P1000 hydraulic, or the Heusinkveld Sprint? Both with base but the Sprints are only two pedals. I don’t need or use a clutch
P1000 also have some upgrades you can get down the line.
I have both the inversion kit and the haptics and they're both fantastic. Edit: and I got the new spring kit which is great too
The awkward downside there is that the standard hydraulic kit doesn't work with the inverted pedals, you have to get the inverted hydraulic kit instead.
Running HE Sprints at the moment, regular.
Thinking of going P1000 inverted, with haptics - do you think they are worth the upgrade?
I love my p1000s, but I've never tried Sprints so it's hard for me to answer your specific question.
The P2000 are $10 more.... is there a reason to go with the 2ks over the 1k?
My understanding is that the P2000s are a bit nicer from the jump but they're much less modular.
Also, you're technically comparing P2000s to the Hydraulic P1000s. You can get the P1000s without hydraulics which will make them a good bit cheaper
Edit: also P2000s don't seem to come with a heel stop. P1000s will... Depending on configuration
Edit2: also while this doesn't seem to matter for you, the P2000 clutch seems to be way more expensive. Now... Maybe it's also way better, I'm not sure. But the p1000 clutch pedal is $40 extra in a bundle and $110 purchased seperately. The P2000 clutch is seemingly $180, no matter whether it's purchased in the bundle or seperately. This is based on Simshop prices. Other retailers may be different
I see now. It looks like the p2000 have an adjustment tensioner for the spring, I thought it was a hyd reservoir
P2000 pedals are definitely hydraulic. You can't buy them without the hydraulics. And actually I believe you can't invert them at all because of that hydraulic system. (p1000 actually has 2 different hydraulic attachments available. One for inverted, one for floor mounted)
I've never bought hydraulic pedals, but my understanding is that any hydraulic system has to also have springs and/or elastomers to get any pedal travel
From the reviews I watched the p1000s are the better all around pedals and newer. I cancelled my p2000s and got p1000s. I feel like I would’ve been happy either way. Main reasons I went with the p1000s was that they’re newer and I couldn’t find one bad review on them anywhere. Also you can add hydraulics too them if you want. P2000s saw some mixed reviews but I’m sure they’re great too.
I would never buy a set with no clutch. But I drive like 60% vintage cars. So that’s just me
nah but like there's no reason to buy something without a clutch. On the off chance you wanna drive something with stick what arey ou gonna do swap them out? too much work. As if racing in a sim isn't enough work just getting it booted in place moving my monitor and everything lol
Auto clutch.
I recommend VRS PEDALS - they are absolutely the best for the money (and NO elastomers!).
You can get springs for p1000 now as well...
Really you can mod any elastomer based pedal set to use springs.
This is why I did to my long used set of Fanatec CSL loadcell pedal. Makes it so much better than stock it's laughable. Only like an additional 15$ at most.
I've felt no need to get better pedals whatsoever.
Where did you get the spring please? Thanks !
Here is the lighter spring but you can likely find a one pack.
Really easy to install and makes them absurdly better.
Edit: fixed links
Those look very similar to the springs Simagic is selling for the P1000s now lol. They're probably not exactly the same size but that's pretty funny.
Yeah, to the best of my knowledge the ones I posted are meant for 3D printers but they have other uses.
Pretty funny the SIMAGIC kit looks so similar.
Thank you very much !
NP.
They have a green one that is even stiffer than the red so lots of combinations.
You mind replying with photo? Curious what it looks looks like setup
Is the blue spring a replacement for the stock elastomer strength? Broke 2 elastomers and threw in 2 big lock nuts I had sitting around but kinda want more feel and modulation of the brake instead of an on off switch.
I would have no idea, myself.
Do you run one color or combination?
Wait so you completely remove elastomers and replace with those springs? Would this work with my Clubsport v3’s?
then that's excellent news for P1000 owners
I think new p1000 purchases ship with both springs and elastomers now, but don't quote me on that.
They do have the P-ORP kit for $20 that includes a whole bunch of elastomers and springs so you can try a lot of different options for feel. I just got that a couple weeks ago and the springs are definitely an improvement over the elastomers IMO
Yep. Mine shipped with the optional brake springs. They even have the spring combo recommendations like they do with the elastomers. P1000 Springs
Just purchased the P1000 and they came with a brown and black spring to swap in if needed. I did swap to the black spring in my throttle.
Were those throttle springs or Brake springs?
I believe the Black and Brown springs are for the throttle. The Brake springs are Brown, Green, Red and Yellow.
Instruction manual does not mention changing springs in the brake but only rubber elastomers. The springs are referenced for throttle and clutch. Accessories list: 3 short springs for throttle and 3 long clutch springs (i have dual pedals only).
Gotcha that probably means you were not shipped the springs I was talking about.
I would recommend ordering the P-ORP spring kit. That will give you springs for the brake, as well as a bunch of additional elastomees. It's worth the 20 bucks IMO (plus shipping I guess)
Yeah, love my VRS but I would happily get either P1000 or VRS, whichever is easier. When I bought the spring kit wasn't available.
I think we're really splitting hairs on both sets of phenomenal pedals
VRS > Heusinkveld Sprint. I've owned both and stuck with the VRS pedals.
Hi could you expand on the reasoning? I’m looking at the sprints but open to others of course
FWIW, the VRS pedals are more closely compared to the Heusinkveld Ultimate's, but at sprint prices.
Not sure why someone gave you a downvote. All the top sim equipment reviewers have echoed this comparison.
Here’s a comment I made previously on my experience with the vrs vs the sprints:
“Sorry for the late reply, I FINALLY got the new seat in so I could stop using my track cars. First impressions after getting them set up is holy shit, the brake feels like the hydro boost in my mustang. It feels awesome! All of the pedals feel more smooth and overall better. It's not that they're more solid or deflect, but they feel more realistic for some reason.
The gas pedal is the most similar to the Heusinkveld so there's not really anything to say on that.
The brake pedal feels just like the hydroboost brakes in my 2000 Mustang track car. The throw feels great and not grossly spongy or too firm. I dialed in the Heusinkveld the best I could but was never able to get it to feel this good.
The clutch pedal feels more realistic as well. The Heusinkveld's felt like the brake (I'm not sure what to call it) where the pedal throw changes happened wayyyy too late. The VRS is definitely better and the brake happens sooner but I still need to attempt to adjust it so see if I can get it more true to life.
I hope that helps! It definitely helped me be a bit more consistent with the brakes, but each person will have a pedal set they prefer and they should go with what they like best!”
Thank you
Looking at them now
They are in stock right now. For reference, it took me about 6 months on the waiting list to get mine ( and nearly bought the P1000's full hydraulic set out of impatience).
I went for Simgrade VX Pros at a similar price point. Have you considered them?
I’m think about getting these. Do you like them?
I have owned them since release. I had HE sprints, and the VX Pro is a clearly better pedal set overall.
It's early to say, I just got them a week ago. So far I love them. My previous set was a BJ Steel GT (non hydraulic), and I think I've done an upgrade. I find the VX Pros smoother, and with a more defined feel at slight applications (lets say up to 15% throttle/brake). This really helps with trail braking and finer control.
I think the BJs could be tweaked to feel that way, but I didn't want to spend the time experimenting.
I quite like the defined feel of the second stage of the brake pedal, and the pedal faces are much more comfortable (wider pedals, a bit of curvature) - except for heel n toe. I haven't found the perfect position for that yet, but I've been doing mainly sequential cars.
Good to hear! I like the design quite a bit and am intrigued by the rocking heel plates. They look very comfortable and precise.
SimLab Xp1 Pedals All day!
Over the VRS? Opinion why? Genuinely curious
Honestly I have the sim labs. All of these pedals are end game quality. I love the sim labs, I'd get the p2k but again they are all so close in quality I'd say it's personal preference
Yeah, think we are really splitting hairs between preferences and a handful of really great pedals - P1000, P2000, VRS, SimLab, Invictas, Sprints, Ultimates, all great. Can't go wrong really
I'd argue that the invictas are an acquired taste. I have them as well and they are very much a gt and formula style pedal. Great pedals but you either love them or hate them.
That's fair, still all preference I think. Haven't tried them myself! I know a guy who is very militant in promoting Invictas because of the stiffness
1.subjective for sure but looks, the Xp1 looks more futuristic and modern compared to the industrial/mechanical look of VRS(completely subjective)
Ease of adjustment changing out the elastomers, springs, pedal angle, spring force etc. takes literally seconds on the xp1 compared to VRS
Software, the Race director software looks and works better than the VRS
Price for the two pedal set VRS you can get the three pedal set for SimLab XP1
I recommend VRS pedals.
I have the heusinkvelds and have tried out hydrolic brakes at a simracing expo recently.
I'd take those hydrolic ones above rubber spacer ones any day!
But you're still pushing against a spring/elastomer with most hydraulic brake pedals - it's simply using fluid (which is basically incompressible) to transfer the force, which gives them a more dampened feel. Add a dampener to your pedal, and you'll get pretty much the same feeling, without having to check for leaks.
I’ve had the heusinkveld sprints for several years, and they’ve been bullet proof on my rig.
But it does bug me that 1, they used loads of different size bolts and fittings when they could have standardised on less, and 2, that pedal mounting deck has all kinds of access problems once it’s bolted down. It’s a pain to tighten anything that might have worked loose.
i have the heusinkveld sprint which i bought pretty cheap "2nd market" and i'm very happy with them.
before i did it, i did a lot of research and also considered P1000 but i think the break itself is not that great. what makes it great is the haptic motor and the space on the base plate for your heel could be quite short depending on your foot size.
my option for new pedals would have been simlab xp1 (they also have 5% discount codes). dno about US prices but in EU they are below EUR 500.
even tho i'm very happy with my sprints i wouldnt buy them new since i guess they are too expensive for what they offer but they are great.
(only have fanatec v3 and heusinkveld ultimate es reference)
I haven't tried the sprints but I am very happy with my p1000's
whats the difference btw 1000s and 1000i?
i = Inverted
I started with Fanatac Clupsport v3's, and am now using Sprints. I couldn't stand the v3's, granted they served me well. I think it's just a lazy recycled design, they remind me of a gas station knife with the objectively cheap build all spiced up with colored shit to make it look fancy. When in actuality they have just been recycling the same shitty design for 15 years.
The Sprints are incredible, money well spent. Only thing I would think about doing is maybe adding the Simagic haptics to them, you can get mounts to adapt them. Learned heel toe with them, haven't done much adjustment of the faces and angles and spacing, but you have a ton more freedom than something like the v3. Clutch feels so much better it's hilarious, not to mention throttle and brake also feel a ton better. I do all driving, including drifting, and fluttering the clutch is so much more intuitive. They feel very similar to real life automotive pedals, or what I would imagine a very expensive supercars pedal box would feel like.
The p1000 are a great pedal as well, probably can't go wrong with either of these options.
This is basicly describing my pedals journey. I have added the Simagic haptics to my sprints though and that works really well.
Hated the Fanatec V3.
How are you liking the Simagic haptics on the Sprints? How did you go about mounting them? I know there are files for 3d prints out there, but I have concerns about transmitting the haptics effectively if using 3d printed adapters. Suppose you could print with a harder filament, but would prefer proper metal on metal hard mount, if possible.
I have a 3d printed adapter and it works perfectly fine. Its just a shaking motor, it does not need a whole lot to be attached. I just have one on the brake pedal.
No need for clutch? Go for the P1000's lol? They seem better and doper for the same price!
I have the P1000 pedals and tbh I would say save the money for the hydraulic kit and just get the aftermarket tuning kit that simagic also offers. It’s like $20 instead of an extra $150. It also offers more pedal feel adjustability than the hydraulic kit. Then the price of the P1000 is unbeatable for the quality. Put the extra cash towards one of simagics pedal haptic motors for the brake. Then you’ll have as close as you can get to the simucube active pedals in a plug and play system at the base price of heusinkveld sprints. It’s an unbeatable deal right now tbh.
One comment I haven’t seen here is the service from Heusinkveld is second to none. (Maybe because people haven’t needed it? ) Broke a board on mine (my fault and I told them so ) and they sent me a new one, free of charge the next day. I actually had it in hand faster than I could ever get a return email from Fanatec. (They are in Holland and I am in the US)
I swapped the p1000 for sprints and am very happy, the p1000 throttle is not very adjustable and the throw is very long. Depends on your ergonomics but I prefer the adjustability of the sprints.
I have the p1000rs ans they are pretty good, but I just got to try the regular p1000 with spring kit and I really liked em. My friend and I compared it with his sprints and he liked the p1000 better with this upgrade https://simshop.com/products/simagic-p1000-pedals
https://simshop.com/products/simagic-p1000-optional-rubber-pads
Hey, i just got my new p1000 modular pedals and out of the box the brake is wayyyy to stiff. So you are saying you replace the rubber rings on the inside with a spring?
Yea, the spring kit allows more travel and lighter pedal. Resistance range is more linear. Elastomers have a softer smooth feel that can be made to be more progressive pressure increase
Would you mind sharing your color use and orientation of the set-up?? Thanks!
Sure, I prefer the progressive feel of the elastomers, 2 gray, 3 red, 3 spacers. The lighter springs for example yellow/yellow are much lighter with more travel
awesome, thanks for the reply. Just ordered the kit.
I have no use for pedals that don’t include clutch, personally… so that would make the choice for me.
From what I've seen get the Simagic. And then put the HPRs on them.
I have VRS and they're great bug adjusting the brake is a nightmare with a dumb clevis pin.
If I had nothing I think I'd buy the Simagics, but I probably won't upgrade until I can afford an Active pedal or similar lol
I'm biased. I have the P1000 with the hydraulic upgrade kit. It really is everything the reviewers say about it. I also have the haptic feedback motors on mine. Haptics just on the brake and throttle though, I didn't bother with the clutch. They also have a hydraulic throttle upgrade you can get if you think you'd want it.
Vnm simulations… that is all.. lol biased as I own them
Have a look at simgrade box pro. Had them for 2 weeks and can’t believe how good they are for the price. Reviews are saying they are a med to high quality pedal for a low to medium range price. I’m very pleased with them. Al depends if budget is an issue.
Is that two pedal sprint set vs. simagic 3 pedal set? I'd take the P1000 all day long. The sprints are fine but I feel they are a bit overrated for the price, great customer support though.
No. They are both priced at two pedal set. Just the picture on the site. I think I have made a decision from the input here. I am going P1000 3 pedal, non hydro, with extra spring kit, and haptic motor for brake pedal. Coming in at a price of $607. Best bang for the buck. And as someone who already is using simagic wheel base I'll keep things in the same ecosystem
I have the P1000s myself, and it genuinely is endgame. Only thing I can think of is active pedals but thats way too expensive for me. P1000 also have some upgrades you can get down the line.