My girlfriend sent me this... what did she mean by this?
MemeSay sure can I borrow 100k?
I, a world class enabler, got my brother to borrow $80k for his flight training at age 40. I told him "it's cheaper than a new F350", and that worked.
He's a FO at SWA now.
You win at life.
I wish. Two airline pilot brothers, and I had to go get an ADHD diagnosis.
You’re probably the fun one anyway, there’s always that
That is true. 4 brothers, 2 fun, messy ones with ADHD, two workhorse commercial pilots with perfect yards, houses, financial lives, and hobbies.
Don’t feel like you’re alone. I was active duty, believed them when they said I could go to mental health for help and not lose my career and was promptly med boarded. Now my younger brother is still active duty doing all the things I dreamed of doing as I got promoted. So yeah, I know the feeling.
Sorry to be Debbie downer.
I spend a lot of time flying virtual airplanes because with my body I’ll never pass a medical.
Sadge. Ah well at least I enjoy my current job a lot.
Love for avation+Adhd+dyslexia= me who can't even read a tail number right half the time
Going to a shrink in the first place was your fatal mistake.
To be fair, the meds help a lot. I don't take them if I don't need them, but if I need to get shit done, they are invaluable. And I don't hate myself anymore, so I got that going for me.
Only $80k? I watched a vid yesterday that said the current average cost is $250k to go from nothing to commercial airline pilot.
He did ATP, starting in the summer of 2019, and it was $80k. He got out of there really quick, I think a new record, but he min/maxxed it to death, and flew every single time he could. He was a teacher before, so he was a natural CFI, and was able to get a non-ATP job at another flight school pretty quick, which led to a Part-135 operator, where he got his 1500 hrs in King-Airs and CJ's.
ATP looks to charge about $110k for that now.
One of the top schools in the US can be done for just $100k in year.
That’s definitely not true as I am almost done paying for mine. Spent 45k 25k to go.
Same happens here with wife..
Mine said that it was a pricy hobby. So a few years later I picked up golf and got a membership. She sure doesn’t say flight sim is an expensive hobby anymore.
Bro hobbies are so expensive. Well the cool ones at least
All of my hobbies are insanely expensive. Flightsim, aviation, cars, photography, scuba diving, guns, fishing, you name it.
Glances at all his brewing and golf and computer equipment: “Fuuuuuuuuuu”
Bro Im like 6 for 8 on that list. We should hang out.
PS compounding Scuba and photography together kicks “expensive hobby” to a whole other level.
Absolutely. Just a housing for a cheap camera will set you back almost a grand
I have a fire truck. Can confirm....
Hahahaha you showed her. 😆 🤣
Take it and head on over to r/homecockpits. That’ll take care of the first hundred grand. Now you’ll need another hundred for your training.
Seriously, people are missing the point of sim games. I play car mechanic sim because I enjoy the game, get to learn, and most importantly CAN’T AFFORD A FULLY FITTED OUT SHOP! 😆
And a body that can clear the medical?
It’s more than that now
At least take a trial flight, and see if you like it.
Source: Simmer to RL pilot.
KLM says yes if you fit their profile
It isn’t 80k for PPL lol. I’m almost finished mine and including books and headsets and travel etc I’ve spent 16k. Will be about 17k once I’ve sat skills test. Every penny is worth it though imo compared to sim flying
Dude where ?
Most ATOs? What school is quoting you 80k?
100k , American Flyers Dallas TX
For your private only??
This sounds like one of those dual programs that does the PPL really quickly at first and then hams out the commercial and ATPL.
ANYBODY CALLING YOU ADK FOR A PRIVATE LICENSE NEEDS TO GET THEIR HEAD CHECKED
I had caps lock on but I honestly I stand by it.
Yep all in one from zero to ATPL and lodging
My girlfriend would be horrified to have my pilot a plane. I think she’s relieved I like sims more than the idea of me getting a pilots license. Regardless of cost lol
That’s how my wife feels about iRacing. Then we went and bought a sports car anyway and I do a few track days a year.
What did you get?
911
There's a term in the industry... Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome... (AIDS)
Yeah, the biz ain't for everyone.
Ha, I know a couple who broke up after he became a pilot.
That is what mine said at least
Mine too. Then I shared the fact crews (pilots and FAs) don’t get paid until the airliner pushes back from the gate.
She instantly understood why I work a desk job. I love flying, but the industry is a fucking racket. What else would you call paying $100k out of your own pocket for the privilege of working a job paying 70% of your working time, at a company that’s always one quarter from insolvency?
“don’t get paid until the airliner pushes back from the gate.”
While this sounds like a great point, it’s a bit of a red herring. What people should care about is what they take home per month on average. If it’s good, who cares where they start counting. If it’s not, the counting method isn’t what you should focus on.
Same thing with the people complaining about unpaid vs paid leave. In most cases, the American total yearly salary is higher than the European one that has “paid” vacation. The real difference is that Europe has laws about the minimum length. How the money is distributed per month is meaningless.
Are all american companies ok with you taking 5-6 weeks off every year?
Probably not, and that’s why we have laws about that in Europe.
I do. I work in healthcare in the US….but I accrue PTO so I’ve earned that time off each year.
its a bit of a red herring
Not when you’re a junior pilot/FA working multiple short trips. Unpaid preflight work might be OK if you’re a senior Legacy airline long haul crew. It’s a very different story for regional crews.
Yeah, but they specifically don’t get a high monthly pay, which is the real issue. It could be fixed just as easily by raising the hourly rate. In either case, employers will only pay what they need to pay. If they have tons of people applying anyway, well…
Note that I wasn’t disagreeing about it being a bad idea. It’s definitely a high up front cost with little job security.
Its definitely a high up front cost with little job security
True, but the real kick in the backside IMO is quality of life. After paying $100k and making crap wages earning hours, you get a proper airline job….at least, it should be.
In fact you’re back to “paying your dues” by working reserve, having no set schedule or consistent time off, and forget about having a social life. Commuting is another layer of BS on top of this, stressing out over missed connections, eating overpriced junk food and paying for hotels just to get to work…
Oh, and your company’s dodging bankruptcy every quarter plus your pay and benefits are well below other professions at your education level. But god help you if your airline does go bust or get bought out, since if that happens you’ll be slinging mochas to pay your bills waiting for your next flight job….
Nah, I’ll work my Excel spreadsheets and play MSFS every two weekends.
Yeah, I’ve never understood why they put up with seniority resetting if you start at a new airline. Ridiculous disincentive for moving around.
Do you want lateral mobility in the industry, or upward mobility at your own airline? The number of airlines out there has always been pretty small, so upward mobility is more important.
They don’t really need to exclude each other. Performance evaluations aside, the seniority number could be based on your career flight hours (landings too maybe). Why is it good that you could achieve upward mobility vs a peer just because they initially worked for a company that went bankrupt?
Probably very very difficult for airlines to tolerate too much churn.
Too many company specific procedures, too much uncertainty with keeping pilots current and type certified etc (and the thought of them leaving).
"But god help you if your airline does go bust or get bought out" makes me think of what happened to TWA when American bought them out
That might have been how it was back in the pre Colgan days in the 2000's and 90's but not anymore.
I spent a total of 45 days on reserve when I started before I held a line. And that reserve schedule was pretty much 4 days on, 4 days off. You absolutely had a set schedule for the month. You don't just spend the month on reserve waiting for the phone to ring.
And the reserve was 2 hour call time. It took me 30 minutes to get to the airport, and another 15 to get to the gate. So basically it meant I just had to be ready to leave in an hour if I got the call. I could go to the gym, go to a cafe. You just treat the 4 day reserve period as a work week where you can just chill and do what you want. You just have all your stuff packed and your uniform hanging up ready to put on.
I had the 4am to 4pm reserve. I wouldn't wake up at 4, I'd just make sure the phone had the ringtone volume set to max if they called (which honestly only happened about 2 times the entire 45 days I was on reserve). If not, I'd just wake up at about 8. If they hadn't called by 9 I knew I wasn't getting called because that is then the 9am-9pm reserve period started. And then at 4pm you were 100% in the clear. But I would quite happily go to a baseball game or a movie after 12. I'd have the phone on in case I needed to make a quick dash home but not once did I ever get a call after 9am.
And most of my flights on reserve were added to my schedule 24 to 48 hours prior. The actual 2 hour phone call happened literally twice the entire time.
They do get high monthly pay. What are you on?
We’re taking about recent graduates at regional airlines. They don’t. Or at least for a while they didn’t. I’ve understood it’s gotten better lately.
A first year FO now at a regional will make 90k in their first year even if they sat on reserve and don't fly once in the entire year... and your typically off reserve in under 60 days now, not 6 months like it used to be.
Once you are off reserve you will be breaking guarantee almost every month, so will easily make over 100k in your first year. And the pay jump from first to second year is significant now.
And that's if you don't pick up any additional flights. You can make $5k just for picking up one 4 day trip on your days off if the rate is high enough. I know people who intentionally bid reserve with max days off in between reserve duties just so they can pick up trips on their days 'off' which are really their only flying days because they don't actually fly on reserve. They fly maybe 6 days per month and pocket 10K a month doing so.
I’m glad it’s gotten better!
My man my first year at my old regional I made 140k. The days of new regional pilots not getting paid are well over.
That’s great. Any idea how many hours you worked that year? Not just in the cockpit but everything else that goes along with it
30 nights away from home
I think he’s referring to the time. If you look at it as per hour pay, is it worth it? I agree it doesn’t make sense to say “pushed back from gate”. Rather, I’d say I was at work how many hours and made how much money. Or more importantly, I was away from home and family how long and made how much money. In the USA I think that’s the hard part part about being a pilot is how many hours are consumed traveling, hotels, really time that can’t be used for yourself or family.
To answer your question: “most of corporate america”…
And Im only half kidding.
Flowing other real world aviation subs though, Im under the impression that by the time you get some seniority and are PIC in a wide body at a legacy airline, the job starts to get more cherry. Still its a lot of travel and time away from home. Not great for family life
But by the time you grunted in all that work to get there, you could also working mid to upper management in corporate america, and you’re generally not one failed medical away from your career going up in flames.
That's not how it works. I get paid a minimum monthly guaranteed number of hours regardless of how little I fly. I can sit on reserve and not work a single day in a month and still get paid 76 hours.
If I go over the 76 hours then I get paid whatever the extra is, plus I can bid on additional flights for 150, 200 or even 300% my regular pay rate.
And the timing starts from the moment the captain drops the break, which can in some cases be well before pushback, and stops when they open the cabin door.
Sure they only pay when you push back but we get paid near 300+ an hour. Credit usually 1000+ hours a year…. Do the math. Working a desk sounds like a form of torture.
Cuz you get paid through the nose when you do pushback... so who the hell cares?
Mine was a bit more realistic and said I should rent my equipment out or find a job setting that stuff up.
I would’ve been a pilot if I didn’t have medical issues. It’s understandable though..
When I was a kid I wanted to be a pilot but my optometrist said I was too colour blind. Anyway, a few years ago I found out it that I'm probably not so colour blind as to be disqualified from flying. So perhaps I could have pursued it? I'll never know now anyway. Too old. And too many dependents to afford learning to fly.
Mainly my biggest concern is the ADHD/Anxiety stuff. Usually most people grow out of the ADHD, but I’ve heard Anxiety is a put down to many jobs
I'm colorblind with adhd 😞
My gf said something similar once and when I asked if she'd trust me enough to fly with me in like a Cessna it was a no lmao
Got VKBs shortly after hahaha
Edit: clumsy thumbs
Mine said the same thing, as if I never thought about that myself. Unfortunately, (and rightfully so) ADHD does not allow you to pass the medical. Even if treated, stimulants are banned as well.
I’m already a pilot lmao
Not to mention the medical evaluation. If you have even one thing on your mental history when you were 5 you ain't passing.
My brother is an airline pilot, he flew 787 for living. According to him, being an airline pilot, especially long haul, is probably one of the most boring jobs in the world. Every decision, heading, altitude, even taxing, are being told what to do, and all procedures are from a manual.m, driving a bus has more freedom than an airline pilot. He said only enjoys flying GA.
I love when people find out how much I've spent on flight Sim gear and then realize that it's like 1/120 of what I'd spend on a comparable setup irl.
The licensing I can probably swing - theres resources and stuff for that. The a380? Little trickier.
Take her up on that and start taking flying lessons.
Once she sees those bills coming in, I’ll bet that tune changes real fast.
Bet. Let’s do it
I've played so much MSFS with the inbuilt ATC, I expected the ATC to order him to climb to FL390.
Echo alpha niner go around.
Echo alpha niner, you were not cleared to land. Clear the runway.
And then tell you to start your decent 40 knots too late so you either have to nosedive like you're doing an A-10 brrrrt run, or just accept the go around. Hopefully MSFS 2024 fixes some of these issues, I mean they damn well better if they're are going to release a whole new damned game instead of updating 2020.
Flightsimmer? Girlfriend?? Pfft, reported for trolling
A lot if not most flight simmers I've met are middle aged dudes with wives and kids.
We're easy to spot - we only fly 1 or 2 hour hops 😂
Married after-dinner weeknight 8pm-11pm VATSIM gang
Pfffffft, I don't even get that much time! 😂
I guess you wouldn't believe that I'm married?? Lol
That phraseology is atrocious
certified simmer
it means that she loves you. it also means that she has no idea on ATC communications
Echo Alpha Niner on final for runway 06 for full stop
Stream and monetize
She meant you need a new girlfriend who lets you follow your hobbies and passions, while she can find a guy who spends the money on booze and coke at the weekend instead.
Premarital sex?
Gotta love the LG OLED Monitor
Well that's just plane mean. At least she can't ground you.
Oh I disagree, had that happen once.
Oof that must've been a turbulent situation.
It was. But I prevailed. Was flying my sim an hour later. When I began flying for a living... she left me. Happier since.
Me when I discovered vatsim in 2010 and did nothing but that for like...years.
Bros regretting it now...
Still married with 4 kids. Somehow we made it.
I have about 20 countries left in my "fill out the passport" achievement for my VA. After that, I will definitely buckle down and find a real job.
I didn't find a NATOPS for girlfriend, so I'm in the dark as well.
Maybe you could ask the manufacturer for a QRH? It would be better than nothing.
Also no Mil-STD's and FARs even no STANAGs AND CSes i mean wtf
She asks you to throw her away
She wants to break up
Join the Navy or Airforce is free!!
Definitely not guaranteed a cockpit job though
Very few people die in flight simulator accidents.
😁 so there have been fatalities though?
Never underestimate people’s creativity.
That means you are doing a great job making yourself happy and you should keep doing that !
Does she sim a housewife?
I haven’t advanced to the “wearing shoulder boards” stage so I should be good.
Actually she needs a real job
Ur a nerd :D me too i dont even have a gf
She needs the pipe ASAP, give her attention
Should i at 40 years old go to medical school or become a pilot?
Do you have a reason to believe you can get through med school? Prob too late unless you have tuition saved up. I think it takes like 7 or 8 years to start seeing the real ROI.
Plenty of peeps become pilots a bit later in life
Id have to pay off a house and try I guess. I'm still working 94 hours a week in the oil patch. I wouldn't mind doing something else...
Btw if you're selling your setup. I'll buy it. 😂
The bigger deal is there is no real equivalent sim they can have ... the industry needs to do better
You need a real job
She won’t be so much of a smart ass, when the pilot and copilot fall ill, on a flight you are on!!
So funny *. Your girlfriend either has a fantastic form of humour or she really knows you well, otherwise marriage.
One thing I can confirm as a sim pilot
I can walk away from every "landing", no matter how tragic
Damn.
Fake No girlfriend for pylotes And wives have an actual bF
Plot twist: he is a pilot of MQ-9 or smth working from home.
OUR girlfriend
Jokes on you i dont fly real planss cause im epileptic 😎 we are not the same.
Is this a loss?
Become a pilot
Because of your 'hobby', she just ain't into you anymore... so she's leaving you for your best friend who feels the same way about you as she does.
Damn that is salty, you old dog
Passive aggressive bullshit. STAY WITH ME ON THIS‼️ When she saw this online, she (or one of her friends) immediately thought of you. That meme does not promote anything positive about Men or Women.
The "accusing your Op of doing what you, yourself are doing." approach
It frames men who play video games as not being able to separate the differences between reality and fantasy. When it's actually a woman that has movies playing in her that only star her, written by her, directed by her.
It frames women as being like their boyfriends nagging mother. Which no woman wants to feel like they have to be their mans mom. Cuz the moment they view it as such they lose all respect for their boyfriend. Now he's just a person who wants to keep her from being happy.
But she will never tell you she lost respect for you outright. She'll tell you indirectly. Like the meme for instance.
If you have to wonder about her you got to leave her.
You want someone that will communicate with you and to communicate with you they have to respect you.
Friend, You thought way too deep into this
how long have you been single?
It's a feminist micro aggression seeking to hobby shame you into isolation under her control.
Flip it back to her and find out. It means she's already cheating with your replacement who is ambitious and thus she'll be able to retire in bout 10 years with a hefty divorce severance bonus package.
/S
Tell her to shut up and bring you some coffee
OP pretending to have a GF, bless.
My guess is she means stop playing games and get a job..
While I’m impressed by the quality of pc flight sims, it’s a far cry from the real thing.
Not really I mean I wait about as long sat at the airport waiting for the lateness of easyJet as I do a world update.
"If you are willing to spend that much time flying fake airplanes, you might as well become a real pilot and get paid for it."
That is what mine said at least.