FIGHT ME
Meme / HumorThe call let’s me use Buried Bloodline too, so it’s barely better in my mind. And it’s craftable so I don’t have to farm a stupid dungeon for it.
To be clear, the dungeon is good and fun content.
100%. It’s not like you have to farm Ghosts of the Deep or something (not that I hate GotD.. it’s just way too fucking long.)
I did gotd 14 times before i got the hunter cloak. 9 NAVIGATORS BEFORE THE FUCKING CLOAK
I've done it once, got the whole set and navigator minus the cloak. Not complaining now, but not looking forward to doing it again.
Did it once. Got nothing worth keeping.
The navigator be damned. I can't stand that dungeon
9 navigators out of 14 runs? No wonder none of my team has it yet, you’re hoarding them all
I started dismantling and infusing them after #3
Damn, I just did it the first time last night and got the boots, cloak, and helmet. Pretty sure that means I've used up all my luck and won't be seeing the Indebted Kindness that I wanted, lol.
Oh I for sure hate it, the ad density AND boss shields are a pain to deal with and I’m glad those went away for Warlord’s Ruin
I’m still looking for a good solo build that works in the TFS since I hear bosses 2-3 are more tanky now. And I don’t want to deal with LFG
Getaway artist prismatic warlock running feed the void and bleak watcher has probably been the most fun build I’ve ever used in this dungeon. Insane survivability and crowd control. Song of flame, witherhoard and edge transit for DPS
Give microcosm a spin. Nova warlock has been treating me very well with devour and a mix of other things. The arc slide melee is insane for both pvp and pve, and the normal arc melee is great for a pinch. Just slap and evaporate the closest enemy.
I got my solo flawless done on titan recently and the standard consecration/knockout with levi breath on ogre and khvostov on bosses 1/3 worked well, just have to remember to take the time to consecrate adds at the start of each dps phase. Bonus points for running spirit of contact on the class item for faster clear pre-dps.
Yea but it's a dungeon and a pain in the ass to solo and a pain in the ass to deal with toxic lfg.
I miss when my friends played this game and we could fail and have fun. Now I can't even learn what's good without getting called slurs I've never heard of before. And yes, i was YouTube before I do anything idk how to do
I LFG'ed into GotD and it wasn't toxic.
Are you trying to join "Experts only" "Meta loadouts" runs ?
Other than farming the Dungeon, because let's be real Warlords Ruin is top 3 Dungeons, I completely agree that The Call is marginally better because I can use the GOAT Buried Bloodline
Just got buried bloodline, whats so good aboutit?
It gives you devour, has good damage and ammo economy, and with the catalyst weakens targets, it is really good for general buildcrafting and especially void builds like Gyrfalcon's Hauberk Hunter or Nezarec's Sin Warlock for example
Nice, wish there were people running the catalst again!
Hey it’s not too tricky solo, tip for you. In the secret boss room at the end of the catalyst run. Killing one thrall with graviton lance will perpetually kill everything in the room as the thrall respawn over and over. If you have devour up you effectively can’t die and can focus on mechanics.
Devour on demand without void or the prismatic aspect and the cat gives weaken
Wish I could find anyone wanting to do a catalyst run!
Call is craftable?
Correct
why fight when one for each hand
I have been absolutely smothering my enemies in Threadlings with a demo/hatchling Call and Strand Warlock
It's funny that they're being compared when you can just have them both equipped at the same time lmao
It's so over for indebted kindness the moment the incandescent/ heal clip rocket side arm comes out.
I think voltshot might be better on this tbh. It feels too good
I want a special ammo bow with voltshot
I got the adept with archers tempo and voltshot, it's pretty wild.
2 shots would clear a room (not counting hobgoblins) in the first encounter challenge last week, which is pretty nuts for a primary bow on master
It's the Trinity Ghoul that Trinity Ghoul wishes it could be
How do you reckon a special ammo bow would work? Would it have some type of special ability or just slower firing?
I would literally love a slower firing higher dps of non denouement. Fuck power creep
Gimme a special ammo handcannon with voltshot. BIG IRON.
Salvations edge legendary bow has volt shot
I said this elsewhere the other day but incandescent / heal clip on primary ammo weapons is so busted, its the best of the elemental weapon combos in the game. It blows away the equivalent void / arc perk combos (destab / repulsor and eddy current / voltshot). Slice / hatchling isnt bad but its nothing special either. And i know the new sidearm is special ammo but their ammo economy is so good you can essentially run it like a primary.
Heal clip in particular is imo the single strongest legendary weapon perk in the game. The buff from cure x1 to cure x2 last season cemented that.
Eh, its popularity over IK will have more to do with how imbalanced the synergy between incandescent and solar subclasses is. Incandescent is a better perk at synergizing with solar subclass verbiage, but voltshot is a better standalone perk. The ability to kill 1 trash mob, place jolt on an elite, and then continue to kill all trash that surrounds that elite, stun overloads, etc, is significantly superior to what incandescent does out of the box.
Also, voltshots worse subclass synergies have more to do with arc subclasses being way more reigned in than solar subclasses tyan it has to do with the perk. It still produces a decent amount of ionic traces and then there's the blinding fragment that turns it into a blinding GL as well.
no, no lead from gold will be nowhere near as good in double special loadouts where rocket sidearms shine
I have a feeling you aren’t using these things with incandescent. Like the call doesn’t exclusively take Hatchling because it already has good AoE.
Indebted has more utility, The Call is better for Prismatic specifically.
Can I ask how? Not a dig I just don’t know why the call over IK would matter for prism besides filling dark bar.
That's the reason
Ok but indebted can fill light bar so that's a moot point
Lots of the high damage abilities are light. It seems that dark usually lags behind;
You've got me there.
It’s easier to charge light than dark in most the good builds (like concentration spam or liars handshake)
Plus, stuff like Strategist on The Call let's you spam more hellion turrets with Phoenix dive on Prismatic. Stonks.
The strategery doesn't stop with Warlocks! It's also more Titan thruster juice to launch Exodus Rockets that buff your rocket sidearm which is refueling everything again!
You're such a gamer. You're so right!
It’s a craftable Rocket Sidearm with actual damage perks like Vorpal l, and utility perks like Strategist plus Slice for DR if you need it. It’s a really good general use tool.
Think you just answered your own question there dude
The ammo economy plus filling the darkness bar. Other options like the new launcher run out fast
Better than
thank you
they're in different slots, so they have a different purpose
indebted kindness is probably better because voltshot, yeah, but they're both fantastic
If i could get one to drop with voltshot i'd possibly agree....
In theory maybe, but my shitty rolls of Indebted Kindness sure as hell aren't better than a crafted Call.
You can use both at the same time realistically so I mean
I often do, just an incredible utility combo
I have a lead from gold/vorpal call and my IK has volt/impulse which I farmed for the reload speed. But now I want lead from gold/ volt and no luck farming It so far :(
Lead from gold/voltshot feels incredible. I have that roll, but I’m looking for one with flared mag lol
to me, its all about what primary or special (if i have lfg on the sidearm) that i can pair with it. indebted kindness can be put with things like khvostov, deliverance, and outbreak while the call can be paired with sunshot, le monarque, forbearance, and anything else like that. I like the call more in this manner because i prefer my energy weapons to have more build synergy, with the call i can use the healing auto or graviton lance, while with indebted kindness all ive really paired with it is is khvostov.
I.kindness- good for general crowd killing
The call- better for focused damage on meaty adds
There's nothing to fight over? Indebted has always been better, but it's a dungeon drop. Which means owning the dungoen key, running the dungeon, and also getting lucky enough to get a good roll, or in my case, a roll at all. The call can be crafted within 24 hours of buying tfs.
so facts… I only have 1 indebted kindness in my whole vault. i also have buried bloodline🫠 makes no sense how i’ve gotten buried bloodline before even getting more than 1 indebted kindness drop
Hey if you don’t like that RNG I’ll gladly take the bloodline off your hands 😂
My first ever run I got an indebted kindness with voltshot it has scarcely left my energy slot since. I think I used all my luck because my pinnacle engrams refuse to drop higher than 1995 for any armor slot.
The call is arguably better because you can obtain extraordinarily easily, you can craft whatever suits you.
The call benefits prismatic builds better because it fills the darkness bar, which is where most people fall short.
The call can also be used well with strand builds, as it generates tangles easily.
IK is a good gun but it’s short falls this season is accessibility, and not being as useful with builds this season. It’s not season of plunder, arc is not as useful for the time being.
Call is better because I can run it with an energy weapon
Don't care. I like them both, not gonna use them at the same time, so what's the point?
Who cares
Indebted can't get enhanced perks tho, rip
Can you still get indebted kindness? If so where?
Warlords ruin dungeon
They aren’t even in the same slot and with the ammo economy they can be ran together
Doesn't need to be better, you can run both lol
Can’t go anywhere in pve nowadays without either. I’m glad they both exist
Edit: typo
Counterpoint: Use both.
Different slots, different uses.
Like if you wanna use the exotic Khvostov or something in first slot, boom, indebted.
Grav Lance, Sunshot, Trinity? The Call.
That said, I don't have acess to indebted. I only know it's a second slot.
Okay but I have The Call and don't have Indebted Kindness, so take THAT!
(I want one real bad so I can run it in tandem with Khvostov. Getting sick of my other special weapons lmao)
I think someone is salty they're not a special snowflake anymore and everyone has a rocket sidearm that can be crafted and is unbelievably good at add control with the right perks.
Maybe. But i don't need to run a dungeon for the call XD
There will never be a better sidearm than indebted bc Voltshot is the best PvE perk for add clear
Yeah okay, I get it now. Thanks for this. Fuck you, but I love you.
Aw love you too <3
it's just about synergy, if you're running arc, hell yeah it is, if you need a dope kinetic slot for any other build to dish out insane damage, the Call is the play. There's a solid place for both tbh
both equally as good. One lets me use outbreak, the other allows me to use gravatron...
just use both
problem solved
The call lets me use Graviton Lance, so I have to put it above. BUT Indebted Kindness lets me use my Khovostov, so it’s kinda tied
The call is better because at least I can get it to drop 🤷♂️
Different slots different uses
Not at all. One is craftable. The other barely drops.
The Call is better imo because I don't have Warlords Ruin
Indebted Kindness has more damage on impact and voltshot is better than hatchling so you aren’t wrong and this is not a hot take.
Buying dungeon keys is cringe so nah
I don't disagree but call has better synergry with my build. Arc warlock is fucking garbage.
i gotta disagree buddy. i love my arc warlock build
100%
The Call is easier to get
To me, elemental primaries >>>>>, therefore call better, also I haven't used indebted kindness because I haven't gotten a good one, but I wouldn't use it much anyway because elemental primaries >>>>
In isolation I agree (1v1)….but having a special ammo weapon in the kinetic slot frees up better options to use as an energy primary weapon. When throwing on indebted our other options aren’t the best…not terrible but you end up going with double special a lot of the times
Indebted Kindness is better but it takes the energy slot. For those who like elemental exotics in that slot, people will like the Call more for its solid but tame perk set.
But I can't run Indebted with Graviton Lance or Sunshot. I would also argue Call is better this season specifically with the artifact mods that makes tangles into mini nukes.
For a second I thought this was talking about tropes. Like the hero is called to action by owing someone rather than just wanting to is better
Probably but I just prefer using The Call
I like The Call better because I can run it with Still Hunt
IK got voltshot which is very good at add clear.
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 ”Always has been”
You wrote „then“. You lose.
you speak the truth
IK is as clear bc volt shot and call is for powerful enemy bc all the damage perks. You can use both at the same time just for fun too
Why fight the truth
I've been trying to get a beacon rounds/voltshot roll for ages now. I have 172 runs of this fucking dungeon and still...... nothing. I hate this game sometimes.....like.....alot
I like the call because it slots into my primary slot, and I’m always looking for primary spot secondaries that I like. Until recently I only had one that I liked consistently and it was the fusion from last season, other than that it was hard to find one I liked that was also good
For sure. Different slots though, so it doesn't really matter
Voltshot is unparalleled
A dungeon weapons is better than location weapon? Your insight is astounding OP
Different.
Indebted Kindness has Deconstruct + Lead from Gold, meaning you can use it for a LONG time. Problem is you take up the energy slot so no Still Hunt.
The Call has OFA + Lead from Gold, so your shots to more damage per shot and can still be used for a good amount of time. Problem is you cannot progress both light and dark transcendence.
I've killed the first boss over 60 times looking for one with Voltshot and still dont have one. Meanwhile, I have a godroll crafted Call. I think I know which one I prefer.
The Call is my favorite because I have it.
The call with one for all >>>>>> indeded kindness with voltshot
Is anyone saying The Call is better? The main reason The Call is used way more often is because is about as good as Indebted Kindness and is WAY easier to obtain.
Not to mention we'll get another craftable rocket sidearm which can roll heal clip, so some people will have less reasons to stick with the indebted kindness if they prefer to use a rocket sidearm weapon on energy slots.
It has voltshot. Enough said
The call being in the kinetic slot is what makes it better IMO. Even though indebted kindness probably does a better job, it fills a slot that's too valuable
idk they the complement lerfect i always have one equiped and an exotic in the other non power slot
I prefer neither tbh
I prefer Indebted so I can run my LT/OFA Blast Furnace in kinetic slot as well.
I’ll use indebted kindness then the call after 🙂↔️
Ok I'll fight you, 2024 and you kids don't understand the difference between then and than.
As a Nighthawk hunter, I needn't say which I prefer.
Why not play both?
I don’t know having buried bloodline and a void heavy with the call, special finisher, expandin no abyss, on my hazardous provision titan seems pretty awesome , plus devour really fills out the prismatic titan kit. It patches a lot of holes.
I think it's probably better if u have voltshot (I don't), but it's not comparable to me because they're in diff slots, so I use whichever one I'm not running an exotic in
If I'm on the sweaty wishender build, the call is going away, but if I'm on sunshot shits n giggles, it's back
Just use both with LeadFromGold ?
For me, Indebted Kindness is clearly the literal best legendary weapon in the game. But The Call is popular at least in part because it’s also extremely good, while being significantly more accessible because it’s craftable and super easy to earn. You don’t even need to do a quest to start getting it like most of the other Pale Heart weapons.
They both are great!
Indebted kindness has voltshot letting me kill groups with every shot spread out or grouped call does not yes you can craft it but if your sitting around relying on just crafted and craft able guns I don't think your in the right game
And? I'm so done with running WR and never getting the roll i want. So. I'm gonna use the one that I can MAKE have the roll i want. Fk Indebted Kindess and fk WR. Tired of runnin it for nothing in return.
The call is much easier to obtain and I don’t have to take off No Hesitation to use it
It really is. Rocket sidearms do enough damage that they really don’t need the help from damage perks to be effective trash mob killers, even at GM level. Then indebted gets voltshot, arguably the best aoe ad clear perk in the game plus deeper ammo reserves and still getting lead from gold.
It just depends. Indebted kindness gets volt shot which is goated.
But the call, especially with prismatic, can be buffed with unraveling rounds, which can make it just about as good as IK with volt shot.
Breachlight is better than Call and Indebted Kindness./change my mind
One for All The Call + Red Death + 21% Delirium
I feelvit depends on the build you're going for.
I mean yeah it is but you can run both at the same time too when indebted kindness runs out of ammo you can use the call. Also the call is craftable so when you run out of patience trying to get the God roll for indebted kindness you can just use the call instead to similar effectiveness.
I like both, but as a gold gun prismatic hunter, the call works much better for me
*than
Both are good, but I agree that Indebted Kindness is better. The main advantages of The Call are that it's in a different slot and that it can be crafted. But if you can get a good voltshot roll on Indebted Kindness, then that's better than anything you can get on The Call imo.
The call is craftable. Nuff said.
I mean it straight up is, voltshot is really good. If Indebted was enhancabIe don’t think it would even be a question.
I'll use both at the same time. We are not the same.
Just depends on the slot you need a secondary in really. I’ve found indebted does better straight damage but the call has more synergy.
Well yes your correct, however its in the kinetic slot soooo
A shit roll on the call is better the buried bloodline
If I could get even a single half decent Indebted then perhaps I'd agree, but the thing that really puts The Call ahead of Indebted is that Call is craftable and I don't need to farm the shit out of a dungeon that refuses to give me anything I actually want (including the exotic). Yes I'm salty.
If you get the right roll. I didn't have to really grind to get my crafted Call.
It can't be "better" because they're not competing for the same slot.
Run both simultaneously, duh
Idk maybe because I have a bad kindness roll and a crafted call that I like call better
i have no perks worth mentioning on either, so their just rocket sidearms in different slots for me
yeah
i agree
i just dont have indebted cuz i cba to learn warlords ruin to grind and just want something i can craft and then have my fun with
I just use both at the same time
Why? They're in different slots. They don't even need to compete against each other.
Indebted Kindness with Spark of Beacons is so good (Arc Special or Power Weapon Kills while Amplified create an explosion, Blinding enemies)
its better but harder to get so yea most people are gonna just use a god roll the call instead of farming for a perfect indebted kindness.
I think voltshot makes inept kindness a better gun, but only if you do not require the energy slot for something else.
Perhaps, but it's easier for the average person to craft The Call than to hope for a god roll drop of Indebted Kindness.
I can't use sunshot with indebted kindness so you're wrong
The Call leaves my energy slot free. That's the only real reason I use it.
Then the call what? What did the call do next?
Both have their uses especially because they both have an element. I personally prefer using the indebted kindness because I’m usually running something like outbreak in the primary slot. If I’m doing a raid, especially these days, I’d be using the still hunt so the call would be needed if I want to use that weapon type and rock double special.
I can use it with Khvostov. That settles it.
Volt shot is just way too good on it
Both are good, The Call has a decent perk pool and is craftable, but i prefer the perk pool for IK tho. I'm really looking forward to that new Solar special sidearm that's supposed to come out later this episode
I'll take The Call over it any day of the week simply because I prefer using a primary in the energy/second slot.
Run both with Hazardous Propulsion and just have fun.
Can you enhance indebted kindness now i never even checked
I don't have a good Indebted Kindness. I DID craft The Call though.
i use them together ♥️♥️ but agree
Craftable beats all
Only right answer (I don’t have the DLC yet so I haven’t even tried the call yet)
You can use both at the same....I'm pretty sure (don't actually have the old one)
I love when the vanilla kid has the most bland take imaginable and thinks they’re being unique
Even if it is I'm still not paying $20 for a fucking dungeon key
The call is craftable, so im not at the mercy of RNG for any roll you want.
It is, no fight about it. But the Call is more versatile with its perk selection, by far. Using both a ton tho, nothing on the Call is beating beacon/voltshot for me
*than
The call is better for weapons like graviton lance because of prismatic fragment that gives volatile rounds for grenade kills and unravel rounds for melee kills, and this pairs with desperate measures perfectly
For some reason I thought we were talking story tropes, and I was wondering what indebted kindness looked like as a plot line.
I agree but the one caveat, ecotic energy weapons are better than ecotic primaries in my opinion.
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Voltshot
Use both with dragons breath for maximum profit 😎
Both good.