BSG on the other hand . . . less so
On a discussion about Battlestar Galactica. Completely disagree, the ending of Lost was beautiful.
I’m with you!
Seems to me that Game of Thrones has the biggest claim to that title by all metrics. With How I Met Your Mother coming in a far distant second.
agree, along with Dexter they would be my top 3 worst finales I think.
Dexter was the worst for me, but then it led to New Blood where they redeemed it imo. The show is far from perfect, but I thought it was entertaining and loved the last 2 episodes.
Cmon now....who has a better story that Bran The Broken? You know, the guy that did fuck all except be dragged around in a cart and hugged trees?
I agree with those assessments. And would also add Star Trek Enterprise to the list.
Literal facts, Game of Thrones was just a high school book report written by someone who didn't read the book (literally) and How I Met Your Mother was more like Why I should Bang Your Aunt
I mean to be fair, the GOT source material is still in season four/five. So the showrunners are literally off book because GRRM has no concept of a deadline. (Winds of Winter is like what, a decade overdue?)
But, everyone except the show runners wanted them to take it slower. The network (of course, they never want shows to end), the actors, GRRM.
But D and D had enough and wanted to do star wars. So they rushed the story, and because everyone hated the ending, they lost the star wars gig
Oh, I don't disagree at all that it was rushed.
The last book came out like 6 months before the first episode of the show lmao. All time troll job by GRRM honestly
Both finales make me weep.
Me too. But for VERY different reasons. 😂
Got 'em
at first i hated it, only saw it once, so disappointing
but then I saw it a year later
OH
MY FUCKING
GOD
what a closure! i ugly cried
so good.
Both BSG and Lost have finales that are misunderstood. I thought they were both brilliant.
I dont understand what was wrong with bsg finale. Was it too happy of an ending or what?
Same. It was great, I don't understand what the problem was
I also don't know but could only imagine they don't like the spiritual aspect of the show?
And how Balthasars and #9's "copy" (?) talked in the end ?
You mean Baltar and Caprica 6?
Oh shit yeah, sorry.
Yeah. God exists. Starbuck died and came back as an "angel" and those two are basically an extension of God's will and they take that form because that'd what we have seen while they manipulated.
Agree completely. Both shows had brilliant finales if the watcher was actually paying attention
Same. I don’t think you’ll ever be able to please everyone but I thought they tied everything up nicely!
Coming from a discussion about Battlestar Galactica, that's rich. And I like the end of that show for the most part, but accepting that the fractured, always in disagreement populace of the colonial fleet would just agree to scuttle all of their modern conveniences and "start over," live off the land was a contrivance too far for me. Emotionally, it was decent and affecting. But that part keeps me from accepting it as a "great" ending.
Lost's ending isn't anything like that. If you watched the show, it all flows from everything that came before. There aren't any hard left turns like the magical agreement of 1000s of people to do something they'd never have agreed to do at any point before in the show.
Oh yeah that ship part was the only thing I found ridiculous. They should have had a sun flare or something and knock out everything on the ships, or the ships slowly weren't able to be fixed over the centuries...anything other than welp we don't need these anymore.
I actually liked the ending to both Battlestar Galactica..... and LOST. Although, I felt the final three seasons of LOST weren't as good as the first three.
Got was the worst
LOST worse than GoT, fam.
Respect your take though.
I'm not sure what show you watched but Losts ending is an art piece brother. GOT was a mess of writers literally saying they wouldn't work on the show anymore so it had to end.
You're implying that LOST was not a mess of a show, correct?
Nope, no implications.
The writers of Game of Thrones ended early and cut out George RR Martin after the 5th season. Stating that they were done working on the show and they were ending it as fast as possible.
Whether Lost was a mess throughout or not is irrelevant, the ending of the show, the final season as a whole was significant. Lost was written as a 3 season show that was forced by network to continue. So what I'm saying is the end of GOT felt like people giving up, while the ending of Lost was filled with care and love for our characters.
I'd say that everyone is fairly entitled to their own opinion, but in this sub that just isn't true. See you in another life, brother
Uh...
What are you talking about man? Sideways remarks that try to discredit you?
We're talking about television shows.
Problem with that take is that Lost got much worse after each season so by the end there wasnt much of a cliff to fall off
Meanwhile i think GoT S7 was probably one of the better seasons. Especially afer like comically bad moments like the battle where Stannis is the first to climb up the ladder at kings landing on what feels like a theater set.
Neither show is perfect. Both shows did great things.
Both, to me, are examples of where the show was written into a corner and the only way out was some silliness
Lost writers wrote themself into a corner, GoT guys just cut major threads and rushed to the exit.
With good planning they couldve wrapped up the show in 2-3 seasons and solve all the open ends. George was giving direction on how he planned to close it, given they deviated more with each season, but still.
All i have now is my dying hope for winds of winter and a dream of spring.
I watched a lot of supplemental content on the creation of LOST, and I can tell you that The writers of that show did not have a plan for every plot point or unanswered question.
It was not a masterfully conceived swiss watch, and I don't feel like it is difficult to see that while viewing. That said, it was really ambitious, and I think they made the best show that they could, given inexperience and other factors outside of their control.
Yeah Ive seen some of that. Its a miracle the show got this far.
And its why I dislike JJ so much. His idea is: introduce an intriguing plot and worry about solving it later.
The show continuity surpassed the continuity of the novels as far as how far along in the plot the narrative went. I don't think they had a choice other than "write it ourselves" or "stop making GoT until which point there are more novels"
In your wet dreams, maybe... even season 4 tops any season after season 4 in Got
Even wetter than The Island.
Nah. Seeing King’s Landing get burned down was pretty fucking epic. Compared to Des creepin’ around purgatory, running people over n shit, to organise a Driveshaft concert in Widmore’s back garden.
Writing was clusterfuck though
This whole sub is basically "If you aren't here to blow LOST, get out".
I can appreciate that the Game of Thrones finale was divisive. I find it hilarious that people criticize its writing while saying that LOST is one of the best shows they've ever seen.
From someone who has both a BSG and a LOST tattoo - why talk about either of these endings when Dexter is RIGHT THERE.
Right? I don’t think you could find a single person out there who could defend Dexter’s ending
Michael C Hall must have like whiplash going from the best series finale in TV history (Six Feet Under) to the absolute worst.
I thought it was bad when he (who should have died on his table) but then he and like WHAT??? Dexter should have ended after season four. I watch season five because I love Julia Stiles but the dive in quality was REAL.
And then they thought it wasn’t bad enough so they made New blood…
Yeah agreed! I’m rewatching it now for the first time in over a decade and wow I really forgot how good the first few seasons were. Not looking forward to the drop in quality but it was still pretty fun for most of it
Honestly, season eight started out SO promising and then went off a cliff, lol.
The Island was saved in the end. Sideways is nowhere real, but it is some point of letting go for all. The whole show is indeed about humanities quest to protect what is sacred and ultimately becoming distracted by power. Only Christian Shepard walked through the glowing doors and the light was just a motif. The wreckage during the credits proves it all actually happened. All the characters are massively flawed. Hurley and Walt are still special. A spinoff will rise up at some point.
Whenever I see people complain about Lost or BSG endings I know in that moment that TV really does just go over people's heads.
Exactly, they were both masterpieces of finales. Especially for two very long running shows.
Media literacy is sometimes just not a skill people possess. 😔
Jack kills the MIB and sacrifices himself to save the world, Hurley takes over. What the hell else did people want? To me it's a satisfying end to the Island story. The church scene and flash sideways is basically a season long epilogue after death, which to me is creative as fuck. It was a great and emotional way to say goodbye to all the characters.
I remember watching a Youtuber talking about the ending and they said "People wanted a Scooby Doo ending where they rip the mask off and say MR. JENKINS YOU WERE THE ISLAND THE WHOLE TIME?! And then they explain it like a power point presentation." I think it's the best explanation I've heard of what these finale hater's expectations were.
What are BOTH of these people on? Lost's ending was a masterpiece, and Battlestar's ending was fantastic as well...that whole show was spectacular IMO and is up there with Lost for my favorite shows of all time...
I don't really like the ending personally, but I don't think it's awful.
Most people just watched it and ignored the bit where (I think) Christian said that everything that happened to them really happened. They just kind of went "Ah ha! I knew it was purgatory all along!" and that was that. Even though that's not what happened at all. It wasn't a bad ending, they just didn't understand it.
Battlestar had a perfectly fine ending.
I liked both endings.
Gane of Thrones, Dexter, How I Met Your Mother, and Penny Dreadful have the worst endings
Lost was fine
I heartily agree with both sentiments.
I'm actually very content with the ending of Lost. It had a bittersweet taste for me at first but now it's mostly this heartwarming feeling I get thinking about it.
The ending of lost was cheap and not as good as the planned volcano ending. To me the show could have ended when Juliet completed the time loop. I know this may be a hot take but with the exception of dr.Linus, across the sea, and ab aeterno season 6 may have been a net negative. I wish they had more of a sci-fi ending than the fantasy ending they went with but that is more of a reflection of my taste in media than the quality of the ending. I wish the ending just took one step deeper into time travel sending the island back in time and locking one or two characters into the origin of the island making the entire island a bootstrap paradox and chalking all magical elements of the island up to universal course correction.
Good character endings tho. (Exept sayid and Claire)
It felt kind of odd that they devoted a whole season at the end to them getting ready for the afterlife or whatever it was. Like what did that have to do with the island? Couldn't the x files have ended the same way just as meaningfully? (Obligatory, I know they weren't dead the whole time)
The show is not about the island, it's about the people. The ending brought it back to what made it great to begin with: excellent character writing.
There are a lot of shows about "people" though. My point is the whole afterlife adventure didnt have anything to do with the preceding events and could just as easily be tacked on to almost any show about "people".
Sure it did. It gave resolution to the characters, around which all preceding events revolved. That's like saying the end of the Sandlot where the narrator tells what happened to all the kids afterwards had nothing to do with the movie.
I suppose any other show could do a similar ending, but now that Lost has done it, it would look a lot like ripping the idea from Lost. Aside from the fact that the decision was incredibly divisive.
I am not sure what you are objecting to exactly. The Island story was fully resolved, MIB defeated, Hurley is Protector aided by Ben, the remaining Losties went back to the mainland.
But since the show is primary theme is about the importance of Bonds between people and friends (Live together, Die Alone was in S1 btw), the writers ussd the Sideways as a device to show that these bonds extend beyond life and are as important after death, to help each other move on.
Agreed. A waste of a good premise. Season 6 was the beginning of the end in more ways than one.
Jack needed a lot of time to remember himself, after being the smoke monster for a ton of years. Reconnecting to humanity took him awhile.
Am I the only one on this sub who fully understands the ending and thinks it’s awful?
I know different opinion so the downvotes are probably swarming in. But seriously a show that started so scientific, and even a show that developed to be as mythical as it was should never straight up show all the characters meeting after death, that’s just weird and dumb
Did it really start so scientific though? Episode 1 had a monster roaming the jungle and pulling a pilot out of a plane and putting it on top a tree.
Episode 4 revealed John was paralyzed and magically able to walk after the crash
Episode 5 had jack chasing the ghost of his father.
Other things in season 1 such as magic numbers etc.
So much of the mystical things that happened later on in the show if you go back and re watch had so many seeds planted for them in the first 2 seasons
The difference is what you leave out. Yes mysteries are introduced that seem insanely out there but every single mystery that gets solved in season 1 is rooted in logic and science, no exceptions (feel free to prove me wrong if you find something different admittedly it’s been a while but I’m still confident enough to make this claim). By doing this the creators show us that every mystery has a pattern of being rooted in reality.
Episode 1 that monster sounded mechanical (I believe, the mechanical sound may have been introduced later)
Episode 4 impact to nerves or something admittedly I’m not too sure on this one
Episode 5 hallucinations, but it’s also revealed that he was on the plane too
And you mean the numbers that are specifically claimed to be arbitrarily made up by dharma and even after learning that it’s real are later confirmed to be a part of a super powerful math equation, and are in no way “magic numbers”? (hurleys bad luck is just insanely bad coincidence/possible insanity)
No, so many things were taken from early seasons and developed and changed to be mystical. How do I know this? The creative team straight up said multiple times that every mystery would be rooted in reality.
Your very argument works against you. The show was never grounded in science, it was intentionally open to interpretation. The whole shtick was an argument between science and faith. Everything you've listed as scientific is just as easily interpreted as fantastic in the Todorovian sense.
Mother was a smoke-monster, and John's father smelt of Elderberries!
I can definitely respect what you're saying, and I don't think you deserve downvotes for your opinion. I do think, while the creators didn't want to start the show off by calling it "magic", eventually you follow logic far enough and the answer is magic. Even in reality! Where did life come from? There's a lot of ideas, but eventually you ask enough "but then where does that come from?" questions, and the answer is magic. Where did our universe come from? Eventually, the answer is magic. Now, would you say that our lives, our understandings, aren't based in science? Well sure they are, but only to the extent of things that are knowable. Same for Lost.
Nope I actually dislike the vast majority of the final season because of it devolving into the fairytale good vs evil stuff that was way less interesting than the more scientific based mythology of the first 5 seasons. Not saying everything needed a scientific explanation, but I think it was a weird shift in Season 6 after the time travel season.
It’s a show exploring the dichotomy of science vs faith pretty much the whole time, season 5 leaned a lot more science and season 6 went more faith with the mystical aspects it delved into in the story. It didn’t come out of no where. You can not like the execution sure, but it’s not like it came out of nowhere
Mysticality is the inevitable result of trying to tell a story of "why are we here?" The answer must always be magic, because we don't know why we're here. The problem is people wanting a scientific explanation to an unknowable question. Their problem isn't with Lost, it's with the universe itself.
I don't think anyone fully understands the show because a lot of it was not really fully accounted for.
But as far as what is understood to have happened (dumb, or not) I understand it and still think it is awful.
The finale, not the show. I agree nobody can fully understand the entire show
Nope, not the only one. I openly detest the series finale of Lost. Stopped rewatching Lost altogether for several years because of it. I've made peace with the series as a whole now, but still have bad sentiments towards the final season and finale.
Appreciate some differing reviews! Whenever I’ve said this previously on this sub I’ve gotten the whole “you’re so stupid you think they were dead the whole time” shtick and that if I did get it I’d understand it’s a masterpiece and people wouldn’t let me correct them or say my opinion at all
Oh my God always this. It happens so often I've begun defending the people who think they were dead, just because everyone's so condescending.
Originally when the Finale aired, there was B-roll footage ABC ran before the start of the next show - as a palate cleanser for the emotional deluge.
So the finale episode ends, then this B-roll footage as the credits roll. The footage was leftover from when they were shooting the original crash scenes, or something close to this. So no bodies, just wrecked plane.
And that was during the final television broadcast.
It makes 100% sense why some people would have interpreted that they were dead the entire time.
I watched lost knowing the ending would be disappointing (not actual spoiler but friend who suggested the show mentioned not to expect too much from island mystery)…i started bsg knowing absolutely nothing about it and till date have not finished the series..!!
I honestly cry every time I see that final scene where two characters get into that raptor together.
I wanted to trash my TV after the Battlestar Galactica series finale. I enjoyed the Lost series finale and found it moving. It wasn't what I would have expected it to be after watching through (say) season three, but by the time I'd sat through six seasons, it seemed right to me.
It was beautiful.
It was beautiful, but a tad convoluted with all the confusion about flashback/flashforward/deadoralive/yaddayaddayadda
I tried watching Battlestar Galactica in 2016 but didn't care enough to keep watching past Season 1. I know a little bit of how the series ends. It's revealed that but I predicted that based on the ending of the miniseries episodes and but so that doesn't surprise me either. Is that why the ending is controversial, or is there a lot more I don't know about?
Even if I didn't understand Lost's ending, I still wouldn't think it's the worst ending. That honor has to go to Forever Knight, no contest.
Seems like the only people who don’t like how Lost ended are people who never watched the show. Compare that to GOT where the harshest critics seem to be the most ardent viewers.
LOST started like champagne but finished like Bud-Light.
How about an MGD? It's the champagne of beers!
Okay, sure
The hallmark of a perfect show is knowing how the story is going to end when you make the first episode (like attack on titan) the exact opposite of that would be a show that changes the entire direction every season (like lost)
The whole alternate universe / afterlife thing was a complete waste of time and it didn't offer any closure besides "everybody dies."
Manifest was a shit show after the first season, but at least they committed to it (and it was a terrible ending)
See, I feel like nobody understands GoT. Also, counting against it how it differs from a book series that is unfinished is a weird and irrelevant criticism.
I mean, I really liked both endings (BSG and Lost), so I guess I'm in the minority on both.