How do you perceive how the time lords and Daleks died.

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As someone with OCD I find it really hard to watch a show (especially doctor who) without worrying over the mechanics.

Now I just finished watching asylum of the Daleks and we see Daleks that existed before the time war and I have heard that in the shows future the doctor will come across Daleks that existed before the time war and apparently time lords in 13’s era. What really confuses me is all the post online saying the time lords and Daleks were wiped from history when they died, is this definite or is it speculation? Cause it would make sense that only the time lords in the time war died therefore stopping their future development and events that led up to the time war still stand. That was my thoughts but my theory is a little confusing when I try and picture how species in the universe know time lords are dead, how are the effects of the time war apparent?

What is everyone’s thoughts, how do you perceive it, did the time lords and Daleks die all throughout time?

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sergeantexplosion

When Dalek Caan temporal shifted back to the Time War, he messed everything up by having an entire fleet (plus Davros) survive.

I find daleks to be a lot like cockroaches. Or bedbugs. Honestly you'd have to torch the building to get rid of them forever

Calaveras-Metal

Its one of those things thats hard to pin down. There were a few times that The Doctor or some other character said or implied they were wiped from history, but During Tennants run he says 'burned'. I'm pretty sure a few other Doctors said stuff to that effect as well. But then is he talking about just the stuff that happens when wars go on, or is that the final fate of Gallifrey? Then you have them coming back during various other Doctors so how were they wiped from history?

Fair-Face4903

A war in time, from our Human 3(ish) dimensional perception, wouldn't make any sense at all.

A billion billion alternate aborted universes with their pasts and futures collapsing and being re-written moment-to-moment on the whims and needs of the belligerents.

All we can really understand is that in the end it came down to the Time Lords of Gallifrey and the Daleks and The Time Lords were losing, badly.

The Doctor(s) ended the Time War by effectively destroying both parties, leaving only 2 survivors.

The Daleks managed to survive by hiding the Dalek Ark in the space between universes, Gallifrey survived thanks to The Doctor(s) and also eventually returned.

The Master then killed all of Gallifrey after learning of the Timeless Child.

The effects of the Time War are remembered only slightly, it happened and the higher races remember it. The Lower races (including humans) have vague memories and legends of the events.

I headcanon Unit Dating as scarring from the Time War, but YMMV.

90ssudoartest

Wasn’t the dalek arc a prison ship?

Fair-Face4903

It was, but the Cult Of Skaro took it into the Void to use as a survival tool instead.

NightmareChi1d

The Time Lords were losing, badly

Technically, they were winning badly considering what Rasilon was about to do when the Doctor ended the war. :P

Fair-Face4903

There's losing badly, and then there's Losing Badly on purpose and claiming it as a win.

Time Lords are *such* dicks.

NightmareChi1d

/headcanon

Also, if that's not good enough of an explanation, wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

The_Rider_11

It's a war of time, that existed outside our ordinary four-dimensional spacetime, throwing around with concepts like causality or history like we throw around with grenades in our wars. It very likely makes logical sense (within the universe) but we as mere ephemeral beings who are used to a 3+1 dimensional spacetime just cannot grasp it.

It may also have to do with the timelock, where all of Gallifrey's past is locked in time. Or maybe the DWEU thing of Gallifrey existing on a seperate timeline, making all of their history inaccessible to our timeline, is canon to the main series.

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