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Revoked in 1554, but never done a WC before. How tedious would it be from here?
Question![Revoked in 1554, but never done a WC before. How tedious would it be from here?](https://preview.redd.it/fqil0lbxoiad1.png?auto=webp&s=85d2fa141ad45ba332aa2aff2d60625e4e8dc6a7)
I would have done this before and I thought it is quite tedious. I recommend just to let your vassals fight all the wars in Europe and the middle east for your. You then just focus on India and China. Let your vassals core as much as possible
Tip for getting Spain, Portugal, and England in the HRE in 2-3 wars: create a path to their capital of HRE provinces. Core and add into the HRE their new capital. Return capital to them. Take new capital in next war. This moves their capital to the HRE province and they will automatically join the HRE (May need to improve relations, but you won’t need to go to war with them ever again). You will then full annex them when you hit the “create HRE” reform.
You will also take over all their colonial nations, meaning you don’t have to set a single foot in the America’s yourself.
This isn’t really even worth doing anymore. Power creep is so high with admin mana income, CCR, and warscore cost that big European powers can be annexed in like 2 wars in AoA (or sometimes sooner). That exploit used to be a difference-maker when mana and warscore could actually gate a WC. Nowadays you’d just cap admin points because you didn’t directly conquer enough stuff
It is a lot less warscore to add them to the HRE and then annex them when you pass the final reform. I only ever use it for colonial powers simply because I can't be hassled to go siege down all of the americas.
I thought this trick didn't work anymore?
Does this still work with the current version?
OP already has Spain and a good chunk of France.
I have like 4,000 hours in this game and 4,000 hours in EU3.
I find World conquests really boring. I have done it as the Ottomans. If you're going for World conquests you really quickly hit a point where nothing can stand against you and it's just a really really tedious mop-up operation.
It's just not fun(for me) to curb stomp a bunch of people who stand no chance against you. It might be fun once as a power trip but it gets old pretty fast.
Most of my games these days I will unite like a few regions together to get some nice borders and then just build up and roleplay my kings based on their traits and my national ideas. It's pretty fun.
I can't help/ advise you here...No WC for me; nor do I ever see it happen.
"because I am very lazy"
So am I....I don't think I'd have the determination to go for WC, certainly not at the moment because I struggle a lot mentally and physically (I also need to keep an eye on my 2 'Carpet Sharks' when they are awake).
I wish you all the best with your attempt though :)
Make sure you have a lot of vassals on the front.
Have Religious ideas so you get the free CB. Just own a province or two here and there on the front so you actually border your enemies.
Declare a war and destroy the enemy. Take 100% of provinces and give all of them to your vassals in long thin strips (except for a couple here and there so you border your next enemies).
Repeat.
Every world conquest is tedious. It's an unfun thing to do.
That said, you are clearly well-positioned to pull it off.
What does R5 mean i see it a lot here
A reference to rule 5, you need to comment on a post to explain the post, otherwise the post gets deleted.
I completed a one faith + world conquest run a month or so ago with a similar setup (HRE vassal swarm). It's a world conquest, so it's definitely tedious, but micro is less because of the vassal swarm. I probably only used my own armies in mopping up the Pacific Islands, East Asia, and getting positioned in the new world. If you want to get a world conquest, this is probably the easiest it's going to get.
How did you revoke so quickly? Whenever I have tried, the game throws ever single curveball and speedbump in my way. I've only ever successfully revoked once, took me till the 1600's. And that was with a lot of luck. With 1.37 it just seems harder to revoke as well.
Honestly depends on how strong your pc is, the gameplay isn't too bad if you get a few cannonstacks and focus on the important sieges. But some pc's slow down to a crawl with the vassal swarm
I had to buy Geforce Now subscription because my PC couldn't manage doing Three Mountains with Daimyo cheese.
Very tedious, as any wc is. But you dont need to fight constantly 2 wars and be at 150OE, with the hre its ways more chill ;)
Tipps:
Look up the strat how you can insta bump your absolutism to at least 80 (the one with accepting particularist demands right 3 month before the age of absolutism starts and directly reducting autonomy)
Found the HRE before the age of absolutism, as you want instantly to get the most important missions done. While being a vassal swarm you might be stronger, but your expansion rate is stronger as HRE.
Consider conquering italy as fast as possible to reform into sardinia piemont and then into italy/france before forming the HRE.
Find a way to deal with the other colonial nations (port/GB), my way was to just annex them fully in 1632, then you will become the overlord, if you have wuestions here, i can help you)
Malta Forts & Alhambra are the most important great projects, get them to lvl 3 as fast as possible
Find a way to deal with the other colonial nations (port/GB),
As Austria especially you can definitely PU every colonizer by like 1600, in fact in my opinion it's one of the key things to focus on earlier. Just get the T2 with favour growth and eat any stab hit to get heir on throne / claim throne / declare for PU, you're super far above relation limit but you get everything as PU then get to use integrated PU and you save a truckload of time fighting wars in colonial eras by PU colonial nations doing their wars + them having their armies close when you clean up some areas like SEA.
Yeah, as austria you can definitely do it before 1600 and its best when you pu them quickly after they picked both colonial idea groups, but there are some restrictions and other possibilities, thats why i didnt specify any method and offered advice ;)
For example when youre playing on VH, you cant set your dynastie on their throne with favors.
I spend around 3,5 years to annex GB and Portugal - so thats not to bad and pretty reliable :)
Normally I inherit them when my ruler dies/abdicates. The diplo rep + modifiers you get from mission tree helps a lot
I meant annex throught one war, not an pu :D
If your total dev is about 3k and otherwise good around 1600 then you can WC relatively easily with most countries and setups. A bit tedious though.
I'd say there is even less dev needed but that would ask the question of what you were doing all the time until 1600.
I meant mine purely in terms of tedium---the tedium increases the less dev you have by 1600.
Minimal effort compared to "normal" WCs since you wont need to manage multiple wars or OE
Im not sure if subjects outside of europe can join the HRE but even if they cant you have a very strong autonomous army which will make things easy ...and laggy
Start prepareing to max absolutism by 1630, take alhambra and malta and youre golden, id say leave europe for last ..but you already got that
What does Ambria and Malta do?
Admin efficiency for the great project in al Hamra and war score reduction for Malta. Upgrade to max asap .
How do I upgrade? Kind of embarrassing for me as I have easily 5k hours into this game. Currently in a Provence->Jerulsalem-> HRE run
You see the picture of the great project when you select the province? You just upgrade it on one of the buttons next to it.
It's from some DLC
Oh I don’t have all the DLC just the main ones. Will have to see if I have this option. Usually I see the great projects like Suez Canal.
You need the leviathan DLC for all great projects/monuments besides the canals
Problem with vassal swarm wc is the lag. I never done it because it is unbearable in my machine.
Wait, if you’re going for WC you don’t want to revoke yet. Use the vassal swarm to kill everyone else first. Then release new states and add them to the empire, rinse and repeat.
Revoke is getting the vassal swarm. Renovato imperii is the annex into hre
Ah. I thought so, but then I saw this pick and didn’t see any vassals. My bad.
yeah thats just the player mapmode. if you look close you see the thin outlines of the German minors
How far can you go that way? Can you only integrate Christian nations?
Their capital must be on the continent of Europe.
Once they are your vassals inside HRE, they can be used to fight wars all over the world. But having so many vassal armies can also slow down the game a tad.
Their capital must be connected to the empire, but any province of theirs can be in Europe. I thought the same as you but someone on here proved me wrong last week. Not sure if it changed recently or I was always wrong
You take land with the swarm. And then you add them to the empire. Then you release them as new tags and they’ll ask to join the empire. Just keep this going. It can sometimes be tough to get it past certain spots but in that case just take the land yourself. Going overextension isn’t as bad when you’ve got vassals running their troops everywhere - they’ll help kill your rebels, and you’re a lot stronger with them than when consolidated.
Yeah, I had a try at the vassal swarm. Couldn’t play too far though because the game started to become a crawl and I wanted to try an Ironman run with it. It was impressive.
I was in a similar position to you and this thread I started had a ton of very valuable advice for completing it, which I did. You have so much time left in the game you can take a pretty relaxed approach to WC.
Not tedious if you don’t give a shit about neat and tidiness. Just stack warscore cost and ignore OE, let vassal armies kill rebels and use your own armies to win sieges.
After 2 WCs (one being a true one tag) as Austria, the most annoying part was sieging lvl.6 forts in Indochina. A lot of OPMs were living as tributaries. So I annexed their overlords and had to stab up a lot of times to to 3-4 years sieges. Another part was fighting big countries, and then the micro part comes. Colonizers were a problem but after I put my capital im Mexico and ate them without european involvement it was chill.
Literally did this last week + one faith from a similar position.
Always boring at the end. India is a giant fort by the end, which is tedious AF.
I like to put a long tendril across eurasia so you get access to east asia and everything in between. If ming is broken, try to vassalise them and reclaim all of China. Give as much as you can to your HRE vassals, as they will be integrated for free, no matter how large they are, and won't rebel against you. Generally try to release nations and reclaim cores. If you have a bunch of wars at the same time (you should probably do that) careful with timing peace outs, as you need a bit of peace to release nations. Late game use client states!
Good luck.
How does one do what you have done?
All WCs are tedious, but HRE swarm WCs are the least tedious. My first was an HREmperor France WC.
Your progress at this point is less than more experienced players, but a revoke pre-1600 with as much land as you have is pretty much guaranteed to be a successful WC.
From this point, your priority is de-blobbing the great powers you haven't already. From the looks of it, Russia, the Ottomans, Great Britain, France, Scandinavia, and Portugal are still kicking.
The Ottomans should be your priority here: they will keep expanding east and south and making it harder to fight them. The sooner you weaken them, the less they will blob. Russia also will expand eastward, but not nearly as much as an unchecked Ottomans.
The good thing is that you don't need to worry about AE in Europe at this stage with so few tags left, and since the biggest players are all presumably in Europe, you can annex without regard for OE and just make new princes/give land to your vassals. Don't be afraid to release Sunni vassals in Anatolia, convert them, and add them to the HRE.
Russia is prime PU target. As christian i never bother with actually dismantling Russia.
Extremely tedious. WC is about patience a lot more than about skill.
Once my forcelimit gets 100, I kind of loose interest in the run unless I'm going for a certain achievement. WC, one tag, one culture, one religion? That shit doesn't appeal to me. Never tried, never will.
Easy I guess but by that time I always have few colonial nations
Honestly the hardest part is making sure to take enough land for yourself to snake your way into Asia. Declare war on everyone you can at once, and have your armies almost entirely in Asia and on islands. Peace out one war at a time and never go over 100 overextension (give land to ur many vassals).
U can be in 8-10 wars at once if u want too, it's. Basically impossible for you to lose now.
It's boring as sin, honestly the least fun wc in my opinion, but not hard in any way
Just noting that you’re not really set up for a WC yet, because it looks like you haven’t left Europe. Spain presumably has colonies, which helps. And it’s before 1600 so it’s fine. Ideally by 1550 you want to have a presence in North Africa and a charter port in India by this point. You can’t even see India (what a good time to get AE with Muslims before they know about you).
Basically: you’re super powerful, but AE is still a problem, and you need to be to split that between different regions as you grow. As well as be able to take advantage of local weaknesses and vassal opportunities. You can’t do that if you’re not there. It shouldn’t be hard to get to this point, by 1600 though. Then you get to look forward to the fun micro of flipping back and forth between wars in Africa, India, and Europe happening simultaneously.
Only one way to find out. 😀
How good is your pc?
Yes
Huge swarm is the best way to do wc since it reduces the tedium. You coudl wC from here, but you'd need to hury and get to india asap.
I would never wc without a swarm outside of maybe trying for 3 mountains because of how tedious it is
WC's are always tedious. it's going to be multiple afternoons of doing the same thing over and over knowing the outcome while going through the motions.
The bottleneck is core creation and or diplo annexation cost. That's why you usually tag switch to max one of them out if you want to finish early.
HRE is an end game tag so you can no longer tag switch and have to go at a pretty relaxing pace until absolutism. You'll probably be finished around 1700-1750.
And neither of those bottlenecks are relevant when you're doing it with the HRE swarm. Feed all of the Old World to your vassals, make it a multicoloured ribbon nightmare, they do all the coring. No need to diploannex anything (except any subjects that have colonial nations, I guess).
OP has already revoked, there is no HRE swarm. But yes, in a different playthrough eyalets, razing, HRE swarm, and probably some others, allow you to get away without paying for coring.
Revoking means you create the vassal swarm. It is the penultimate Imperial reform.
Renovatio Imperii is the final reform which removes the swarm. If OP had done that, he would be the HRE tag, not Austria.
You're right, I was wrong, I interpreted the image incorrectly.
Yah, the "Player" map mode is kind of confusing, it just shows all the subjects coloured in the same as the player's own tag.
I mean, it would be about as un-tedious as it could possibly be. Focus on getting as much "stabilization" modifiers as you can get to make it as easy as possible. -revolt risk, +tolerance of the true faith, religious ideas and as much missionaries as you can, and most importantly Humanist ideas. Any form of "Reduced years of seperatism" is absolutely gold because it will make conquering go that much more smoothly. If you didn't know revolt risk from seperatism is based on the amount of years of seperatism left. So if there's 15 years of seperatism left the province will get +7.5 revolt risk. So the -10 years of seperatism from humanist is effectively -5 revolt risk in newly conquered provinces. You want to aim to be able to go like 200% over extension or more without suffering any revolt risk penalty in your same religion lands. With the right countries and religions you can push that up to even like 300 or 400%. Imagine going 300% overextension and your home provinces are still at 0 revolt risk.
And of course all the usual stuff like Admin efficiency and coring cost.
Since you're this big you shouldn't have to take any military ideas except offensive for siege ability. Although if you're not comfortable in winning wars then maybe also take Quality too so your wars will be easy to stomp the AI.
But at the end of the day, any world conquest is going to be a slog. There's no real way to get away from that. But if you ever have wanted to WC then this is probably as good as opportunity as you can hope for. You already have Europe by the balls which is by far the most annoying continent to conquer.
It's the late game lag that makes everything a suffering, yes it gets tedious if you have OCD by deleting buildings, but that part is manageable
How'd you do that so quick? What's the strategy to quickly revoke/get vassal swarm?
PU Bohemia, Hungary, and Poland. Get Burgundy or in my case fight Brittany for it (lol), use them to beat up the Italians to get them to stay in the HRE, then take turns beating up and releasing the minor nations inside of France, Ottos, and Lithuania in order to have lots of mid sized countries to Expand Empire into to farm IA quickly.
Stop the protestants by reducing the center of revolution countries down to a single province and force converting them in the peace deal. I got lucky- 2 free cities and Saxony converted, so I only had to eat the AE for 3 of Saxony's provinces. Same thing with the reformed CoRs- Monserrat, Saluzzo, and Switzerland spawned them, so that was 2 easy force conversions, then making the Swiss spit out Geneva and 3 League into a truce break to reduce them to 1 province and force convert. Abdicate whenever possible, and for the HRE incidents that don't really matter- Hansa, etc- pick the one that you get the most IA from.
How the hell you get that in 1550? If I do that, apart from being practically impossible I get an unsustainable amount of overextension the breaks the country apart while a massive coalitions declares war on me. Please explain.
Revoking does not involve much conquest, so you should not be dealing with overextension. The trick is to carefully time when you gain IA so you pass reforms with an exactly minimum amount. This involves some predictions about when you should be at war or peace, knowing when to use expand empire, and controlling truces so you can snuff out the reformation at first sight.
Yeah, well, that doesn't explain much but thanks for trying.
If you were asking for some kind of full tutorial in a throwaway comment you're going about it the wrong way. What I said is the summary of how it's done. If you don't know how to do those things, you should go look up a guide. There's tons of them.
No, but the moment of "predictions about when to be at war or peace" destroyed the climax.
It's a strategy game bud. If you don't like that answers are going to require you to be dynamic and think for yourself a bit you should try a different type of game.
Stack siege ability and wait for absolutism to make it more bearable
I remember the first time I played HRE my PC wanted to explode everything was in slow motion fun times
Not really if you have high absolutism. And have admin and diplo ideas for cct province war score cost. Also could use diplo cost if you are planing to make and annex vassals outside of Europe.
Very. I'm at 1743, have most of the world and it's just killing rebels, waiting for admin points and giving my CPU a stroke when I declare war.
Very
If you already say tedious now, you are gonna be in trouble
I just did this last week for my first WC/OF. Had a similar start to you. I got PU on England and Russia by spreading dynasty and then truce breaking with claim throne. You can usually get a RM since they are too weak to rival you and you have insane Diplo rep. Then have subjects fight most of the Africa and Near East wars. Keep a couple 40k stacks on suppress rebels in each region. Then take another couple 40k stacks to take out island nations while subjects are fighting other wars. In my game North America had some giant federations. I had to remember to enforce peace on them to protect holdings in the Americas.
R5: Just curious for other's opinions on how micro it would be to actually WC from here because I am very lazy.