I liked it, but the thing that hurt the movie most for me and I know some others was the pacing of the film, the second act kinda drags on and there's barely any ghost busting in the entire movie, I know the original 84 masterpiece wasn't really about busting ghost it was about the characters and story but you'd think after 5 films (counting 2016) that they would make Frozen Empire a little bit more epic from what the trailers and posters made it out to be? I think that's a major reason why this movie isn't doing so well at the box office since it's not a super FUN movie to watch, it's a good little film but people nowadays don't want little films, they want big epic action and high stakes, the frozen empire doesn't happen until the last 25mins
Nope. In with you.
Didn’t drag for me but so much in the previews was for the end of the movie that I kept waiting for that to happen and see what was next then they were just battling in the station and it was over.
Yep I feel that.
But…was it good for you?
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I didn't feel it dragged at all. Quite the opposite. I agree, if have rather it slowed down a little.
Honestly, unless we get a TV series. Beyond a montage, there will not be much ghost busting in any movie, and even then a montage doesn’t make narritive sense in a movie that doesn’t involve the Ghostbusters getting famous again, after being out of business, again.
Montage is fine tho,
Makes it seem like a ton is happening
Right but, if they threw in a Ghostbusting montage in the middle of frozen empire it would have been really weird. Montages imply a fair amount of time has passed. They also imply progression. But there was no need for that, the Gruberson-Spengler‘s had been Ghostbusters for several years by that point. In frozen empire everybody is at the top of there game
I think it says about a year has passed since afterlife?
Trevor was 15 in Afterlife and 18 according to the conversation with Walter. It‘s been three years.
True, that part is right, I feel like I heard somewhere in the movie it said a year too, I’m sure I wrong
we are actually getting an animated series (if you didn’t know) so we’ll see how that turns out!
The problem is they're trying to make these movies more cost-effective, so that means less spectacle. I think it's good that they're trying to rein in the budgets, but it does mean there's limitations on what they can do.
If this is the case they need to start writing scripts around the smaller budget.
Afterlife was, costing only $75m to the reboot's $144m. That made it profitable. Too bad Frozen Empire's budget grew a bit to $100m. If they make another, I expect it to come back down to $75m, if not less.
Imo the problem is that they're trying for spectacle in the first place. It's Ghostbusters. These aren't superhero movies. They don't need big budget action. Instead of that opening car chase scene with the horribly CGI looking dragon they could have just as easily been in a haunted mansion or something doing some Ghostbusting (in fact I'd have much preferred that).
I guess. Certainly, a car chase is expensive, but then, finding or building a mansion set and then having a different ghost effect, who knows how much money that would actually save the production. Personally, I think the sight of a frozen-over NYC seemed like a more useless expense on this last one. I know they wanted to call it Frozen Empire, but it also gets undone after about two minutes, and I'm sure those massive frozen CG NYC cityscapes were quite costly.
My problem is having Phoebe making the foolish choices she does. She’s so much smarter than that.
Emotions can override logical thinking, and her being a teen makes that all the more likely. Plus Egon tried drilling a hole in his own head, so that aspect of her character doesn't come out of nowhere either.
Maybe, but extracting her soul for any length of time from her body was borderline suicidal. Plus, had Garraka killed anyone, it would squarely be Phoebe’s fault.
I disagree that it would be Phoebe's fault entirely. She would shoulder some blame, but she was being manipulated by Melody who in turn was being manipulated by Garraka. Plus Phoebe didn't know Garraka could control spirits, just communicate/command them up until he took control of her.
Garraka did kill at least 1 person though. The smoke shop dude.
Side note, I'm not using this to argue at all, but the mom did tell Phoebe it was okay to make mistakes, and boy did she make some.
Legally, only Phoebe (and her mother and sort-of father) would be held responsible as the court system doesn’t charge ectoplasmic apparitions with criminal negligence.
If they were to try and hold them responsible, they'd first have to connect Phoebe to the cause of what happened, which I'm not sure they can, then they'd also have to determine how the guy died since the law doesn't recognize supernatural activity.
If the law doesn't recognize the supernatural, could any of them actually be charged with any of the damage and death that occurred? I'm genuinely curious. As far as I can tell, the best the law could explain it is as a natural disaster. Even if Phoebe admits to her mistakes and they try to explain it, would anyone believe it? Peck, based on the trailers anyways, still thinks they're frauds. What do you think?
Honestly, it reminded me of yhe time her grandfather tried to drill a hole in his head.
She's book smart, not so much street smart.
I agree Phoebe has no street smarts, but she needlessly risked her life and endangered all of New York City in the process. She outdid her grandfather on that point.
I guess she learned from Uncle Ray.
ETA: Also Egon decided to cross the streams. "There's an extremely small chance that this could work."
Judging by what we saw in the opening sequence, I’m pretty sure Garraka killed a lot of people when he showed up by freezing them to death or running them through with big ice spikes or even failed infrastructure as a result of the big chill. They just chose not to show that on screen even though we know things like that had to have happened. She definitely got people killed. Not that it matters, Ray probably got some people killed when he summoned up the big boi. I’m sure somebody got squished into jelly offscreen.
I agree with you that it seemed a bit out of character considering the risks. But remember when she pulled a neutrino wand on the chief of police? Remember when she mouthed off to Peck pissing him off causing him to ground her from ghostbusting? She has let her emotions get the best of her and cause her to make some dumb decisions in the heat of the moment.
When a female character doesn't act emotional, she's a Mary Sue. When she does, noone would act like that.
smart character makes a mistake mediated by emotions
0/10, awful writing
this character is Walter White
10/10, VRABO VIMCE
Seriously speaking, I think is a bit naive of a reading to say because Phoebe is smart she isn't bound to make mistakes out of emotions. She was already shown in Afterlife to be a bit reckless and impulsive.
She's a teenager and also was pretty much grieving being fired from ghostbusting. Also she had not way to know Melody was being manipulated by Garraka. For me that's enough to understand why she would try a foolish decision to be in the same dimensional plane that cute ghost girl who beat her at chess is.
And it is not like we did have not seen characters making stupid mistakes from emotion before. I meant, we tolerate Walter White trying to throw himself to jail just because of pride and ego. Why we can't understand a teenager?
I admit the pacing doesn't help but it isn't that of big leap of logic to understand what Phoebe did. The movie spells it to you.
This is actually the thing I love about the ghostbusters honestly. Like even the original movies is mostly science and lore and research etc than actual busting of ghosts so I think this film pulled it off beautifully. The thing that hurt the 2016 film with the all girls wasn’t the all girls cast it’s that they tried to make it a faster pace by going “well I invented this and it works just cause it works”. Didn’t embody the spirit (pun intended) of the films very well.
Edit: also I would love a Lower stakes ghostbusters film.
I think at this point Ghostbusters would be better as a TV show. With less fan service please.
Just finished no.2.. wasn't as good as 1 but that's how movies are..
What makes me question is, the magic of raising undead, the dark magic, the flame master magic.. yes im calling it magic but, theirs no origin to where these powers come from?
Or like, if their was their would be a "Magic" society by now.
Can we just talk about this picture for a second? I saw the movie twice and both times this was the actual point that took me out of the movie because I thought "why tf is he wearing sunglasses?" Where did he get them? Did he bring them? Did he put them on just to take them off dramatically? It was dark as shit in there.
I mean, if you're going to be blasting bright lasers at ghosts wearing sunglasses isn't the most illogical thing to do.
Bill didn't care for these movies, he just did it for the money and you know damn well that the producers and director won't argue with Bill so they let him do what he wants, like drinking that whisky bottle and of course having sunglasses when it's snowing out
The whiskey bottle made sense though. Like being in his old spot again, totally made sense. The sunglasses were just confusing.
I fell asleep during it lol never done that in a movie theater before lol
I can't handle how many time she screams phoebe it's annoying..... almost as annoying as the screaming chick in maxium overdrive. Lol
Shite
This movie isn’t doing well at the box offices?
It's in the nebulous zone where they will be lucky to break even on it. It's matching Afterlife's gross overall, but cost 33% more to make than Afterlife did.
Rule of thumb is 3x production budget is a hit. It's going to make 2x, which is not good, especially since it cost $25m more than Afterlife and is going to make less theatrically in a somewhat improved post-COVID marketplace.
The rule of thumb is 2.5x. Take it from Carrie Fisher herself. "A movie has to make two-and-a-half what it costs...and then, after that...it goes into profit..." -Carrie Fisher, 1986
As I just told you elsewhere, the current industry standard is 3x. This was used when I worked for BoxOffice. My managing editor at BoxOffice was Phil Contrino, who is now the director of Media and research at the National Association of Theatre Owners. I trust the guy that does this for a living today in 2024 more than I trust a quote that is 40 years old. Some people will even try and tell you less than 2.5x, as at one point the standard was 2x.
Believe me, I wish the industry functioned in a way where it could be 2.5x, but everything is more expensive, everyone's after a piece of the pie.
Not really no, the budget was 100million and so far it has only made 195mill that's considered pretty bad
No its not.
It hasn’t made its budget back
Idk what you people are taking about , but according to Wiki , as of now the film has made 1.20 billion against its 100 million dollar budget.
I think FE pushed the franchise (all movies combined) over the 1B mark. Not that the movie itself made that much.
Total gross is 110M according to IMDB
Did you actually edit Wikipedia to make a point
??? Are u insane? Go To wikipedia yourself. I didnt edit anything
Well that is highly inaccurate then
Yea just googled some articles and its saying $195 milliom so idk but someone is fucking with wikipedia 😂
Yeah I was confused when you posted that screenshot
It's NOT anywhere near 1.2B...LOL Clown show bud
Blame wiki , not me
If you're rolling a wiki page out to make a point...err look inward bud
I didnt realize it was incorrect until after doofus. It sibt my job to keep up wiki 🤷♂️
There is no need for name calling.
Yes, I understand that's not your job.
When someone spews ignorant information... as fact...like you did.. they still hold the responsibility for that stance... not just "ohhh blame my bad source"
I really enjoyed it. From the trailers I expected the scene of freezing the beach is much earlier in the movie and most of the time we‘ll see them in a kinda post apocalypse NYC, looking for solutions. So it wasn’t what I expected but still entertaining.
I finally got around to it too. Just couldn't fit it in the past few weeks.
I liked it. I didn't love it, but it was fine.
I keep hearing “they didn’t bust many ghosts” aimed at this film as a negative but none of the others.
In 2016 they only caught 1 ghost which was the dragon thing. He got released by the Peck knockoff played by Bill Murray which then caused him to fall out a window. Then at the end they punch, and blast at ghosts but aren’t actually trapping them. They reversed a portal pulling the ghosts that were crossing over back into it but didn’t actually trap/contain them or Rowan.
In Afterlife Egon is shown having already trapped Vinz Clortho which later gets released. Phoebe and team trap Muncher which later gets freed in jail to break them out. So they busted 1 ghost only to have it freed. At the end many ghosts, Vinz, Zuul, etc. get trapped from the field of traps.
In Ghostbusters 2 they stopped Vigo from fully crossing into this world but he didn’t get trapped. They caught the Scoleri Brothers in the courtroom. Besides that I guess people just want a montage like in GB1 and GB2 where it shows them going on calls and having busted a handful of ghosts.
This movie starts with them busting the Sewer Dragon ghost, has them going on calls like to bust Melody only for her to get away or trying to bust Slimer for him to get away. They attempt busting the Possesser ghost at the library and firehouse. They bust/trap Garraka, and the ending has them going off to bust more ghosts. It was them busting ghosts, plot, attempting to bust ghosts several times, more plot, busting their big bad, then going off to bust more. If they make another one they better include a montage of busting ghosts because it’s getting harder to please everyone with these movies.
Spoiler tag?
This thing was roasting hot garbage. The marketing people knew what it should have been, and completely misrepresented it to look more like that.
It would have been my worst film of the year, had it not been for both Rebel Moons.
Oh for Pete sake stop whining not all movies need to be fast paced action packed for them to be good. I really get sick of constant whining over this being written down if you don’t like it fine but you don’t have to go harping on it on these pages like this a few sentences then end it sheesh.
I personally think it should’ve been about the new generation. Not with Paul Rudd or Phoebe’s mom. Bring in new young Ghostbusters and have them try and win the praise from the mayor and the audience.
Weakest villain ghost yet, the chubby guy from answer the call was a stronger antagonist
lol no
right, forgot everything from the 2016 movie is bad because there aren't enough cartoon and toy references
No, it’s because he’s a loser that really doesn’t do anything and gets defeated by getting shot in the dick.
Not sure how he's a loser that really doesn't do anything when he's sort of the main reason for the plot of the entire movie. Completely forgot that everything about the 2016 movie sucks and we should follow public opinion, will remember to do next time.
Whats the kill count for each?
Am I the only one who thought it didn’t drag? In fact I think it should have breathed more