She's not really a bad character. I for one don't mind the new main character being a girl as they always give us the boy or girl options in the games. Her personality is also interesting, since it can be a contrast to Ash, who is usually cheerful and high-spirited.
She is possibly the worst main character in the history of tv. Nothing about her is interesting, it’s really the writers fault for sucking all of the life and competition out of the series. Half of each episode is her inner dialogue, which is without substance, unrelatable and just plain boring. She’s indecisive, sheepish and shallow. On top of all of that she has no qualities that someone would aspire to outside of kindness. They have neutered a show that was about competition and striving for excellence and replaced it with a hollow feminine garbage heap.
não tem necesseidade de competição mas ela é timida não tem nenhum problema
Relatable
I personally really like Liko
How? What is there to like about her exactly?
What is there to hate about her. oh wait let me guess.
"She not Ash, She only has one Two Pokemon Wah Wah Wah look at me I'm u/OutrageousSpecial515 and I don't like change blah blah blah".
She’s in no way compelling. A hero should be heroic. Not compliant, maybe there are a lot of people who would behave in a manner resembling her. It isn’t aspirational, Pokémon IS a story of adventure and overcoming challenges, finding a way through obstacles. Which is a good thing for children to see. These situations still present themselves in the show, but she’s not up to it. Change for the sake of change is not good. Obviously.
This is a new series. Liko is different from Ash. You are just a whinny little brat who doesn't like change, and can't stand the idea of people not agreeing with you because you know deep down you are wrong!
Lmao that sounds like projection they sound chill.. YOU the one freaking out over a random stranger not liking Likos boring ass 💀 She meek and introverted not fit for a children’s show protagonist. Pokémon horizons is a flop and she the main reason why.
You're saying Introverts can't be good protagonist?
Introverts can be good protagonists, the point is if they are badly written or not. And Pokémon as a series always suffered from bad writing, from the early days till the day the franchise somehow finally dies. Exception made on the Manga Pokémon adventures with some interesting characters and storylines and the Pokémon Ranger Spin Offs.
Liko seems to be attracting bad criticism between bitter sides that wanted the anime to finally allow Ash to grow up etc, and people who get pleased for the bare minimum. And Pokémon Horizon is just as bad as the previous series so long as the people behind it remains the same. And last I checked Pokémon is still run by the same people as ever.
The problem isn't Liko. It is who runs the show and how it's handheld, and considering how they ruined Ash Character with Bad Writing Liko is next in the table for character assassination, haven't watched Horizon since I have no faith in it, only watched bits and peaces and it give me a big no as a series, as big as the previous series SM and JN which were perhaps the worst anime series of all time, I've seen Mary Sued Characters written better in the Isekai shitty genre then in those two combined.
Liko presents several extremely harmful female character tropes. She sucks as a character and is not the female lead we deserve.
Fuck You.
Wow, that upset over the fact I'm pointing out that Liko is harmful as a character? Get a grip.
Because you are wrong
-disagrees
-fuck you
New generations' tolerance of opinions be like: Wake me up when one of them woll finally throw a nuke and end us all because his cousin on the other side of the ocean said pigs cant fly
Name 5
Liko immediately, in the first episode, is a damsel in distress saved by a man. She ends up a damsel in distress over 3 times within the first few episodes.
Liko takes the side many times and watches Roy do the typical main, lead character thing such as battling two gym leaders AND catching his first Pokémon.
Liko falls into the "take me instead" trope way too often.
Liko is never given a chance to save herself. Instead she gets Isekai'd by either Terapagos or one of the Mary Sue hero Pokémon. In fact she never saves herself. She's always saved by someone else or one of these Pokémon. Never on her own with her partner.
She runs away all the time instead of actually facing her problems.
Over half of every episode is just Liko monologing instead of Pokémon adventuring.
We deserved a female lead like Misty, May, Iris, and Serena. A strong character, one that little girls can look up to.
se você só assiste o anime por que se obriga e não gosta do jeito do novo anime só não assirtir pessoas timidas sofrem e o ash é muito previsivel não tem a mesma graça
It's 2023. There will always be haters for quite literally anything, no matter how good or positive. The reverse of that is also true...
Other way around
I think she’s too mellow to carry the show. A lot of her self-doubt and uncertainty is played too repetitively and drags.
If they want to do an iyakashi/slow life anime in the Pokemon world, they should commit to it fully instead of trying to do half of one, and half shounen.
Paldean Winds was a better show in only 4 episodes.
Paldean Winds also had more liberty since it was a web series and it didn't have to deal with TvTokyo upper management. Everything TvTokyo touches turns into shit, the Pokémon anime is proof with it just looke at how from OS to Horizon it all sucks in different levels.
I saw the first 5 episode and i personally didnt like her. There needs to be a spark about Pokemon and i felt it wasnt there in her. Maybe it gets better as they progress.
She is a good support char...kinda reminded me abit of lilie but I dont think she has what it takes to be a MC and neither does Roy.
I dropped it after 9 episodes
It gets worse as the show goes on. My 6 year old (who loves Pokémon) didn’t even want to finish the season
oooh now it makes sense.... you have the mindset of a 6 year old
I like to think I’m more discerning hence the example… little slow?
The spark eventually comes to her in later episodes
bullshit
I’m starting to feel indifferent towards her.
Mainly because of how the show treats Roy in comparison to her. It feels like they are just using Roy as a stepping stone for Liko. They don’t let him learn and reflect from his mistakes because they only focus on Liko’s development. They won’t let him grow stronger than her despite him being a battler who actually trains unlike her. They don’t give him as much screen time as her. They won’t even let him have anything to himself, at first the Lucius lore was tied to him the most, then later we learn it’s actually tied to Liko the most. But like? Is this another miraculous ladybug? They bait us into thinking there’s two protagonists only to find out it’s just the girl who is the protagonist?
Also Liko’s character is honestly not fitting to be a protagonist of anime like Pokémon, a series that is known for battles, action, and adventure. Overall, she’s not a bad character, but she’s just not a suitable protagonist for an anime like this. She hasn’t achieved anything on her own without outside help, she’s always spoon feed and is always having someone hold her hands in every situation, also she keeps getting stuff for free every single time. Tbh I think this issue can be fixed if they just focused on both Liko and Roy as equal protagonists like how they are supposed to be.
Hallelujah! Someone has said it!
It's always a good thing when someone has the courage to speak up and give the constructive criticism others are afraid of voicing. Mainly because some turn vicious if you so much as even use the words "Liko" and "dislike" in the same sentence
"I could never dislike Liko."
I'm more or less in the same boat. Liko's been the type of character that I had to grow to respect as time went on. While I don't really like her, I don't hate her either. I just try to respect her character and progression
Things I respect:
Her Empathetic Nature - While not that uncommon with characters from the anime, it being Liko's main connecting point for her Pokemon and her desire to encourage Dot out of her comfort zone could lead to some possibly interesting development
Battle-Style - While I prefer Ash's more direct, unpredictable, sporadic style of battle, as she is the anti-thesis to him, Liko's more book smart, calculated strategies does help present her in a different light for others to enjoy (I just wish it didn't usually involve using Leafage to end battles as a form of cover to run or subdue other Pokemon into not wanting to battle)
Things I dislike:
"Chosen One" Trope - At this point, anything that will progress the goal of finding the 6 heroes, along with most other things such as wins, are pretty much just handed to her on a silver platter. At this point, if they try to give her everyone of Lucius' old teammates, Terapagos and Rayquaza included, just because of her blood relation to Lucius, my respect for her, and the writers, will drop
Lack of Drive as a Trainer - None of Lucius' Pokemon should be considered hers, not even Terapagos, because it would be more of a cop-out to her further growing as a trainer. She's grown as a person, but in this anime, that's just one part to a character. Yes, she desires to be a trainer who understands the feelings of Pokemon, but a more coherent, high stakes goal would do her, and certain fans, a big favor. Plus, her lack of drive for battling really takes momentum away from any battle she's in because to have talent for it and pull wins only to use it just so you can get by instead of hoping for more feels like a waste. And her team doesn't help this case either. Sprigatito's been a good foil for her, but it hasn't truly convinced her to take battling more seriously for both of their sakes. It hasn't even learned a new move since the earlier parts of the series because Liko doesn't train consistently and doesn't show interest in having Sprigatito develop more because they normally use the same strategy. Fuecoco needs the development and evolution more, but to have Sprigatito learn a few new moves and maybe even evolve once would be satisfying. And Hattena? Until hearing Friede and Cap's backstory, Liko didn't even consider or show interest in catching a new Pokemon, and had to be reminded of it when Ann revealed she caught a Sandshrew. It took 20+ episodes for her to wind up catching Hattena and for the most part, it's mostly just been seen playing the part of a cute pet. It went 10+ episodes before using an actual move and she's shown no intention of using it in battle, which doesn't invoke confidence in her progression (Last time something like happen, fans had to deal with Goh's Grookey. And that didn't go over well). As a character, Liko's fine. But, as a self-sufficient trainer? She's has a ways to go
Her Fans - Having people quickly accept her was fine at first. But, some have taken it too far. Some like her for the right reasons, like her progression. And some....just continue to say the same thing. On YouTube alone, if you're hoping to see a video focusing on Horizons in general (episodes, progression, or even a specific character), someone will make a comment about Liko without there being much reason for it (There are comments begging for Ash to return, which can be just as annoying, but what can you do). And the ones that do focus on her? Forget about it. They flow up like a dam with comments that continuously praise her for trivial traits and/or mention how that particular fan hate Ash, Roy, or any other character by comparison. If Liko was more underappreciated, I could see myself liking her a lot more, but that's not the case. She's over appreciated, and when you see the reasons why a specific character gets that attention, it makes it easy for you to get tired of them and not want to take part in what the fans do. It's sort of why moving on from Ash has been difficult and why I honestly prefer Roy. He has his faults, but because people are more prone to point said flaws out while unecessarily highlighting trivial things about Liko, it's easier to focus on his good traits and her bad ones
Bottom line, like you said, she's not a bad character. But, she doesn't really present herself in a matter than screams "main protagonist". Her connection to Lucius honestly feels like the main thing going for her, and without it, who know? You can only hope for the best
This is just recency bias. 10-15 episodes ago people sajd the same things but in reverse. How it was Roy always fighting, Fuecoco is developing more, Roy was the one who had a gym battle and so on.
Even in the older episodes, Liko still had it better than Roy.
Both the anime and fans can’t give Roy a break.
Your comments seem strange to me. It gives the impression that you are simply a Roy fan who is a little frustrated because he wants more.
2- I saw that many fans said that Liko did nothing and even Roy captured a Pokémon faster than Liko, which was having better development than her, this is what I saw in several places.
3- Liko only participated in a gym battle and impressed in the same way as Roy, in fact Liko was recriminated in that gym for that mistake she made.
Roy participated in 2 gyms and one of them alone, he even motivated the gym leader and also our champion wants to face Roy in the future.
Because of things like this I saw that many said that Liko didn't do anything, that she didn't like to fight etc... I didn't see what you were saying.
4- The argument that it doesn't make sense that Liko is better than Roy seems stupid to me. Liko also trains, we saw it in this chapter with Rayquaza, we saw her against Friede and we saw her in that chapter when that ghost pokemon enters the ship.
Roy only had one training episode in which Liko was not and that's why they say that he does train but Liko doesn't? It's nonsense.
Apart from the fact that Liko thinks more than Roy, there are too many examples of that in the series.
5- Lucius's story was not given to Liko from the beginning, it was hers, just pay attention but that does not mean that Roy has nothing, he has her story with Rayquaza, we saw it in this last chapter.
Your comments seem strange to me. It gives the impression that you are simply a Roy fan who is a little frustrated because he wants more.
This really has nothing to do with who I like more. These are stuff I have been seeing since episode 1 of the anime.
2- I saw that many fans said that Liko did nothing and even Roy captured a Pokémon faster than Liko, which was having better development than her, this is what I saw in several places.
By the start of the series Liko has a starter Pokemon and a Legendary, she already had more Pokemon than Roy, and even when she didn’t do anything she still had more focus screen time than Roy in each episode, she even narrates the episodes.
3- Liko only participated in a gym battle and impressed in the same way as Roy, in fact Liko was recriminated in that gym for that mistake she made.
The Gym leader saw Liko holding back against Roy and that other girl, that’s why he was impressed by her. Roy in this episode was just made to be seen as incompetent, he basically only won against Liko because she didn’t want to hurt his feelings, which is honestly more insulting, it stings more when someone lets you win on purpose.
Roy participated in 2 gyms and one of them alone, he even motivated the gym leader and also our champion wants to face Roy in the future.
And he still haven’t won anything notable worthy on his own. Liko has won more battles than him.
Because of things like this I saw that many said that Liko didn't do anything, that she didn't like to fight etc... I didn't see what you were saying.
She doesn’t train like Roy, and she still ahead of him somehow.
4- The argument that it doesn't make sense that Liko is better than Roy seems stupid to me. Liko also trains, we saw it in this chapter with Rayquaza, we saw her against Friede and we saw her in that chapter when that ghost pokemon enters the ship.
She only trains the same time as Roy does when they fight someone together. But she never trains alone like Roy was shown doing, and realistically he should be ahead of her by now but the series keeps him beneath her everytime because she’s the true lead star.
Roy only had one training episode in which Liko was not and that's why they say that he does train but Liko doesn't? It's nonsense.
Roy is a battler, he trains even if they don’t show it every single episode. Liko however established that she’s not a battler, she’s not motivated to battle or train.
Apart from the fact that Liko thinks more than Roy, there are too many examples of that in the series.
Being smart in battle is good, but so far it’s being used as an excuse to not have her train, instead they keep saying she’s just naturally gifted.
5- Lucius's story was not given to Liko from the beginning, it was hers, just pay attention but that does not mean that Roy has nothing, he has her story with Rayquaza, we saw it in this last chapter.
Clearly you didn’t keep up with the interviews when the anime was still on development. When the anime was near release the writers dropped some of the series plot, they always talked about the Lucius lore with Roy, they never brought it up with Liko, and even when the series started it was Roy who was interested in Lucius the most, not Liko. That’s until the Moltress episode changed everything and now surprise it was actually tied to Liko more. Now Roy has nothing unique to himself, he’s just along for the ride. Tbh the Rayquaza will probably also choose Liko over him.
What you said reminds me of Kieran
when a person really likes a character and doesn't see an improvement or feels that they are behind, acting in the same way as you.
2 - Terapagos is not a Liko pokemon and Terapagos was hidden in the necklace for more than 15 episodes.
As soon as Roy already had his Pokémon and they even have a chapter where they train together. At that time a lot of comments were just people saying that Liko didn't do anything, he didn't have anything.
I'm not making this up, I saw it here.
3- Roy improved, concentrating his attacks when singing and learned the Fuecoco flamethrower. That's not being incompetent, not when you progress. In this chapter Liko needed to learn something and he learned it.
The gym leader praised both of them and wants to face them both later. Also, Roy was the center of attention completely with the grass-type gym leader, but you don't mention anything, right? Liko didn't learn anything there, Roy, at least in all the gyms he learns something.
4- I'm tired of the argument that Roy trains more and that he should be stronger than her. The guy trained one more chapter than her and that's it, that makes it better for you.
It's as if I trained 5 days and you 6 football days and for that reason you should be better than me. Do you realize that that is absurd?
But if it's any consolation to you, Liko spent more time training Sprigatito than Roy did with Fuecoco. Do you remember that Liko was in an academy? Well, he took classes and trained with his Pokémon and battled more times.
5- Liko in the chapter where the ghost pokemon appeared on the ship shows that he trains. In yesterday's episode she trained and says that she will continue to improve as a coach. How can you tell me that she is not motivated to train?
6- Roy wanted to be an adventurer like in the books that his grandfather has, apart from that when he saw that Rayquaza woke up he wanted to return him to the pokeball but Lucius' story was always connected to Liko. The biggest test is how Rayquaza saw Liko for a second.
The path the story has taken is what the scriptwriters always wanted, no one changed anything.
Just check this and other similar threads. People, like you also hate on Liko.
Roy is portrayed as a dumb kid with an even dumber Pokemon. They have a lot more room for develepoment, than Liko. We are not even one third of the anime and we already have 2 points in it, where one of the protagonists is more hated, than the other.
You say Liko is more hated than Roy, but in popularity she’s way ahead of him. Check every post that ask which do people prefer between the two. The majority pick Liko. And their reason for picking her often boils to her being cute.
Do you think that's the reason why they choose her?
The vast majority and even this publication say that it is easier to identify with her because of her thoughts and actions, unlike Ash. where we didn't even know what he was thinking except at certain moments.
It's literally what everyone said she was so different from Ash. Those who say that Liko is cute and she is chosen for that are the people who don't like the character.
The problem I have is Friede. He always steps in to save the day with Cap and Charizard. It's repetitive. Also, Like and Toy don't train a lot, they train sometimes on the ship, but they're not gaining a lot experience. Sprigatito only knows like Leafage and Quick Attack, it feels like at this point it should know some other moves.
I just don't like her
Cause she develops too fast that the other protagonist "Roy" now seems like a Secondary Character
I just hope he gets some development that's different than hers since she basically stole his whole gimmick of having a Retro Pokeball with more Retro Balls and a Retro belt added to her along with her Pendant
I just want to say
That’s exactly how i feel as I’ve stated in my comment.
The show is just handling the dual protagonist model poorly. The focused episodes aren't mixed well and so both characters up through now have had long stretches of episodes where they felt more like companions. People posted complaining about Roy overshadowing Liko after his arrival. Now it's her stretch and people are complaining about Liko overshadowing Roy.
You could also say their model was flawed from the outset, something that came from the producers hedging their bets. Instead of fully embracing Liko, they decided to pair her with Roy, who pretty closely mirrors Ash - including using unorthodox and/or downright goofy training methods. Basically, they wanted to try and capture three groups of fans: (1) new fans who have no real attachment to Ash, (2) older fans who were ready for Ash to be retired and/or for the show to have a change of pace, and (3) older fans who wanted Ash to stay and/or want a character like him to take over as the new MC. They divided groups (2) and (3) in the process.
Personally, I prefer Liko, especially in light of the fact that Friede is how I'd imagine an older Ash Ketchum as a true adult mentor. I don't dislike Roy, I just don't see what purpose he serves now that they've basically given Liko all the tools to achieve what started out as Roy's goal. THAT part is what I think will be a problem going forward and was the most disappointing decision. When Liko stated her goal (which was quite similar to Ash's stated goal at the end of MPM), I thought that would be her focus. It even dovetails with her nurturing Terapagos and helping it reemerge from life as the pendant back into the "real world" while Roy's really focused on the chasing Lucius route.
We are where we are now though. It would be nice if people could accept both characters, but it doesn't seem like that's going to be the case (for a large number of fans anyway).
I can't really say she's developing fast. It's more like her personal development is going really slow, but as a character she's having this massive scale plot shot into her. She's not earning anything because the plot's being advanced too fast and is outpacing any personal development
The show will nevet be about them both. The season, yeah, but they will use a new set of protagonists for the gen 10 seasons with a different plot and different motivations. Liko, Roy and Friede's stories are too tight to the current anime that it feels like once the deason enfs anf they reached their goals they will just be gone.
I like her weird green thing in her hair.
Her hairclip?
Yeah. That thing.
Ok, I love liko as a character. She's great. But please, for the love of God, GIVE ROY SOMETHING!!! At first, the 6 heroes were his thing, and ig it makes sense. liko has the belt and all, but like give our boy something, man. He deserves it!
i fully agree with this comment. Liko's a great character, i find it easy to relate to her, but Roy needs something, anything
I just couldn't get into Liko as a protagnist even after watching a few episodes.
Idk I don't really like her or hate her. The way she was written was kind of boring for me. I hoped they show Roy more, it might be more entertaining, I just feel down always hearing Liko's self-doubt and self-blaming, it feels depressing. I always treat Pokemon like a light-hearted show that makes me happy when I watch it, but the first few episodes of the new Pokemon, makes me feel indifferent inside. The vibe is different.
It's her journey, not yours or ours, it's the creators choice not us... All we need to do is watch it or no, support the anime or no. Just don't give it to much hatred, cause were not the one's struggling and making time to animate... All anime deserves love, not hate, cause we only seat back and watch, learn to love an anime series.
I like Liko
I also like Liko.
She's good enough but I like Ash best.
This ain’t about Ash though
I know that but Ash is good too.
She sucks! She should be a Pokegirl not a protagonist of an adventure anime. Even a couple of Pokegirls from the older series show more guts or bravery than Liko.
Liko at this point to me has been written like Madoka Kaname except they’re hellbent on dragging out showing us how special she is without her actively proving it so. It’s been a constant state of “macguffin glows to save Liko because she’s special and related to Lucius”. Okay, but her Mom and Grandma are descendants too, how is Liko soooo special when she can’t even get Sprigatito to learn Magical Leaf? It can’t just be because she’s got a good heart or something? Because this is POKEMON, unless you’re a villain, a good heart is guaranteed.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Glad I'm not the only tired of the "Chosen One" trope being her defining factor. I'd rather see her be more driven in making a team of her own choosing and battling more seriously towards her own goal, instead of watching her get most things such as wins and the role of returning the 6 heroes handed to her just because she's Lucius' descendant (except, apparently, far more special than the others), while her own team remains small and underdeveloped, to the point it consists of, what can be considered right now, cute pets
You're meant to aim for your own goals, not follow in a relative's footsteps. If it's for the fate of the world? Then you get a pass. But, until it's revealed, that's not the case right now
She’s like Marnie, her popularity comes mostly from her looks and cause she’s a cute girl. Liko isn’t like a traditional Pokémon protagonist, she’s not active, and feels more like along for the ride, everything is tied to her but she never does anything to progress the plot, it’s always those around her that actively does the stuff to progress the story.
Her character is fine, she really doesn’t bother me at the end of the day. And she’ll probably remain popular due to her looks mostly. But the only thing I find slightly annoying is when the fans lie to themselves by saying she’s a great Pokémon protagonist, and even claim she’s on Ash’s level. When she quite literally still haven’t achieved anything on her own yet in 33 episodes. Meanwhile Ash by ep 33 was strong enough and capable of taking care of himself against anyone who attacks him or challenges him, and he even had more Pokémon than Liko and Roy by episode 33.
Dw Ash hater will always find a reason to talk him down like people even said Goh is a better protagonist that Ash despite him literally just been there for the PokemonGO gameplay and getting spoonfed more Pokemon than any other trainer in the whole Pokemon Anime World as a beginner in a single season.
Another strange comment for me.
-Saying that Liko's popularity is due to her appearance is a bit silly, Koharu is cute and was completely ignored by almost everyone in Pokémon Journeys.
Many like the character because she is totally different from Ash and she is something new in Pokémon. This post is proof of what I say.
- Liko is active, what happens is that the story is a mystery, therefore it is difficult to move forward, but when necessary she takes the step, she herself is the one who asks for help because she wants to help terapagos, she makes an effort to tell her father who wanted to continue traveling.
- What's wrong with someone considering Liko a great Pokémon protagonist? Many like her development, what happens to her and how she progresses, of course it is difficult to compare her with Ash since Liko only has 33 chapters compared to Ash's 25 years but she is not a bad protagonist.
- what does it matter if Ash had more Pokémon than Liko and Roy? that does not mean anything.
Damn they downvote you hard lol
It's the price for telling the truth jaja
Lol what truth? That’s just your opinion 😂
But feel free to tell yourself otherwise.
Whether you like it or not, it's the truth.
Liko is great!
Which Anime Is she in?
The new one, Horizons.
I like her, because she contrasts Ash very well.
I don’t get the liko hate at all she’s honestly good that people that talk bad about her is being ash isn’t in it
I don't know why youre being downvoted. You're not saying anything wrong.
Yeah I don’t know either I didn’t know I was being downvoted all I said was I like liko
If I'm being honest I found Liko to be quite endearing at the start then I stopped liking her, I honestly find her such a boring character to follow since she barely grows and always has Friede or Roy to help her out. She feels like a background character who's given too much screentime and then when she actually does do something important or cool she then immediately never does anything that cool ever again
I think that the idea that Liko is taking too much screentime from Roy is silly. The show only has 33 episodes and while it might look like a lot it isn't really. For one, the kids managed to hit Diana's arcanine once which is considered an accomplishment. If scratching an arcanine is considered a big thing, then we're indeed very early on the series even in episode 33. The show will keep going for a long time so for the time being, refrain your judgement on how they handle Roy.
I like Liko, I like the new story, because we are being taken on a new journey with new characters, that's why it's said that Liko's series in the Pokemon World is like a reboot. And its her journey, OK.
For me, you know, to those people who have so much hatred for this new series, it's like you are the ones making the anime, it's like you are the ones creating hier story, right? So why are you so harsh in criticizing her character?
First of all, the creators have the decision, not us.
Second, this is Roy and Liko's journey, not ours. We don't have the right to hate too much, others have worked hard on it.
Third, if you don't like her, why not just ignore her? I don't know why people like you are so quick to ruin something that others have worked hard on... Well, maybe it's in your nature... For me, if you don't like her, then don't watch her, it's that simple.
Fourth, if you really want a Pokemon series that caters to your preferences, well why not go and animate it yourself? Just animate it and watch it, then you'll have your very own animated Pokemon storyline. Then we will see...
They really treat Roy wrong and I for one don't like liko at all
I like Liko the way she is, such a breath of fresh air having a protagonist who is sensible, realistic, curious, strategic, and really care about those around her, I can relate a lot with her. It's interesting that this post isn't even about Roy and yet people use that as an excuse to channel their frustration and hate toward Liko.
I like Liko the way she is, such a breath of fresh air having a protagonist who is sensible, realistic, curious, strategic, and really care about those around her.
Most of the thing you listed applies to Roy (and Ash) as well. Roy is realistic in the sense that he acts like a 10 year old, he’s always hyper and excited for an adventure like most kids around his age. Roy is also curious, and cares about everyone around him.
I can relate a lot with her.
You relate to her because she’s a Shoujo heroine. A shoujo heroine is usually known for being relatable (self insert). Shoujo Heroines share common traits, they are shy, timid, Passive, awkward, introvert, need saving, they are given stuff for free, and they don’t drive the plot with their action, instead the plot happens around them. Everything is centered on them, that’s how Shoujo (self insert) protagonists usually are.
Most of the thing you listed applies to Roy (and Ash) as well. Roy is realistic in the sense that he acts like a 10 year old, he’s always hyper and excited for an adventure like most kids around his age. Roy is also curious, and cares about everyone around him.
Not his strongest characteristics. Realistically, not every kids are simple minded and very energetic, there are those that are introverts and mild as well. Also, the most recent episode just showed that he really didn't care about other people when he risked everyone's wellbeing in pursuit of his personal ambition despite having already been repeatedly warned by them, and he didn't even apologize for it or immediately checked on weakened Terapagos after it has rescued them all. What's worse is that he couldn't realize that his measly Fuecoco definitely isn't a match for Rayquaza. This is the first episode that make me dislike him for being thoughtless and selfish. Coincidentally, also did the same thing in the DLC but at least she realized her mistake and apologized for it.
You relate to her because she’s a Shoujo heroine. A shoujo heroine is usually known for being relatable (self insert). Shoujo Heroines share common traits, they are shy, timid, Passive, awkward, introvert, need saving, they are given stuff for free, and they don’t drive the plot with their action, instead the plot happens around them. Everything is centered on them, that’s how Shoujo (self insert) protagonists usually are.
That's not necessarily true. Being a girl doesn't always correlate to Shoujo target market, plenty of non-Shoujo Anime also have female protagonists with some of those characteristics too, not to mention Pokemon is a neutral show for all ages and gender. I can personally relate to her because she has realistic inner thoughts and desire to question and understand everything around her, and she also has the tacit understanding toward other people's feeling and situation which allow her to empathize and help them as shown by what she has done to the crew members, these are all IRL human behavior so it's not hard to see why one can relate to her. Having profound characteristics won't put Liko in a box nor disqualify her from being appreciated by people all around the world, and let's face it, at the end of the day we're all different people with different preferences so it goes without saying that not every characters is everyone's cup of tea.
Not his strongest characteristics. Realistically, not every kids are simple minded and very energetic, there are those that are introverts and mild as well.
Who said every kid is like this? I said it’s common for a lot of kids to be like Roy at that age.
Also, the most recent episode just showed that he really didn't care about other people when he risked everyone's wellbeing in pursuit of his personal ambition despite having already been repeatedly warned by them, and he didn't even apologize for it or immediately checked on weakened Terapagos after it has rescued them all. What's worse is that he couldn't realize that his measly Fuecoco definitely isn't a match for Rayquaza. This is the first episode that make me dislike him for being thoughtless and selfish. Coincidentally, Briar also did the same thing in the DLC but at least she realized her mistake and apologized for it.
It’s only two episodes where his obsession with something blinded him from everyone surrounding him. And tbh I think that’s good that he has flaws, the problem is the writers seem to neglect that when they could use it to develop Roy, but instead they are only focusing on making Liko develop more and more, they keep making everything about her.
That's not necessarily true. Being a girl doesn't always correlate to Shoujo target market, plenty of non-Shoujo Anime also have female protagonists with some of those characteristics too, not to mention Pokemon is a neutral show for all ages and gender. I can personally relate to her because she has realistic inner thoughts and desire to question and understand everything around her, and she also has the tacit understanding toward other people's feeling and situation which allow her to empathize and help them as shown by what she has done to the crew members, these are all IRL human behavior so it's not hard to see why one can relate to her. Having profound characteristics won't put Liko in a box nor disqualify her from being appreciated by people all around the world, and let's face it, at the end of the day we're all different people with different preferences so it goes without saying that not every characters is everyone's cup of tea.
I grew up with Shoujo anime, and Liko shares the same personality as the Shoujo heroines. In general the Shoujo heroine character is supposed to be relatable, because that way the viewers can self insert themselves into the heroine role. Everywhere you go you’ll see people say things like “oh she’s like me fr fr” everytime she does basic things. Because Shoujo have always been focused on making the character relatable to the viewers.
Also, the most recent episode just showed that he really didn't care about other people when he risked everyone's wellbeing in pursuit of his personal ambition despite having already been repeatedly warned by them,
And this wasn't even the first time he's done something like that too! In the G.Moltres episode he and Liko were specifically told to stay put so Friede can find them. And what does he do after he heard the cry of what he assumed was Rayquaza? Run off... It's worked out okay because they found those trapped workers, but they also ran into the rampaging Moltres and would've been screwed if not for Cap.
I really enjoy him as a character don't get me wrong, but geez some of his fans like to ignore his flaws just as much as some Liko fans ignore her's lol. The kid is way too hyper fixated on Rayquaza at the cost of his own, and others, well beings, and it's barely brought up.
Ah yes, I forgot about that one. I agree with what you said. Hopefully one of the crew members will spill the hard truth for him one day so that he'll have self-reflection, even Liko has already been reprimanded for being too self-sacrificing for purposely allowing Roy and a Gym trainee to win.
Even as a shoujo protagonist she fails. Usagi and Sakura are shoujo protagonists and they only get stuff handed to them, especially Sakura who had to develop into her abilities. But I guess Mahou Shoujo are usually exceptions
The fact that you’re being downvoted just proves your point lol
I absolutely adore literally every single one of the Rising Volteccers and I’m honestly really frustrated with the excessive amount of Liko hate like I’m not saying you have to like her, but if you don’t, why not just, idk, ignore her and focus on characters you do like? It has to be exhausting hating a character that much like she’s a perfectly decent character. Sure she’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but there’s nothing so horribly wrong with her that she deserves this amount of hate.
Agree, ..people!, its a new story line, a new series about a new journey, it focuses on a new characters,.. It literaly focuses on kids show, a family friendly anime series. I just dont get the point that Liko, deserves this much hatred or un acceptance, your not the one's who is responsible for creating the series. The Creators DECIDED IT TO MAKE HER THE PROTAGONIST....
Liko's the BOAT (Boring of all time), but Ash's the GOAT!
I like her too and I think with having Roy alongside her that is very much like Ash personality wise is to help fans transition with going from Ash to Liko as the main protagonist.
I should watch this anime again, I had fun with what I saw so far.
Her design has the same issue all the new generations of pokemon have. It's too complicated with too many little things going on. Cut u down and make it simple.
The most crazy part of Ash's design was his hat, and now they made it a stupid hat pin, which is part of the "too many little things" issue.
what about her design is "too complicated" with "too many little things"? her design is pretty simple actually, a green hair clip, blue jacket, white shirt, black shorts, shoes, a small bag...and what else??? there's nothing too distracting or complicated in what she wears, i dont get your comment bruh
Yo bro? Sis? Excuse me? Are you one of the creators? That you keep bubbling about the design? And what stupid hat pin? ( Its a hair clip tho..) Does she deserve this from you? I don't think so, unless you are one who animates and designs the characters...
I personally like Liko, but everyone who comments they like Liko in this post gets downvoted so bad.
what's with all the hate on Liko tho
Relatable protagonist likes to draw as a hobby and likes adventure
I’ve loved this anime so far! I just think this is a similar situation with Avatar fans we’re people are so obsessed with comparing the main protagonist from the another series to the current one.
Tbh I also feel like Liko & Roy as if they’re on the same level despite having different screen times. Liko hasn’t learned a new move for her Spritgattito since Leafage while Roy’s Fueccoco has learned Stomping Tantrum & Flamethrower & has 1 additional gym battle in comparison to Liko.
We should should just be patient and see it through.
She’s fine, but Liko is a terrible name
That was the general consensus after the rabid Ash stampede went to go eat grass somewhere else
Character design wise i like her but just stops there tbh, and i’ll be honest i stopped watching the anime after xyz ever since the art form changed, probably the wrong thread to dump my hate for the new art style but yeah i just like her design wise wish the games actually let us have multi-tone hair…
I didn’t like the art style change either, but if you watch the seasons you get used to it to an extent. Especially in Journeys it’s more bearable than in SM.
The protagonist being a girl isn’t remotely a problem as we’ve had some amazing female characters in the past. For me, my issue with Liko is that for our first official female protagonist, in the vast array of female archetypes that they had to choose from, they went with the most garden variety one
The protagonist being a girl isn’t remotely a problem as we’ve had some amazing female characters in the past.
Who is it?
Making a girl main character was the best decison they've ever made
They just cant accept that a girl is a main character.. It was the best decision, we can see new side of a character...
I think they should have pushed for a more dual protagonist like they did with JN
"I hate women"
Why
Well
1. Not all girls are weak
2. The point of her being weak right now is to get stronger later
Thats why it's her journey....not yours
Is this the new scarlet and violet anime?
I really like Liko. Roy on the other hand…
nah i think she and lroy are good characetrs, thew only thing that bothers me is that they dont care about getting stronger to defende themselves plus somehow their pokemon become op spamming the same moves all the time
Its the creators choice, we don't get out hands on animating and storyline
I like the idea that she has more potential as a trainer despite her lack of experience, but is held back by her need to be a people-pleaser to avoid conflict or disappointment.