Remixing Moth to a flame by SHM - BPM problem

Hello everyone.

I'm trying to remix Moth To A Flame by SHM ft. The Weekend.
The idea I have is to make it a track close to the melodic house / melodic techno genre, therefore characterized by a higher number of bpm than the original track (120 bpm, bring it to 126 bpm) with slightly more drums and bass characteristics aggressive (for example, the presence of a rolling bass pattern).

Once the various stems have been extracted and inserted into the FL Studio project at 126 bpm, using the Fit to tempo function I raise the vocal by 6 bpm.

In the drop part of the original track, when I place a kick and a rolling bass, I have the audio sensation that there is a speed gap between vocal and kick-bass. This sensation increases if I also place a trance pluck that plays the first and third notes of the chord progression.

I'm trying to understand if it's something that bothers me or that there might be a reason for it.

I ask you:

Could it be that the Fit to tempo function of FL Studio has not worked well?
Could it be that the original track is "generically" 120 bpm but the vocal has moments where it is slightly slower?
To overcome this sensation of different bpm, I thought of introducing a bit of delay on the voice at the pause points. Could this be a valid idea in your opinion?
To find a similar reference and understand if it is something that can still be good, are there any tracks known to you that have a vocal part that goes at a speed that seems different from everything else?

Thanks guys!

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Ziolo99

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19d

enable clip streching and go through that vocal part with a metronome cutting up and adjusting positions. If you drown it with enough effects it will hide all the artifacts that may appear.

Simonelp24

19d

Thanks for the reply, Ziolo.

So you recommend me to stretch the vocal and do some cut and draw to position the beginning of the individual vocal moments on the precise grid, right?

rogueblades

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https://imgur.com/a/5UxYNfc

Here's an example from my daw. My project is at 128 and the sample was at 120. I don't really use FL's "fit to BPM". Instead I stretch things by hand and then chop up the samples to make them work. You can use effects like delay and reverb to help mask the cuts if needed. You can also use really fast volume automations.

Sometimes, if a specific word or syllable just doesn't fit with what Im doing, I will make a unique instance of that sample just for that word/syllable and stretch it as needed.

You also want to make sure you have your sample's time stretching mode set to "Stretch Pro" or one of the other settings that retains the original pitch of the sample.

Simonelp24

19d

Ok, so you stretch your sample to be sure it fits on the lines of the playlist.

And if there is a word or something like this which doesn't fit with the lines after the stretch, you cut it and drop where you need it to be. Using delay and reverb to mask the thing...

Great, I've to try.
With the SHM track I've the feeling that also the way he says the words is a bit slower that the bass and kick at 126 bpm, so maybe it needs another stretch...

rogueblades

https://soundcloud.com/rebornsound

19d

Ok, so you stretch your sample to be sure it fits on the lines of the playlist.

Basically, yes. You can usually tell when your waveform is set in tempo because peaks will line up with the lines on your playlist. Though, sometimes you want them off the grid to actually match the rhythm of your song.

Using delay and reverb to mask the thing...

Yes, but only when needed. sometimes the rest of the track will mask the vocal cuts. One of the best things about making house remixes is that a four-on-the-floor rhythm can do a lot of the masking for you if you can make cuts around the kick/snare line.

With the SHM track I've the feeling that also the way he says the words is a bit slower that the bass and kick at 126 bpm, so maybe it needs another stretch...

One thing ive noticed about rap/hiphop/rnb is sometimes the vocalist will get a little loose or off-beat with their delivery (which might work great for their original track but not so great in a remix). Sometimes, your edits just wont be enough to make the sample "work" in your remix.

Simonelp24

19d

Yes, I guess also the drum beat could help me to mask some problems with the vocal.

So in your opinion, the adaptation of a vocal to a remix can contain inevitable rhythm imperfections, dictated by the fact that that vocal was constructed for a track that was perhaps "similar" but still different?

For me, the fact that there are some imperfections is not a problem, I think it is precisely in the nature of the remixes. Obviously I wouldn't want there to be a lot of imperfections..