Joe Biden lost about two points of support after the CNN debate

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After Joe Biden's disastrous CNN debate, he lost a grand total of two points of support in the You Gov weekly tracking poll. Trump gained nothing.

Among independents Biden lost four points and Trump, remarkably, lost one point. Their support mostly went to RFK Jr. and Jill Stein. This suggests that Trump really does have a ceiling on his support.

On average, other polls also show Biden losing a net of 2-3% after the debate. This is remarkably little, probably due to a combination of low viewership and high partisanship.

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Delduthling

In another poll, he's down by 6.

It should be noted he was also losing fairly convincingly before the debate. He's down in every swing state except Wisconsin (where he is tied), some by large margins. The debate was a chance to reverse that momentum; instead, it's worsened it.

Sad_Organization_674

Yeah Reddit never seemed to look at any polls or accept the fact that people are dissatisfied with Biden. In this sub, a guy said he was a gay Puerto Rican who was voting for Trump because of inflation and he got downvoted to oblivion.

The lower income/lower education segment of America plus people who want low taxes are a majority of this country. We get the leaders we deserve.

Delduthling

It was astounding to me the way a large segment of the sub reacted to Ezra's initial call for Biden to withdraw. Can you imagine how much less chaotic all of this would have been if Biden had bowed out in February or March?

Sad_Organization_674

Or before? If he had said last year that he’s retiring, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Delduthling

There could have been an energizing primary and everything!

Sad_Organization_674

I know right? Get people involved again.

They could have had a primary, but they needed to make it less about which candidate is black and which one is a woman, etc. Democrats have dug an identity politics hole that don’t know how to climb out of.

BenjaminHamnett

Power has a mind of its own. When in doubt, People just want to accumulate power cause it always seems so liquid. Like we’re always saving it up for some virtuous future heroic purpose. But power calcifies and becomes rigid and brittle with age. Along with any sense of what is virtuous. To be that successful he becomes surrounded with politicos who just align themselves with power at all costs, with the same idea that being closer to power they’ll make heroic virtuous nudges when it matters.

All this power chasing emboldens rivals doing the same thing, ignoring their own hypocrisy and wrongs.

Dictators can do great things, just like Biden did a good 4 years. Those politicos got the job done. But now they’re blinded and can’t see what they knew 4 years ago. This was always supposed to be a one term president.

Kamala never developed into a presidential candidate and like a classic Democrat just feels entitled.

Sad_Organization_674

Moving beyond politics, I see how a sense of power affects people. Like all these tech billionaires who keep working for three decades. Same with a lot of business type careers - people hanging onto 80 hour workweeks so they can have influence over a CEO’s decision-making. Why? Seems dumb. The second I make enough money to not work I’m on a tropical beach the rest of my life.

These people have some internalized sense of lack they they’re trying to fill with being a big shot. As you say, the present is just an investment into some future larger score they’re aiming for. They’ve always thought like that and it becomes a drug, just need that next hit. Delaying actual living and always pushing off your sense of worth to the future. It’s gotta be hell living like that. These people can’t see that though.

BenjaminHamnett

We’re all more susceptible to this than you think. Even being middle class is really just insulating yourself from the poor so you can focus on some niche. Then you can have just enough money that if your kids are lucky they can get a degree and do the same thing. It’s all status chasing.

Want to live on a beach? Spin the globe and point at a beach. Go to Google and look at street view of that beach. Cost of living, rent etc. Can go buy a van or a tent and be living there next week. You can even do this in Florida or socal, Mediterranean etc. You can just nomad with seasons. Eat beans, eggs, nuts etc. You’ll still be living better than most people ever lived. But everyone would call this poverty. When the number one cause of death is too much wealth (obesity, depression and other rich diseases), We’re already in a proto post scarcity world

Many people do their own version of this. Living on the edges of society, hunting, fishing gardening. In forests and mountains. they are a silent majority. Society and culture is all built by people who participate and interact with the machine,the spectacle.

Meditation and mindfulness or psychedelics make this all very blatant too. Even spirituality and religion. Folk culture etc. You can always just opt out.

There is no winning the game either. “You wouldn’t want to be me”-Elon musk. Would you want to be Trump or Biden? Unlikely. People living in HCOL areas making 300k a year talking about how they’re just making ends meet etc. How many celebrities and Wall Street suicides. While Viktor frankl is just chillin in a concentration camp

Sad_Organization_674

Your last paragraph. There’s is no winning the game. I see that more and more every day.