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Vasco fans y’all still think eli wasn’t holding back against him?😭
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Fighting a heavily Damaged Gun Is definitely a Very Very big Feat
But vasco fought a healthier gun
vasco Fought Gun at 100% health and damaged him Alongside Zack but Ofcourse Damaging A gun With a Broken Arm, Bleeding from head, looking exactly the same as When he fought Ui Daniel Is much more Impressive
He wasn’t 100%. Vasco already claimed that Gun was tired then…Vasco is significantly weaker than Eli.
"significantly" is a stretch lmao..Eli MIGHT be stronger but he ain't low diffing Vasco bruh it's gonna go high-extreme diff either way..
he ain't low diffing Vasco
Didn't base eli actually no diff base Vasco?
It's not a stretch to say FP eli would no to low diff FP vasco afterall they both have a massive power up from base to FP.
Oh okay so let's use ur logic, so basically ur saying gun is stronger than big UI Daniel? Cuz gun can and has already did no diff base big Daniel but when big Daniel went to UI mode guess who got bodied? Y'all logic makes 0 sense lol..base superman can beat base flash but he ain't beating full power flash(if you read comics you'd know)
Are you legit slow? I'm genuinely asking.
Big daniel is a supernatural being with a body beyond anyone's compare and UI is the technique that lets him make complete use of it.
Comparing perfect body + UI to power ups like animal instincts and Runner high is dumb, no offence but that's true.
You wanna talk about logic but then speak nonsense.
Oh so ur making that excuses now? Gun already beat base big Daniel lol do u even read lookism? We're talking about base and full power here YOU said that if you can no diff someone in base form you can do it too if both of them are going full power and when I gave u an example ur saying it's dumb? How so? It's cuz I'm speaking fax and yo dumb@ss isn't? We already saw gun no diff big base Daniel..base tom lee(current) can probably beat base goo but he gets completely clap by full power goo(with a katana).. please use ur brain properly
You're just yapping without knowing what's logic and what's common sense💀
Bro is comparing perfect body UI daniel to vasco and eli.
Sure bubster
Base Eli is much stronger than vasco and therefore the same can be said about Ai Eli and RH Vasco .
Base gun is stronger than base big Daniel, that don't mean gun is stronger than big UI Daniel💀
Base gun is stronger than base big Daniel,
Base Gun is not stronger than base Big Daniel, equal? Maybe The only reason perfect body Daniel looks weak is because Daniel the one who is in control of sb Daniel wasn't an experienced fighter and Well Daniel is kinda stupid and naive and goofy.
U do realize that base gun is UI gun right? Ur telling me that big Daniel with no forms is stronger than that? It's either u hating on gun or u just the biggest Eli d rider..gun is always on UI it's just the matter if he wants to take the fight seriously or not but non serious gun is beating base big Daniel
It looks like you misunderstood something there. I am actually a Gun stan. I am trying to say that the perfect body is in peak condition and should be strongest physically, the perfect body seems weak because it is controlled by Daniel but think about it if someone like Gun were to fight using the perfect body then he would be much stronger than when the perfect body is in control of someone like Daniel. If it was up to me to decide then I would've made Gun the strongest in the ptj verse
"Significantly" bruh what? Are you saying damaging tired Gun is significantly less impressive than damaging tired bloody Gun with one working arm? At that point the strength of Gun is significantly less
More like eli fought a "significantly weaker" version of gun.
Vasco rawdogs Eli any day
Yeah but Gun is definitely more aggressive here. Trying his best to survive.
Oh wow a stronger and serious Eli going all out attacking in a 3 v1 against a critical injured gun.
Eli isn't stronger lmfao
Eli Jang used his batons as a leash to contain his true nature to kill. If he wants to kill someone, he would use his animal instinct bare hand as we saw from current chapter. He used only batons as he didn't want to kill the kings, just beat them with batons. His true nature to kill is for gun. I wouldn't say he was holding back against vasco though as his batons became a part of him and he could use it fluently. But if he used his intent to kill animal instinct, and manage to dodge vasco's attacks, then yeah Eli would win and vasco would be damaged like gun.
This is it
At the end of the day, that animal instinct didn't do jack shit in terms of killing in the 500+ chapters of lookism. Even going back to the Olly wang fight, Olly wang despite being clawed still manage to throw Eli like he's hulk and then died after jumping off the building. Even now his AI only gave gun that heavy scar, it didn't kill him. But for the purpose of argument, Eli jang could do fatal damage to Vasco had he not stick with the baton. I would also like to see Eli fighting like tom instead of being on a leash all the time.
How many times did PTJ change who is the strongest among the 2nd gens?
Gun mentioned Olly should not seek Eli for fear as he already surpassed him.
Lmfao then why didn’t Eli used this at all when fighting against the kings? Y’all are just brain dead at this point. If he used animal instinct against Vasco he would’ve been heavily damaged by Vasco’s attacks, you know the ones he used the batons to deflect? One style is more defensive and the other more offensive with pros and cons, but they do not heavily change the outcome the way you think it does.
Lot of lookism fans don't read
The comment with the most truth.
Except wasn’t he able to deflect BH attacks with his bare hands while injured? Attack deflection is a result of technique mastery, not weapons.
How tf you know he didn't?
He was reffering to seokdu probably, but yeah, I agree with him. Seokdu was ready to KILL them, literally kill them. If this "wild, no batons" is his peak, he would've thrown them away wtf.
That’s just Headcanon, Eli overwhelms his opponent with AI and beats them this has literally been explained in the past that a weapon is his leash and holds him back from going all out so yes while he would be more defensive with Weapons it wouldn’t matter because he would still destroy Vasco in seconds that so he wouldn’t be able to do anything against him
It’s not headcanon when it can be logically agreed when applied to real world fighting.
trying to apply Logic of real world fighting in lookism is not alright
You right
This! Heavily agree! We know animal instinct still exist BUT it is not some magical power that will make him stronger than the other crew head. He will NOT TANK the attacks of Vasco with Runners High with his animal instinct. His style using batons are actually a better counter than animals instinct against Vasco because the later is actually a very aggressive fighter with his Forbidden Skills.
Also, to ignore that there is a time gap between this fight with Gun vs the 1A fights is not on OPs side. And the fact that Gun is the opponent! Elli and all crew heads will have boosts because they are fighting the man the causes their misery.
Ai does magically make him stronger . Just look at Johan vs Eli for example . Eli can deflect with his hands infact he deflected BH . Vasco too got a time skip like Eli . Eli is also less likely to become stronger during his time skip since he was spending time with Hostel . All he might`ve done is beat the ass of Hudson over and over but that only makes Hudson stronger not Eli . Vasco on the other hand is only focused on punshing the bad guys therefore he is more likely to train
Exactly, Eli himself knew that using Batons is the better option while fighting both Vasco AND Hangyeol, because if he didn’t then he would’ve taken major damage from the get go.
Yeah, if Eli without batons was stronger, then he wouldn't use them as finisher.
He did way more damage without them
Because batons aren't sharp objects.
It's blunt force vs piercing damage.
Fingers are piercing? They're softer and rounder at the edges then batons are
Ever heard of nails?
Try scratch your face very aggressively and hit your head with a baton. See which one of them would give you a cut.
Didn't answer the question, why did he pick them up then?
rare lookism reader who can actually think. why do people think eli switches his attacks up with bare and unarmed? there are uses for both, or he wouldn't have the technique mastery. if his baton really nerfs him overall, he wouldn't use it at all, to kill the man he hates so much... that would be super dumb of him. eli fans are out the woodwork without reading comprehension skills.
i still think eli might/should be stronger than vasco, but not for the 'bu..but he used weapons!!' statement. here he is trying to kill gun. vasco would have also done much better, if his friends were directly hurt by gun. as shown many times, conviction amps you. its just that the crewheads are the main stars of the show now.
Cope
That's just simply not true at all lol
Lmfao ok bro. That’s all you have to say. Nice counter point.
Preach✋️😌
Then.why.the.hell.would.he.use.them.again. Nah, legit question, if AI really is superior then why take the batons again at the end of the fight ?
He is using batons in contagious with his AI .
contagious
Because they were the best option for the moment, a slashing attack in that position isnt as effective as blunt force trauma to the literal back of the head. Why do u think he jumped up in the air? the plan was probably to incapacitate gun with that and then kill him lol
Don't hurt my sentiments😭
Wasn't it already clear that eli is much lethal and vicious without batons?
Im fine with current eli being stronger than current vasco. But it's a blatant lie to say that 1A vasco was weaker than eli
1a eli fought vasco in base
Batons are better defensively, and animal instincts are better offensively. Eli can redirect Vasco's hits and has ap to hurt Vasco, but the deciding factor in that particular fight was speed. Vasco was not only physically stronger than Eli, but he was faster.
Might not be the case now. Because of his training to beat Gun.
He wasn’t faster than Eli until he used that hero mode which was still against a base Eli. And your arguing with the story by saying this gun himself and Tom Lee both said weapons are a nerf to him. Because what kind of animal uses weapons
I think I'll concede. I just dont think that eli would beat vasco even using Ai. In 1A.
ai amps speed + lack of conviction debuffed stats
Allied fans can never win. PTJ loves the crewheads lol. it's sad but what can do
Eli bodies
I feel like we first need to see a bloody tear Vasco on hero mode against Gun to make a statement. Neither Eli or Vasco wanted to kill other no matter the cost in their fight, unlike here.
Yeah he wasn't. But Eli evolved from there to now. I already told this once and I gonna repeat don't do power scalling. What is right today PTJ gonna change tomorrow.
Eli was in a self commiserate place when fought Vasco and now his in pure rage. Besides he kept his Tom Lee extreme training so of course he evolved.
And that's why I tell you guys power scale is waist of time. Soon PTJ gonna make one of the guys receive some special train/motivation/ supernatural stuff and jump up on the tier list.
Bro you’re arguing with the story by saying this because Gun been said that in hostel arc. Tom said it to. What animal uses tools or weapons none.
Ease baby bro I am not arguing just giving another perspective, okay??? let's be friends!
Muriel??? you lost me!
What I am saying is that Eli did the best he could fighting Vasco back them. He had "left behind his savagery" and was focus in what Gun teached him.
Yes Gun said it was to hold back his wild side, not his strenght.
And he trained with Tom and brought it back. So today Eli is stronger than we he fought Vasco, wich doesn't mean, necessarily that he was holding back. He gave 100% them and is given 100%now, but his 100%now is away stronger than when he fought Vasco. Because is PTJ line of thinking.
lol oh naw I’m not attacking you but I’m saying that’s a straight contradiction. He wasn’t focused on any particular style or nothing like that he used his wildness against seokdu. He just wasn’t as strong as he was in 1a. But Eli heart wasnt in the fight against vasco he didn’t like what he was doing and wanted to be stopped right after vasco he went to fight bh by himself and damaged him by himself. Tom taught Eli how to think using his wildness not to be just braid dead which he was.
Great because I am here to make friends, sometimes when we read something we don't get the right intention.
Eli heart wasn't in the fight? I agree with that! But his strenght and techniques? yes they were, although he was "untrained" on Tom style.
Now he is in with his full skills.
Eli has used the slashes a long time ago when he first trained with gun they not new.
Yes you are right. But maybe he just does that when he is in this mad state. Wich goes back to what we talked before. His heart was the different thing in each fight
Lmao the author pulls this stuff Outta his ass and we got people here having passionate arguments about who's stronger. Brotha spend that time studying and thinking about something useful. It's just a comic, read it, enjoy it. If you're gonna think about it, think about the story or make predictions instead of this dumb Eli v Vasco shit.
He isn't it's just that inconsistent writing.
yeah sure he was holding back, thats why he deep thorated metal to him the smashed him to ground.
vasco was gonna win regardless if eli gave up or not, and if you gonna say "but eli wasn't in wild mod!" yeah and? also vasco wasn't fighting with a bad guy or crying blood, having kaioken doesn'T change facts when u can'T use them
If they had a rematch Eli would win
Fr they can cope now lol
Allied fans per usual.
Eli was going easy on him because there was sale on supermarket and he wanted to finish the fight as soon as possible
while eli is stronger this doesnt debunk anything shown lmao
I’m just responding to those idiots who said eli with baton is strong as animal instincts eli
Eli fought with batons against sinu gun and vasco nothing is idiotic about saying eli is stronger with batons
Against Vasco he was holding back . There was only 1 panel of Eli using batons against Gun . Against Sinu he was using batons to block IA and the fight was off screen (so, most probably he didn`t only use batons). When Eli is without batons he uses AI which gives him a big boost .
you clearly read with your eyes closed
no there wasnt go reread the chapter even at the end of the fight eli used batons
Just look at today's fight, Eli did more damage without the batons
and yet in his final attack before gun beat him he was using batons lmao
to even land his wild attack he used his batons do distract gun
Sore loser lmao
Sounds like a he problem again, Vasco whooped his a$$. GN
Eli walked it off and had a way more serious fight right afterwards
Doesn't matter, who won the fight? Vasco did, while Eli was on the floor
Eli let him win... It was more a moral victory then a physical one for Vasco, Vasco got exactly what he wanted by bringing Eli back to Hostel
Eli couldn't even react to his attacks, once he went runners mode.
90% of the blows Vasco got on him were after Eli decided to abandon Workers
Vasco only hit him once, Eli blocked the other attacks.
Huh? Re-read the chapter.
Bro was on a defensive stance
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You’ve stopped giving actual arguments and instead devolved to insulting. Top tier lookismcomic moment I truly love it.
Vasco whooped his a$$, verdict is what matters
That's like saying if I jumped an unconscious boxer and beat him up, the "verdict" is that I won a fight against him.
The result matters but it isn't everything, you need to actually look at how the fight went.
That's like saying if I jumped an unconscious boxer and beat him up, the "verdict" is that I won a fight against him.
Eli was neither unconscious or damaged, both were at full health. Eli couldn't even react or defend or deflect those attacks once Vasco went runner mode
you need to actually look at how the fight went.
Yeah, Eli couldn't react to Vasco's attacks.
It was a metaphor..
Ok, but Eli's incompetence is his own fault and your statement doesn't disapprove my other statements too
Aww, now that their arguments are falling, the poor things are being defensive and acting tough like they don't care
There’s pro’s and con’s to this fighting style, alongside the one with his batons.
If he used Animal Instinct against Vasco he would’ve been sacrificing his main defense in exchange for offensive which would’ve left him even more battered after his fight.
Let’s learn to read next time, as well as use the muscle inside our head, thanks.
Bruh he Eli got bodied y'all get over it..holding back or not holding back doesn't matter cuz at the end of the day it's a extreme diff fight..Eli MIGHT be holding back against that fight with Vasco but let's not forget that Vasco still had the energy to fight big UI Daniel so he beat Eli while not even using all of his energy into the fight
Elli, too, fought off the basement hulk on his own
I don’t get how this was even a discussion whoever still said vasco in 1a was stronger is blatantly wrong this has been stated since hostel arc and had not once been stated other. Don’t forget gun also called Eli invincible with his weapon she’s supposed to be strong with it but he’s much stronger and dangerous without it. A good example of this is when Eli who was weaker than olly could have killed by throwing him off the building but decided to catch him and bring him back to keep fighting
É ele ali?
Yes. Vasco > Eli. Bro literally couldn’t react to RH.
Eli was sleep deprived, barley eating and also taking damage to win fights fast to get territories for the workers also he didn’t want to fight vasco
The only reason Vasco won that fight is because he caught Eli lacking.
Eli negs
What's your point ? Eli just got buffed mid fight and stronger than the past.
I’m just responding to those idiots who said eli with baton is strong as animal instincts eli which is clearly not
Eli uses the baton to, deflect stronger attack that he cannot take. If he fight against Vasco with animal instant then he dies
Eli can deflect attack with his hands bro that doesn`t matter
He can bearly not for long,like he did with patons. If he Really can then he doesn't need to use those tools
He needs those tools as leash and sometimes as distraction or to use them in contagious with his AI . He deflected Bh with his hands
Even Johan deflect his attack. BH is for slower than Vasco ,anyone can deflect him
BH has far higher Ap and speed than Vasco ( Goo admits that Bh has physical status comparable to Tom lee). Johan is just that strong
He literally picked up the batons latter. Using the batons or not it's his choice for fighting efficiently, not a buff or debuff.
I think Eli def has multiple styles he can use and maybe translations will talk about it, but the batons haven’t rlly done much besides be a distraction.
Right after his flashback Eli lands this shot, and the dmg is shown for one panel before it disappears for the rest of their fight
Right after the hit
dmg disappears while we see AI dmg staying
It helps him have longer reach. His AI deal more damage but his fighting style become more predictable and he must expose himself near to Gun who is faster. In fact his AI attack can only land 3 hits on Gun because Gun actively tank the first 2 hits and got distracted by the batons on the 3rd hit.
But his batons only landed that one hit, unless we count the stab in the beginning that gun also regenerates from immediately
Eli only landed 2 baton hits, even less than AI, and both did 0 lasting dmg
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PTJ just been glazing the CH since the 1A