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Militarily, it would take a long time for Ukraine to retake all their territory. But if Ukraine gets an upperhand on the battlefield, they can use that to press an advantage going into peace talks and hopefully get back to their 2014 borders.
They don't have the people to retake that territory. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier right now is 43 years old. That's because the eligible 25-40 year-olds have already been conscripted (which is a fancy way of saying government slavery) into the military and are mostly dead. An entire generation has been thrown in the military industrial complex's meat grinder.
Prediction. One day Ukrainians are going to reflect on how we perpetuated this losing war and they're going to hate us for destroying their families every bit as much as they hate Russia.
Prediction. One day Ukrainians are going to reflect on how we perpetuated this losing war and they're going to hate us for destroying their families every bit as much as they hate Russia.
Nonsensical take. USA isn't forcing or perpetuating a losing war they support a country that poll wise still wants to fight.
Ask yourself how the populaces of the countries of the other wars we've fought and funded over the last several decades view us these days.
And yes, we perpetuated it. Peace deal was on the table and Boris Johnson talked them out of it on behalf of the warhawks in NATO and the Military Industrial Complex.
Ask yourself how the populaces of the countries of the other wars we've fought and funded over the last several decades view us these days.
And? Perception doesn't dictate morality. Afghanistan intervention was justified, so was Libya as sanctioned by UN, don't see anything wrong with Syria either, and Kuwait.
And yes, we perpetuated it. Peace deal was on the table and Boris Johnson talked them out of it on behalf of the warhawks in NATO and the Military Industrial Complex.
"In September 2022, Reuters reported that Putin's envoy on Ukraine Dmitry Kozak had struck a provisional deal that would satisfy Russia's demand for Ukraine to stay out of NATO, but the plan was rejected by Putin who preferred a full-scale military invasion.["
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
There never were legitimate peace talks because Putin does not want peace. He wants to restore Soviet borders. Which start with Ukraine.
Ask yourself how the populaces of the countries of the other wars we've fought and funded over the last several decades view us these days.
Name one country that was invaded and we funded their government to fight their defensive war that hates us today for it? Hell, I can't even think of an examples of us funding nations like that besides Afghanistan in the 80s or Iraq in the 80s. Believing that Ukrainians will hate the West for giving them weapons and money is ridiculous.
“Ugh, those darn nations giving us weapons we asked for to help defend our land from this invading force! I swear they’re almost as bad as the people literally murdering my neighbors!”
Yep, totally believable.
Afghanistan
And I pointed out in my comment that Afghanistan is not an example for NeoMosse. Afghanistan had no hate for the US for giving them weapons to fight the Soviets. The reason the Taliban supported Al Qaeda in their war against the US was simple but something most people in the West refuse to understand. They believe their god ordered them to. They believe their god wants them to conquer the world. When you are a secular person who views life as something that only lasts a century or so, its difficult to understand someone that views life as lasting an eternity.
And yes, we perpetuated it.
Nope, not even a little. The only people perpetuating this war are the foreign invaders murdering Ukrainians. Giving them weapons to defend themselves isn’t perpetuating a war of conquest, be real.
Peace deal was on the table and Boris Johnson talked them out of it on behalf of the warhawks in NATO and the Military Industrial Complex.
Please cite a source for this and what that “peace deal” entailed exactly.
You might want to read that article before you cite it, it clearly states that peace was nowhere near achieving, that major issues were not at all solved, and totally contradicts the narrative you’ve been promoting.
The two sides were never as close to each other as the formula they concocted suggested. Yes, Ukraine was willing to renounce joining NATO, but knew that equivalent security guarantees by the great powers would be hard to come by. Nor was there any real prospect of Russia “negotiating away” its annexation of Crimea in 2014. And as far as known, no progress had been made in settling the future of the Donbas (the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern and south-eastern Ukraine). Agreements between Russia and Ukraine, brokered by France and Germany, known as Minsk I and Minsk II, intended to give the provinces a degree of autonomy within Ukraine, had collapsed in 2015. Now, they were partly occupied by Russian troops
In fact, the only source in that article that states a peace was stifled is the same Russian sources who swore they weren’t about to invade Ukraine right before they did. Why would you believe them?
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