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There should be a 30 day real reboot feature. Most people wouldn’t even notice a 30 second boot vs a 11 second boot.
Restart restarts. Shutdown/Power on utilizes fast startup.
You need to use incredibly specific language that leaves no room for interpretation, because any amount of that and users will either do nothing or do the wrong thing 90% of the time.
"Restart the machine by clicking the 'Power' menu item on the bottom left of the start menu and selecting 'Restart'. Do not shut the machine down and power it back on as a substitute for a restart. This will not achieve the desired result."
I am ashamed to admit I learned that from a recent LTT video.
NO. This is Microsoft BULLSHIT. You are NOT to blame, for the entire history of computing a "Cold Boot" aka, Shutdown and Power On was the method of ensuring a clean boot.
Fuck them for pulling the rug quietly out from everyone without even a warning that "shutdown" is actually now "hibernate".
Exactly this right here. They took away our "have you tried turned it off and on." The bastards!
So they WANT us to open the BOFH handbook and resort to "dirty work?"
My PFY is not gonna like it. Because when pulling power cables from the backs of machines and mobile devices that are LONG over due for battery replacements. We SHUT DOWN this shit in a serious style of "let's see if we hear grinding noises".
Back in my day, we tossed 120GB HDDs across rooms to replace workstations for reimaging. If it hit the floor or was caught, we slapped those things into those caddys and plugged the power cord back in.
To make it fun, we added a timelimit, that last desktop might power backup before HDD swap, power is switched back on for the lab room.
Just thinking about those days brings back memories.
I basically repeat this exchange every time I teach someone this. It’s idiotic and nobody should blame people who are trying to do the right thing by shutting down their computer only to be foiled by MS’s dumbass logic.
Win11 likes to just restart/sleep even when you select shutdown. Its got to the point when i shut down now, i wait for it to be all off except the single rgb near the power button, then i kill the switch on the power supply. Too many times have i shut down, only to come back from the bathroom to a login screen.
I removed back in the XP days when we had a separate hibernate option. Would literally fox this whole thing. I know guys who got their IT degrees in the 2000’s who aren’t aware of this change
Ditto. Having to restart instead of turn off at the end of the day and start in the morning is disingenuous
How do I properly shut it down then? Is there a way to safely disable fast startup? Seems like my PC does that, I checked the CPU run time, shut it down, waited s bit, turned it back on (turned on in 5 seconds ffs) and my CPU has the same exact rub time.
you must select "restart" to truly reboot the system, as shutdown is replaced with a hibernate state.
to disable fast boot so shutdown actually shuts down the system again:
https://pureinfotech.com/disable-fast-startup-windows-11-10/
Thank you! Now after I was free and could research properly, I read that fast startup could actually be the culprit of BSODs, and my PC, being new, has had at least 3 or 4 of those already, and it doesn't have many things installed. I was worried because it's too new to be having those issues if I haven't really tampered with it, so I think this may be it.
Don't be ashamed. Fast startup on shutdown is highly unintuitive.
If I wanted sleep, I'd put my computer on sleep.
why do i have to go into the control panel (from windows 7, because it's not even in the newer version of the same shit) to have shutdown actually shut the computer down and get m hybernate button back?
Same reason why the Win 11 self imaging utility references Win 7. Not enough complaints or too far in the back for anyone to complain.
Is it really Windows if it doesn't go through 3 different eras of menus to do something?
get m hybernate button back?
That's probably because hardware has become so efficient that nobody cares about this little power saving and just uses suspend instead of hibernate.
it's not a power saving feature for me
i think of it as shutdown, but keep whatever was runnung
it also works with bitlocker unlike sleep
I, a mere mortal who follows this sub to better learn how to not vex IT people, learned it from this thread, so you’re ahead of me. Until right now, I thought shut down was a more complete flavor of restart than restart
Well it was, until W10 :/
The what menu? I don’t have that. I just don’t do computers very well, can you just come here?
This guy help desks
It was the thinly veiled bitterness that outed me, huh? lol
Or ideally, get somebody with authority to deploy a GPO to disable fast startup.
That and nightly reboots scheduled via GPO, yes.
My users can't be bothered to even save work and sign out of the machine at end of day though, so we're having to put together a login script to check uptime and "if > 72h" suggest that the computer be restarted.
"Pull the freakin' power cord."
I want you to hold that button down until the screen goes out and then 10 seconds more for good measure.
You said 10 and since you are IT the 10 translates from binary to 2 decimal. Also everything below 5 is rounded down so i just say: Yes i did that.
Or, they held down the screen button, because that also turns the computer off right? RIGHT?
I configured our RMM agent to disable fastboot on installation, got tired of this dance.
"Okay so you've told me already the battery is bad right, good good. Now pull the plug."
We are gonna do this, we are gonna do it with style.
It will reboot on it's own eventually, 135 days is longer than the time between updates that need a reboot, so this is purposefully not shutting down or rebooting the device.
Those are called Windows Update Installations
I’m currently working on implementing a policy change that will push a reg edit to disable fast boot. It seems very straight forward and our sys admin even said that if I had gone straight to him about it would probably be implemented right now but because I’m service desk 1 and I went to my boss about it, he had me file a change request and now we have to do a lot of testing and the big boss wants to double check all the work. Not a bad thing really, my point is just it sounds like it could be an easy fix for people with less red tape to try it.
You can Google search it for details.
Sounds like a lot of micro management. I get some of it - especially for more major changes - but I would hate having to feel like I have to show my work on everything. This isn't 5th grade algebra.
At work we disable this on ALL devices before deployment. One of the worst Windows features in my opinion.
It's why I no longer shutdown via UI. I just do Windows + R, cmd.exe /c shutdown /r /f
I've been doing it for years.
Is that why the up time is so high? I'm gonna check my PC now, it starts up really fast, and if this is the case, I'd like to disable that. I don't want my CPU running for days straight, poor thing
Look, their statement was technically correct. They TRIED. They did not succeed but I bet they literally tried to.
i7 with 8GB of ram? Oof
Just got done upgrading some 9th gen i7s that had 4gb ram and laptop hard drives smh
Some IT dept suck.
Reminds me of what my old coworker used to do. He's buy from these shady surplus stores where they'd sell their decommissioned stuff off even though it was relatively new 3-4 years old but there would be no ram or storage drive. He'd go on boasting about the money he was saving the school and get praised for it but the drives he would add to the computers to make them whole were often 160GB 5400RPM drives so you'd have an i7 4770 with a 160GB laptop drive and like 6GB ram or something. There was a lot of end user backlash when their old computers were noticeably faster than their newer ones because the old computer was a core 2 duo with 4GB ram and a 7200RPM desktop drive. The drive made all the difference. Once we went to SSDs it was like night and day but now our users don't want to accept anything but brand new.
People who only know "i7" and "i5" and don't care about generations are way too common. "My PC has an i7, why is it so slow!", meanwhile it's an i7-2600
Right........
Worst I've seen was a SQL server running for 2 years straight without any updates.
That's a sweaty reboot right there.
tell them to check the outlet to see if it has 3 prongs or 2. Then have them plug it back in and start it up again. Thats how I get a reboot out of people.
Until you find out they are using a laptop
And this is why I implemented a GPO to switch off fast start.
You do know WHY UpTime isn't accurate, right? right?
why not?
Because your pc does not "restart" when you restart or even shut down, everything gets written to your disk and is used to boot up again faster.
edit: Restart should work
How do you make it actually restart? I’ve been using restart when I want to do a clean reboot.
Restart works, but shutdown and the power on does not.
Only if you have fast startup enabled
Hold down shift while you shut down. A restart should work though, it should flush the ram. A normal shut down with fast boot enabled is worthless.
Restarted 3 times right?
CMD: quser
AKA, they pressed power off
install gentoo, that issue will never appear again
You want to make your users suffer with a very unfriendly distro?
Some of them may die, but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make
Ok Lord Farquaad lol.
I would rather carve my tongue out than explain to average user how to add support for a feature they need in kernel config and recompile the kernel.
Ok, the computer is turned off I swear.
In this case it may not be the clients fault. Fast boot now means that for many machines, shut down now acts as hibernate, and restart actually well, restarts. So for the many people who were taught that both shutting down and restart allowed for a cold boot, they may be not actually be restarting and have no clue.
Yeah but I turned it off by pulling the power cable. Thats what you wanted me to do right?
Sigh
Let me guess they just turned the Monitor off and back on again when you asked them to demonstrate how they Reboot their PC ?
You laugh, but I had a client complain her PC wasn't starting up. She was pushing the button on the monitor and never once looked under her desk to see if the computer was on.
In this case it may not be the clients fault. Fast boot now means that for many machines, shut down now acts as hibernate, and restart actually well, restarts. So for the many people who were taught that both shutting down and restart allowed for a cold boot, they may be not actually be restarting and have no clue.
show me how you restarted the computer.
user: precedes to push the monitor button off then on
I'd call them out on it immediately. "It appears you have not, it shows the run time as several days. Please do so now" close the ticket
In this case it may not be the clients fault. Fast boot as a default now means that for many machines, shut down acts as hibernate, and restart actually well, restarts. So for the many people who were taught that both shutting down and restart allowed for a cold boot, they may be not actually be restarting and have no clue.
I am not a believer in the older guys who love to shit on users regardless of the merit of their mistake. I consider myself young but fairly competent, and I only found out about this issue several months after windows 11 came out. I don’t think it does us any good as professionals to be rude when educating people can prevent future tickets
Every time.
Show the processes
This is the computer equivalent of that feeling when you've been awake for longer than you should've and you start to pass out if you stop moving or put your weight against anything.
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Is this fast startup (that basically leaves your cpu running afaik) bad for your PC then? Or shouldn't be a major issue?
Fast startup enabled by default with most computers having ssd's now is the dumbest feature within windows.