.
You are absolutely right. You'd actually have to be the stupidest man ever to think otherwise I stg - any version of Neymar is miles, and I do mean MILES ahead of current Vini, especially when talking about international performances. Vinícius just refuses to step up for us, ghosts pretty much every game, no matter how hard (on paper) the game is.
He's so timid for brazil, like the pressure is too heavy for him. Neymar had to deal with that and fans hating on him because of his supposed off-field antics.
No Kroos passes for him to make him look good. /s
Only for Brazil bro lol. Make no mistake we won the CL this year bc of Vini and bc he played well and scored in the big games including the final. What did Neymar achieve in Europe without Messi and Suarez? i watched almost all games Neymar played for Barca and i never saw him put in a permance like Vini's against Girona. Neymar was still absolutly amazing though but saying any version of Neymar is miles ahead of current Vini is an insanely subjective, and dare i say, stupid statement.
lol what? Neymar scored goals in the last 5 CL games QF/SF/F in 14/15, he was absolutely insane in that time. Neymar was without a doubt the best player in the world after the 2 aliens for a few years, and Vinicius is not close to that level, he is not even objectively the best player for his club/country.
i watched almost all games Neymar played for Barca and i never saw him put in a permance like Vini's against Girona
Lmao are you fucking serious? Neymars performance against psg is more impressive than any of vine's games
Vini was good in the UCL, but it’s still a UCL for Real Madrid. It just holds far less weight than it would have if it was for another team.
Furtermore, trophies is a horrible way to judge a player’s quality on. Neymar is obviously better if you actually watch both play.
Funny could have sworn the objective of the game was winning.
Which is why teams are judged by trophies. It’s still flawed, as great teams can win less trophies than lesser teams who can have lucky streaks.
I think Neymar gets his reputation dragged abit because of non football stuff but that man is so crazy good
Well no team mate has ever claimed Neymar played against them.
I don’t think it’s particularly close
That's just a clear fact.
You would also be correct if you thought that current Vini is better than any Chelsea player ever.
lol, moron
He objectively is. There is no room for debate here. He is also bigger than Chelsea. He has as many CLs as Chelsea in its entire history (of 20 years since u are only relevant coz of Roman’s money lmfaooo).
lol, moron
lol, beggar club supporter.
You support Real Madrid and you ain’t Spanish, your opinion is invalid. I’ve been to the Bernabeau more times than you.
Ur club is English but begs Americans and Russians for money. Ur fucking club is invalid.
I have never been to the Bernabeu unless it was to beg the local Spanish for loose change.
I don’t even know what that means. You write like you have brain damage and your comment history is a reminder that mental illness is alive and well.
You’re a stan of a team you haven’t even watched live. Tragic.
Football elitism. You don't have to be from a city to support a club. This mindset is an English fan thing. Who cares where you are from. You support the team you support the team. You aren't better than anyone else because of where you are born. By your logic Mbappe is a fake fan cause he's not from Madrid.
Did you block me before even allowing me to respond? When your whole family going back generations supports a team, it’s different. When your team loses and it affects the mood of your entire family, it’s different. I’ve had Chelsea season tickets for 20 years and even I don’t care as much as this guy does about Madrid. That’s pathetic.
No one cares.
He’s so obviously correct my head hurts that people don’t grasp this. Neymar = generational, Vini = world class
Neymar is more than generational. He is an all timer
Won’t disagree with that
"YASH RMFC" says that vini has already achieved more than Neymar but Romario says that Neymar is generational
Who should I believe 🥺
😂 definitely the person who has never played the game at a professional level and probably still lives at home with their mom
I agree. Vinícius is more Bebeto than Romário, a luxury support role.
When his team plays well Vini plays well. He won 2 Champions Leagues with what people called a weak RM side.
Umm no team with Courtois , Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Alaba etc can be considered weak...
Do you remember that season? Everyone was doubting Madrid. Look at CBS. Not a single pundit said Madrid would win the UCL in 21/22. Said the same thing this season. Soooooo many people said Madrid was poor those seasons. Now that we won, people had to eat their words but at the time people were heavily critical of Madrid
Unpopular opinion on this subreddit but he’s right in the sense that Vini needs a structured team around him and a clear set of instructions. Without that, he struggles. He is not the creative player that Neymar was
Ah yes , ancellotis real madrid, the pinnacle of structured team with clear set of instructions
I think he means drilled stuff and familiarity. Now in rm vini knows very well what to do and he had to take a bit of time to get there. With national teams you don't have that time, so it's plausible that that is a factor in his disappointing performances.
It's impressive watching him screaming to correct positions of the players all the match!
/s. I don't think it's needed, but just in case.
But Vini became better when he started playing for a manager that valued freedom and individual creativity in the attack and he struggled playing under Zidane who had a very structured team and tactics.
He was only 20 years old when Zidane left. He's in his prime now.
Brother what are you talking about, Ancelotti is known for the opposite of structured teams with clear set of instructions
Hypothetical Neymar strikes again.
Neymar is the most skilled player of his generation, but he's not great enough to pull the current players and manager to victory.
His best chance was 2018 and 2022. Its time to move on.
Potential Man!
Hypothetical Neymar is Messi and CR7 on the same player, but then comes reality like a train and he clearly his overrated because his highlight reel is awesome.
Neymar wouldve definitely challenged those two if his career wasn't so marred by injuries
Neymar is overrated? He got a G/A per match ratio like an absolute top striker like Lewandowski.
Neymar is fucking underrated in this sub.
I beg to differ. Neymar will always play well for Brazil, at this point his clout plays a role
Tbf if thats true its more of an inditement on the team around vini then vini himself
Neymar is just a much better player. He was seriously 3rd best behind Messi and Cristiano for many years. He just fucked his career by going to PSG. One of the most talented and entertaining players of his generation. Vini has to do way way more to be fairly compared to him.
This is from 2022, before the WC.
You dont win because of One player Romario, thats why brazilian football is sterile for long!
People really go out and says Neymar can't do everything cause we don't have a good team, then 1 week later Neymar can actually make us win titles and Vini is the one who needs a team... The hypothetical Neymar is really the greatest player of all time it seems
This is probably the most coachable team Brazil has had in ages. A team where the coach's philosophy can be hammered home as opposed to coaching 7-9 players and the rest of the starts do what you want.this squad is asking for Biesla-esk like coach
O Romario podia ter dito isso tudo em 5 segundos
Funny that the only big title Brazil won in the last 10 years was without Neymar
It's funny but it's largely coincidence IMO
That was also the only tournament Brazil had where they didn't have any serious/good opposition.
It was the Copa America after Chile's golden generation crashed and burned and we were in transition from the 2014-2016 team that lost in every final to La Scaloneta.
Brazil football haven’t advanced from depending on one player to depending on the whole team.
It’s a bit unfair to compare any player to Neymar tbh, the man doesn’t get as much recognition simply because he was playing in the Messi Ronaldo era. Neymar has always been miles ahead of most ‘world class’ players except the two aliens
Ney had such a ceiling I feel he never reached due in part to both injuries and the move to psg. When he was young and I saw clips of him in Brazil and then watched games of him at Barca he was the first genuine player I ever thought, like really thought, here’s a serious Dihno regen. But I really think he never reached what he could have. He was so technically gifted. Tbh the overacting at fouls annoyed me a bit but then again he was targeted quite a bit.
JFC, first Mbappe then Romario. Is this hard truths day?
No individual player can win you a knockout tournament.
Neymar did his absolute fucking best in 2021 copa america final and 2022 WC quarter finals- in the second one, he scored one of the greatest goals in WC history in a clutch moment only to be let down by the team in extra time conceding and then blowing it in the shootouts- ya no doubt Neymar on form is a far far bigger threat than vinicius but its not just him. You need atleast 1 of your mid fielders to be creative, the others to atelast press well and tackle. Atleast 2 defenders to be solid and without brainfarts(yes, you marquinhos) and a reliable GK who can clutch. Then you win these tournaments.
2010 spain
2006 italy
2014 germany
2019 france
2022 Argentina all of them had these.
Did Neymar win anything for Brazil?
Same for Madrid tbh, he's good when he has an amazing structure around him, less so if not. People keep expecting him to be a Neymar, Ronaldo, Messi type that can carry a team when he's not.
I don't understand why people are talking so much about him when freaking rodrigo is starting for Brazil 😵💫
But neymar decided to gamble and go to saudi for some money. Its his fault that he cant take care of himself. Vini is atleast trying for his nation. The prime neymar statement are getting so boring now.
Neymar scored around 50 goals at vini's age while vini scored 5-6 so far. And you saying Neymar was not trying?
Explains why the one time they won something recently Neymar wasn't even playing. You can't expect anything sensible from Romario though.
That's merely coincidence - and there wasn't any relevant generation in that Copa América. That is true to the point that Peru was our rival in the final
Should have been Uruguay or Colombia but they fucked up on penalties tbh, that 2019 Argentina team was a mess as well, a penalty save from Armani away vs Paraguay from being grouped and Scaloni getting sacked.
What a butterfly effect that was...
Argentina started very slow but by the end of the tournament we improved massively. Arguably played better football than Brazil when we played them.
Facts.
So why didn't Brazil win the championship when he played? The Spanish weren't enough, and now the Brazilians are starting to make negative comments about him. Give him a break.
Everything to avoid giving Vinicius his flowers. He is exceptional and on the way to top five south American talents of all time. Get over your colorism and appreciate the raw talent and extreme hard work. Vini posted training videos in his last off season and he's performing on another level. Neymar is great but why compare the two. Vini has two goals in two champions leagues finals and we have to hear him compared to Neymar.
Would romario say the exact same about Ronaldo (R9) and Ronaldinho? Would anyone say that about David Villa and Xavi? Or mbappe and Kante?
Top 5??? He’s great, but still far from even top 30
Cone in he's definitely top 30 already
He is not even in the top 15
How many goals Vini had so far Brazil go find out. Because Neymar at Vini's age already scored around 50 goals. Vini might has better career and more trophies and Neymar will always be a better player and Vini won't come closer
Brazil are in the middle of an international competition trying to salvage their reputation and bring back the great days of seeing Brazil dominate. Why is Romario comparing Vini to Neymar? It's an irrelevant opinion and does not help anything. It's like saying Ramos will never reach CR7 levels and CR7 is a better player.
Do you see how no Portugal fans or ex players are coming out to say CR7 will always be a better player and Ramos won't come closer?
Romario comments don't help anyone. Neymar isn't dealing with the pressure of this Copa America but Vini is. It isnt right to compare the two and have this conversation now. Vini is young and exceeding expectations every game/season . He's the star of Real Madrid and the star of Brazil national team. He has every right to claim to be the greatest Brazilian player currently playing
It was publicized that Benzema didn't trust Vini. Look at Vini now.
Romario is a hater and you all do not want to praise Vini for anything he does.
Ensina, Romario!
This isn’t a compliment the way he thinks it is. The issue with when Neymar was in the team is for him to be the most effective he needs the ball and he needs to be fed the ball constantly. This brings out bad habits in your teammates so they all play worse.
As good as he is he definitely over dribbles and slows the game down a lot.
This old days heroes... Man, your time is gone. These days one man can't win trophy. Years ago defenders were like 7 years old kids. One smart and talented player could destroy any team on his own...
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I’m sure no one would think this is controversial, but why the fuck now!!
Is this another bullshit like Ronaldinho marketing? The team needs to focus now. Why tell them you are bad?!
if he does what he’s capable of
Flopping around on the field, pretending to be super hurt after a slight touch by an opposing Player?
No, Neymar had his chances and he couldn't do it. No way he's ever gonna be in shape again to carry the national team.
Romario would've been more credible if he just admitted it's Ronaldo Nazario de Lima or Lionel Messi.
True about Vini, wrong about Neymar. Great player but not the key to success.
Bruh every retired footballer talking shit about Vini while he's by himself on that LW with the coach playing the team so wide, the team giving the pens to Paqueta who has been playing awful and playing with Rodrygo as the striker, no creators on that midfield, no proper CDM that can play long balls. And Vini still the best player in copa america for brazil* so far.
And Vini still the best player in copa america so far.
He has had one good game.
He was objectively poor in the other two and got himself yellow'd out of the upcoming game versus Uruguay, lol.
And Vini still the best player in copa america so far.
Lautaro Martinez and James Rodriguez have been clearly better than Vini at the Copa America
He's a Madrid fan. Their players are always the best.
odd question but since you're argentinian i thought you might know
was speaking to a friend and he said that Lautaro should be considered for the ballon d'or
do you agree?
He had a great Serie A season and is having a great Copa America
He won't get close to winning because he's not popular enough and he didn't have a great UCL campaign, but he prob should be top 10 at least
Vini still the best player in copa america so far.
He's not been the best player in Brazil also
Who would be the best for brazil then?
It's not about who's the best available player, i said he'd not been their best player in those 3 games ... And paqeta has had better 2 games than vini... Raphina has had higher ratings in those 2 games...
Idk how the manager plays but it's surely not working for Vini ...
He's most probably the best player in squad alongside Alison but it's not worked much in these 3 games ...
Raphi a has been a ghost until colombia man, he even got benched for second game, paqueta has been playing quite awful for being a midfielder who needs to control the game tempo.
Okay and what did Vini do vs Costa Rica & Columbia?
Bieng the player that brought them to the quarter finals with brazil's ONLY win seems enough for me.
Jesus wept the delusion
The best player so far!? Madrid flairs are dilusional as usual
Vini is not even the best player of Brazil in this Copa América.
MMMM Hey there
Not really…unless we’re saying Neymar has never done what he’s capable of for Brazil? Zero copa, zero World Cup and his career is basically done
Neymar saved Brazil from deep humiliation for a decade now. He keeps Brazil relevance and in conversation. Neymar fooled world into thinking Brazil is a good team for more than a decade now
He won confederation Cup against a stacked and peak Spain & he got injured in the quartfinal, world cup 2014.
Confederation cup! Stop the presses.
Is it an achievement to get injured? Not sure how a forward stops the team from conceding 7 goals.
Ok but confed isn’t World Cup or copa which is what I said. He’s played in multiple other World Cup/copa tournaments and obviously hasn’t got the job done
He fractured his leg in Feb 2018, before WC June 2018. The only case is Qatar 2022.
And even in 2022 he was injured (and he still delivered agaisnt Croatia, but his team let him down).
No copas either
Agreed I’ve never thought that about Neymar…at best,maybe about 10 years ago…but that’s also partly because the squad hasn’t been good enough for some time
Lol, so Neymar's been holding back all these years?
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