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Imagine tripping and falling into one mid-presentation.
Yeah. I was trying to figure out if the spikes were foam or something, because that seems really dangerous.
Yeah No, they're real nails. I went there in the late 2000's Crawled through the tunnels and everything. The whole museum is basically a "look at what we did to the stupid Americans." everything from the pile of unexploded ordinances, to the traps and tunnels were the real thing. All with the messaging of anti American rhetoric.
All with the messaging of anti American rhetoric.
Some call it "anti-american" some call it "defending their country"
I mean, absolutely. We were the bad guys. but Most war museums don't demonize the opposing faction (besides Nazis obviously) like Vietnam does though. It was pretty wild. I don't think I've ever been to a museum on the Revolutionary War where we talk about demonizing the British soldiers and how we outwitted them into brutal deaths.
I guess from the Vietnamese point of view the Americans were their Nazis.
Country history?.....
But they were invading a country…
And people ask me why I don’t want to visit VN and contribute tourism dollars to their economy…
I mean... compared to Agent Orange and Napalm, spike pits seem reasonably tame...
Didn't north Vietnam do some real bad shit once they took the south?
… and people wonder why I don’t trust the US government, either!
And people ask me why I don’t want to visit VN and contribute tourism dollars to their economy…
No one asks you that because they know you're already prejudiced.
Also Vietnam celebrating beating their invaders that literally tried to bomb them to the Stone Age and poisoned several generations of people is completely normal and fair. You Americans celebrate Iraq ffs and that was purely a war of economic opportunism.
EDIT: Wanted to add u/Gorilladaddy69 comment to this to help you put it into perspective:
A lot of people don’t even realize, outside the tens of thousands of American casualties, Vietnamese casualties were at around 3.8 million, and millions more considering the birth defects from agent orange and leftover explosives in Vietnam and Laos that workers and children would step on sometimes decades later.
EDIT: u/Sweaty-Leather3191 got scared and blocked me, which is extremely hilarious.
And despite that, in Ukraine we have now the world most dense anti personnel mines country... There's no hope.
- People do ask that question, because people still engage in dialogue in the real world.
- The US did not invade Vietnam in the traditional sense. We came to support our ally and increased numbers over time. But we never came to take over the country for ourselves.
- It’s been 50 years. This would be the equivalent of Americans shunning their Japanese and/or German visitors in the 90’s. Did some ignorant assholes do it? Sure. But it’s not a part of the culture.
- Your 3.8 number is higher than even the highest tallies I’ve seen elsewhere, and seems to imply those were the result of American intervention. In actuality, most Vietnamese people were killed by other Vietnamese people.
People do ask that question, because people still engage in dialogue in the real world.
I seriously doubt that happens, considering your general stance and the fact your ideas are literally borne out of an echo chamber. Also I seriously doubt you frequently discuss Vietnam with your friends, especially considering the low level of knowledge about the subject.
The US did not invade Vietnam in the traditional sense. We came to support our ally and increased numbers over time. But we never came to take over the country for ourselves.
One thing would be material support, but the USA put boots on the ground and literally invaded what was considered sovereign North Vietnamese territory, as defined by the what defines a civil war, one which the USA should never have entered to begin with. Also, the USA literally declared war and used a made up scenario to justify it with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. You never wanted to support South Vietnam, it was part of your strategy of containing communism which failed miserably. See PRC and Vietnam.
It’s been 50 years. This would be the equivalent of Americans shunning their Japanese and/or German visitors in the 90’s. Did some ignorant assholes do it? Sure. But it’s not a part of the culture.
Very much is part of American culture because of the fake "exceptionalism" that's drilled into your uneducated minds. I still see Americans harping about how they won WW2 single handedly (which is a lie and it's been almost 80 years) and literally defending the Confederate States of America (again, it has been 100+ years). Just stop pretending you're right lol, this type of delusional bullshit is entirely cultural to you Americans.
Your 3.8 number is higher than even the highest tallies I’ve seen elsewhere, and seems to imply those were the result of American intervention. In actuality, most Vietnamese people were killed by other Vietnamese people.
Exaggerated by whom? Not only did the USA also hide the casualties because they knew the large majority of those killed were innocent, this number includes the people who suffered after the USA's withdrawal which left hundreds of thousands of unexploded ordinance in the country, killing people for the last 50 years, like you pointed out.
TLDR; The USA waged a war of incredible destruction and dropped more than a million bombs, despite having lost massively to unprepared militias. Add the generational effect that Agent Orange STILL HAS TO THIS DAY and you would completely understand it.
Again, go glorify war crimes and criminals while you laud wars of aggression like Iraq and stop posting stupid takes on what you don't understand.
Kissinger, the piece of shit stain warmonger responsible for the suffering of the Laotian and Vietnamese people, loved uneducated people like you that defended his bloodlust and war criminal stance and ate up every single crumb of propaganda he dished out.
EDIT: Just wanted to clarify the invasion point. Did teh USA invade during the Soviet-Mujahideen War? No, only materiel support,. Did the USA invade Ukraine/Russia now during the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War? No, only materiel support. Did the USA invade Afghanistan in 2001? Yes, despite saying it was only supporting it's allies (known as the Northern Alliance), because it put boots on the ground beside giving materiel support.
And so, did the USA invade North Vietnam during the Vietnamese Civil War? Yes, despite saying it was only supporting it's allies (South Vietnam), because it put boots on the ground beside giving materiel support.
Logic is easy, you should try it but apparently coping is easier for you.
Sir, we can argue about the nuances of the Indochina Wars all day long, if you’d like. But if it weren’t single-handedly for America, you’d be speaking German today. So… you’re welcome.
Show a little respect!
But if it weren’t single-handedly for America, you’d be speaking German today.
Yup, found the uneducated American. Never mind that without Soviet manpower or evne British and French innovations and intelligence, the USA wouldn't do shit but cope harder ahah. Like I wrote previously:
I still see Americans harping about how they won WW2 single handedly (which is a lie and it's been almost 80 years)
You don't want people to celebrate 50 year old victories but you celebrate a 79 year old victory that isn't even yours. You know how pathetic you sound right lol?
:: fart noises in your general direction ::
Must be from eating shit processed food and barely moving. Happens to obese societies like the USA. Look out for your heart, cholesterol's a bitch.
Hahah you genuinely can’t stand America and our winning. It’s cute.
Nobody cares
Hot take from the guy stuck in the 90’s! Grow up.
Exactly why air campaigns had to be used, but they never invaded or did that to North Vietnam, which is why they survived the war against the Americans.
It's wooden traps vs napalm bombing they did pretty good with what they had