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The Supreme Court won’t let a North Carolina charter school force girls to wear skirts to school
Oh this sort of shit is on an entirely different level of insane from Catholic Schools. This is a local businessman making a school that pumps out uneducated workers just smart enough to work at his plants and way too indoctrinated to unionize. Check out this pledge:
I pledge to be truthful in all my works,
guarding against the stains of falsehood from
the fascination with experts,
the temptation of vanity,
the comfort of popular opinion and custom,
the ease of equivocation and compromise, and
from over-reliance on rational argument …
I pledge to be obedient and loyal to those in authority,
in my family,
in my school, and
in my community and country,
So long as I shall live.
Children recite that every day in his schools. If you're ever wondering if the entire concept of corporate schools is fundamentally flawed and insane, just read that again.
The fuck is "over-reliance on rational argument"?
The deriding of "fascination with experts" and "the comfort of popular opinion" as well as the invective to obey authority (shudder) leads me to believe it's the usual brand of 'you can't trust the experts and the settled science on Climate Change' type of horseshit.
You can over-rely on rational argument, if you start to replace 'scientific inquiry' with 'this is logical and rational' style debate (the Greek philosophers did a LOT of this) - rational argument is obviously inferior to scientifically validated hypotheses - but I strongly doubt we're seeing that sort of sophisticated thought from an elementary school.
If an expert is not a person of authority, then what makes the authority?
That's what I'd call a very good question.
That sounds like a rational argument, someone call the thought police.
I haven't dug into it, but I my gut is that it is an appeal to "might makes right" or that whatever the general consensus of whatever arbitrary group you have. While there are some basic facts that the masses get correct there are a lot of popular opinions that aren't based upon any meaningful data. e.g. It sometimes feels that anyone that ever drove a car once thinks that they're a traffic engineer.
They believe might makes right.
Money and guns
The whole pledge seems very anti-critical thinking and basically boils down to: “just believe me and don’t question too much”.
It’s literally the opposite of what education is supposed to do.
I wouldn’t want my kids anywhere near that place.
The whole pledge seems very anti-critical thinking and basically boils down to: “just believe me and don’t question too much”.
There's a reason Texas Republicans had an Anti Critical Thinking Plank in their parties platform. Also pretty much how American religion works. Believe us and no one else because we're the only ones doing things right.
The whole thing reads like somebody wrote a version then pulled out a thesaurus
"Feels over reals."
Who proudly says “I will guard against compromise”? Like, that’s the key stone to functionally living with other humans in a society. Seriously messed up.
It's a red flag
First way out of religion is a rational argument.
I pledge to be obedient and loyal to those in authority
I’m an Agnostic Gen Xer. I have never in my life uttered those words and I never will. That is the antithesis of how I think. People in authority are to be judged repeatedly. That’s how you make things better.
from over-reliance on rational argument …
I want my kid to be reliant on rational arguments. It sounds like the school and parents want to make certain that the children don't think for themselves.
Only trust those in authority, ignore those that know better.
MARORAA
Make America Reliant on Rational Arguments Again
We don’t need no education
I'm religious and I'd despise that notion. That's just obscene.
Another agnostic gen-Xer here. I’m not sure if our upbringing has to do with it but I find our generation to be skeptical of authority, wildly independent (latch key kids), and more in line with the Millennials and gen Zers.
We (Gen X) were constantly told we were delinquents, no good, and untrustworthy… or just outright ignored.
Trust is earned, and the authorities for damned sure never earned any trust from us. We learned (over and over again) that the world doesn’t give a shit about you, so you better make your own way or you’ll never survive.
I feel like we Millenials were told this too, but it was from the economy, politics, and human rights violations not our parents. I’m unrelentingly stubborn and independent because the world just keeps trying to f*ck me over in ever changing ways.
My mom is a gen X, Latch Key, to a tee. she takes care of herself and doesn’t put up with bullshit from anyone. She’s a Christian conservative, but I respect her for always standing her ground. It’s really weird to watch her submit to authority from her church (LDS/Mormon), but outright defy it in other secular circumstances.
My mom is a Gen Xer and she would agree with you. She has always felt more connected to her kids generations.
Us Millennials grew up when all the cool "adults" were Gen Xers.
agnostic genx here - you are wildly independent bc of your upbringing - this is a major influence in who you are.
I rode my bike all over town - 5-10 miles away from home. I had to learn to navigate people (trust or distrust those in authority) - a huge part of my upbringing and major influence in who i am.
Older Gen X and atheist here.
I had a stay at home Mom and was specifically taught to be independent. I walked to school in 1st grade in those UP Michigan winters. It was only a couple blocks but there were no school buses and everybody walked home for lunch and back to school.
Our parents were the first set to both work outside the house. Nobody I knew had their mothers at home. Stagflation was a killer, lots of changes in industry, lots of layoffs. We got away with murder.
I hardly ever say my dad. He worked 65-70 hours a week trying to get the Big Job, retail department store manager. The year before he got it the pay was cut in half (and if the store is even open today, I bet the pay is still the same from the late 80's). When he was home, no noise could be made. Mom was out hustling as a salesperson and the rest of the time was drinking in the bathroom. I basically raised myself.
I think that's why a lot of us are so not social. My parents never had parties or people over. They had work, oh yeah and church, of course never missed that. I haven't been to church since their funerals, and before that, when they last made me go.
Probably because authority has been actively fucking you your entire life.
People in authority are not to be trusted... because they sought out authority.
So, I'm not saying this to be snarky, I'm saying it because I believe it: is it any wonder that the goober half of Gen-X are the ones who have fallen for the anti-vax stuff, were part of the Astroturfed "re-open the country during COVID!" rallies, and were part of the Jan 6th insurrection?
"Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" is a double-edged sword.
I agree with you. Being anti-authority is not the greatest thing everyone here seems to be advocating.
Yup. Want to write in jon Stewart for president and if he wins, he has to do it.
Edit: I saw that one DV, Jon.
They say the best leaders are ironically the ones who will never pursue it.
I want in on it. How do we start his campaign?
Well we start by not telling him we're doing it.
Then start a PAC without the approval of a forced candidate which might be a but difficult...
As an atheist millennial I won't even let you tell me to not say it and I want some avocado toast.
My hippie mom would have violated her non-violence stance if she ever heard me utter that phrase.
It's not just that, but this kind of sentiment makes sexual abuse and the abuser getting away with it all the more likely. If you want to talk about grooming, look no further than this "school". Yikes.
What kind of a parent would allow their kid to say such things? Spoiler Alert: conservative and religious
This is SO ridiculous I gotta ask for a source on this.
Beat me to it. They proudly display this on their webpage.
He owns 4 charter schools btw :P
And thanks to the recent veto-proof supermajority in the state legislature, tax funding is going to start going to these horse-shit charter schools.
That website looks straight up like the Geo-Cities websites we used to make back in 2004/5.
No self-respecting web designer/developer with a fingertip of skill would make them a good website. And it wouldn't matter anyway because I can't see these insane fucks paying for something like that.
That redirects to an fbi.gov page for me. I don't think it's a typosquat or a homograph attack or anything, it seems to be the legit FBI site.
I think we may have given their wonderful web infrastructure the Reddit hug of death. Here's the Wayback machine version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230327201320/https://www.douglassacademy.net/philosophy/our-pledge/
It redirects to the FBI now.
Works fine for me.
this redirects to the FBI's page about Cyber Crimes, so they might be seeing that this is attracting attention and redirected it?
Wait til you see how the kids hold thier arm while they recite it
from over-reliance on rational argument
Fucking what??? In what universe is being irrational arguments a good idea. Shit, it sounds like a great justification to break the pledge. "It would be rational to follow the thing I pledged, but the pledge says to be irrational, so I ignored it."
This is straight-up Warhammer 40k shit. "Intellect is a mask for traitors," "blessed is the mind too small for doubt," etc.
That is so overtly opposed to the American philosophy, that I just don't know where to start.
This was hard to believe but there it is. K-12 education is mandatory in the US. This school absolutely should not qualify.
No American school receiving any public funds or accreditation should be allowed to have students swear to obedience, anti-reason, rejection of expertise and all-around commitment to ignorance. It's the opposite of education and it is bad for the country creating incompetent citizens incapable of participating in democracy - the opposite goal of mandatory education.
This doesn't help either:
School Performance Report - School Letter Grade - School Performance Grade
2021-22 Performance Report: Available from NCDPI December 2022 - C - 65
LOL in NC a 65 is a C.
I pledge to guard myself against the stains of falsehood from over-reliance on rational argument?
How do you over-rely on rational argument? That's one of the worst sentences I've ever heard in my life.
fuck sake..
these places should not be legally allowed to be called schools.
the law should be "you want to call yourself a school? conform to the state cirricula"
and "private schools are not eligible for public money. that means YOU CHARTERS"
Charter schools are just a way to siphon public dollars into public coffers while indoctrinating children with reich-wing ideaologies.
Charter schools are public schools (at least in the US). They just answer to an independent entity (usually a board) that isn't the state. They're definitely a weird area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools_in_the_United_States
Charter schools are public schools (at least in the US).
in theory. not in practice. Public schools have to take everyone. charters pick and choose.
assume i am a blind kid. who has better facilities for blind kids: a true public school or this charter school ? the public school.
who winds up educating all the blind kids with all that extra expense ? public schools.
assume i am a blind kid. who has better facilities for blind kids: a true public school or this charter school ? the public school.
That probably isn't the best example. In some states, the best facilities for the blind are in specific charter schools.
For example, Pennsylvania has the Pennsylvania School for the Deaf, the Overbrook School for the Blind, the Western Pennsylvania School for the Deaf, and the Western Pennsylvania School for Blind Children, all of which operate as charter schools.
I'm not saying that charter schools are always a better system. There are lots of issues with the way charter schools are operated in many states. But when well-regulated and managed, a charter school system can provide a valuable service to augment public schooling.
Jesus fucking Christ, how is that even legal
That's not only profoundly stupid, it's also cartoonishly evil.
I wonder who does that guy's plumbing, if not an expert plumber?
I pledge to be truthful in all my works,
guarding against the stains of falsehood from
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over-reliance on rational argument …
Somehow this describes arguing with my right wing parents.
The people who send their kids their to learn how to best bow to authority are the same that will pretend they fight for freedom.
That's plain and simple slavery training. Agreeing not to be rational? REALLY?!
That’s a grooming doctrine. The hypocrisy continues.
I went for 1 year. When they showed us the options for girls pants werent on the list. We only got the girls order form. I was pissed and ended up ordering shorts and skirts. First day of school plenty of other girls in pants. You just had to order the pants from the boys order form. Wtf. No one let us know even though it was clear I was upset about it. I had pants within a couple weeks but I will never forget how far they went to trick me. Plus they were mens cut which was so uncomfortable, I had hips for days even by then.
Lol, the purpose here is to strictly enforce gender roles, and make sure the girls understand their primary purpose is to be weak and helpless and pretty for the boys.
Of course we ALSO tell the girls it's their fault when they're raped and tell the boys they have no self-control and are mindless animals.
And then the people who teach our children that boys are savage horny animals, and girls must be responsible and careful and mature to prevent the mindless boys from stampeding --- they then teach that the man is the responsible, mature, in charge one that the woman should be subservient to.
All the way back to Adam and Eve -- men should have all the power, women should have all the blame. And these preachers call that domestic harmony.
I call it a pretty good fucking con, to take the power and ditch the blame.
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Yeah I knew someone that went to a school where a teacher was sent to prison for requiring girls to wear skirts to secretly take pictures of girls' upskirts from underneath their desks.
At this point requiring kids to wear skirts should be illegal in schools since kids can be extremly vunerable to manipuation and force. Kids are such easy targets and to enorce such rules to make it easier for the teacher to be a predator makes me sick.
My catholic school tried to enforce a dress code with skirts. I grew up in MN and that was the only time I ever saw parents unified on a single topic ever. They fought it hard enough where the school backed down.
I think northern states tend to be more practical about things in general, due to the seasons. Even if you are dead set on gender roles, you can't argue in good faith that skirts are ever a good idea in the dead of winter.
The parents had sense, the school didn’t. Their opinion was that pants were not ladylike and that if they had to wear skirts back to their day- we should have to also. Just a bunch of bullshit.
Ah yes the "My life sucked so now I must make other people's life suck" theory.
Well there is a reason one side is "conserving" and the other "progressing".
Conservativism only conserves shit from the past. Progressivism at least tries to look to the future (which is the only way time flows).
One braincell take: it sucked for me, so it should suck for you too!
Galaxy brain take: We should strive to make things better so things don't suck for you as much as they did for me.
They had to wear togas and leather sandals back in the day… in a part of the world that has very mild winters. When in the upper Midwest you do as the Vikings do, not the Romans.
ladylike
I would have asked that school to define ladylike
My mom wore pants anyways
As someone who was once a teenager, truly a rarity I know, skirts vs pants always seemed backwards as a skirt is easy access and doesn't even need to be removed for events to unfold.
It's like these ancients have never considered, which has to be bullshit, the idea of a girl sitting down and just pushing her panties aside knowing she can just stand up and walk off if she hears someone coming around a corner whereas pants with zippers are far more trouble if say a roommate walks in when you thought they'd be outside a bit longer.
Yeah skirts are waaay "sluttier" than pants. How on earth are skirts winning that one?
The whole "catholic school girl" thing has been a fantasy since literally forever, and you don't exactly see girls wearing fucking dress pants in any of those fantasies.
its not about modesty/purity but instead of enforcing gender roles. In recent history woman wore skirts, men pants. and thats the only reason they want to enforce it.
It relates more to trying to force women and men to still be in the old roles, homemaker and provider respectively. if you force all the kids to dress drastically differently based on gender you can more easily also convince them there is such a "natural difference" that woman have to be homemakers/submissive ect.
Or, more specifically, when they say "modesty" and "purity" what they really mean are women adhering to those roles and not being affected by the world, by which they mean - having opinions, getting jobs, becoming independent and so on.
Most ancient people wore skirts or robes. Men wearing pants if a fairly modern development.
It's definitely by design. Women need to wear skirts so men can have easy access. Seems pretty consistent with Catholic gender roles.
I'm convinced the "girls must wear skirts" is always proposed by and upheld by perverts.
Looks like this has been pushed in North Carolina since even back to 2019. They are really dead-set about this skirt issue.
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It’s to protect them from the drag queens!
/s obviously
All part of the conservative plan to drag us back to the 1950s.
or to ensure pedophiles rights to oogle young girls
Hard to 'upskirt' when they're wearing pants.
luckily, they still have genital inspections to fall back on!
You either have to be a pedophile, drunk driver, corrupt business man, or all of the above to be a Republican these days.
Billy Graham is "ashamed" that he only managed to set it back 50 years instead of 2000 years. So...
In b4 it’s revealed that the folks in charge of the school have been diddling kids. Anyone that obsessed with making girls wear skirts is undoubtedly interested in seeing what’s up them
Christians will fight like hell to sexualize children.
School founder Baker Mitchell had said the dress code was intended to promote “chivalry” by the male students and respect for the female students, according to court documents.
No gams on display, no chivalry nor respect.
If they are trying to promote chivalry I hope they have a well funded equestrian program. There's way more about how you treat your horse in traditional chivalry code than how you treat a woman.
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Hence the French word for horse, cheval.
Oh so THATS why French knights are chevaliers!
How about teaching boys that being chivalrous does not depend on the behavior or attire of other people? Basic respect is their responsibility regardless.
How about getting rid of the notion of chivalry in favor of teaching universal respect. Maybe we are saying the same thing, but chivalry has a connotation to me of a deference paid to women by men. It encourages thinking about a person differently depending on gender and has very outdated norms associated with it.
You think it’s outdated? Sir, I challenge you to a fight to the death! Whoso shall endure shall be proved to have the favor of Providence, and will thus be adjudged correct. /s
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Don’t choose the Viper. I hear he still has a really bad headache.
Does it have to be to the death? I'm willing to haggle and I submit that we merely go outside together and the first to balk at the heat or the humidity loses.
It’s not deference, it’s paternalism. It’s saying “you delicate thing, let me take care of you by opening this heavy door.” The implicit message is the girl is weak and must depend on a man to navigate the world.
True. That said, I open doors for everyone.
I agree with the sentiment but the door thing is dumb. Holding the door for other people is just something you do to show respect for your fellow human being. I've never met or even heard of a single person who only holds the door for women.
I know people who only hold it for good looking women. It takes all kinds out there.
That shot shit has bothered me for years.
If they want to rely on Jesus - their own god told them “anyone who looks upon a woman to lust after her bath hath commuted adultery in his heart.”
Notice it’s not on the woman to wear the right clothes. Or not wear them. A good Christian should be able to see the hottest woman walking down the street naked and not think “damn I gonna assault that.”
How about that whole “if thine eye offend you take it out”? These jackass male patriarchy wimps want to regulate women’s bodies because “oh no I’ll get a boner.”
I left church behind long ago and glad I spared my kids that awful mindset. But damn I’d it doesn’t piss me off now.
- Edited for typos. And autocorrect turning “hath” into “bath.” :p
Bible was ahead of its time calling out simps for buying bathwater.
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So ... promoting chivalry means forcing the girls into the role of "temptresses" so the boys have to choose between resisting temptation or giving in?
Historically skirts were viewed as the less tempting attire compared to pants because pants are form fitting around the lower body, emphasizing curves, while skirts are not. That's assuming traditional long skirts. I don't know how long the skirts in this school's dress code were, but I doubt they were miniskirts.
http://charterdayschool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CDS-Uniform-Policy-2014-15.pdf
Knee length or longer.
So men are continually tempting women with their firm asses and they should all be wearing kilts or kaftans?
Chivalry isn't what people think it is.
One aspect of actual chivalry was a knight disguising himself as a robber/highwayman and attacking their betrothed or whoever they're trying to court (who they typically have never even met before). If the woman resists their advances, then it's a sign it isn't true love.
Lancelot bout to get metooed smh
Chivalry is whatever the individual, or his lord, decided Chivalry. There are some general themes, sure, but, ultimately, there is no one true code of Chivalry other than "What I do is chivalrous, what you do is not chivalrous. This way, I always have the moral high ground."
Skirts promote "chivalry"? I thought they just made the boys hornier.
Nothing says chivalry more than forcing your will on what little girls wear and enabling any creep to find out what any and every girls' undies look like. 😑
So what's interesting here is that the substance of this case was whether charter schools that receive state funds count as "state actors".
Public schools have long been banned from enacting such mandates, but the court’s majority concluded that public charter schools, since they receive public funds, are also “state actors” and are therefore subject to the Constitution’s equal protection clause.
Previously, a lower court had ruled that the charter schools didn't meet enough criteria to be considered state actors, but the 4th circuit ruled that they did.
SCOTUS declined the appeal of that decision without comment, which essentially means they think the 4th circuit ruled correctly that charter schools which receive public funds are state actors. That could have implications for other rulings around charter schools in the future.
Thanks for posting this, I was wondering how the SCOTUS made a ruling based around constitutional protections and a private institution but that answered that
they think the 4th circuit ruled correctly
Worth noting that it could mean a lot of other things -- this isn't a good test case, this legal issue needs further development, this shouldn't be addressed unless there's a circuit split, we're too lazy to hear as many cases as SCOTUS used to do and this one just isn't important enough, lots of possible explanations for denying cert.
Charter Day School says it seeks to "emphasize traditional values" and enforces a dress code that requires girls to wear skirts, jumpers, or skorts. Female students wearing skirts, the school's founder said, preserves the idea that a woman is a "fragile vessel that men are supposed to take care of and honor."
emphasis mine
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Alright, you want to honor women. Cool. But you don't want to honor their wishes. You don't see women (or girls) as equals. How is that honoring them? Seriously. To honor someone is to hold them in high esteem (that's the definition). How calling someone a fragile vessel an honor? Girls aren't vintage gravy boats. They're girls. Honor them by treating them as equals.
That's some five alarm creepy shit. Whoever wrote that shouldn't be allowed around children.
I found it.
1 Peter 3:7 They're taking 'vessel' out of context, IMO. Also, if women are any kind of vessels, this verse implies than men are also vessels. But that doesn't come up so much in relation to men in these weird misogynistic ramblings. Meaning they're corrupting the Good News for their own purposes.
that's because they think men are vessels that are supposed to be macho men but it's an idea doomed to failure. no man can be as macho as macho man randy savage.
that's why i took the name nada and roam the earth.
eh, you're giving them good faith. In reality, they just like grooming women to be servile at best and targets of pedophiles as worst.
It’s also old sexist idea that women only destiny is to give birth to future warrior men. The idea men have to maintain women stay ‘pure’ and fertile vessels
It's because they think women are vessels for bearing and raising children and not much else. Note that a vessel has no intrinsic worth but to carry something else around.
I think they mean ‘honor’ in the same sense as a Plantation owner might have an “Employee of the Month” program for their slaves.
Well that’s the grossest thing I’ve read in a while. The fuck is wrong with some people…
When far right people complain about indoctrination, what they really mean is that the don't want anyone challenging the indoctrination they grew up experiencing and want to pass on.
What's wrong with some people is basically that from birth they were told that there was a single objectively correct world view and social order and now it's no longer being adhered to. Many of them literally see it as a duty to reestablish that order.
Fragile vessel??? Gross
Gotta protect those baby incubators, man.
Remember Madison Cawthorn?
He used the phrase "earthen vessel" when referring to women. So this isn't a one-off.
It's so fucked up that taxpayer money goes to support this garbage. Meanwhile, they are trying to destroy public schools by making parents think that's their kids will become Marxist transgender activists.
Now Oklahoma has actually gone ahead and approved an explicitly Christian charter school.
And quite frankly with the way things have been going we’re gonna need some angry transgender Marxist activists to beat down the fascism into the depths of hell where it belongs. I look forward to the non-binary battalion march: “we got your skirts right here, motherfuckers”
How did they make the jump from skirts to "wish to protect"?
Honor them by treating them as equals.
"Equals? That's just silly!"
- Republicans
"Why are there no women on the committee discussing women's health issues?"
"Cut it out with the identity politics!"
- Mitch McConnell, paraphrased but essentially accurate.
Friendly reminder that Hillary Clinton was the first wife of a president to have her own professional career, and the first to really be treated by her husband as his equal.
Which is why Republicans have hated her since the very beginning and think she’s Satan.
🤮 Honouring them making their legs be on display rather than covered in trousers should they choose to.
Insert Skinner meme here:
Am I so out of touch? No, it's the women who are wrong
It really does not matter the state. Once you get 50 miles outside of a major metropolitan things start getting a little weird.
.... sounds super rapey, to objectify school girls this way.
"School founder Baker Mitchell had said the dress code was intended to promote “chivalry” by the male students and respect for the female students, according to court documents."
How does wearing a skirt promote “chivalry” by the male students and respect for the female students? Do male students at this school disrespect girls wearing pants?🤷🏽♂️
Make the boys wear skirts, they need respect too.
It's to help reinforce gender roles. Boys are taught to only respect women who know their place and wear women's clothes and do women's things.
The dress code isn't the most egregious issue with Baker Mitchell and his chain of charter schools. He is basically stealing taxpayer money and indoctrinating children .
I mean, that's more or less the point of charter schools.
What are the odds this guy is a hard core conservative
Well he writes loving odes to Betsy DeVos and Clarence Thomas, so you decide.
I’m from this area.
Fuck charter schools.
The fact that a public charter school spent resources on taking this lawsuit all the way to the Supreme Court is troubling. Taxpayer dollars for public education being wasted on lawyers working to force girls to wear skirts. They should have their charter revoked.
Yeah the fact that this reached the US Supreme Court is just absolutely hilarious to me. They really fucking cared that much to spend hundreds of thousands if not millions on lawyers?
Technically it didn’t reach the Supreme Court. They refused to take it on which by default leaves the highest next court (appellate court) ruling in place.
The school administration regarded each female student as a “fragile vessel””. Hey, dudes, this is 2022, not the 1970s.
That makes penis inspection day much harder.
“Chivalry”… right.
I do recall when Jesus told the men who were offended by women’s dress to pluck out their own eyes.
Perhaps this school’s leadership needs to ensure they have their calendars set to 2023 and not 1823.
In 1971 I fought my 8th grade principle in California to have the right to wear pants to school. I won. It was quite the scene and thanks to my Mom and Dad for supporting us! Who would have thought we would need to be having this conversation again now.
Every now and again the supreme court does rule in favor of common sense.
I had to wear skirts to public school until 10th grade. Even in the winter, with snow blowing up our skirts while waiting for the school bus. Fuck that noise.
Shame on them conservatives trying to groom those kids into suggestive clothing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say those skirts don't even have pockets.
this seems like a joke but i’m not getting it?
A lot of girls and women get excited when we find dresses and skirts with pockets, or really anything with nice sized pockets, because most women's clothing either doesn't have pockets or doesn't have useful pockets (they're faux pockets or they're not big enough to hold much of anything).
Nothing quite like finding a pair of pants that has a pocket that'll fit your phone and, for whatever reason, deciding that I'll probably fit because the brand is consistent in that respect only to find that the phone will be jammed directly into bones the moment you try and sit down. Also: lots of dresses have pockets. Most of them aren't the kind of pocket that you should put anything in, of course, because the moment you sit down the contents will just wander off.
Such pockets might be worse than no pockets, because, for a moment, you let yourself hope.
A vessel is for holding things. But the girls' skirts probably don't even have pockets to hold things. Thus their argument falls apart.
It's like requiring girls to wear tube tops lol
Why are conservatives so dead set on controlling every aspect of our lives?
Because they want small government.
Because they can’t stop thinking about the children.
Funny.
Conservatives: girls must cover up because they are a distraction to boys.
Also Conservatives: wear skirts
Will they allow boys to wear kilts? Asking for a friend w bagpipes
“Who do you think you are, Japan?”
What kind of creepy weirdo's want for force kids to wear skirts?
Oh yeah, republicans.
Insisting that girls wear skirts is creepy. Not much else to say about it. Why does an adult want to see young children in skirts? If they choose to wear trousers, let them. Indoctrination into obeying arbitrary orders starts young for most.
Supreme Court PR working over time today
I'm weirdly on board for mandated school uniforms. Your clothes at school gets you put into groups real quick, at an early age.
Not arguing for gender specific uniforms, just pointing out one of the hardest things to deal with when you're a kid.
/was a poor kid.
i went to a fairly strict catholic k-8 school and even they would let girls wear pants if they wanted,, isn’t the whole point of a uniform system so that kids can focus on their education without worrying about their clothes ?