The one that already took over Romania?
Look at how many different groups are occupying it, they're small and disorganized but they prevent them from going anywhere
Wait. America is coaching the insurgents?
Please, America, always coachs the insurgent forces. What do you think they were doing in Afghanistan all these years building schools 👷♂️ fuck no we blow shit up and leave the stuff we did it with; obviously this was the plan the whole time.
That country is a legend
True
It’s so strong we don’t even talk about it.
It's even labelled "The Russian Invasion of Ukraine".
"SqUaRe LoOkInG bLaCk CoUnTrY."
Yea it’s the strongest nation on the map
You mea that smaller white country inside the black country in the shape of letters. I dont think they have a chance of wining i mean they start of encirceled and if hoi4 tought me anithing its that thats bad
Me.
Do it then
Already did
Because the only winning move is not to play
Wargames reference 🔥
I thought that was the lottery?
But you keep on trying…
They keep fighting over Crimea. Why don't you take that do they stop whining about it.
Transnistria
Abkhazia
Chechnya
Crimea
Bielefeld
South Ossetia
Wakana
Osea
Somaliland.
Ambazonia
Katanga
Texas
Silesia
Balochistan
Somaililand
Tuva
Ryukyu
PROVINCIA MACEDONIA ROMANA
No joke, America energy is the real winner.
We were just all naming separatist states and you ruined the trend
Technically, America is a sepratist state.
Not anymore
Styria
Tannu Tuva
Me (I am a defence contractor)
Hopefully an American one
cause they’re known for being sooo much better
They’re one of the best places to work if you’re LGBTQ
nothing like killing defenseless brown people; but at least you can be openly gay!
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Yeah, douche, we kill everybody if we're paid enough! We kill browns, blacks, whites, yellows, greens, reds, everyone! This Anti-war thing is offensive.
Unironically yes
Hey, I don’t discriminate. I kill EVERYONE, okay? Don’t try and pull the race card on me.
these have been the same borders for TWO YEARS
Basically WW1 but with drones and worldwide media coverage day and night
So you’re not ruling out a cavalry charge? Or more likely men riding drones?
Ukrainians are using motorcycles, so they are kinda there
You know what that’s an agreeable compromise
It's actually crazy how close they got to getting Kyiv, especially north of the city (reference recaptured territory)
Yeah well the Germans came very close to getting Paris during the initial maneuvering phase. Then the front barely changed for 4 years.
Seeing as Russia has occupied most of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions which were the cause of this war, I could see this becoming a stalemate with a ceasefire/treaty to keep these current borders. Similar to the 2 koreas but with more diplomacy.
The Principality of Theodoro
i think blue could clutch up
Which blue?
Nah, they've got encircled by Russia in Azov
Albania
Nah, I think Kosovo
No I think Bulgaria
No I think North Macedonia
No I think Serbia
SERBIA #1!!!!!!!🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸 (I am American)
Kosovo? You mean Southern Serbia?
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Bring back the Hapsburgs! That'll solve the problem. Except the shortage of Romanovs.
Alabama
American MIC
The rich
It depends on how long Ukraine gets money from the west
Supplies, rather. A lot of the money is going back to donor country’s or economic zone’s weapons manufacturing industry.
So basically depends on the results of this election
Not really, US support isnt as vital as people make it out to be, its definitely important though.
Ukraine doesn't have enough as it is, losing its largest supplier would be a devastating blow.
They have more than enough to hold the front and make retalliatory attacks, but the aid from abroad gives them the ability to go on a proper offensive. Even still, given a few more years, the Russians will bleed their coffers dry.
Russia has an artillery, air and manpower advantage as it is. The last Ukrainian offensive was a failure. Ukraine holds the front but it does so at a cost. If they are going to take their country back they need a lot more than what they are receiving. Hoping that Russia will give up in a couple years is not a good theory of victory.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-needs-more-crisis-management
Russia has to give up on significant swathes of the front, and they already have.
The vast majority of the modern tank fleet was obliterated at Kharkiv, Chernehiv, and Kyiv early war drastically, reducing their ability to position major armour on the front and forcing them to fall back onto small scale "leap and bound" doctrine with much worse equipment.
The regular infantry corps have been shattered by casualty rates, resulting in a deficit of combat awareness or experienced men and officers. This has also forced the Russians to form more separate asault batallions as well as relying on DPR, LPR, Wagner, and prisoner brigades to plug holes in the front.
The marine corps has also had its nose bloodoed with a failed landing and a failed river crossing costing major men and equipment, not to mention them being rotated out of their specialist role and being thrown into the woodchipper at Krynky and Vuhledar.
The airforce has spent the vast majority of its munitions as well as losing any chance at arial dominance on literally the first day of the war, not to mention the losses in airframes the russian aviation industry cant replace in a timely manner.
They navy has also taken a beating, losing numerous ships, including their capital ship, and additionally being humiliated by a few Ukrainian boys on jetskis taking back their pil platforms.
Internally the russian MOD officer corps has been fucked up aswell, numerous firings, exiles, dissapearances and even Ukrainian assasinations.
All while the evonomy is in the shitter, there is a growing anti russian movement on the fringes of the western oblasts. The domestic oil and gas industry is getting blown up by missiles and there is nothing to show for it on the front.
Rant over.
Didn't Trump say he wants to get the money that was sent to Ukraine back?
"give us the money we sent you back to us!"
"go fuck yourself"
Yeah, I don't see the US getting back a cent. It will have to be taken out of Russian assets frozen in Europe
Actually it was cheaper in the long to send them the equipment because it would’ve cost more to decommission it all safely.
I like how Americans get angry at their token financial support to Ukraine, which is obliterating the Russian MOD and state, but dont give a shit about their ludecrous taxes and millitary spending domestically.
I personally doubt, despite Trump's bluster, that anything would ever actually change regarding our (the US's) policy of dumping resources into foreign conflicts.
The aliens on Mars
As an alien from mars i agree
Moldova
I feel like it would go on until Russia invades a nato country and then nato will sweep in
Russia
If the victory condition for Ukraine is expulsion of Russian influence from all of its claimed territory, then probably Russia.
Nah, 100% Ukraine. Even if all western support dried up tomorrow, Russia doesn't have enough strength to push the frontline. Their armored forces are depleted, their logistics is in shambles. They've already lost this war its just a matter of Ukraine wearing them down enough for them to fuck off.
Ukraine doesn't have to "expel" Russia from shit, they're going to give up and leave, its just a matter of when. Even if they signed a peace deal where they annex their current claimed territory, they do not have the economics to keep that territory. In a defensive war, especially against a larger country, you don't have to push them out of your territory per say, you just have to wear them down to the point they can't keep attacking you. Therefore, Ukraine wins by default.
they’re going to give up and leave
Well, not everyone is as comfortable with fantasy analyses.
It's not a fantasy analysis. Most of Ukraine's equipment is shit they already had, Russian-captured equipment. Then most of the military aid is small arms and weapons like recoilless rifles (Javelin, NLAW), surface-to-air missiles, HIMARS, etc. which excel at ambush/defense and are highly situational in offense. Less than 10% of Ukraine's 1800 tanks come from Western stockpiles, and their APC and IFV stocks are similarly overwhelmingly Soviet designs.
This idea Ukraine will just "lose" without western support....is propaganda. Useful propaganda, as Ukraine has used it to push for bigger military aid programs, but Russia at its current rate of advance would have to be on the offensive for 25~ish years to reach Kyiv. Even if they advanced 2 or 3 times as fast without the West supporting Ukraine, they would still never win because they do not have the logistics to support the war in Ukraine at its current scale, much less the sheer effort to capture 20 oblasts compared to the 4/5 where they currently have military units staged.
Russia lost this war the second they launched their "three day offensive" into Kyiv, Sumy, Kharkiv and Kherson. Losing 30,000 casualties and 13,000 killed, plus almost a thousand armored vehicles in a month, running out of food, ammunition, and fuel in less than 2 weeks. This, all before any western aid arrived in Ukraine. How the hell are they supposed to cause enough casualties over a 3, 4, 5 month period to maintain a steady rate of advance for a year or two if, despite Ukraine being unprepared, managed to hold them in place at their most aggressive and pound them into a stalemate in a war which they do not have the economics to sustain?
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South Ossetia
North Ossetia
the blue side is about to capture kyiv
The arms dealers
I hope Ukraine wins their struggle
Hopefully Ukraine
North Korea.
I’m starting to think of this conflict more in a WW1 stalemate term. This war is not about the land captured as much, it’s about the will to fight. Ukraine and the west has the advantage. Frankly, it’s the useful idiots who believe Russian propaganda who are the greatest weakness in winning it.
I mean, Ukraine only has so much manpower
True, that’s why more advanced weaponry is crucial. If we can make up for it in firepower in a conventional war
Ukraine can't make up for it in firepower, Russia holds the undisputed artillery, munitions, air, sea, and manpower advantage, Ukraine can't hope to match it, unless they can get 50,000 new tanks and a steady stream of ammunition going, they simply cannot, they can only do what they have been, sucking men from the ever depleting manpower pool and hope Russia gives up eventually.
By firepower I also mean precision and the advantages western weapons give, and Ukraine has been doing that by that definition.
However the ammunition is expensive and in limited supply, while Russia has the luxury of a virtually bottomless pit of munitions from North Korea, precision isn't really useful in a war like this unless against naval assets, mass artillery is quickly proving to be far more effective in modern frontline warfare than smart missiles.
Actually the precision is a lot more useful. Mass artillery will still have a hard time blowing up anyone in a ditch or a trench and those are often the positions. Precise artillery however, can certainly make up for that and we absolutely are seeing it in this war. It’s also not smart shells, it’s the western supplied artillery weapons that make accuracy happen, not the shells.
if Ukraine stopped getting support, it would probably be Russia. If Ukraine got more support, which I personally believe it should, they would win.
Yep.
Mikan Tsumiki
That grandma who told the Russians to have sunflower seeds in there pockets so when they die flowers will grow
KMW
I can’t answer a non hypothetical question man, cmon.
Me (Im built different)
That's rightful ottoman land. They'll clean up the winners
Sealand
The university of Ohio state
The black sea
The Golden Horde (Kazakhstan) will stab Slavs in the back while they’re fighting with each other and retake Astrakhan, Nogai territory, Volga Region and Crimea.
I also say Kazakhstan. They can pursue more diverse trade options and are making money as a middleman selling sanctions goods to Russia.
Well that sounds very good on paper but as someone who lives in Kazakhstan these sanctions goods are mostly unavailable to us because we’ve been buying them from Russia prior to the war, and now they’re gone😭
light blue team in the bottom
Gray country is looking pretty strong right now
The sea looks strong but the void is stronger
Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, General Atomics, H. R. Textron…..just to name a few winners.
i think grey, they totally surround the others
Why hasn’t Russia closed the encirclements? Are they stupid??
Emperor Palpatine
He woulda make a "russian government" order 66
Allies and team yellow.
gray has already annexed all of russia's usual territory, they're clearly too powerful to be stopped
The Bosporan Kingdom gonna come back from the grave and whoop all their asses to pull off the win.
Stalemate
Kazakhstan
The military industrial complex
If it were just Ukraine vs Russia, they would get stomped. The US and NATO have been helping modernize their force since about 2014 when Russia started fucking around. Now, provided Ukraine keeps getting bodies and money they could easily win.
It'll be a stalemate. Ukraine will lose because they will lose a lot of land, Russia will lose because they will not get anywhere close to everything they wanted. However, Russia will still be the "winner" for all intents and purposes
Realistically russia, hopefully Ukraine
Nice Ukraine’s starting to retake territory in the south hell yeah
All depends on how much help each gets from allies.
From what I'm hearing from Col. Larry Wilkerson, Col. Jaques Baud, Col. Richard Black, Chas Freeman, John Mearshiemer, Jeffrey Sachs, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, Scott Ritter, Pepe Escobar, and many others, Ukraine has basically already lost.
They're basically just hiding at this point and firing very few munitions, because they don't really have many. They can't get people to fight, either.
Russia has basically decided that it isn't worth a ton of lives to root them out so they're just gonna sit back and take what targets they can.
Zelensky is not constitutionally the president any longer, has instituted martial law, and is maintaining his presidency that way. It seems very unlikely that he would win any election in Ukraine right now.
In December 2021, Russia offered a peace deal that included Ukraine maintaining all post 2014 territories. They offered another deal in April 2022 in which Ukraine would lose the Donbass. They offered another deal recently that was even worse for Ukraine.
In other words, every offer on the table is worse and worse for Ukraine. Since Ukraine has rejected this deal, it is expected that Ukraine will lose Odessa as well in the next offer.
Whatever the case is, it seems fairly cut and dry to me that by the end of this thing Ukraine as we know it won't really exist east of the Dnipro. They won't have a port and they'll be an even poorer blacker sheep of Europe.
You know the people you named are jokes right? At first I thought you were being sarcastic when mentioning them
You're right! A colonel and chief of staff to the secretary of defense, a colonel and chief of staff of UN peacekeeping, a colonel and senator, a 30 year veteran of the state and defense departments and ambassador to SA, an ivy league professor that wrote the book on geopolitical realism, an ivy league professor that has served in various advisory roles to numerous governments for 40 years, a decorated CIA officer, a CIA analyst of counterterrorism, a Marines intelligence officer that was the weapons inspector that proved Iraq didn't have WMDs, a war reporter that has been reporting since before 9/11, and others of similar pedigree have far less weight in the matter than a terminally online redditor that larps as a naval commander in video games all day.
Glad we got your input.
I know it might sound crazy, but I think the blue country in the south might win this.
blue
I thinj Uraime wined this one!
recaptured Ukrainian territory
Depends is Ukrainian runs out of men or Russia runs out of money first
I'll tell you in a couple years.
Honestly it looks like the Ukraine war has come to a stalemate. Ukraine has managed to maintain their independence and most of their territory, but Russia has taken control of part of southeastern Ukraine
Gray has them all encircled
Glorious belarus always win 🏆🇧🇾💪🏻
Taured
The one on defense
The US, somehow
Yo mama
Norfolk Island
Hmm, I wonder 🧐
Apparently, the only winner is the arms industry, the military industrial complex as it were.
Whoever runs out of young men last
You
Eternal stalemate
TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!!!!
Arstotzka
The MIC is winning, atm. Russia has the bodies to throw at Ukraine, but they're using outdated equipment. Ukraine has received (far too much) modern equipment, but they're now struggling to keep up with the Russian numbers, largely because any foreign nationals who have returned from fighting for Ukraine have come back with horror stories of how non-Ukrainians were treated by the Ukrainian soldiers and fighting citizens. A number of them lacked for basic equipment even though it was available and present because it was denied to them. So by self-sabotage, Ukraine may lose the war in the end.
HOWEVER!!!
With this war having largely turned into one of attrition, Russia still has finite resources and manpower, and by the time they beat Ukraine, they will be too weak to ever be a Superpower again. At that point, American politicians who have foreign interests will attempt to convince other nations like China to overrun Russia, which would appear to eliminate one enemy, but China is an ambitious dictatorship that can use the land to spread themselves out further and reduce the overall density of their population while also getting themselves closer to other nations they might want to invade.
So who wins? Politicians, the MIC, and anyone who's not just a common citizen.
Yellow clearly has far more land so they should be able to easily destroy the small red territory faction within days
Not tax payers
What we learned from this is 'never denuclearize your country'
Ukraine is way bigger than Ukrainian territories occupied by Russia, so I think they’ll win.
Ukraine
Probably Ukraine. Im going to say it, the Russian military right now is inconceivably bad. Its a country that loses in population, and geography. And sure nato is helping but its still pretty embarrassing.
Activision
Russia, despite all the money and war goods from the west, it’s a a bust for Ukraine to gain full independence again. Russia needs to hold on for resources and political standing, they’re gonna stay interested longer than murica.
Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Dynamics
Liechtenstein obviously
I think the almighty Black Sea Empire would win💪💪💪💪💪💪
With Trump's likely return in office, Ukraine's chances of repealing the invasion will basically vanish. My guess is a stalemate resulting in a de facto annexation by Russia of some of the currently occupied territories (including but not limited to Crimea) that will not be recognised for a few decades, while Russia's economy weakens and their military credibility collapses. Ukraine on the other end will get help rebuilding itself, as it is now an official EU candidate.
So Russia will gain territories but be weakened, while Ukraine will slowly get stronger, and will ultimately become able to prevent later russian invasions.
That’s up to Congress. Trump might say some things to the effect of “let’s stop funding Ukraine” but ultimately Congress decides on the policy and budget for this stuff.
Hope dies last
The currently occupied territories are already de facto annexed by Russia
blue
Blue?
The blue one
Ukraine apparently.
If Ukraine could take over the airspace with western fighter jets, and mass produce massive dumb glide bombs and drop them on Russian positions in the south to create a breakthrough in the Zaparozhia landbridge, Russia will be basically cooked.
Seeing how nato was just struck by Russia ima say Ukraine
Probably Russia
Well one side has 10x + the manpower and resources of the other side and has so far managed to fight the conflict entirely on the other sides territory. You do the math.
And the other side is backed by the global hegemon, and 4/5 of the largest economies on earth, and 7/10 of the largest millitary lies.
I guess we’ll see. One of us is right.
You're forgetting that Russia can't afford to commit the same percentage since most Russians don't really care about the war. Also belgorod?
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That square looking black country in the corner looks strong