CMV: young men are raised by rage bait

Somehow a lot of people start to worry about men radicalizing, specifically because radicalized men pose danger to other people. Men can directly harm women or vote in populists. There are calls to actively silence the alt-rights and toxic manosphere, e.g. https://www.salon.com/2023/12/30/the-worst-right-wing-influencers-of-2023/ and there are reasons to believe these guys are banned, shadowbanned, demonetized. This won't help. They are not a root-cause. Men who already hate come the dark corners of manosphere or neo-nazi to listen. People don't start their slide there. And when they are fully shaped complete zealots they don't really need particular populist to radicalize, as they are already done.

Ironically slide to extreme misogyny starts with casual internet misandry. I saw a lot of men who make outlandish statements about women. I asked them how did they come to such conclusions and what are their sources ... and it is almost always tiktok. Not some MRA influencers, but women. Women who produce rage-bait content simultaneously boasting luxury life-style and making fun of men, denigrating men, promoting ridiculous double standards. This is not balanced by examples of real-life offline women, because they don't have female friends. The source of their knowledge about women is internet women.

Rage bait is a social media strategy to make some content gain clicks, reactions, reposts - instead of pleasing the audience, infuriate them! They come to comment sections to express their disgust and share the link to make all their friends know what a horrible person you are. And it works. Hate sells even better than sex.

An interesting article about rage-bait:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/what-is-rage-bait-influencers-making-people-angry-1234976621/

The trick with infuriating the audience is to never insult protected groups (women, PoC, LGBT). If you make these people hate you - you'll get banned. But men are different - their hate is lucrative and safe. When they are infuriated, it is because they have fragile male egos, they are afraid of losing privilege and please bring in more male tears!

It was told so many times that misogyny kills while misandry merely hurts feelings. I don't want to dispute this claim. Just misandry IS the great supplier of misogyny.

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keklwords

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Nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Domestic violence is nearly always committed by men on women. Rape is nearly always commited by men on women.

Setting aside physical/sexual violence, nearly all positions of power and authority around the world are held by men. Still, to this day.

These are facts. They all stem from the average male mentality and view of women.

Does the average man participate in these forms of violence? Not in America, based on what I’ve seen. Around the world? Maybe. I don’t know. But it’s not a pretty picture.

Does the average man view women as less than men? Yes, based on what I’ve seen. And therefore participates in and supports the discrimination. And I don’t understand how these problems could still exist in society today, to the extent they do, if this wasn’t the case. Maybe you can enlighten me?

OppositeBeautiful601

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Nearly all violent crimes are committed by men.

Yet violent crime is committed by a very small fraction of the male population. Blaming all men for the actions of a few is misandrist.

Reference:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-39

Domestic violence is nearly always committed by men on women.

Of domestic abuse crimes recorded by the police, 25% were committed against men (ManKind Initiative). Most men that experience domestic abuse don't report it. There is little societal support for male victims of domestic abuse, and biases like yours aren't helpful at all.

Reference:

https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/#:\~:text=(ONS%202022%2F23).,ONS%20figures%202022%2F23).

Setting aside physical/sexual violence, nearly all positions of power and authority around the world are held by men. Still, to this day.

This is a problematic statement to say the least. 25 out of 100 U.S. Senators are women. 126 out of 535 representatives in the U.S. House of Representatives are women. While I can agree that women are under represented in our government, to say nearly all positions of power and authority around the world are held by men is hyperbole. Women vote more often then men, so it is women that put them in power.

Your personal experience, while important to you personally, is not viable, statistically speaking, to make a generalization that all men are awful.

keklwords

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I’d recommend you look through some of my other responses about why this specific overgeneralization is useful, if you’re interested. I can’t bring myself to write it again.

I understand your points, and you may still disagree with mine. The only other thing I can say is that I’m not really blaming all men. The generalization is useful as a starting point as well. I’m saying that in this conversation about the relationships and dynamics between men and women, men are the problem. Both historically and currently. Not all men, but enough that it’s a problem that has existed for our entire history and will continue to exist until we take deliberate action to fix it. And I’m not seeing that action yet. Not in the ways or to the extent that it’s actually needed.

Am I impatient and judgmental? Absolutely. Am I making my points in the best possible way? Certainly not. Does the idea that men are the problem need to be more widely circulated and accepted before we’ll see any real progress? I obviously think so.

OppositeBeautiful601

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I read them. I think you're wrong and I've been pretty plain about why. Overgeneralization is bad and there's really no reasonable justification for it.