I was shocked to learn Ari wore actual mother of pearl to the MET since she has always been concerned by the animal cause… What do you guys think?
DiscussionI don't think she's even vegan when it comes to food. I suspect that was a phase. She eats far too much Italian/Asian food to not eat eggs.
I don't think she is vegan anymore, food wise. I think she said in the past she had to stop because it was harming her health.
I know quite a few vegans who had to stop eating vegan diets because it was harming their health, so this is a strong possibility.
when did she state this? ive never seen her open up publicly about it
Ariana hasn’t been vegan for many years, since around or shortly after the DW tour. It was never publicly stated, but Liz Gillies did an interview with Zach Sang where she said that Ariana ordered a grilled chicken salad circa 2017 and also around the same time, her friends would comment on her Instagram posts like “skin glowing!!! Salmon diet workingggg” etc.
no way!!! did not know this wow. i always wondered where people got the info from that she stopped.
i became vegan because of her actually 🥹
Aww, I also went vegan because of her!! It seems likely she still eats a highly plant based diet based on her trainer (Harley Pasternak’s) comments over the years, but yeah according to the offhanded comments from her friends it seems she is not vegan.
My dad has been touting a mostly plant-based diet my whole life. If I listened to him I’d be in shape like Ari.
i think she was also pescatarian for awhile too
She posted a vegan post two years ago on thanksgiving.
I went back and checked her feed and don’t see any vegan posts from 2021 or 2022 (or any thanksgiving posts at all) aside from calling REM beauty vegan in one late November post (which it is). I realize she could have posted something and deleted it or perhaps it was a story, but I couldn’t find it
Like I said, I do think she eats mainly plant based. I just don’t think she’s a full vegan based on what I’ve observed over the years from people directly around her all the time.
I found a tumblr post with more receipts even aside from the ones I mentioned here: https://arianagrandre.tumblr.com/post/173348593475/do-you-know-why-ariana-is-no-longer-vegan/amp
It was an insta story where she posted a pro vegan meme. It was mocking people who claim that vegan food is disgusting but are willing to eat a dead animal.
oh fr
I think she has avoided talking about food since the doughnuts incident (not vegan). A while later she was the face of a couple of Starbucks drinks that contained egg and dairy if I'm not mistaken. She was seen drinking them, people asked about her diet but she never commented on the issue... I just assumed she was flexitarian.
How is being vegan bad for your health?
every diet will affect bodies differently. protein balance can be hard for “regular” vegans, vitamin absorption etc. she has every nutritionist and chef at her disposal though. maybe they determined she needed animals products? i developed weird insensitivities later in life :(
Ooh ok, thanks for explaining!
For me I wasn’t getting enough cholesterol and I was fainting a lot from low blood pressure. I already have low blood pressure when I eat meat so after a few years of a vegan diet I couldn’t sustain it anymore. Which sucks because I loved being vegan and definitely wasn’t trying to stop.
Ahh ok, thank you for your kind explanation!
Thank you for being kind too! 🥰
for the record, i would trust your doctor over the random dietician trying to claim low cholesterol isnt a thing
I lasted only about a month or two as it started to impact my physical health. I think for some people, a vegan diet is not obtainable.
omg??? after only two months… i didn’t know diet changes could affect you that fast over time. that’s kinda scary
Im a dietitian and there is no such thing as cholesterol deficiency. Perhaps you were misinformed and it was something else.
Idk it’s just what my doctor said after running a variety of tests. It surely could’ve been something else but I obviously I trusted what they said over my own knowledge lmao
Totally understand you. just so you know most medical doctors get almost zero nutrition training so they are often misinformed as well.
a google search alone shows that there is such thing as cholesterol deficiency, and it carries severe health risks. it’s the same way there’s salt deficiencies and sugar deficiencies: you absolutely can go too low in the human body.
Veganism can also be a slippery slope for those with eating disorders.
It’s not. Watch “cowspiracy” documentary. For every day you eat plant-based, it’s far healthier than other days.
You’re getting downvoted cuz people hate vegans. I’ve been vegan over ten years and have always been healthier than when I ate meat. There are ways to be healthy and unhealthy on any diet; but swapping animal products for plant foods tends to be the more healthy choice.
The crazy thing is, I’m not even vegan. Even I know that eating plant based or vegan is the healthiest diet.
Before I ever went vegan for ethics, I cut out meat for health reasons. Seemed clear to me the risk of cardiovascular disease (leading cause of death in the U.S.) would be reduced by not eating saturated animal fats and cholesterol. Good on you for being open-minded and not feeling defensive like so many others can be.
Every person’s body works differently. Some people thrive as vegans, some people need meat and other animals products. People have different levels of enzymes that process different sources of nutrients. So some people are naturally more efficient at processing plant based sources of vitamins and minerals and do better on those diets, and vice versa.
This is misleading. There are ways to be healthy and unhealthy on any diet; but swapping animal products for plant foods tends to be the more healthy choice. Vegans have lower rates of all-cause mortality. Cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes are all at a lower risk for vegans. Even if you know “vegans” who went back to eating meat, I also know many vegans who have remained vegan for years and never plan to eat meat again.
Cool. I also know a ton of vegans who have been for years and won’t be changing any time soon. Doesn’t change the fact that there are still people who have had to stop being vegan for personal health reason or another. Every body is different and no one lifestyle is a catch all.
I was simply sharing that it’s not unheard of for people to stop being vegan for health reasons (that’s the most common reason I’ve seen people stop being vegan personally).
Wasn't there also backlash when she teamed up with Starbucks because the drink she was promoting wasn't vegan?
I remember people being like "Why is she promoting a coffee she can't even drink?"
The cloud one had egg whites I remember haha
That’s not true at all. I’m vegetarian currently but I’ve been vegan before while living in a different area, and there was plenty of Italian and Asian vegan food. In fact, it’s my favorite. With Ariana living in more populous places like California, there’s a wide variety of nutritious vegan food
Yeah I don’t understand the egg comment.
Asian food is also so vague- are we talking island food? Chinese? HK? Japanese? Viet? Indian? Like, we’re making an assumption over a whole continent here.
If we’re playing East Asian: - Pickled/fermented foods - Soy based, tofu, miso, etc - Sesame - Rice based, including rice flour and rice noodles
I think south Asian is even more versatile with vegan food- and personally, their vegan food taste the best.
Edit: am East Asian mixed with Pacific Islander so when people say “Asian” I’m like, ok… but we all use different cooking bases so… which one of us?
east and south asian food contains a lot of egg and bone broth
Thanks for letting me know I had no clue she wasn’t vegan anymore. I know she stopped around Sweetener/TUN era but thought she went back to vegan.
her starbucks drink a few years ago even had egg whites in the foam but was dairy free 🤷♀️
i’m pretty sure she full on stopped being vegan ages ago tho
Ari has always worn leather and fur. As for her diet, I don’t even think shes vegetarian. I remember reading an article where her personal trainer was interviewed and he said that she actually eats sushi. She was probably vegan up until the dangerous woman era.
Yeah that’s true she had a huge Chanel phase back in her Tumblr days. I know I probably shouldn’t ask or talk about this but I do wonder how she lost so much weight then. I always thought she lost it through a plant based diet.
Call me dumb, but what does mother of pearl mean?
It’s basically the inner shell of some mollusks and is what pearls are made of. As per PETA oysters, abalone or other mollusks must be killed in order to produce mother of pearl. I’m aware that it’s the designer’s choice but I’m a bit surprised Ari would act so proud while showcasing a material that is essentially not vegan, nor sustainable and harms ecosystems (considering that this is something she’s been concerned with for ages)… In my personal opinion it would be the same as her wearing leather or snakeskin and saying that it is authentic leather/snakeskin…
I‘m aware that it‘s the designer‘s choice
Billie Eilish wore Oscar De La Renta in 2021 under the condition that they ditch all fur sales. Just saying
edit: saw the other comment mentioning this right after I posted lol sorry. I‘ll still keep it up because I think it‘s important.
No way, I never knew that. The more I learn about Billie the more I like her
I'm not sure why people are surprised she lies tbh, there's a Monaco fox fur jacket she wore more than once.
EDIT: Also, the wife's post on Jun 1 2023, while Ari's team said he was separated for months. Ethan and Ari got photographed arms around in June 27 too.
I’m sorry no hate to vegans— I will never understand someone who strictly follows a plant based diet but then turns around and wears fur/leather, buys leather furniture, ect. It makes no sense. Most vegans I know wouldn’t do this, so it’s super weird that Ari would being how outspoken she is about animal rights
You're right it doesn't make sense. And people misuse the term 'vegan' all the time. A vegan is someone who doesn't use or consume animal products, it IS a lifestyle.
Eating plant based is diet only, which doesn't make anyone vegan.
it’s messed up I’m vegetarian and I also actively search for faux leather or fur I don’t buy it if it’s real fur or leather
disgusting honestly
stop pretending you wouldn’t wear if it was a gift or if you were super rich. lol
How do you know if it’s a real fur jacket
The brand is right there, and they use real fox fur. She’s worn tons of other brands that are real fur and leather too.
Yeah..... you can be into vegan food and not be living a vegan life. I very much appreciate Ariana, but we do know she has struggled with healthy eating and food disorder tendencies..... sometimes people use trendy diets to heavily restrict their food intake while still being socially acceptable. I can see her doing that.
I was just gonna say that I think being vegan is not a lifestyle for her even though she does love animals. I think it’s more of a diet for her.
Not a bad price, I might buy it if it comes in white or black
plus Loewe, who designed the mother of pearl dress, is well known for specializing in leather products. not only did she wear mother of pearl—she attended the party with a ticket paid for in leathers, calfskins, and lambskin.
Yep.
Billie Eillish agreed to wear Oscar De La Renta if the brand stopped using animal byproducts in their products. So Ariana wearing Loewe and a mother of pearl corset while cleaming she's worried about animal welfare is certainly... A thing.
I wouldn't mind if she did and didn't sell herself as an animal rights defensor but... Idk.
Yep and the inside of the pearl bodice was leather.
I’m pretty sure she hasn’t been vegan anymore for quite a while.
yeah, a lot of people seem to not know the practices around oysters and mollusks. the comparison to leather or snakeskin is not accurate at all.
I'm vegan and I am aware of how problematic PETA is. However I have never heard of many vegan people still eating mussels.
Not everyone who has a vegan diet sees it as a lifestyle and moral code. Sometimes its just about your eating habits and health.
Woah. That is very surprising. Isn't she vegan? I heard numerous times that she is vegan. Tbh you can go from meat eater to vegan and from vegan to meat eater. Maybe her values have changed? Or maybe there is another way of acquiring Mother Pearl? When I saw that, I assumed it was kinda like marmer stone where it's a stone type that has been heated up, compressed; essentially transformed. Very surprised to hear this.
Ariana was never vegan despite saying she was. She always wore leather and fur
I remember that leather outfit from 2014 VMA's I think it was. I always assumed it was synthetic leather. You're saying that was real leather?
It could be synthetic. But she always had leather bags, Jennette McCurdy even did a skit taking the piss out of it. I gave her the benefit of the doubt that they’re all secondhand, but then I found out she also did a collab with the makeup brand Mac which no vegan would endorse as they test on animals
Why are people downvoting this?
There are ethically sourced pearls though, Peta just takes a hardline with their view on it.
There are safe ways to extract pearls that won't harm the animals from what I know. Though ofc, that would depend on who supplied the pearls to the fashion brand.
I think she only restricts herself wrt diet
Absolutely this. As a former vegan I can tell you first hand that many people claim the title to make their ED easier to pursue in public.
I agree. Many people who claim they’re vegan actually use that as an excuse to mask their ED. I have many digestive disorders with pancreatitis and gastropareais among other things. I’ve become very malnourished due to my chronic illnesses that I’ve developed since a few years ago. Eating normal amounts but am 150cm and 35kg (33.8 was my lowest at some point). I am very restricted wrt my diet but meat is not one of the things I restrict, unless it’s absolutely very fatty which my body will reject. There was a recent Netflix documentary about the gut, the pastry chef on there who has an ED is totally using veganism as an excuse, I’m very sensitive to such people I can tell. Because I restrict my diet due to physical pain I can tell when someone restricts their diet not because of physical pain but psychological
Just a reminder that most celebrities don’t actually care about their own causes when it comes down to it
this should be the top comment, 99% of high profile, a-list celebrities are self-serving. its totally valid if people are disappointed but i think we’d all be better off not expecting our favs to be vain. we dont know them enough to do mental gymnastics and defend their actions on their behalf. so when it comes to fashion, to me its clear she doesnt care about its source, im sure she cares about the cause in different ways but theyre always going to have contradicting actions cause of the nature of their job.
doesn’t mean theyre all morally corrupt across the board (people arent black and white), but im not going to look up to ariana or any other celeb, we live very different lives and have very different circumstances, priorities. also to anyone saying she didn’t know, im sorry be so fr rn. shes not a lost child.
I’m not so sure she’s vegan anymore, vegetarian maybe but she has ALWAYS worn animal furs
I always thought they were fakes :( How naive of me...
Can’t really blame yourself, because she was once vegan.
She used to follow a plant-based diet but was never actually vegan. She’s always worn fur and leather.
why did my dumb ass think mother of pearl was like... the actual dead mother of pearl from spongebob 😭😭
Lmao but that’d be kinda perfect…
remember when her starbucks cloud drink wasn’t vegan? it had egg whites or something
either way who cares unless she made others feel bad for it
That was TOO funny
That was funny because she said “try the soy version” as if that was vegan
Ariana is definitely not vegan anymore. She’s worn leather, real fur (UGG), sheepskin, etc. all in the last few years.
There is a possibility the MOP corset was made a long time ago and Ari was chosen to wear it…but I don’t think celebs care at all about the environment or animal rights really. I think most of it is a momentary emotion for them that is fleeting. It’s like a fad to be an animal rights activist, or to eat vegan.
There’s videos of it being made, it’s definitely custom made for her measurements. The tailoring would be next to impossible if it was made a long time ago because of the way it’s shaped
Can I just say that any little thing that you can do, is good. You don’t have to be vegan in every sense of your life to be a “good” vegan. If you want to stop wearing fur and leather, but still eat chicken, that’s better than nothing. If you want to go to a completely vegan diet, but wear makeup that use animal products, that’s better than nothing. Ariana also hasn’t said anything regarding veganism in years, so idk why people hold her to this standard, especially considering most of the people mad about it aren’t even vegan themselves
Yes it’s all about reducing your overall footprint! And we don’t even know how the mother of pearl was harvested. It could be as simple as they were harvested for meat/pearls and the shells were going to be trashed!
It's not just Ariana. People come at all types of celebrities for wearing real animal skin/fur/etc. There's no need for it in this day and age. Animals may not talk, but they certainly do feel pain
I totally agree with this logic. However, diet affects your health so it’s not really something everyone can contribute to the animal cause with.
Not wearing animal products on the other hand is someone EVERYONE can do.
It’s not crazy to find an animal lover who isn’t pressed about mollusks
lol so an animal lover just decides which creatures to care about and which ones can be killed? that seems a little fucked to me lol
I’m not interested in getting into some moral argument I’m simply pointing out caring about animals but not fish and the like is a very common thing
Mollusks are animals though lol….and veganism directly related to the practice of avoiding both eating animals and using animal products. i’m not trying to argue morals either. i eat meat. i am making sure we are using definitions correctly though when we debate someone.
Fish is an animal lmao
So are people but you know I don’t mean those when I talk about animals. People colloquially use the term animals to refer to land animals/mammals etc more often than not and you know this. this is why it’s not worth engaging in these threads. nothing but preaching and pedantry.
I draw the line at no brains
i hear you. that’s a very common line and i don’t totally disagree with you.
mollusks and oysters aren’t sentient.
they’re still living creatures in my eyes….but i hear you. just super biased about marine life, our oceans need some love badly.
mollusk farming for pearl and mother of pearl is actually super good for the oceans and marine life :) it’s super green
so are plants. alive but not sentient. so do you not eat vegetables since they’re “living creatures?”
and btw mollusks are still considered animals so like i still stand by what i said lol.
I just wanna say, being vegan over the course of many years is a choice every single day. She doesn’t have to be 100% perfect at it for it to be her goal or how she wants to see herself. I was vegan for 7 years, stopped for the last 3, and am doing it again. I don’t wanna get into why I had to stop lol, but I just wanna say in the 7 years I was vegan, I of course did things sometimes that weren’t 100% vegan. Any vegan of many years who tells you they’ve always been 100% unwaveringly perfect is a liar. I’m not saying she isn’t hypocritical for wearing leather while claiming to be vegan, I’m just saying, she may be trying to have veganism as a goal, or is at least doing what she can, when she can, and that helps. Every little bit helps.
I wish more vegans had this perspective!! There is so much vegan perfectionism and tbh, some people do what they can and that’s totally enough. I find that the attitude of tearing other people down for not being a perfect vegan does so much more harm than good.
I assume those people are either baby vegans (3 years or less), or just militant assholes and pay them no mind. Life is long if you’re lucky and things get complex; it’s okay to do what you can, when you can. I think most long-term vegans get here eventually, it can be hard at first when you feel like you’re in a horror movie witnessing the torturing of animals and no one cares, but you mellow out over time. You have to. And if you don’t, like I said, you’re probably just an asshole anyway 🤣💜💙
Oh no the….. clams?
She also wore a feather boa in the 'boyfriend' music video.
You can't be serious
Took me far too long to scroll to find this comment
Mother of pearl can also be manufactured (think cultured pearls). Since this is designer, I doubt it, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
i’m a longtime vegan but i’ve grown exhausted with the misinformation and shaming around certain animal products. some reasons a vegan might eat oysters/wear pearls or mother of pearl:
oysters have no central nervous system - they have no brain, and are incapable of forming thoughts or feeling pain. they cannot feel the pearl growing, they cannot feel when it is extracted. They’re also mostly farmed, and sustainably so; no other animals get caught in nets, for example, and die in the process, as it is with other kinds of fish. The oysters filter the aquaculture they live in, which is great for the environment, so oyster farming can actually help the ocean heal and promote sea life. Oyster farming also has an incredibly low carbon footprint - all in all, one of the most environmentally friendly foods a person can eat. This is why so many environmentalist vegans actually try to support this industry monetarily. Even farming produce and grains involves the deaths of numerous rodents and insects.
i’ve spent time around oysters and other mollusks as they’re extremely plentiful where i live. pearl farms breed mollusks, produce pearls, and eventually kill the old oysters for food and mother of pearl. the shells are then used as compost, soil additive, or mulch. it’s a very complete process, again quite environmentally friendly, of which mother of pearl is usually a bi-product.
PETA is not a reliable source. Period. Their views on veganism prop a nebulous idea of “compassion” up as the gold standard, but they’re not environmentalists nor do they seem to care about human impact. They have a long history of racism and anti-indigeny. I supported them when I was a teenager, but ultimately I can’t anymore because they say shit like “sheep are killed to produce wool” which is also bullshit. They think it’s better to wear plastic “vegan leather” than real, bio-degradable leather, again, a bi-product.
literally!! thank you. shear your sheep and love them dearly!!
I agree with all of this except confused on the last part. Isn't leather from animals like a certain type of cow and they are raised specifically for their skin? They're not meant for food. So it isn't a byproduct right ? I say just wear no leather, vegan or not . It's unnecessary
Yall keep saying she’s vegan like no she’s not and hasn’t been for a long time.
Who gives a fuck 😭
I don't think anyone should care. You don't know her anyway. Might as well be commenting on a fictional character.
It’s not that deep imo…
This nickle and diming every little thing is getting so tired lol
I don’t care. She can wear whatever she wants to and she’ll look gorgeous.
WHO GIVES A FVCK🙄
people are dying
people can have concerns about more than one cause and if we'd like to discuss people dying let's discuss how she's be completely mute on that topic as a whole...
So are animals. They have lives worth living too you know. It's extremely arrogant to think that people are more important than other living beings. Just because they have nothing to do with you as a person? Very odd.
no they don’t because these are not sentient beings they quite literally don’t have quality of life lmao
That's not the point though is it? I just reacted to the statement 'people are dying'. So are animals...That's a fact. I don't know why it's so strange to care about animal suffering and animal cruelty. Very sad state of affairs that so many people only consider human suffering as bad.
yeah you’re slow asf
I genuinely wonder why caring about people as well as animals would make me slow? Wouldn't that make me empathetic? Btw I'm not referring to the pearls or whatever the dress was made of. Just living beings in general.
well the oysters are dying too :/// /s
Pearls.. i mean they’re from a mollusk that can’t feel pain and has no brain? Hardly a sentient being and not comparable to fur or leather
SpongeBob reference go figure
ariana has never cared about veganism when it comes to fashion. ever
I say let her wear what she wants. It’s her body her choice right.
Just an hypocrite rich celebrity...nothing new🤷 They're entertainers, don't expect morals or consciousness from them.
i don’t know if she’s made herself out to be for the animal causes, at least not recently. also idk i always wonder if she’s still vegan i mean she hasn’t said so in forever.
You're not wrong but... I had a vegan friend in college. And I remember asking her about her leather shoes, and she cheerfully told me "oh I got these before I was vegan." I just thought that was a really sensible way to think about it. No waste
yeah but this was 2014 so it’s not like she’s currently advocating for animals and going against it lol
I get that! I was more referring to the "at least not recently/she's not vegan anymore", cause you know.. she kinda never was if you wear leather/fur
😭this is wild
I got blocked by her on Instagram around 2014 because I called her out for wearing lambskin bags after she went vegan. Lol
She said in the past that she stopped being vegan, but I think she continue being vegetarian.
she’s fineeeee with animal cruelty for her own fashionable enjoyment it’s just she doesn’t want us peasant losers to be using real animal fur because well there won’t be any left for herself and other rich people. womp womp.
mollusks aren’t sentient, meaning that yes they’re technically alive but they aren’t able to “feel” anything
they’re still an animal though….veganism: “the practice of eating only food not derived from animals and avoiding the use of other animals products.”
i understand that. it’s not technically vegan but she has never followed veganism perfectly and this doesn’t hurt anyone so it’s not the same as like eating meat for instance
edit: also her starbucks drink she promoted and drank was literally made with egg whites, she is not 100% vegan
I don't blame her for not knowing that precisely, there's a lot of stuff that we use every day that has some kind of animal by product that we don't really think of or take notice. BUT her stylist especially or someone from her team could have raised a flag 🫠 like SOMEONE should have known 💀💀💀💀
Also apparently she has always worn real fur and real leather....yikes
Well 🥲
I don’t get how people haven’t seen that, she wore UGG on The Voice. If she ain’t vegan anymore, then that’s okay.
She’s always been a hypocrite why are we surprised that she doesn’t actually care about animals and preserving nature?
imagine getting shocked or mad about someone wearing mother of pearl or fur/feathers as if ariana is the one killing the animal
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Guys I was learn actual mother of the met since she had always concerned by the animal.
It’s not just mother of pearl, it also has leather and the skirt is silk
I always wondered if she went vegan for a while to support Liz after she discovered she had a lot of food allergies, and maybe now that Liz is used to the diet, Ari doesn't feel the need to follow ot as much.
What the hell is mother of pearl
Most celebs don’t practice what they preach tbh . I think she was only a vegan for health reasons
i mean she’s always worn pearls so this shouldn’t be a surprise. she has sometimes worn real leather over the years too so i don’t think she does call herself vegan anymore (i don’t remember her actually calling herself vegan since like 2015)
Didn’t she stop for health reasons?
Me too I don’t know what to think
Mmm I guess there had to be a downside for her MET Gala starring presence. I've been reading how Ariana Grande was the celebrity pulling the highest revenue at the carpet with $20.5M, almost double of 2nd place which was Kendall Jenner. A way to say it was worth it. So a little backlash/controversy had to be somewhere around.
The number of birds and bats killed by wind turbines (green energy!!!!) is horrifying.
Beasts get got even by the “virtuous” people.
Did all that just to look generic af
nothing about wearing a dress made of mother of pearl is generic… do you know what generic means? how many other girls do you see casually wearing mother of pearl?
EDIT: i guess they still can’t figure out what generic means.
I could give less fucks what material shes wearing, she could wear plutonium for all I care, but if it looks like a generic plain dress then it looks like a generic plain dress. People wearing regular fabric outshine her
generic where😂
Its a plain white dress
an entire bodice covered with mother of pearl is not plain, the skirt also had different colors to it representing wicked. get your eyes checked😂 shes on like every best dressed list
I checked the full gallery and saw like 200+ people dressed better
thats cool😂
I'm such a huge Ari fan (obviously because I'm here), but I lose a little less love for her every time I see her wear leather, or a product of another living being.
They only care about the cause when it benefits them. 🤷🏻♀️
She’s concerned by the animal cause? Since when? What makes you think she is?
Y'all are so mad when humans have been wearing animals from the start of time. Y'all need to chill.
I agree as much as I love Ari she is only a vegan when it comes to food. She wears fur, leather, mother of pearl. She should just call herself plant based rather than a full vegan.