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Teague on Angel Reese getting ratings: Angel being the villain and talking to Caitlyn Clark got eyeballs on the game. They also made it a race thing like this black girl acts crazy, so we all rally behind her like that's black girl magic. Then white people like she should carry herself like Caitlyn
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Conflict gets ratings apparently
ESPN and First Take noticed this decades ago and pivoted to basing way too much of their content around race and other hot topics instead of actually breaking down sports.
I blame Skip and SAS
Teague just talking out of his ass
how? he's accurately describing how this beef has played out
I never knew Caitlin would be so hard for people.
I haven't been keeping up, so has Caitlin done anything to invite all this? All I've seen are people getting worked up, while it's radio silence beyond the normal basketball media availability from her. Imagine being at the center of some memeified racial conflict while you're just trying to play basketball. Unless I've missed something.
She didn't do anything, she was just born white
I'm sure there are some bad actors who are using this to wage a race debate but majority of people just like CC cause she plays like she's steph curry.
There are a ton of great white players in the WNBA from Kelsey Plum, Sue Bird, Breanna Stewart, Cameron Brink to upcomers like Paige Bueckers so its not like everyone is waiting for "a white saviour". They're not. They just never seen a wnba player play the way Caitlin Clark does.
She was an underdog, her teams had no business going to the finals. That plus her play style and breaking records made her a fun story.
It’s like people don’t understand that underdog and comeback stories don’t automatically win everyone over.
Nothing. There is just too much jealousy in the WNBA because she is getting more attention than literally any other player including the MVP.
Her games are so popular that the away teams are moving to larger arenas for her games.
Also more Caitlin fans attend games than away team fans in the away team stadium. Like yesterday, she played against Diana Taurusi in Phoenix. Diana is considered like the Lebron of WNBA, and she was booed in her own home court. Thats how popular Clark is.
This! When they came to LA they had to move the game to crypto .. tickets were as high as a regular laker game …the home crowd was cheering her on.. it was the weirdest thing ever but I was all for it
Thanks "mayodemons" I'm sure this post isn't motivated by racial hatred
lmao I knew I wasn't the only one who peeped that. Ya getting rage baited by a troll
You mean people don't like it when someone is racist
The problem is you can’t play the villain and the victim. That’s her problem. She celebrates when her teammate knocks Caitlin over, but then immediately in the press conference says she’s not talking about it. Then says the social media backlash to her playing is because of her race.
Just play the villain, you will be respected 10x if you just keep the mask on and act like you’re above it and show that you’re the true star. They’re not Magic and Bird, they’re Isaiah and MJ. She just needs to keep playing the Isaiah role.
Yeah, behaving like the villain is one thing but not owning it is really fucking lame, Dillon Brooks level dork shit
She does play the villain role and ONLY the villain role when it comes to basketball.
The “victim” part you seem to be identifying is just her speaking up about BLATANT racism and the undertones that are obvious to her and every other blk ppl. (I feel so strongly about this assumption that I will wrongly speak for us as a monolith)
Basketball and racism are separate things and she as a human being is allowed to commutate differently about different topics.
I encourage everyone who isn’t black to try to separate these two things.(Or atleast ask yourself why you’ve been thinking racism and the cancer we’ve historically seen it QUICKLY develops into is so indiscriminate it should just ignored because it’s not in stage 2 or 3 or … 4). I hope your eyes richen from good convo irl rather than cesspool that is mass media & marketing.
Ignore grammer, it’s 2am and I’m a insomniac
How do I hide all Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese discussions from my feeds?
It's there like a Google chrome filter I can get?
No..but there is a specific subreddit where it should all be averted to...
WNBA subreddit. That is for the fan to decide
Fan of what? This is a NBA subreddit. Not a basketball subreddit. Should we start posting college stories on here as well?
Sorry, first part of my comment was stating the proper subreddit was the WNBA
Second part of my comment was a play on words based on the end of this clip:
That sub Reddit can be toxic asf
they hate men over there
Women in a professional environment being toxic???
Nah its easier than that - if you see a reddit thread with "Caitlin Clark" in the title, you just don't click it or comment in it and you won't be participating
seriously, wnba has their own subreddit , why is this on r/nba?
People obsessed with race
Nothing unites fans like a good old fashioned race war.
History and the structures in society are also ‘obsessed’ with it. Because it’s a huge factor in how different people live and feel and think. People whining about anyone who mentions race in any capacity are almost entirely fucking chuds. So jot that down
At least one person in this cursed comment section gets it lol.
It wouldn’t be this way if certain people didn’t force it to be this way for centuries, embedding that discrimination into every facet of organized culture, religion, and law. To think that this would have no lingering impact long into the future—and even worse, to write it off as some irrational infatuation—is the latest PR-friendly evolution of the same cultural apathy that led to racism’s proliferation in the first place.
dont see why not, race does matter in life, saying it doesnt would be disingenuous
It’s disingenuous to imply that not being obsessed with race is the same thing as saying race doesn’t matter in life
Yeah but progress is making it matter less and less. And artificial racial drama to inflate the popularity of the WNBA doesn't help that or help people with real issues.
Nothing artificial about how white conservatives reacted to Reese v Clark.
It's not even just white conservatives. It's mostly just dudes in general for some reason
Edit: lmao just look at this thread
Does Reese get ratings?
I mean the Chicago Sky are averaging like 6,000 people a game.
They're averaging 8600 per game, up from 7200/g last season.
Legit question, does that number stand if you remove the 3 games against the fever? Or is it proper up by those outliers. I know the Fever games have delivered high attendance across the league.
They've only played one home game against the Fever (the other 2 were at Indiana), and the attendance was 9800. So even without that game, their attendance is up almost 20%/game since last year.
So the attendance number you had above was only for their home games?
The Sky were 7th in road attendance last year at 6447/game, but are second this year at 10,471/game.
Cool, thanks for finding and bringing that data.
Don’t know about ratings. But she generates a lot of discussions for sure. Some people (Clark fans) are kinda obsessive about everything she does lol
And vice Versa.. resse fans are obsessed with Clark
Because they like to pretend they're on the same level. If they don't play eachother in the championship game 2 years ago this wouldn't even be a conversation. There's a reason why Angel wasn't a top 5 pick lol...
Because she’s not as good as Clark.. people don’t want to admit it but it’s true .. now Cardoso.. the third pick over all .. she’s a beast that when she figures it out won’t be stopped
Exactly. Or A'ja Wilson, absolute baller. But Angel is just objectively not fun to watch and people refuse to admit it.
Sabrina’s fun to watch too
Somewhat. Obviously, nothing crazy, and obviously miniature to Caitlin Clark.
Yes.
She gets ratings when she plays Caitlin Clark. Otherwise no one is tuning in to watch her blow a 2 handed scoop layup
Angel Reese reminds me of Andre Drummond .. gets lots of rebounds .. no post play .. occasional large scoring outputs
That’s the exact NBA comp. Andre Drummond is 3rd all time in rebounds per 36. He just signed for $5m a year. I think one game Angel rebounded her own miss 7 times. That’s half a season maybe for most players. And I’m saying this as someone who loves Angel.
I mean, that’s wrong. But good try!
It’s not wrong, if CC didn’t exist we wouldn’t even be talking about this or Angel. There’s nothing wrong with that either, but let’s be real CC is the reason why stadiums are being moved for the first time ever when the fever play.
The WNBA was the fastest growing sport in the US before Clark joined. Its regular season games were averaging more than regular season NHL games. Reese has the seventh best selling jersey and is one of the most talked about players in the country.
People are tuning in to specifically watch her. Saying otherwise just means you don’t know shit about the WNBA.
Nothing even close to the ratings CC is bringing though and it’s certainly not really due to Angel Reese either
They like her, not her basketball.
Cue Cartman running down the hallways yelling, "Race War!"
Did Jeff Teague just solve racism?
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I thought Nelly and Tim McGraw did that?
LMAO
No but big props to him for explaining the unspoken part so easily
Pretty sure the NFL did that already with the ‘End Racism’ helmets!
Or people are just annoyed that someone who shoots like 35% off layups has built their entire personality by hating on one player.
Is it her entire personality or is it just the only thing people see on their timeline?
It's the only thing Clark fans see tbh
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Does it matter? Do you think the hawk tuah girl’s entire personality is sucking dick just because that’s all we know about her?
I'd say as a fan of hers (and Caitlin's, and the W in general), her personality is more built off hustle plays and leadership - her energy on the court is unmatched, she's always hyping up her teammates, she never gives up.
I also think she made some misteps looking for sympathy at the wrong time - she has a right to condemn the racist and sexist hate she's received, doing so at the podium after a loss wasn't that time.
But when Caitlin plays for sympathy - like her recent "nobody gives me advice, I wish" which is just untrue, it is treated with widespread sympathy and used to further the bs narrative of "Caitlin vs the W"
Now Angel absolutely has to improve her efficiency and she has to develop a reliable jumper, but she also gets unfairly vilified. And I'm not saying she doesn't taunt and talk trash, but when Caitlin does, it doesn't become a story with Barstool Sports and David Portnoy and every sports media outlet pushing some weird agenda.
For example, when Angel said "I guess some ppl get special whistles" she wasn't talking about Caitlin, she was talking about Aliyah Boston, who def fouled Angel a few times in the game in the post but ended with 0 fouls. However, huge media outlets plastered that quote out of context to make it seem like she was talking about Caitlin
Tell me you in lot pay attention to headlines and ESPN.
God forbid anybody speaks against the golden girl
It’s not about speaking out. It’s about legit just hating on her every chance she gets and building her personality around the hate
Every chance? They played in the same conference for two years no issues then
People like you are the ones who continue to attach the two at every given moment online. Type literally the one projecting that this is ‘her whole personality’
Angel Reese just set a WNBA record with 10 straight double doubles but yall wouldn't know that cause yall just hate without actually watching
Watched her shoot 1/7 in the 4th to keep that double double streak alive 💪
watched Angel put up 25/16 and beat Caitlyn's ass too 💪
I love this, the wnba needs more toxicity
What about the other two games this season?
I guess those two games don’t exist
when Clark shot 22% from 3pt? real impressive 💪
I don’t really have a horse in the race here but Reese has an awful ts% compared to caitlin so maybe ragging on shooting isn’t a great idea
clark is shooting better from 3 than reese is on layups lol
KD shot 28% from 3pt in his rookie season too. So what?
After Clark beat her twice already this season 🤣
when Clark shot 22% from 3pt? real impressive 💪
Better than Reese shooting 2-9 during the 6/1 loss to CC and then 30% during the other loss to CC .. real impressive when her shots come close to the basket .. bravo 👏👏👏
Kevin Durant shot 28% from 3pt his rookie season
Didn't beat her when it mattered though lol
I'm glad we as a society have progressed from disingenuous and biased MJ vs LeBron arguments to disingenuous and biased Clark vs Reese arguments
You mean Bird vs Magic arguments?
We haven't really had those in a long time tbh but yeah that would probably be a better comparison
Caitlin beat her in the Elite 8 a few months ago but sure, I guess only 1 game in a college season matters
Lmao that’s a record
How many double doubles in a row have you gotten? And of course I mean fucking hamburgers you little troll
Rookie record
Sabonis did that how many times over last season?
Men being better than women at sports. Who would have known?
74
I don't really have anything against Angel Reese but as a non-shooter she did this historic 10 game double double streak on 42% shooting from the field. So it's not like the poster is crazy far off in what they are talking about.
EDIT: The last game she played she went 10/16(!)/0 on 4/16 shooting and 2/4 from the line.
That's 28% true shooting
She gets so many double doubles because she misses so many easy shots and gets her own rebounds
I'm pretty sure I've seen that her self O-boards are in line with most of the top rebounders. This is mostly a narrative to diminish Angel Reese
The Andre Drummond school of stat-padding.
Is she supposed to let the opponent grab them?
It makes it less impressive because of how many layups she misses
The longest double double streak in the history of her professional league isn't impressive??? Why hasn't anyone else just "rebounded their own misses" more if it's so easy??
Not to me but if that impresses you, have at it. Happy for you bud.
It's been disproven, clearly, that that's not the case with Reese's rebounds but people keep parroting it
Idk why some of y'all are so weird about this
I’m actually impressed she’s that big / plays that close to the basket and misses that many shots
Caitlyn Clark could use someone like that to rebound all those 3's she's bricking
(Generational hater I respect that)
For real, they're probably trolling but I got to respect good hatin'.
Caitlin Clark shoots almost as well from 3 as Reese from layups….
Caitlin shooting 40% from 3pt? no
Caitlyn Clark shoots 34.6% from 3, which is 22 feet out.
Angel Reese shoots 29.2% from 3-10 feet.
Are you ok?
Yeah people really tune in to watch those double doubles...
got Shaq, Magic, and all these black celebrities coming to watch and celebrate Reese so yea
You are really into race huh
It’s easy to get rebounds when you miss so many layups. Shes the WNBA Andre Drummond
Shes the WNBA Andre Drummond
That’s pretty fucking good then.
Caitlyn Clark bricking 3's like she's the WNBA Jordan Poole
CC hits about the same percentage of 3’s as Reese does for layups
CC shooting 50% on 3's? nope
Are you Sheryl Swhoopes or something?
It’s shit like this which makes the discussion so tiring.
Angel Reese is a dominant rookie in a dominant rookie class (Caitlyn as well obviously). But you have people like OP who clearly don’t watch WNBA trying to reduce her down to TS% as a rookie so they can raise their flag for the Internet war
2 month old account called mayo demons
She doesn’t bring ratings at all. Her hype is forced by racist black loser desperate to have an answer to CC. CC is the only draw in wnba.
All I can say is that some of these comments are ironic and actually prove the point that they are making...but also it is good to see actual fans/viewers of the WNBA commenting as well...
Oh and for people asking why is this here...the WNBA is actually under the umbrella of the NBA's ownership...oh and the post features NBA players so it probably fits in here as well as on r/WNBA
I didn't understand. He said Angel Reese made it a race thing and white people made it a war. Flip that around and would anyone cheer that statement on? Caitlyn Clark made it a race thing and black people made it a war. Meh. I don't think these dudes even understand what they're saying. Just some irrelevant podcast trying to do the same thing Angel Reese was.
Nobody is talking about any of this without Clark. Boring.
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Thats not her playstyle. She just talks trash never fought on the court
reese hasn't even done anything violent tho she just plays in the paint this is a dumb comparison
She isn’t “violent” at all
You’re telling on yourself.
Crazy comparison. Fuck did Reese do to the level of him?
Angel Reese isn’t violent 😭
It’s like how people hated Tyler Hansborough
Grayson Allen
Allen’s a dirty bitch. Incredibly efficient, but… Was Hansborough that bad? I’m old enough. I just don’t remember.
And as soon as Angel chokes a player on the ground, your comment will have merit.
Goddamn that’s a racist post 😂 mans just called her a super predator
Jesus Christ she is not violent bro.
You’re literally just calling Angel Reese a thug with more steps. Racist connotations dude
He would've made it more obvious if he said she's not classy lol
If only Angel reese were more well spoken
If only she was more humble
Sounds like you’re calling Draymond a thug with less steps …
Nice classical racist move: “well actually you’re the racist”
Let me guess you love to say Democrats started the KKK
Sorry but Draymond is not a weirdo, he is one of the dirtiest player in recent time
dirty players aren’t well adjusted individuals
Candace Parker got me watching the Sky a few years ago, and Angel Reese has brought me back. Once she can calm down her game, and get more experience. She could easily average 20/10
Reese is a PF and shoots like 40%, and get so many rebounds from her own misses. Outside CC the league is just horrible quality of play that’s unwatchable
Clark is having an incredible rookie year but it’s crazy to say the quality of play is awful outside her when there are demonstrably better players than her right now. If you want to say less entertaining, sure that’s subjective, but there absolutely are players at the same (or better) caliber as Clark.
Basically the problem with Clark stans
From the few games I've watched, I'd say that like 30% of the league can ball, but that doesn't put enough skilled, dynamic players on the court at a time to make it exciting. I think the number is trending up, but it needs to get to like 70% before we get a good product.
Is she not supposed to get the rebound?
She doesn’t get any more rebounds from her own misses compared to other rebound leaders in the league.
That narrative is false once you look at the stats 16% of her rebounds come from her own misses
You telling on yourself with this sorry take.
She’s more like an Andre Drummond
Drummond of Rodmans
You got NBA dudes who don’t watch the WNBA looking up TS% on layups for a rookie
This is incredible
Pretty funny conversation for white people. But in reality yes people tune in because caitlin is a girl next door white girl for most than anything else. The fellas are right, this definitely became a race thing. Yall should have seen bars across random cities charing for caitlin for obvious reasons lol. was almost funny to see her lose because of the crowd reaction.
Isn’t there a dedicated sub for this garbage?
Angel reese is a envious person, clark is a generational talent and people want watch her while almost no one want watch angel rese brick layups, she is annoying and nothing special, a lot of wnba players are better than her, she is only known because of caitlin clark
Lol boy go touch grass and get help. You the exact person we talking about
Here comes the white people
I just realized your username...lol...
What rivalry if both teams might not be in the playoffs?
what is wrong with you people?!
tbh honest i hate angel because the combination of her cockiness and arrogance plus the ugly and yet unefficient style of basketballl she plays: look at her scoring and rebounding. she just be throwing that thing up and pray
then get the miss and same shit again
its just not what i love about basketball, especially women basketball which is usually more tactic, teambound and pure
Angel Reese gets dragged for giving Caitlin Clark a taste of her own medicine and it puts white America on a burner against her. Then, they win the title and people still try to coddle Clark, even getting a White House invite as the loser. It's obvious that a large part of Clarks popularity stems from people not liking the "over"-confident black girl.
Angel Reese being the heel in the 2023 ncaa championship got me interested in women’s basketball. Also, she’s fine.
Ew lol. You horny for Sid the sloth, my man?
WNBA has to use negativity to get viewers. That’s not sustainable.
Have you ever been on this sub
lol yes it is.
Lol that's adorable that you think they are the only ones to do that.
Why can’t we all just get along?