Question about Verity encounter

-5

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They’re not right unfortunately.

EvolvedUndead

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Yeah, I’m not sure why people were saying that strategy worked for every starting position when it doesn’t. For the cases where one person or all people have double of their symbol, it works. But if everyone has exactly one of their symbol, it pans out just like your diagram.

To get it to work in only two swaps in this case, everyone has to give both their symbols to the statue with the third symbol. For example, if I have triangle and circle, I would need to give both my shapes to the square statue. If all three people do this, you end up in a solved state in one phase just like the other method.

So you can solve the encounter in two swaps consistently by just knowing how many of their own shape each person has. The people could call out the number of matching shapes as they go in, and the only configurations would be (2 2 2), (2 1 1), and (1 1 1). With just this information, you can use one of the two strategies based on the call out, and solve the shapes without any further communication on shapes.

People are definitely over complicating this encounter, which was understandable when we were figuring out how it works, but know that we know, the strategies are pretty straightforward.

BeatMeater3000

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If you want to do it in 1 trade:

If all players start with double; give one to each player.

If no players start with double; give both of your shapes to the one statue that needs them. Ex you have circle and square, give both to triangle.

If only one player starts with double, they give 1 to each other player. The two players that begin with two different shapes first pick up the shape their own statue does not hold and give it to the player who needs it. Then pick up the other and give it to the other player.

These patterns will always work.

The simple strat has issues of it's own. It takes longer, it requires more steps, and if you have a config with only one player with doubles, they will load up the other 2 players with extra shapes, and this usually puts lfgs into a stunned confusion where they continually stammer until the inevitible wipe.

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I think the “simple” solution works for every scenario except the one I gave. And in that situation you can just give both your shapes to who needs them like you said. So it always gets done in 2 trades, it should never take longer or more steps

BeatMeater3000

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The simple method always, always works. It's just always slower than the optimal methods. And as I said, in a config where one person is doubled, they might flood another player with shapes. If they're new to the raid, they might get a shape from both other players before they're aware of what's going on. At that point you either have to carefully direct them, or you're cooked.

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Its much faster, OP is trying to force double shapes all the time to make it “easy”. I posted an explanation that accounts for the non double shapes and yes it works every time. Its also the quickest method.

BeatMeater3000

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Yea I posted one like 2 comments up lol.

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I am not trying to force double shape at all. I prefer the method where you only do 2 trades, that was the whole point of my post. I was just saying for that method, sometimes you end up with double shapes, no one that I had seen accounted for that edge case

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Ok we are agreeing but just mixing up terminology. People have been calling the method of getting 2 of your shapes first the “smart” method, so I called this one the “simple” method

Meishuu

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Is that starting configuration actually possible? Anecdotally, we've always had at least one person who starts with double of their own shape, but I might be misremembering or confirmation bias-ing.

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It is, and your example is possible as well. In both cases: you'd end the encounter by sharing 2 shapes by giving your friends the shape they are NOT holding.

I've explained here in a separate comment, you don't even need to ask for the shapes you need!

Meishuu

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To be clear, I don't mean "is this configuration theoretically possible" – I specifically mean "can this configuration actually occur in game?"

For instance, your example in the top level comment has you holding square but having circle and triangle. In my experience across several dozens of attempts, everyone has always had at least one of the shape they're holding, so your theoretical example might actually never happen in game.

From what I can remember, there's always been two scenarios: either all three players have double of the shape they're holding, or one player has double of their shape and the other two have one of their own and one of their mismatched partner's shape.

That's why I ask if OP's starting scenario can actually happen, because I don't think I've ever had it happen, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

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Both occur, together and separately. You can get all three people with odd shapes or all 3 with double shapes.

Source: literally me today many many times

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I can confirm that either combination occurs. Have seen my teamates starting with:

-Double of the same shape.

-Exaclty the shapes they need (you have to share them either way).

-One of the shape that they are holding, and another one.

On the 3D world, statues can have any combination possible, including [Sphere - Cube - Pyramid] combination (this was not very frequent)

DesertWyvern

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I've been trying to come up with a simple ish pattern to follow and this is the best I could come up with.

If all doubles send 1 shape to each other room

If you have 1 of your shape send both of your shapes to the shape you don't have

If you have 0 of your shape dunk the shape you pickup on the statue that isn't that shape or your shape, do for both shapes in your room

Throwing this last one on the bottom as it's trickier and might be worth doing the double matching strat if this happens as it'll only add 1 extra step and be easier to think through. If only 1 room has doubles, if you are not the double room send your shape to the room of the other shape you have, send other shape to remaining room. If you are doubles room send 1 shape to each.

UnskilledPlayer123

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The diagram I believe is misleading. Those would not be the shapes you're sending in the double shape strat. For example, if your shape is circle and you have circle triangle on the shadow wall, you're only sending triangle on first switch

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I also apologize for adding yet another post about verity. This isn’t intended as yet another guide, I’m just trying to get clarification on this method

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Don't know why you've been downvoted. You are sharing valuable information to be honest

GarbageHuman6785

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This actually doesn’t work. You can’t simplify the encounter by giving the other people the shape they need. The encounter will not let you progress.

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Yes it does OP just only has half of it right.

GarbageHuman6785

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It doesn’t work in the simplest way. Say every shape has theirs and one other shape. They cannot give their shape away and receive the other they need. The encounter does not let you leave. It has been tested numerous times.

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realcoolioman

Tower Command

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realcoolioman

Tower Command

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Sorry but no. You don’t need to do all that work to force double shapes. If they are double on the wall they will also match your statue. Take one of each and dump it in each of the other statues.

If you go in and on the wall is one shape thats yours and one that isn’t. You grab the shape that isn’t and give it to the person who it also doesn’t match. Then the one that matches your statue goes into the other one.

Its literally a process of elimination. If you’re circle and got a circle and square on the wall well the square can’t go to yourself or the square holder so obviously it goes to triangle. Then circle goes to the square holder as its the only one left

This works 100% of the time. You do not need to force double shapes abs if takes almost no working out. Plus you’re on a timer so don’t do things that make it longer

If this is simpler to you then what I’ve explained if even simpler than that.

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What are you talking about dude I am not trying to force double shapes at all. You clearly didn’t read my post because what you said does NOT work 100% of the time as my diagram shows. My edit says what to do in that situation

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Yes it does work 100% of the time you just clearly have no idea. Oh well, i tried. Enjoy.

-3

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I've taught this encounter so many times already and the "2D world" is by far the easiest part:

DONT SHARE A SHAPE THAT YOUR FRIEND IS HOLDING. This makes the encounter worse and spawn more ogres as well.

What you should do is: You are going to share your 2 shapes.

You need to share a shape that your friend IS NOT HOLDING.

If everyone does that, this part ends by sharing 2 shapes only!

There is no need to communicate with them because you can see what they are holding and you know what's gonna drop from the shadows on the wall.

If my statue is holding square and I got triangle and circle on the wall: Share circle with [triangle friend] Triangle with [circle friend]

[Circle friend] is going to share triangle with you, he can't share that with [Triangle friend]

[Triangle friend] is going to share circle with you, for the same reason.

Even if you start with the shapes you need, and share them, you are going to receive the shapes you need again. This works every time!

Just write down on paper different examples, it's easier to visualize! English is not my first language, sorry if I couldn't make myself clear!

Meishuu

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I don't see how this addresses OP's point. Their example runs through exactly the process you're describing here, but it ends up with everyone having doubled shapes.

-4

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I'm sorry, but I believe you are mistaken. My comment is just to prove that OP is right. Nobody is going to get the same shape twice if you are not sharing the shape that they are holding.

Give them what they are not holding, and give away both of your shapes. Avoid sharing twice with the same statue. This works all the time.

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No it doesn’t. My diagram proves it doesn’t work 100% of the time

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You are right, but this is the worst case scenario and it happens to be the same as the double up lfg strategy. (It's actually faster since you wont trade twice on the last round, only if they are exaclty your shape, but you get the idea)

Worst case, you end up doing the double up. Best case, you solve the puzzle with 2 trades.

Both needs no comns!

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Right but this is the thing, none of the sources I’ve seen, including you, accounts for the edge case. Every time the person says “this works 100% of the time” or you who said “this works all the time” when it doesn’t. I understand how to handle the edge case now but I guess my point is people need to stop sharing disinfo.