Can someone explain me how Lux got the triple kill instead of Kai'sa?
this is a bug tho, right?
Idk if it actually is a bug or not. Other effects like Nami E and Ivern shield credit the ally that activates the effect rather than the effect owner. In this case Kaisa owns the effect, but Lux is the one that activated it so it would be in line with those interactions. I’m pretty sure if they changed the way this effect works then somehow Ardent Censer’s 20 on hit damage would also end up giving kills to supports somehow.
It's kinda like how pix works then. He can trade ownership after he is triggered and give Lulu kills or cs without her hitting anything herself
It's kinda like how pix works then. He can trade ownership after he is triggered and give Lulu kills or cs without her hitting anything herself
Isn't that the exact OPPOSITE of what's going on here?
Lulu's Pix makes it so that Lulu's [x] effect can be triggered by someone else [y] where any kill credits earned by [y] are attributed to [x].
Statik Shivv makes it so that a Champion's [x] effect (Kai'sa's Lightning in the vid) can be triggered by someone else (Lux in the vid) [y] but where any kill credits earned by [y] are attributed to [y].
Not exactly. It is very consistent if you think of it as ownership instead of a trigger. In this case Lux is both the trigger and owner of the statik shivv proc. Since shiv can proc on takedown and that includes assists and lux got the kill she is the owner of the proc. In Lulu's case it is her ADC that triggers pix and then he expires and ownership transfers back to Lulu. I imagine it would be possible for Lulu to do the reverse of triggering pix herself and then shielding an ally to transfer ownership of the proc before it hits.
All three of those share the same logic. The damage comes from shiv/pix but ownership determines who gets the credit. The difference being that pix seemingly updates ownership instantly and shiv does on proc.
I did not realize it only happens when Pix snaps back to her from the way you described it. Obviously if that's the case my previous post is wrong.
I mean I think it's still a bug because it doesn't really make sense for it to work like that. It isn't working as logic would intend for it to work. Other cases where it makes sense (Ivern E, Lulu E, Nami E) make sense because they are support champions designed to give gold to their carry, so it makes sense that they are buffing the ally, they don't want to discourage buffing an ally due to possibly taking a kill.
This doesn't make sense with statikk because the whole point is building it on ADC's for damaging purposes. So even if it's code isn't "incorrect" it's still unlikely the intention is for this interaction to take place.
It's not like it's a super common interaction, so I don't know if it's worth fixing it, but I do think it's probably not something Riot intends, so it's still a bug.
yes
Well it's definitely a feature now.
I guess we don't know who should have ownership of the shiv proc. Lux should get the Hwei kill, which procs shiv, but does it make sense for Kaisa to get the chain kills even though she didn't proc shiv?
Theoretically makes sense tho. Let's say you could proc someone else's heart steel: You would be the one who activated the item, even tho you aren't the one having it.
some champ spells already do that.
This plus the delay on statik didn't help creating that window for this to even be possible
This happened in a pro game this year where Corki got a Pentakill from it and even the players didn't understand what had happened.
There's a ton of clips here that have the same bug happen, its something with Statik Shiv not working properly
Yep I've had it happen in my games it's such a dumb shiv bug
feature*
As I understand, it is working properly, but nobody expect this interaction. If ally apply an effect and you then proc it - you count as a proc source and therefore getting all credits. It was happening only with support abilities and items before, that is why it looks like a bug.
That would be like an ally getting Rengar's passive stack because they got the takedown that would grant him one.
It's Kaisa's item that she spent gold on, intended as an item for carry champs. It makes no sense for an ally proccing it on takedown to count as their damage. This makes sense for support abilities and effects because they're designed to support the team. This is not a support item.
statik proc probably is code like nami's E when it kills a champion
I believe there was a pentakill in the LCK from KDF Bulldog activating Shiv's effect from KDF Leaper's Zeri, which gave Corki all kills and the penta
Yep happend before with me too but its random.
I had an aram game recently where the enemy Camille got 9 or 10 kills from her ally sivir's statik shiv.
I had a lux getting a Penta thanks to my statikk in one of my game. But yeah most of the time my support randomly gets double kill off of it
This happened in pro play as well, in game 3 of the KDF - BRO match this split. BuLLDoG's Corki procced Zeri's Shiv and got 3 kills, granting him a penta.
I had this recently and it was more obvious that it was a bug.
Was playing ADC into a Kaisa with shiv. Got ganked by an Ekko, survived on 1HP. Based in between tier one and tier two turret. Died to a shiv proc as the wave was coming in, kinda thoughtless by me. Ekko gets kill.
Just seems to be a bug where a shiv proc doesn’t always attribute the kill to the person with shiv, but the person to last use a damaging ability.
Because
Cos she’s the real carry duh
Riot is masterminds of coding. That's how.
Spaghetti code issues certainly
Regardless of who got the kill, that was such a satisfying static shiv proc 🤤
if all 5 people on a team have a shiv in a team fight, does it proc 1350 AOE damage on the whole enemy team as soon as the first person dies? Does that also proc another 1350 damage if someone dies from that?
Is this like the card "defile" from hearthstone??
Assuming it hits everyone and no minions or monsters get killed in the process and trigger the first effect:
Target 1 takes 270 damage per Shiv proc, so 1350 damage. 1350 damage is also dealt to all other targets it chains to. That’s the first Shiv proc done.
If that killed Target 1, that starts a SECOND Shiv proc, dealing ANOTHER 1350 damage to all other targets it chains to. AKA, targets 2-5 have now taken a total of 2700 damage.
If that kills Target 2, that starts a THIRD Shiv proc, dealing ANOTHER 1350 damage to everyone, aka, targets 3-5 have taken 3050 damage.
So on so forth. If target 3 dies, targets 4 and 5 take 4350, if target 4 dies, target 5 takes a total of 5700.
If there is a wave minions in between would that increase or decrease the damge? Because it will likely kill all of them too dealing extra damage, right?
I actually never reallly played the new shiv, but I assume it only procs once on the minion because it's on minion kill and not minion assist?
The Statikk Shiv passive gives credit to whoever procs it, not whoever has Statikk Shiv.
Same issue with how BullDog on a Corki with no Shiv got a penta from Leaper’s Zeri new passive Shiv proc
Holy fuck. This is some next level spaghetti code
this is literally how kdf midlaner got his pentakill at the LCK summer split lol
Looks like the damage cached until the other damage is complete or something, with the statik shiv effect being moved to last to be completed, maybe in an order of priority. Melee/Magic first, then items? Kaisas damage happens first, then luxs Auto, then the damaage from Shiv is applied causing it to jump to get the triple
This happened in pro play too, corki enabling the statikk secured BullDog the pentakill.
It’s a know bug. A friend of mine is actually a Riot Dev and he said they are going to do something about it for the next patch. Not fix the bug, just add some Carbonara sauce in the next battle pass to give some flavor to the spaghetti code.
It’s a lot phreak bug that only seems to effect supports and allow them to get multi kills
Skin diff
this is a troll post right?
Why would it be?
shiv is so fucking bugged riot literally went on vacation without properly fixing it..
damage numbers are weird as fuck because this keeps happening, it misleads the items is bad when its not
also twitch passive killing enemies wont PROC shiv, idk if this is intended or not but AT LEAST POINT US IN THE DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO KNOW THAT, WE DONT KNOW.
The same bug that already happened in a pro match. Sad Rito doesn't care. Hmm, maybe they will after releasing another 500€ skin.
It looks like she got the final auto attack on Hwei, killing him and applying Kai'sas Statikk Shiv passive from takedown, granting her the kill credit for the items proc.