www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/republicans-voter-fraud-convictions-2024-rcna146434
The deep ironies in the GOP’s war on ‘voter fraud’ How many Republicans will get caught committing voter fraud before the GOP stops pointing fingers?
When will Republicans stop being ridiculously hypocritical?
I’m going to say …. Never.
They're not looking for fraud. They're looking to crack down on fake election fraud so that they can use the cover of the crackdown to perpetrate their planned election heists.
Let's be specific. They are looking to crack down on minorities, women, disabled, etc.
Weaponized hypocrisy.
You see, the enemy has an invisible weapon, you can't see it so that is proof of its existence.
As soon as a Republican has a selfish or unethical thought, they feel as if they've discovered their enemies plans. Surely if I thought it a stinky liberal has too.
They think every bad thing they conceive of is a tactic their enemies are about to enact.
So it's okay if they now engage in illicit activities because they're only protecting true Americans .
That's weaponized hypocrisy.
engage in elicit activities
They engage in illicit activities. They elicit a strong sense of fear and hatred in their voter base.
They also get off at being called out. Being a hypocrite is a power trip, because calling them out will have no effect on the support they enjoy. What we need is for scripture to be used against these people. They are who the Bible warns about, but the lambs won't know unless someone tells them.
Unfortunately, as it stands, the lambs are as fucked in the head as the shepherds. The vicious leading the blind. And at the center of it all, traditional American values. Values like white supremacy, patriarchy, and the worship of wealthy elites.
If your position is one that if acted upon will genuinely oppress or even imprison millions of people, based on the millennia old writings of a handful of people who claimed to be in communication with the creator of all existence…
…But you don’t believe seriously or in practice, only rhetorically, when it’s convenient or beneficial to tout said views…
…Meanwhile you’re taking bribes to help enact laws that will help rich people make even more money, at the cost of the taxpayer’s own benefits and wages…
If someone is doing all of these things, they are not a politician.
If you do all of those things, you are a domestic terrorist. You deceive and manipulate and oppress, hiding behind religious scripture for justification, and you do it with a big fake smile.
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Pointing fingers motivates their base to commit voter fraud.
Really going out on a limb there
When they go the way of the Whigs.
It’s like an adult version of the grade school ‘he who smelt (smelled) it dealt it. If they are pointing fingers it’s probably them who did it
It's not irony, it's not hypocrisy. It's fascism. They never meant what they said about voter fraud, and when people try to pin their past rhetoric on them, the fascists laugh because engaging with their lies is legitimizing them, and as long as that continues they'll never be caught.
This is how projection works. You accuse the other side of doing what you're doing so much, so forcefully, so often and without evidence that when it does come to light you're doing it, everyone thinks you doing it is just a small blip compared to the other side.
This is, and has been, a colossal failure of the media and Democrats as a whole since Trump. The fact they have allowed it to get to this point with very little pushback is nothing short of a preventable tragedy to our democracy.
Dems do push back, but they don't have the media complex to amplify them. And the regular media goes for loud and outrageous over calm and reasonable every time.
I agree, to an extent. That's why I included the Democrats and the media. This isn't a new phenomenon. For years, nearly a decade of Trump nonsense especially, they still haven't figured out how to combat it. That, by both, is a colossal failure.
The media only has to repeat the claim. They immediately debunk it.
Then they next day they need something else. So they maybe stretch a comment. They do it repeatedly.
7 days. 2 things are legitimately awful.
Now find them.
This is not a colossal failure by the media. In fact, it's quite the opposite, a huge success by the media.
They are complicit.
Cannot disagree in those terms. That in itself, is the colossal failure to democracy I was alluding to and I'm sure you'll agree with.
It's no different than their coverage to this day of Trump v Biden. We all can see it for what it is, but them saying it that way means far less intrigue to November, and far less money for them.
This. That's how the Republican's know fraud is occurring, they're committing the fraud. Except they didn't think through what they were doing, because they'd have to admit what they know is happening. They're all grifters!
It’s not even the hypocrisy, it’s the fact that they don’t care how blatant it is
Such an insult to collective intelligence
Conservatives will see no irony, just as they will have no shame. By "voter fraud" conservatives mean they consider it shifty that Democrats are allowed to vote and have their vote counted. They aren't really, at heart, okay with all Americans being able to vote and being allowed to have a political voice. The only 'real' Americans are rural white Christians, and everyone else is basically a guest who should be thankful they are even allowed a place at the table.
(No, not literally all conservatives think this way. But the sentiment does drive the 'voter fraud!" and similar trends and whatnot among conservatives.)
EVERY accusation is a confession. Gaslight. Obstruct. Project. Today’s Republican Party.
Deny. Attack. Reverse victim and offender.
Yeah, its a stupid question. It implies there is any basis to their claims and that they care about hypocrisy.
The GOP process is truly evil.
They fabricate a false narrative: Dems are committing voter fraud
Their sheep say “well- if the Dems are doing it, WE have to do it to keep up”
Sometimes it’s the other way around:
Trump was legally impeached twice.
GOP “How can we minimize the stigma of impeachment? We will impeach Biden, then they will be the same”
They are furious and just absolutely boggled that there is no dirt to find on Biden worth mentioning.
All of them. Full Palin. Just... all of them.
It’s not “irony” it’s just telegraphing their strategy.
That’s why “Every Accusation is a Confession” is the conservative tagline.
You know you can’t win without voter fraud? Accuse the dems of voter fraud in order to encourage your own minions to commit it. Then clamp down on voting rights in general while pretending to care about fraud.
They did the same thing with pedophilia, claiming to fight it when everyone knows the republicans and right wing organizations are infested with pedophiles. But rather than fight pedophilia they just attack public schooling and libraries.
They point fingers BECAUSE they're doing it. It's classic impotent bullying.
But for some reason our journalists are such nerds that they always take them at face value.
For all the bleating and whining about how Biden stole the last election, no one has ever bothered to question how Trump secured 75m votes. The reason republicans are so convinced the 2020 election was stolen is likely that they committed massive voter fraud themselves and still lost.
The reason republicans are so convinced the 2020 election was stolen is likely that they committed massive voter fraud themselves and still lost.
Except they didn't. No evidence of massive voter fraud was found.
This was the most scrutinized, analyzed, double checked election in US history. If there was evidence of massive voter fraud on either side, it would have been found.
Who did the checking? Which States were checked most thoroughly?
Google is your friend. Feel free to go look it up.
They will never stop pointing fingers because the point is to blame the other team. Even if it is true or not, it doesn’t matter to them. Because it’s something that is only provable after the fact and usually by courts willing to take on the case.
So they can keeps claiming voter fraud every year from now until forever and it just makes their base feel like victims who need to fight against oppressors (Democracy).
They’ll never stop complaining. Not only do they have NO SHAME, they can’t win an election with the popular vote.
They will never stop. Just like the Jan 6 insurrectionists, all they have to say is the Republicans caught committing voter fraud were really Democratic plants, and their idiot voters believe it every time.
A lot of times they do this because they believe the lies spewed by right wing sources. Elon parroted one of the lies claiming Dems favor immigration so they’d get an influx of votes from ‘illegals.’
Since the Dems are already wholesale cheating on the election, why shouldn’t they? I bet even when they get caught, they still think the Dems are cheating but get away with it. That’s why they got caught but not those dastardly Dems.
This is why, it seems, 4 out of 5 people getting caught cheating are Republicans. Their side not only says “The Dems are all doing it!”, it must be easy since they are obviously all “getting away” with it and Dems are dumb (cause they’re Dems, duh).
So, fire with fire, Baby!!! All the way to…. Ummm… jail.
I admire the party members that are so devoted to uncovering voter fraud at any cost . Even if they have to do it themselves .
But it's kinda scary that some are getting away with it. 2024 results will probably be very close.
Republicans dont care who gets caught committing voter fraud. Any discovered voter fraud, even by Republicans, reinforces the view that stricter laws are needed to prevent anyone from committing voter fraud.
One day people will learn that you cannot shame the shameless.
how many white mass shooters does it take for them to stop blaming immigrants?
they don't respond to situations by changing their position, they double down.
The goal is to cast doubt on elections as an institution. If they get caught they just claim that everyone is doing it which is why they "have to". Or selective enforcement. Or they deflect. They don't care that being caught means that election integrity is fine. They don't care that they're the only ones doing it. They want to destroy voting so they can take power. And they have the propaganda outlets necessary to keep the conversation muddied.
VOTE! Vote like it's the last election and you're decided between a democracy or dictatorship. Vote Dem up and down the ballot because we've seen how dysfunctional a republican congress is.
Just like everything Trump accuses Biden of, actually he is doing... The list is long.
Never!
Every accusation is a confession.
Neither cheating nor getting caught matters to them. This boils down to winning at all costs, in order to control the general population to accept their domination. This is probably a carry over from the rather recent of enslavement of other humans. The enslavement the wealthy practice now includes the majority of the poor, working poor, and middle class. Many poor conservatives don’t fully realize they are being brutally used for the gains of corporations, corporate leaders, and wealthy citizens. Religion also has a numbing effect on reasoning and honestly, the systems “used to” work for exclusively for “whites” and many are blindly and futilely hoping that will happen again. It’s like any other abusive relationship where the power distribution is unequal. It’s hard to leave and build an alternative way to exist, when you’re used to needing and depending on … well … your abuser.
Gaslight. Oppose. Project.
My sister is a poll worker and there are multiple checks to make sure it doesn't happen. Even when people try to do it to make a point, it doesn't work
I’ve said it before and. no doubt, I’ll say it again:
Every accusation is a confession
Never. They’re playing the odds that they’ll catch a big one before they EVER admit they commit voter fraud.
It doesn’t matter. They are hypocrites.
The GOP’s voter fraud nonsense is nothing more the a cover story to defend Donald Trump’s fragile ego so he doesn’t have to admit he lost the 2020 election. It’s a non-factual position underpinned by a belief that Donald Trump is perfect and succeeds at everything he does, in effect a group validation of his own delusional autocratic disposition.
An infinite number. They will never stop.
In their logic....
Republicans are committing voter fraud because Democrats are commiting voter fraud, rigged by liberal media, illegal immigrants voting, etc, etc....They believe Democrats are better at it and that's why they're not getting caught, proving them right.
You see, the enemy has an invisible weapon, you can't see it so that is proof of its existence.
As soon as a Republican has a selfish or unethical thought, they feel as if they've discovered their enemies plans. Surely if *I** thought it a stinky liberal has too*.
They think every bad thing they conceive of is a tactic their enemies are about to enact.
So it's okay if they now engage in elicit activities because they're only protecting true Americans
That's weaponized hypocrisy.
I don't know; how many pastors and religious leaders getting caught abusing kids will it take for the GOP to recognize the problem?
All of them.
There should never be an expectation that you will be able to convince a conservative by defeating them in an argument. They are not arguing to win, they are arguing to intimidate and disconcert. They don't actually believe in words. They don't care if they're outed as hypocrites.
To them, they are, by definition, the good guys, and thus any dirty tricks to keep the bad guys out of power are justified. Any amount of hypocrisy is justified. Anything they do is noble, anything the enemy does is bad. Doesn't matter if it's the exact same thing.
Why did she only get four months? She literally stole peoples’ votes. She would switch the vote on absentee ballots.
“Taylor, who is of Vietnamese descent, took advantage of the state’s absurd law that all election material can only be printed in English to pretend that she was simply assisting voters with their forms. In fact, she was abusing their trust to increase her husband’s vote totals.”
Vote as a felony - 5 years prison. Steal a non English speaking persons vote - 4 Months prison.
You're asking that about republicans?
The "finger pointing" party?
Something, something ANTIFA or BLM made me do it... Or "RINOs"... Always an excuse. Never their fault. The party of personal reasonability, ladies and gentlemen!
The hypocrisy is the point.
Is there a statute of limitations on that?
An infinite amount of fraud will be committed by Republicans. They will never stop pointing the finger. It's their personality type.
When they win and there are no more immediate opponents. Then they will start pointing fingers at other people.
By irony I think the author really meant to say hypocrisy!
Stop thinking that the GOP will ever do what’s right. Not gonna happen. Need to take all levers of power away from them.
“It’s not fraud when WE do it.”
The projection is strong with them.
They can't stop, because when Republicans get caught in voter fraud they can "both sides" the issue or claim it is retaliation for dem cheating
The Republicans don't care about facts or logic. Nothing they say or do has to make sense. Their base eats up their lies like red meat. They don't ask too many questions.
Umm ...that's why they point fingers.
They constantly prove how hard it is in the US to monkey with elections on the ground as opposed to media manipulations of opinion and the next idgit instantly forgets or ignores the lesson. Every day, in every way, they prove that Maga only attacks the parts of the system that work. Or R leaders that have some degree of integrity.
You miss the point...they ARE POINTING fingers because they ARE committing fraud. That's what people fail to realize. Same with stealing the election, same with mass pedophilia in their party. They shout and point because they are.
They’re immune to shame and acknowledgments of hypocrisy.
Never. They have to blame Democrats for election fraud so they can justify committing election fraud themselves, just to "even the playing field."
The number is 73 million.
Well, I have to say they’ve certainly convinced me.
More should be done to protect elections from Republicans, and the penalties against them should be both more proactive and more life crippling for waging their war against democracy.
Every accusation is a confession with the GOP.
It really does feel like there is no pushback from anyone about the Republican hysteria over voter fraud which barely happens.
Even the Heritage Foundation- one of the most conservative institutions in America- keeps track of every proven instance voter fraud case and only have 1,500 entries in their system. That's it....in every election (ie not just presidential elections)....SINCE 1979. Average that out.....this barely happens. Because it's a completely irrational behavior. The costs astronomically outweigh the benefits. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search
Accuse your enemies of what you’re doing. They will never stop
How many Republicans will get caught committing voter fraud before the GOP stops pointing fingers?
That answer is zero and MSNBC knows it so they should stop with the "maybe the GOP just doesn't know how bad they are" shit take. The GOP's m.o. for 30 years has been projecting their own corruption and crimes onto Democrats and liberal voters and the media's been eating it up and regurgitating it for that long too. You'd think by now they'd recognize that when the GOP makes an accusation it's almost guaranteed they are the ones guilty of it.
This media ecosystem is so ridiculous. Things are so bad that they can't help but minimize everything.
There is no threshold of exposure that will make fascists stop accusing others of the crimes they commit.
Fascists measure success by the number of transparent lies they can say and still be treated as serious people.
Every accusation is a confession
Grand 'ol Projection - it's their super power
How many Republicans get caught having gay sex before they accept gays?
They don't care...the MAGA cultists don't learn about these things from the Russian funded, conservative media bubble they choose to exist within.
So the republican leadership will play this card until the magical unicorn of a day when and if Trump pays for trying to fuck our election system.
Republicans always think “because I’m doing it, surely everyone is doing it”
Many more will attempt it, especially for 2024
They'll never stop.Without lies,Republicons have nothing.
The more that get caught, the more fingers they have to point.
Yeah, I don’t see the GQP stopping with the voter fraud finger pointing just because it is only Republicans committing voter fraud. This has never been about actual threats and facts. It has always been about generating a flimsy pretext to disenfranchise certain voters.
Still remember hearing about that one republican who committed deliberate voter fraud and got a slap on the wrist and a 5k fine.
A black woman asked the police and polling volunteers if she was eligible to cast a vote and they said she can cast a provisional one and if it turns out she can't, it'll just get deleted.
The black woman was arrested by those same cops later on and nearly was jailed for I believe 25yrs
Yet the republican only got a 5k fine for intentional voter fraud...
We should have jailed him by their own logic, but I guess in the eyes of the republican only a democrat can "commit voter fraud".
Um...they obviously won't stop under any circumstances because, well…nothing means anything.
Every accusation is a confession
anything to keep power.
How many?
All of them.
It's not based on logic.
Every time they point a finger there are always three more pointing back at themselves.
They’ve convinced themselves “millions of ‘illegals’” voted in the last election, so there is no guardrail in their reasoning in justifying cheating and stealing.
Considering theirs is all thats been found even with million dollar bountys, they will quite literally never stop doing it while simultaneously saying dems are doing it. The real question is how long the npc population will keep eating their plates of shit with smiles on their faces.
Infinite. Facts no longer matter to the GOP. It’s all about emotions and outrage now.
If the Democrats don’t get that by now they’d best figure it out fast. Facts matter, but emotional sway matters more at this point.
The media lives in a whole other world. The answer to that headline is never. They don't do it because they're ignorant. They do it because they're bad people and they're hypocrites.
"I'm joining the war on voter fraud... on the side of the voter fraud!"
More right wing lawyers have lost their licenses than proven cases of Democrats perpetrating voter fraud.
The fact that they are doing it at all discredits the system as a whole, regardless of party. Which is the goal.
Never. Until they have a dictatorship.
Hold on here. The right's war on voter fraud long preceded the big lie. The point of the war on voter fraud is to disenfranchise traditionally democratic voters. That is still the primary focus. Since the last election, red states have passed laws restricting voter registration, access to polls, excessive ID requirements, wait times, restrictions on early voting, mail-in ballots, etc. These same red states are engaging in voter role purges that selectively target African Americans, the poor, and younger voters.
There are very few cases of voter fraud. Texas had filed voter fraud cases against 280-ish people after the 2019 elections. Most were dropped as the voters were legal. The state ended up with a handful of cases. None of the cases were remarkable. Not sure what the final outcome of those 7 or 8 cases was. 7 or 8 votes would not have changed anything.
If a state like Texas, where belief in the big lie is rampant, can not find more than 10 bona fide cases of fraud, you know fraud did not occur to any extent.
If it isn't fraud, what is it? Voter suppression.
Hah, good one.
Maga vote early vote often
Why can’t we run elections like civilized countries do?
I guarantee that all of these Republicans are committing voter fraud because they are convinced the Democrats are doing it, so they are just fighting back. Dopes.
There will be no end as long as MAGA holds the reins to the GOP..
The confirmation bias for each side is pretty damn high. Hard to imagine the other side.
I remember before biden got elected, every dem was saying it was going to be the most corrupt election ever if Trump won. Biden wins and the dems are like nope nothing to see here, cleanest election ever. Just fishy messaging from the dems.
Nope, you misunderstood them. They said Trump will do everything he can to disrupt the elections. “Can you find my 11,000 votes?”. Do you remember that one? Do you remember the fake electors? Do you remember the whole Fox News being sued for lying about the election machines and being sued for billions?
You’re choosing to remember what you want to remember.
Can you provide a source on "every dem"? you talking about politicians, or pundits, or just random jackasses online?
Also, after the election, Trump brought something like 60 cases of so-called fraud to court, and he lost almost every single case, I think the one exception was a dude that tried to use his dead mom to vote for Trump twice.
Plus since then, there were cases found of Trump-voters intentionally trying to vote multiple times and getting caught for it. Somehow, Trump missed those cases from the ones he brought to court, fishy?
So, you're right about there being some fishy stuff going on here, but it's just wild to me that you think it's Dem's doing, when there's a very clear history of Trump and his supporters lying throughout every step of the process.
Almost might make people think you have an agenda...
Ooh yea “every Dem”, no actual proof to back up that statement though, kinda just sounds like your opinion…go both sides somewhere else
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