Lucy Letby found GUILTY of the attempted murder of Child K

Cheshire Constabulary Press Release

Statement by DCI Nicola Evans:

“This has been a long and painful journey for the parents of Baby K – having to face continual denials and sitting through very personal and upsetting evidence in the original trial and again at the re-trial.

“Their courage, strength and resilience is absolutely remarkable.

“I would like to thank them for continuing to put their faith in us and I hope that the conclusion today provides them with some peace of mind and some of the answers they have been searching for.

“Once again, there are no winners in this case. Today is not a time for celebration – it is a time for reflection and a time for the family of Baby K.

“My thoughts – and those of the whole prosecution team – remain with them at this incredibly difficult time.”

“A trained nurse responsible for caring and protecting a tiny, premature baby abused that position of trust in the most unthinkable way.

“The continued denials have caused significant upset for Baby K’s family as they have had to endure a trial and subsequent re-trial. No-one should ever have to go through what they experienced.”

Statement by Detective Superintendent Simon Blackwell:

“This has been a highly complex and extremely sensitive investigation over the past seven years and I want to say thank you to the whole investigation team in recognition of all of their dedication and hard work.

“I want to acknowledge each and every person who has been involved – from our dedicated officers and staff who built a detailed case that resulted in a charge, to the witnesses who were integral in giving their evidence at court, to the prosecution team who devoted their time to this case and finally to the jury who have had to sit through complex and, at times, very distressing and upsetting evidence before delivering their verdict.

“Our case has also been strongly supported by a number of key partners to which we are also very grateful including the Crown Prosecution Service, Prosecution Counsel, The National Crime Agency and colleagues from other forces.

“Everyone has had a part to play and we owe a debt of gratitude to you all.”

Additional articles:

Lucy Letby: Serial killer nurse found guilty of attempted murder of extremely premature baby (Sky News)

Lucy Letby guilty of trying to kill baby girl (BBC)

Lucy Letby: Killer nurse found guilty of attempt to murder baby (The Mirror)

Serial child killer Lucy Letby shows no emotion as she is found GUILTY of trying to murder premature baby girl by dislodging her breathing tube (Daily Mail)

Statement by Prosecution:

Senior Crown Prosecutor Nicola Wyn Williams, of CPS Mersey-Cheshire's Complex Casework Unit, said: 'Lucy Letby has continually denied that she tried to kill this baby or any of the babies that she has been convicted of murdering or attempting to murder. The jury has heard all of the detailed evidence including from her in her own defence and formed its own view.

'Our case included direct evidence from a doctor who walked into the nursery to find a very premature baby desaturating with Letby standing by, taking no action to help or to raise the alarm. She had deliberately dislodged the breathing tube in an attempt to kill her.

'Staff at the unit had to think the unthinkable – that one of their own was deliberately harming and killing babies in their care.

'Letby dislodged the tube a further two times over the following few hours in an attempt to cover her tracks and suggest that the first dislodgment was accidental. These were the actions of a cold-blooded, calculated killer.

'The grief that the family of Baby K have felt is unimaginable. Our thoughts remain with them and all those affected by this case at this time.'

FantasticFlamingo957

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The judge tells Letby the sentencing will take place on Friday, adding: "You will be here for that."

Looks like she'll have to appear for this sentencing?

towapa

Yeah, they made it law now.

Edit: sorry, just to clarify that the others are correct in the replies. They can't FORCE her kicking and screaming on the actual day, but if she says no, she will lose a lot of privileges, so it's likely she will attend sentencing.

The new powers offered to judges were an extra two years imprisonment. Power to physically compel prisoners to a particular location already existed, but I doubt they'd drag her kicking and screaming.

I wonder if she will be offered an inducement to attend.

Camera-Realistic

Just strap her to a dolly like Hannibal Lecter and wheel her in there.

This. Definitely this.

LSossy16

What’s the logic behind making them appear for the sentencing? Just curious.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/offenders-to-be-ordered-to-attend-sentencing#:~:text=Our%20reforms%20will%20give%20judges,condemnation%20ringing%20in%20their%20ears.

Sentencing is when victim impact statements are read, and when the judge's comments of the crime related to the sentence are delivered.

Our reforms will give judges the power to order offenders to come to court to hear the impact of their crimes directly from victims, so that they begin their sentences with society’s condemnation ringing in their ears.

LSossy16

Ahh makes sense, thank you!

Screw_Pandas

They can't force you to appear but you could get time added to your sentence if you don't.

kateykatey

I mean, she’s likely going to get another whole life order, so I’m not sure how much can be added to that

Screw_Pandas

Which is why I don't think she will turn up to sentencing again.

They changed the law but it makes no difference to people like her. They can only use "reasonable force" so if she wants she can resist and they can't do anything.

bbtotse

Reasonable in that context means reasonable for the task at hand. Physically placed in a restraint chair yes, dragged by her hair all the way no.

queeniliscious

She loses privileges in prison should she refuse and given that she has her key, she won't want to give that up

Laylelo

What does it mean to have her key?

It means she can run and hide from any rough justice from fellow prisoners who don’t take kindly to her crimes. I’m not advocating any violence BTW. More violence would of course achieve nothing.

Pristine-Pay-1697

Have a key to their own cell, stop others people (not staff) from entering.

Laylelo

Thank you!

julialoveslush

What sort of privileges

FantasticFlamingo957

Aah good, I should think so too!

mini__couper

They should make it so that you lose all future rights of appeal and / or consideration for early release on parole if you don’t attend sentencing (I appreciate second one wouldn’t be of any benefit to letby, but the first one would perhaps motivate her)

sanandrios

She'll sit there with that stupid blank expression just like when she was arrested. Detestable.

According to one of the articles above, she stared at the floor when the closing comments by the judge were read out! So it’s likely.

*edit - spelling

Camera-Realistic

Last time she was sentenced she was permitted to stay in her cell so she wouldn’t have to hear what the judge had to say. Totally Worthless.

I respect that this trial has been about Baby K and I don't want to disrespect the parents of Baby K when I say that I wish it was also possible for all the impact statements from the first trial to also be read out afterwards to LL when she attends for sentencing on Friday. LL will only turn up out of self-interest and cowardice.

obstacle___1

It has been reported today for the first time that Nick Johnson spent 8 minutes reading out various parts of the sentencing remarks at the start of this retrial as Lucy sat in the dock...forced to listen, I bet she HATED that...!

ReginaGeorgian

Oh good

They can't physically drag her can they? She could refuse.

Astra_Star_7860

Wonder if it will be televised?

MegaMugabe21

Trials aren't televised in the UK.

Yes but the judge's sentencing remarks can be. They were for the original trial.

controversial_Jane

She’s evil. I cannot comprehend it. As a nurse, I’m so angry that she used our profession to cause harm. I can see burn out negligence but actual harm, I just cannot imagine.

When I first heard about her arrest, my first thought was that someone had had a mental health crisis & done something terrible as a result. As an ex-neonatal nurse I could well believe it. Never crossed my mind that there was a serial killer on a neonatal unit.

lovelivesforever

I know, incomprehensible, even with the explanations of motive. The only positive here is how very, very rare a nurse like this is, but sadly impossible to predict

wtafseriously

I haven’t come across anything about motive, would you mind sharing?

Low-Huckleberry-3555

I feel so much for the parents of the babies she killed or tried to kill. I also feel a bit for her parents too, I imagine trying to come to terms with your child doing something like this is almost unbearable

jaderust

Especially with this baby I bet the parents are just eaten up wondering if she hadn't had her breathing tube tampered with, could she have survived. Clearly, they didn't charge her with murder so they don't think her actions directly lead to the baby's death, but as a parent you still have to wonder if it would have made a difference.

Or just realizing that someone on the baby's medical team did something to cause that tiny baby pain when she only had a few days to live. Poor thing needed kindness and Letby did something on purpose to cause her pain.

Monstrous.

Bellebaby97

I think the reason they didn't charge her with murder was because it would be too hard to prove the link between Letbys action and the baby's sad death. For example in the other murder cases you can say here's Letby doing something, baby crashes, baby dies within the space of a few minutes or hours (or repeatedly in some cases).

Where's with baby K you'd have to show Letbys action on one day led to her death days later in a different hospital, so if the defence could even put in a small doubt that baby K might have died anyway or that something might have happened at the other hospital (poor or incorrect care all the way to another murderer) then she couldn't be found guilty. It was easier for them to prove she carried out an act and she intended for that act to end baby Ks life than prove that that act did then end her life a few days later.

I imagine baby Ks family believe Letbys actions led to the death of their child whether or not it can be proved in a court.

Yes, her crimes bring up complex feelings. First and foremost for her victims and the families but I also find myself wondering about her parents. Their non attendance this time could be for various reasons including for their own safety fears but they’re not that young and this could have also severely affected them. It’s also terrible to know the impact of their intervention defending LL to her employers but they surely believed she was innocent and like a lot of parents wanted to protect their daughter.

I wonder if her parents have any kind of support. I assume (and hope!) there will be plenty offered to the victims’ families but I imagine her parents would be shells of themselves- in a way they’re victims too

Similar_Routine_4848

The mum's behaviour was terrible at the last trial. She's a nasty piece of work and I suspect we will be hearing more about her in the future serial killer documentaries

I'd probably have been the same, to be honest.

needwineforthis

That’s very interesting! I didn’t know the mother was problematic, what did she do during the trial?

She would make comments out loud about how her daughter is innocent, this isn’t right, etc.

FellFellCooke

This is a stunning failure of empathy, itself befitting the stereotypical serial killer.

mrsbergstrom

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It’s very unlikely her parents are both decent people if they raised someone capable of serial killing babies, save your sympathy

Low-Huckleberry-3555

Good parents can produce bad adults. Perhaps you should try some empathy. You know just as much as me but are happy to say that? Jeez

Dr. Jayaram witnessed Lucy Letby allowing a baby to proceed towards death after trying to kill her. Lucy Letby was caught in the act.

Hopefully he feels some solace.

honeybirdette__

Two separate juries have found her GUILTY. That Speaks volumes. Hopefully this shuts up these conspiracy theorist nutters. It’s OVER

WellWelshMe

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The first jury didn't find her guilty... hence the retrial, where on earth did you get that from?

honeybirdette__

Are you being smart? Two separate juries have listened to evidence and both have found her guilty of murdering and/or attempting murder a baby or babies.

bellatrix99

Yes they did. On every other count. Just this one they couldn’t decide. She’s already serving a whole life order.

Not quite every other count, just to clarify. There were two NG verdicts, but for those two she was found guilty of other charges relating to those babies. There were other hung verdicts. This is the only one CPS chose to retry, likely because of the swipe card data and the confusion about sedation and surfactant in the first trial.

Celestial__Peach

The right decision I couldnt see any other outcome based on public information/media. Does anyone know how long they deliberated. I wonder what things proved her guilt to the jurors, other than what we know.

Devastating for Baby Ks mother and father I can't stop thinking about them

Under 3 and a half hours. Didn’t take them long at all really. Same here, all the parents who came in to contact with her who lost their babies or who had terrible care, it must be bloody awful!

Opening_Succotash_95

Seems like it was about three or four hours deliberation

She has nothing left to lose now, she might aswell admitt it. 7 life sentences, I'd faint on the spot.

She currently has 14 life sentences, likely to receive a 15th on Friday

I said it before I'll say it again I'd be meeting Jesus that evening. No way I'd live my life in that dump.

SuchaPineapplehead

The prison service can’t afford to let her. They need to keep her alive, for a while anyway but it’s the same with the likes of Myra Hindley and Rose West they had to be kept alive to prove justice was being done.

She’ll be watched and have extra measures so she won’t have unsupervised access to anything she might potentially be able to hurt herself with. If it’s danger from other inmates they’ll move her or put her in isolation

alfranex

The meeting with Jesus would be a short one.

True

MudaThumpa

I'm sure they're watching her closely to prevent that. But I hear ya.

PhysicalWheat

She still has plenty to lose… her parent’ faith in her, her fan club, her own self-delusion.

I do wonder if she will be more content in prison than she was in the outside world. Surely, she is receiving more attention now, from detractors and supporters, than she ever did on the unit at Countess of Chester.

burgundybreakfast

Yeah, someone who can kill babies without blinking an eye is likely not the type of person who would have a reasonable grasp on reality. I’m sure she still has plenty to lose in her head.

…yes but she lives in a different shade of reality from most people…

She can lose her prison privileges if she doesn’t show.

wanaseesuttenquick

I wonder why she likes to kill babies

cherrycocoakoala

Attention, some weird munchausens by proxy thing and addiction to drama. I don't think she saw them as actual humans. I think she saw that when a baby died when she was on shift, she got lots of care and follow ups, people reached out to her to tell her she did all she could, and she got to feed off the parents pain. She's not right in the head.

I think this comment is bang on.

Osfees

Agreed. Harming the babies seemed to feed some void in Letby. And I also think there's a strong element of sadism to her.

wanaseesuttenquick

Hmm the fact she looked up the babies parents 2 years after makes me think otherwise

Why?

wtafseriously

Wdym?

tinned_peaches

It’s so strange. I hope she admits to it in the future and explains herself.

diagnosisreddit

I doubt she will ever admit to it as that would not garner her any sympathy. If she craved people ' caring' about her and admiring her for her stoicism she is not going to turn around and admit that she deserves no sympathy

ConstantPurpose2419

This is one (of the many) reasons why the insane LL conspiracy theorists knocking around (they were apparently outside the court) irritate me so much. They are playing into her perverse “I’m a victim, feel sorry for me” bollocks that she thrives on. If anyone has told her about the group outside protesting her innocence she will be positively thrilled, because it gives her the sort of attention she craves. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if she’s genuinely managed to convince herself by now that she actually is innocent, that she’s the victim of a huge miscarriage of justice, because that’s by far preferable to being a child killer.

diagnosisreddit

Yep Lucy is ALL about the attention

kezia7984

She really does seem to enjoy it doesn’t she.

I think it makes her feel powerful to play God and decide who lives and dies. It’s a control thing.

Chiccheshirechick

Well done jury. Deepest condolences to every baby, parent, friend and extended family involved in this simply abhorrent case. Simply no words left for this monster.

Significant I think that there was no expert witness as in the first trial. Hopefully reporting restrictions on appeal grounds will be lifted very soon.

mini__couper

Hard to instruct an expert on this one. There’s not really an area of “specialist knowledge “ applicable, more just who-do-you-believe ?

One_Post7438

That...was quick! The correct verdict.

I wonder if she'll stay in the cells for her sentencing this time too.

Thank you for your work on these threads.

The judge seems very adamant that she appear.

FantasticFlamingo957

I wonder if there will be more charges to come with all the other babies the police are looking into that were under her 'care' while she was a nurse?

I'd say that was likely. For example, she was on duty for all 13 deaths in her last year on the unit. But we'll see.

SuchaPineapplehead

I’d say it’s a pretty strong chance. She wasn’t necessarily discreet about things.

Embarrassed-Farm-834

I read that they're investigating as many as 30 additional crashes

Aromatic_Razzmatazz

Christ on sale. That's horrific.

SectorRepulsive9795

At least the parents know the truth now. And Letby tried (3 times, no less) and failed to kill baby K. I guess no one knows for sure if any of those attempts led to the baby’s death? If Letby didn’t make those three attempts, would baby K have had a better chance at making it? Or was it inevitable based on how premature she was born? Either way, Letby tried and failed on these attempts on this baby, and still guilty for it. And it was almost like she was insatiable. It never would’ve been enough for her. What an absolute sociopath and waste of oxygen. I hope she lives to be 100 years old.

She was charged initially, but then they chose not to bring evidence and she was declared not guilty. Seems they couldn't prove murder beyond reasonable doubt

SectorRepulsive9795

Thank you for your reply, and thank you for these excellent threads. This is top tier reporting. And yes, declared not guilty in the first trial, only because not enough evidence, and I believe I read somewhere the prosecution made a mistake in the case. Now the case has been settled. Hoping there’s no appeal granted so that the parents can try to move on from this tragedy.

Sadly we will never know. I’m sure not knowing drives the parents crazy.

PippityLongstockings

But the New Yorker told me she was innocent!

thatguyad

The hell do they know?

Osfees

That article still makes me grind my teeth.

nj-rose

She's a f***ing monster.

applepie86

Every time I read about this monster I feel sick. My child was in neonatal at the time she was killing these babies. It’s very hard to stomach that someone who was meant to be caring for them could do something so awful.

Eta my child was in a hospital hundreds of miles away, not the one she worked at.

Few_Awareness2325

My granddaughter was born at the Countess when Letby was there.

Thank god she wasn't premature.

squangles

Like you, my baby was in ICU at the time this happened, but in another county. I think this case has resonated so strongly for me because I know exactly how vulnerable and traumatised you feel as a new parent with such a poorly baby. The nursing staff were so important in keeping us going and feeling that there was a chance for everything to be ok. For one to be actively working against all that is horrific and unthinkable.

Bruh_columbine

Does anyone know why? I just came across this in suggested and I’ve never heard of it, what’s the point? Any reasoning she gave? I’m glad she’ll rot in any case.

tomoldbury

Nobody knows. Speculation around things like Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy and related conditions but unless she admits it, it is unlikely that she will be formally diagnosed. And she would still need to make that info public (or it would need to come out in a court case).

tinned_peaches

She’s still denying it.

Nobody knows and she’s still denying everything. People speculate it’s a form of munchausen by proxy disorder or an obsession with drama, garnering attention and sympathy for always being on shift when babies died.

Some speculate that she was doing it to get attention from a male doctor she was likely attracted to, creating a medical emergency so he would come in to try to save the victims.

Climate_Additional

I doubt we'll ever know. Only she can tell us for certain and It's unlikely she'll ever admit to anything.

i_dont_believe_it__

Great news! I wonder if any stories will now come out about her that might help explain how the hell she ended up being like this.

WellWelshMe

Another WLO on Friday then?

seems likely. And another victim impact statement

Astra_Star_7860

Does anyone know if her parents have been there throughout, like last time?

Letby's parents did not attend this trial. Janet Cox and her husband did; they were the only personal support that attended.

joshii87

I’d like her parents to be living it up in the Bahamas tbh. Lucy who?

SuchaPineapplehead

And leave their precious baby girl to rot in prison all alone? Never!

Well they left her alone for the retrial, so it’s possible that they have decided to cut ties with her.

reddressxo

Who is Janet Cox, sorry?

boonsha

She’s a co-worker and her “best friend”, she was the one sitting alongside Letby’s parents for the first trial

reddressxo

Oh of course thanks!

13thEpisode

This was never in doubt. No matter how many times Letby refused to correct the prosecutors misinterpretation of swipe data… no matter how much Lucy’s cunning “forgetfulness” and manipulation of hospital records forced updates to the timeline… no matter much her supporters tried to undermine contempt of court laws by spreading illegal “investigations” written by ppl that never even worked in that hospital and dealt with its challenges…. One thing was always clear: it is - and now always will be - beyond doubt that an esteemed Doctor, and not the baby killing nurse, told the closest thing to the truth. Congrats to the prosecutors for getting justice for Child K, the most vulnerable of babies. Even if she didn’t kill this baby, I hope the child’s parents get a modicum of relief from their anguish over Child Ks undeserved passing.

wls63

If she appeals will there be a continued media ban?

Reporting restrictions are to avoid contaminating potential jurors, and there is no jury at appeal.

That said surely the chances of an attempt to appeal this one in isolation is unlikely.

The only remaining point of interest for me is if the court of appeal certify any of the grounds of appeal as being of general public importance.

This legal saga appears very close to an end.

Oh, Myers will definitely apply. He'll cite the bit about the line snapping, even though he got a curative instruction for the jury. Probably will claim another ground as well.

Do you know if barristers have an obligation to consider the likelihood of success when making applications?

Counsel are obliged to give an opinion to their client on possible avenues of appeal. The opinion would consider case law - have these issues been successful in similar cases or not, is this area settled law or is there a question mark over it. The potential for success would be considered as part of that opinion.

And can a client's decision to reject that advice be used in determining their eligibility for legal aid?

No I don't believe so, good question though!

ETA: that's if there's been no change in representation I guess. If (hypothetically) LL's counsel said there was no reasonable ground for appeal and LL went looking for someone else, I suspect a fresh application for legal aid would be required.

Presumably advice from counsel would be invisible to any body determining legal aid eligibility, so I suppose I was wondering if counsel had to attest anything in determining if it was to be allowed.

Ah I get you! That's why you have to seek leave to appeal rather than being able to immediately appeal. It helps sift through baseless cases. It's also not really in anyone's interests to pursue baseless grounds. It doesn't get the convicted person anywhere and it looks bad for the professionals involved.

Wipedout89

What media ban are you talking about?

Scarlet_hearts

I think they mean the “ban” which meant the dodgy New Yorker article couldn’t be published in the UK. It wasn’t a ban but rather journalistic standards which that article did not stick to. Now it’s all over I think it should all be fine, but the article is still a load of shit which ignores insane amounts of evidence.

nj-rose

I was gobsmacked reading that article. I like a news article that looks at both sides and is balanced, but this was not it remotely. It was absolutely deplorable.

Otome_Chick

The amount of my fellow Americans who read that article and immediately screamed about how Letby was an innocent scapegoat for a corrupt system in the evil UK was insane to me.

Wipedout89

Ah yes, funny how an article that's full of mistruths can't be published at a time it could be seen by a jury

Opening_Succotash_95

It can be in the US it seems, which is just another thing wrong with that system.

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Suspected is hopefully a better word than knew. Certainly he did not have a set of convictions to build his idea about what he witnessed on at the time.

There will be an inquiry, why not save the criticisms until it reports?

dr-broodles

The senior doctors did repeatedly raise the alarm… the hospital managers dismissed their concerns.

The question I hope the inquiry addresses is under what circumstances should a clinician address concerns directly to the police in future.

roompk

This is a powerful question. If a criminal / harmful act is suspected then maybe staff should be professionally obligated to alert a specialist National police department who will then be able to look for patterns, discuss anonymised reports with management, conduct investigations.This might solve the issue wrt whistleblowing and also pick up harmful agency staff who move around the country

middyandterror

Was he not one of the consultants that went to the hospital boss about it all and basically got denied at every turn and threatened with the GMC?

Yes, he had to apologise to her in mediation too!

middyandterror

Absolutely insane. I hope those hospital bosses get what's coming to them!

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dr-broodles

He raised the alarm - hospital managers suppressed him.

Yes, fair, I was referring to his comments in the ITV interview where he expresses that he wished he had done more, and several more babies might be alive.

Shylablack

Was she already convicted previously for this?

Her first trial was for 22 charges and only reach 16 verdicts. Thus is one of the 6 that did not previously reach a verdict and was the only one brought for retrial.

Shylablack

Thank you, re listening to the podcast.

Anyone know what her reaction was? Was she crying or sitting there stoney faced and not showing emotion? I think her sentence is the worst ever handed down to a female offender.

During one victim statement, she sat blank faced staring at the floor.

i mean what do you expect her to do? smile?

Will she serve time in a actual prison cell I remember a picture of her room and it looked like a little flat! Better be a shit prison and I hope she rots in there for what she did.

According to this article as long as other prisoners have strong emotions against her, so a long time

Similar_Routine_4848

She's never been in HMP Low Newton.

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Edit: only on reddit would this be downvoted lmao, imagine being a apologist for Lucy letby

If you scroll down her room looks really nice, that's the room I was on about, she should be on a concrete slab, no nice furniture, nice bed linen and all those nice hair and skin products (wtf) wouldn't be suprised if she has a TV in there ffs.

Is that going to be her room?

AllTheLads420

I mean, I wouldn't call that "really nice" personally.

But also, she is 34 years old and healthy, meaning she could well live for another 50+ years, and has zero chance of ever being released.

That's 50+ years where she could have been getting married, having kids, grandkids, going on holidays, etc, etc, instead she is going to spend it all in that room by herself.

Honestly, it sounds worse than death to me

It looks like a college dorm room. Even better, because it doesn’t have two beds and she doesn’t have to share it.

-1

What a completely stupid thing to say. It’s not better than a college dorm room because you’re allowed a phone in a college dorm room and you’re not going to spend most hours of every day for the rest of your life locked in it.

karma3001

That’s someone else’s room isn’t it? Her room is probably similar. All rooms have to have the basics otherwise the prison would be in trouble.

She’ll never get married, she’ll never have kids, she’ll never have another pet, she’ll never fraternise with anybody that’s not a criminal or a guard, she’ll never get to go for a walk on the beach, she’ll never go on holiday, she’ll never have a mobile phone, she’ll never get to have a glass of wine, she’ll never get to spend Christmas with family, she’ll never get to drive a car, she’ll always be worried that somebody might throw boiling water on her face.

Yes, she may have a relatively clean and comfortable cell, but it can be the nicest hotel suite in the world (it’s not though) and being forced to live there and never leave for the rest of your days is still a really terrifying and horrible prospect.

RowBig8091

That's not her room. The caption clearly states its a prisoners cell but it's not hers.

Yes but that's obviously an example of what her cell will be also be like...

She deserves a grey boring small room with a metal bed and metal toilet in the corner, that's it.

Who cares? It can be the nicest hotel room in the world but it’s still hell if you can’t ever leave it and live a life.

Yes that's good she can't ever leave.

But in answer to your question "Who cares" the mothers of the babies she killed care. The babies that didn't get to live their life care.

She deserves worse, so definitely the absolute BARE MINIMUM for what she did.

Punishment is an entirely arbitrary and abstract concept, it’s impossible to definitely argue what level of punishment is fit for any crime as people will always have differing opinions.

Giving her a worse cell will not bring back any of the victims and it will not make society any safer. Her punishment is still very harsh, even if she has a clean cell.

Yes and that's my opinion ( That she should have bare minimum, like death row) and this is shared by most people with a basic functioning moral compass, cheers

You can continue to advocate for a baby killer to have a nice room, weird hill to die on, but all the best to you

MoseSchrute70

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Saying that it doesn’t matter what the room looks like isn’t remotely the same as “advocating for a nice room”. The punishment is confinement, loss of freedom and the inability to inflict further harm. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what the room looks like, despite what people WANT her conditions to be like.

thatguyad

Absolute sicko.

ShoddyAd8395

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I can't believe this

ConstantPurpose2419

Looks like you’re the only one.

ShoddyAd8395

I didn't mean it in a way where I think she's innocent. I'm just shocked that justice seems to have been done

GeologistRecent9408

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Statistically Baby K's chances of survival at birth were below 50% and her chances of growing into a healthy vigorous adult even lower. She was more or less at the limit of survivability. There was no demonstrable link between the cause of her death and what happened to her at CoCH

That’s why she was tried for attempted murder, and not murder. All the prosecution had to do was prove that Letby tried to kill her, not that her actions definitely resulted in the baby’s death.