www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tideway-tunnel-thames-sewage-park-london-b1157000.html
Londoners urged to 'come out and enjoy' seven new public spaces alongside Thames
https://www.tideway.london/impact/open-spaces/
Not sure if it is the same list.
Yup, that's the same set of locations and a much better description. Thanks for posting.
Still gave my cookies for a good look đ
Plus thereâs no map just showing where they all are!
Yes, this article is rubbish, even without ads. It's just bare minimum effort content designed to get you to watch the ads, not to explain where the spaces are and how nice it would be to visit them.
I wonder why theyâre shared at all on here, in my opinion this sub should really be banning certain websites or at least putting them on mod approval
We should have one of those bots that finds a better source and replaces the link automatically. I have no idea how to do that though and some niche content might not have multiple sources that could be used.
Pretty Standard
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AI generated article
uBlock Origin.
Low effort journalism, I'd be ashamed to have my name as an author on this... Misses all the things people click on the article to find out. Unreal.
Mr. Charles Hatgpt.
But does serve as a way to serve ads, which is the primary point it seems.
Don't waste your time, the article is rubbish. Most of the pics are renders anyway.
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Not sure if thereâs a workaround but I find that when youâre using the Reddit app the ads arenât blocked.
And safari iPhone add blockers are a bit âmehâ.
Have you got any tips?
1Blocker for Safari is pretty good
The internet is just cancer now. I canât be arsed with it
quick google turned up this site https://www.tideway.london/impact/open-spaces/
Not all of those are open yet tho..
U block origin... available for chrome based browsers as well as firefox
"The first of the new spaces launched in Putney in September - and was completed for the start for this yearâs Boat Race. The others will all open to the public in stages over the next 18 months.
Second off the drawing board this month will be a site at Chelsea Embankment, designed to reflect the style of the Royal Hospital, which it sits directly in front of."
"The other new spaces are at Heathwall Pumping Station at Nine Elms ,Albert Embankment, Victoria Embankment, the Blackfriars Bridge foreshore, and an extension of the King Edward Memorial Park in Tower Hamlets."
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Thatâs about time!
The riverbanks going east are extremely underdeveloped, lots of ugly buildings, lack of walkways and greenery.
The Thames riverbanks shouldnât be worse than the Seine ones in Paris!
I did a cycle west of Putney on a summer day, it was great.
I thought it would be good to repeat it going East, my god what a depressing day.
Every part of Paris is a complete shit hole compared to London. Their underground system also makes ours look good somehow and everywhere is full of aggressive beggars
Their cycling infrastructure puts most other non-Dutch cities to shame. It's been incredible transformative.
Paris metro is about to storm ahead of ours. 4 new almost fully underground lines and 2 long extensions being built consecutively atm all to open in phases starting this year until 2030.
Meanwhile we're messing around struggling to fund just 1 Bakerloo line extension. But tbf it's costing them half as much as it would cost here. All 4 lines and the 2 extensions are expected to cost less than just Crossrail 2 which is mostly overground on existing lines.
That's not entirely fair, the French system of funding works by splitting the cost for stations apart from the cost of tunnelling underground, and don't end up on the final build, and signalling e.t.c are other projects that count in other bills.
Crossrail 2 is also an extremely ambitous project with over 30km of tunnel, our stations are also far more complicated due to the amount of stuff we have lying around. Yes we have run out of money, but simply using parisian techniques won't save us too much cash.
"Amount of stuff we have lying around" -- I get we have a lot of underground things already but ... I'm relatively certain Paris also has a LOT of things underground, like mines, and catacombs.
Bro I saw people taking shits in their tube in two different lines on the same day....
Tiny carriages, stinks of piss, beggars galore. Is my memory of the Paris Meteo.Â
What about the negatives?
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This is genuinely not true in London. London is truly a top tier city. Other parts of England, yes I agree.
I left London because it's dirty, dog shit on the ground. Vomit at each corner, rubbish littered everywhere and rubbish bags sitting outside for days, waiting to be picked up. I lived in various places in London over 35 years, and it was the dirtiness that made me leave.
I'm not saying it's worse than any other city. I now live in a small town, which is beautifully clean. Perhaps cities above a certain size are destined to stink
Perhaps cities above a certain size are destined to stink
Generally that's true within Europe and the US, but not the case in some parts of Asia. Some of those cities put ours's to shame when it comes to cleanliness.
True. I think there's a different mindset in those countries - individuals take responsibility for their city
smokes crack I fully agree with you brother
Tell me you've never been outside the UK without telling me
Iâve been to Paris. Many times. The place is rotten and stinks of piss anywhere that isnât regularly on the tv. Iâve also been to Rome and Venice and was pleasantly surprised by their cleanliness⌠on the same trip I visited Turin⌠it also stank of piss and was covered in garbage. Iâve also visited Madrid and Menorca⌠Madrid was as dirty as London and Menorca was similar to areas comparable size in the UK that Iâve visited and lived in⌠some it clean and some of it not. I donât think one of the main reasons Brexit happened is because we canât be fucked to clean up according to EU regs⌠I would love to see any evidence of that claim. Iâm not a Brexiteer, by the way⌠Iâm just genuinely curious how you can substantiate that claim.
Edit: fuck all that⌠actually. The dumping of sewage into the sea and the council cuts are enough to make me believe otherwise.
I stayed in a dodgy area of Rome because of budget and trust me there are some very unclean areas
I disagree, european cities do not enjoy as much gree as London does. Not sure which city U are talking about, but I suggest you to pop by Milan in the summer and let me know
You donât even need to respond. Iâve countered my own response. Yeah.
I first arrived in London, in 1969. I gravitated towards the river - but, back then, London had turned its back on its river. Apart from a few special stretches, it was almost impossible to get to the river.
Over years, I developed routes that followed its course, and allowed occasional glimpses.
Thins began to change in the 80s - in part because developers began to value riverside locations. LDDC (London Docklands) opened up riverside (& dock-side) walks, & GLC did the same.
The Thames is much more accessible than it used to be. This looks like being a continuation of this process.
Are you able to share any more about the routes that you developed?
It'd be interesting to do a comparison to see how they've changed over the years.
Most of them are untraceable. One favourite tracked from Rotherhithe to Greenwich - no big deal today.
But back then, it involved ducking & diving between scrapyards, (mostly derelict) warehouses & even some abandoned private gardens.
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Until the mid-20thC, the Thames was a thoroughfare. But, with the closure of the London docks, the city turned its back.
The space has artwork by Florian Roithmayr and a feature that Tideway calls
an âintertidal terraceâ, where Londoners and tourists will be able to
dip their toes in the Thames.
No thanks.
I don't know about you but I love the feeling of human faeces between my toes.
Portaloo Sunset, by the Kinks
A cleaner Thames is on the way.
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How long do you reckon it'd take for the impact to show? Iâd love to see a clean Thames soon!
There are a few good promotional videos around the traps now. I recently watched a good one at the The Times (paywalled, otherwise I'd share).
I don't know! But I think there would be two main things going on. Firstly, once the tunnel is operational, London's storm water will stop mixing with general storm water and ending up in The Thames. This must mean a pretty quick improvement in the quality of the water (although I don't know how much time to allow for with how water swashes around the lower reaches).
Secondly, all the refuse (and shit I guess) that gets flushed out with stormwater and then deposited on the riverbed will be diverted into this new tunnel. Hopefully over a few short years a lot of the existing stuff will erode and magically disappear into the sea. There is a massive bank of tampons and wet wipes near the Hammersmith Bridge that is being closely monitored (I think its near the Hammersmith Bridge).
Unfortunately, the Thames won't be pristine. There are plenty of inadequate sewage systems dumping shit into the Thames upstream of the area covered by this new system.
A mighty improvement though. My respect to whoever ensured that Thames Water had only limited influence on this project.
I was running the Thames path around Rotherhithe recently and saw a family with two toddlers dipping in the Thames. It struck me as odd. Not sure I'd do it myself - however despite its reputation the Thames is actually heralded as one of the cleanest metropolitan rivers in the world, so it's pretty probably fine.
The Thames is considered to be the cleanest river in the world that flows through a major city. The Thames is home to 125 species of fish and more than 400 invertebrates
It is however, extremely dangerous, and illegal, to swim in the tidal Thames downstream of Putney. Lots of people do it around Rotherhithe in summer, and are shooed away by marine police or Harbour Master launches.
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Yeah, I know there are limited places to swim and all but considering I look at the Thames for 12 hours a day, Iâve never fancied swimming in the tidal bits.
As kids we used to swim in the docks around Rotherhithe and once in a while would jump in the water near to tower bridge. No idea how none of us were injured or became sick.
The asbestos dust was a protective layer especially when combined with all that lead in the car fumes.
same. mid late 70s.
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the past is a foreign country.
If youâd read the article you link then youâd know the answer. Short, no. Also, itâs not measured so we donât know.
I can tell you where these spaces will be (I worked there, and secured those sites as a security officer )
First one that you can see is Albert Embankment - not yet done (go over Vaxhuall bridge on the 36/2 bus and youâll see it ) probably finished and ready possibly by the summer.
Falconbrook (nearest to Clapham junction station ) it will be right next to the Library , not accessible yet until the summer.
Victoria Embankment - by Embankment station , instead of going left when your near the river side, go straight up towards Westminster, itâll be visible and you can see it .
Blackfriars- the less I say about how crazy and dangerous that site was during night shifts the better , same situation as Albert Embankment.
Kirtling Street&Heathwall - nearly done , just take a walk past the American embassy , and pop into SainsburyâsâŚ
Chelsea Embankment - that is the only site thatâs 100% done on central , you just have to go across the Chelsea bridge, like as though your going to Chelsea Gardens, and itâll be there across the road, probably the closest you can get to seeing what a complete site looks like.
Thanks very much.
By the looks of it: all in west london/central.
Youâre a legend for this
Still got my eyes and ears working there as well, West zone is very much done, East is the slowest and was behind budget.... đŤ˘
As always basically fuck all in East London đ and no, the one in Tower Hamlets isnât enough for me not to moan đ
As always basically fuck all in East London
To be fair the small new public spaces are above the new sewage tunnel where the access points are along the Thames. It doesn't follow the Thames out east because it goes directly to the beckton sewage treatment plant. There's a public wildlife park thing next to beckton sewage plant you can enjoy but just take a peg for your nose and face mask because it feels barely breathable around there.
Edit: actually scratch that actually. They totally could have put a new public park area at the south side of Abby mills pumping station by West Ham station now that the construction equipment and materials are all being removed. Quite a big area too. Then maybe a little bridge over the narrow canal/river to where a few thousand homes are being built.
Could, or are?
the king edward one? the park was already there. the new bit is minimal. calling it a new public space is a bit of a stretch.
Agreed, there could have been a nice opportunity here to do something that made a difference and get us out of our comfort zone (Beckton)
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At least you guys have bridges to cross the river đ
West London gets minimal development compared to everything that gets built in east London. Every time the mayor announces some major funding or interesting project in the news it seems to go towards east. Museums, government buildings, improved public transport. They already have canary wharf with top paying jobs. Do they think everyone in the west lives in mansions?
No but we think everyone in the west has more river crossings than we do.
West London (especially North of the river) also has far superior tube and public transport connections.
Land prices
Yeah, because east london is a shithole (lovingly). Historically it's been the brunt of polluting industry. Of course, if you're looking for the most bang for your buck in investment the industrial wastes of the east is going to be a better sell than the leafy suburbia of the west.
I mean, there's Victoria Park, Mile End Park, the Cemetery etc
We are talking about new spaces.
Do any of the places actually have tables and chairs though?
why does this sound vaguely threatening đ
They're nice spaces and you will enjoy them lol
lived opposite the Wapping construction site for this for 3 years, my view blighted by cranes and early morning noise. Then I move away and within 6 months they've finished the damn thing and made a park there... harumph!
Come out enjoy the views of fresh sewage being pumped into the Thames
"oh what's that dear a bird coming down to pluck a fish out the river nope it's a swan choking on a sanitary towel"
We donât have time, too busy working ourselves to death.
We just gonna gloss over all the raw sewage that Thames Water has been chucking into the river??
The super sewer that is well into construction is probably going to help with that.
Great, but feel like everything is super busy in London these days. Anything nice and it will be full all the time with tourists taking pics for insta or TikTok⌠hate I canât enjoy the city anymore without having to wait in line for every single thing for 30 minutes minimum.
Tourists in London have been around longer than you have. Theyâre a big part of the city and its vibrancy. They probably keep the west end running, a lot of restaurants open, and provide a good reason to maintain public spaces.
That would be great and all if more money was spent to develop local areas too. Unfortunately most new things are in central, not your local high street.
Iâm not saying tourism is bad. Itâs great, brings money and jobs to the city. But itâs become too much in certain areas and pushes away the local population.
Like I said, tourists are a good reason to maintain public places, and the tourists are central.
Local authorities not having enough money is a whole different story. It has nothing to do with tourists.
No one in those areas benefits from tourists
But
No one in those areas has to put up with tourists.
You were complaining about tourists being everywhere, but didnât pause to think that the places are well maintained because of them.
It sounds like maybe what you want is more tourists in your area.
Yeah, whatever would we do without musical adaptations of American kids films and chain restaurants owned by Russian Oligarchs?
Most likely complain even more about how everything is going to pot.
the trick is to stay away from tourist areas
What were the last 3 things that you had to wait 30 mins for?
Itâs great, I feel incredibly smug about buying a house in a place like this đ
Great to see, there'll be one near my house which I will try to enjoy
The day tfl fares become reasonable, I'll consider going into the city without reason and just to "enjoy".
It's about time. The project is awesome and will be great for the Thames of course but I hate how they've blocked so much of the paths alongside the Thames for so many years.
Like the Chelsea embankment one has had almost no one working there since last year. It's looked pretty much done since then too. But they've still kept the barriers up spilling out onto the pavement and paths on the Embankment blocking access along there. All the machinery and stuff has gone now and the works have to be so minor now that at least just move the hoarding/fencing back by just 2 meters so the pavement can be used again. All that happens now is pedestrians just walk in the busy road/cycle highway 3 because they fairly don't want to take a diversion.
Surely the huge new space they've created can be used as the worksite for the last little things they apparently have to do anyway?
Just seems like poor or inconsiderate planning imo. It's like seeing roadworks for months but barely seeing anything happen on them ever. Apparently Chelsea embankment opens by July though, and Blackfriars embankment by November.
These âopen spacesâ are just expanses of stone/concrete with no shade!
Are these actually public spaces or are they actually controlled by the local property Barons? I went to Battersea Power Station a couple of weeks ago and I felt like I'd walked into a J.G Ballard novel. Horrible place. Tons of entitled zombie joggers, CCTV and pseudo-security mooching about staring at you. What a lovely relaxing 'public' space.
Nowhere does it say when any of these will be open? Or does it - found the article hard to read!
I wish the Thames path was fully navigable off road from east to west, both sides of the river. The south side is getting better, but it is still fragmented where you have to come off the path and onto the main roads, particularly when you gear near London Bridge. I know it's a total pipedream but that would be awesome.
Do we need a QR code to enter?
I always thought that places like Chelsea and Putney were long overdue some public money being spent on them to make them nicer for the poor downtrodden locals.
The one in Putney is glorious adds some much needed space to the walkway and a nice space to enjoy the river with a take away pint from one of the local pubs or a coffee from the new cycling cafe. They are also thinking of making the walkway car free. That I do not see happening as the rowers need to get their boats down to the river. (the ones not in the sheds)
Meh. Feels like a wasted opportunity as thereâs ZERO greenery just a concrete dullness.
Literally 100mâs down the road is the tow path along the river with trees and then the wetlands and Barnes common.
All beautiful green spaces which have been there for years. I was talking about the concrete monster which theyâve just added. Not a single plant or tree
People are never happy. Whatâs the tree going to grow out of? Itâs a concrete block thatâs at least 15 mâs high. To the closest soil? Which is the river?
You can plant soil in pots. Itâs not really that hard. Itâs a functional space but not one to enjoy - not sure how itâs made this list
Itâs made the list because it was built because of the super sewer.
Fair enough. Not trying to be a downer - I walk past it several times a day and just canât help thinking itâs a bit of a missed opportunity but at least theyâve done something
We don't care.
I clicked the article to try and see pictures of these spaces but it's impossible with all the ads and popups. Probably easier for me to walk the Thames until I find them all ffs