Can somebody explain this. Also he was neo strafing constantly, but at least I assume that thing is possible
GameplayWhat the fuck did I just watch is absolutely right
Guys shooting like a fucking goalie about to throw the ball back into play
HAHAHA! Same glitch that Captain Po did this before - watch on his yt video N4IZLEVDNdw start at 6:06.
Looks like the melee bhop glitch. You do the melee animation as you bhop over and over.
Buddy does this with Caustics hammer and it's hilarious.
Send me a game clip of this because it sound fucking ridiculous
I've unfortunately never done or recorded it before. It's what the OP posted, just with causics hammer he's swinging down as he does it.
Well next time he does it just clip it and send it to me
Lmao me too
Looks ridiculous.
😂
I have no clue what I just watched
looks like a superglide followed by the melee bhop glitch
So if you melee at the start of your b-hop it does that. It’ll constantly spam the melee animation throughout your b-hop regardless if you have guns out or not. You can even shoot while doing it
Looks like the end of my night as I turn off my Xbox and cry into my pillow.
You're much smarter than me.
Me: "this game is so fucking bullshit what the fuck was that?! Why the fuck do I play this goddamned game?! God dammit, I can't believe this hacking fuck."
click requeue
These the people I see my first game on pubs
Looks like the exact same thing at 6:20 in this video https://youtu.be/N4IZLEVDNdw?si=CtPYaCOUEofMQ4Qt
yes this
That’s not a Neo strafe tho pretty sure that’s a yuki strafe
It’s a Neo strafe because he thought he was in the matrix being slow mo. Lol
Is this using macros. ?
Yeah, probably.
No, his movement was biased left, considering the input timing and order needs to be basically perfect, macros don’t allow players to bias their movement direction.
Plus, he hit the superglide, I would be extremely surprised if his guy wasn’t 100% legit.
Edit: The fact this had 20 downvotes within a hour is kind of astounding…
I am very familiar with the intricacies of lurching, and I am making a claim with confidence. I could go into detail as to why macros can’t bias to right/left direction and why configs (which are now hard limited to single commands) were the only practical way around this… but I know it wont matter.
This is being downvoted by individuals who have no knowledge of the subject, and have no care to learn. They just want to call people who spend the insane amounts of time to learn this “cheaters” and call it a day.
And to those saying “this isn’t possible without configs/macros”… https://youtu.be/JonGQ6F_p6E?si=o1hp3W7_VoDouC6E
main sub chuds will downvote anything, anyone better than them is cheating and anyone who even hits a superglide or a strafe that anybody can learn with a few hours practice is also cheating. everyone is cheating and the game is terrible
Only cheaters talk like this...
https://youtu.be/JonGQ6F_p6E?si=o1hp3W7_VoDouC6E
“I can’t accept that this game has been out for years and there is a sizable community of individuals who put a lot of time into mastering the movement part of a movement shooter because they both enjoy skill expression, and are looking to improve their gameplay in a game increasingly dominated by unobtainable accuracy standards not accessible to mnk players”.
I could give you 3 extremely active discord servers right now completely dedicated to lurch tech that would convince you that 90% of the movement players you see in this game are legit.
Ooh post invite links. I didn't know there were entire discords dedicated to exploiting lurch.
Really? 90% of player's you say...
Hey, maybe you're right. There are a lot of great players out there who worked hard at being the best in the game. I don't talk to them because they haven't got to prove themselves to anyone, and they themselves know that.
And then there are people who are apparently great and cry about people thinking other people are cheating. The psychology of that is a bit sus. Especially since the psychology of a cheater is desperation to try and look good amongst their peers
Brother… I do talk to them, and I can promise you that one of them, who I know personally, was very upset when he posted to this sub and was called a cheater en masse by people who don’t know any better. I’ve stood beside this person as they played, they are well regarded as one of the best movement players in the game, they do not cheat.
The psychology isn’t that hard to imagine: Someone works very hard to achieve something, and is in return called a cheater despite their crazy effort into becoming one of the best. Humans are social creatures, we want affirmation. If this weren’t the case you’d never see a single player post their clip on this sub.
The psychology I find more interesting here is why the automatic assumption is that this person is cheating, despite those claiming it clearly having no knowledge on the topic. If they did know, they wouldn’t be claiming a simple pito strafe is cheating.
Anyone better than you is a cheater. Haven't you figured that out? I just take that as motivation. Lolol
Oh for sure. The fact people think learning to time 4-8 inputs a second is “impossible without configs” is just funny to me.
Yes, and everyone worse than me is trash, that's how it works
It's not about knowledge of the topic. There's no knowledge to need or gain on this topic (what even is the topic?)
You just need to have played the game long enough to see the amount of cheaters are too high.
I never claimed the person in the video was cheating
Im just saying if someone says something looks sus, and then someone else chimes in with an aggressive-defensive stance with no relationahip to the OP. That's sus
Yeah this is a really silly framing imo.
If you are suspicious of anyone who tries to defend a topic they know about, you’ll probably go through life bot changing your mind a whole lot. Idk, maybe that’s something that sounds desirable to you.
There's a reason why pros dont just neo strafe all the time. 100% of the time its assisted with configs or macros.
No, it’s because it’s a dogshit strategy against people that can aim.
Stupid reason, one pro or even a cc player would have though of using neo strafe in a tourney once. But not a single one came out and tried it.
its clearly assisted with configs/macros when a CC player don't even dare to use it, cause they are afraid of getting banned of how detectable it is.
Bro look at lemonhead, xylas, gruic, treeree, and mokey, they are all legit it just takes time, if you wanted to that you could you just need practice. Look on r/apexrollouts if you wanna see some good movement.
Yes I know those guys and the subreddit, still pointing out that I haven't seen one player do neo strafing on a tournament. If they wanna show how legit they are, let them do it on a tournament, if they don't then that clearly tells everything on how legit they could be.
YukaF does a lot of movement, taxi does some, I've seen a couple others doing insane movement in high ranks.
simply because neostrafing against controller (which dominates the top level pro scene) is about the dumbest shit u can do. its incredibly useful against mnk players who need to actually track the strafe, but borderline throwing against controller players whose aimassist will track u throughout ur strafe. unless uve perfected the strafe where you lose NO momentum at all, it just isnt worth it. plus, playing cover beats neostrafing everyday of the week
https://youtu.be/JonGQ6F_p6E?si=o1hp3W7_VoDouC6E
Please… educate yourself before making hard claims. Look at the Sweloh, Magic, and Rimuru server if you want to see hundreds of active users spending time to learn advanced lurch tech.
I'm talking about pros, do you even know how to read?? Yikes. If these people you've listed do it legit, let me see them do it on tourneys. There's literally hundred of applicable ways they could use neo strafing to fight in tournaments.
No one uses octane in tourneys. Search “YukaF” in the comp apex subreddit. Treeree, lemonhead, and xylas all have countless videos with hand cams.
You are making accusations while clearly knowing nothing about the topic, and demanding that innocence is proven… If you can’t watch the neo strafe vid I linked and think “huh, well, this is very possible, and I clearly just don’t know much about this” than yeah… you are clearly taking an unfalsifiable stance in order to not have to admit you are wrong about this.
Imagine being so confidently wrong. Lmao you're a clown, man.
You more of a clown thinking they don't use macros to neo strafe. 🤡
So you really think people can’t neostrafe without configs? I guess I was using configs when I learned how to do them. That’s crazy.
As I said the reason nobody does it in pro lobbies is because it’s a really stupid idea. It puts you in a predictable pattern in the open making you very easy to hit and it makes it harder for you to hit them, so in all regards it puts you at a disadvantage. Why would pros intentionally put themselves at a disadvantage like that? You only see it done by pubstompers because that’s the only scenario it’s a viable strategy, and even then it’s not a good strategy they only do it because it makes for good clips.
You know absolutely nothing about lurch tech and are still making claims with absolute certainty. This game has been out for a long time, people have spent a lot of time learning its tech.
This can be exhibited by multiple discord channels that are extremely active like Sweloh’s, Magic’s and Rimuru which are all 100% dedicated to lurch tech.
Also, macros suck for the reasons I listed above. The tech requires extremely precise timing and variations to move in different directions of change the shape of lurch strafes. Even lurching on a slight slope requires micro timing differences to maintain momentum. Sounds hard right? It is, but a lot of players spend time learning it anyway.
Pros do use lurch tech. Watch some MnK players like YakaF. Pro’s don’t play octane though… so obviously you wont see this clip’s movement in algs.
https://youtu.be/JonGQ6F_p6E?si=elbTWoiTSjD6P2WE
Like holy fuck the level of ignorance is just astounding…
Bro you've made a whole paragraph and you still haven't shown me proof of pros using it. Saying YakaF can lurch tech isn't a proof when you didn't even give a video link of it of him using it in tournaments.
I mean it sounds like you are expecting to see a pro player using octane in a tournament… which I don’t think has ever happened. You can search “YukaF” in the competitiveapex sub reddit… I don’t think you’ll see a single clip where he isn’t lurching. You wont see him using octane though obviously.
Plus, what more do you want? I shared a video walking through step by step how to neostrafe… What this guy is doing in this clip is 100x easier than real neostrafing too. Treeree, xylas and lemonhead all have streamed with a cam on their keyboards.
Why wouldn’t you do the bare minimum amount of research before calling someone a cheater?
The problem here is that you can’t be convinced. You have zero evidence to believe this is macros, and I know for a fact you know nothing about lurching, otherwise you wouldn’t have made this comment. There a reason we don’t use a “guilty until proven innocent” model in courts… because people who have some narrative built on false pretenses can always contort arguments to be unfalsifiable.
Clearly you haven't watched apex comp when Octane was literally meta paired with Revenant at one point. Tap strafing or lurching is literally easier, I'm talking about Neo strafing, holy how hard is it to read. YukaF haven't even neo strafe once because it can't be done legit.
The rev octane comp was around from before neo strafing was discovered. When neo strafing was first being discovered movement players joking about how the tech was being discovered right after revtane went out of the meta.
it can’t be done legit
Yeah okay…. Neo strafing is standard lurching just now with the addition of a double tapped S press, and the newly associated scroll pattern. It’s extremely difficult, don’t get me wrong, but it’s very doable with practice.
You can literally watch the video I linked. It’s 8 inputs per second. If you think that is actually “impossible” idk what to tell you. Can you also look at the config files too if you don’t trust the video I linked. I mean, if it “can’t be done legit” then you are also implicitly claiming the Xylas video I linked is a lie, right?
There are many videos of treeree doing adavanced lurches and neo strafes. He posts on twitter and tiktok.
You are choosing to die on a hill with the most unreasonable, reality defying take…
On top of all of this, the video above doesn’t even show a neo strafe, it shows standard forward lurches (pito strafe)… so your argument about “neo strafing” doesn’t even apply…
simply because neostrafing or any form of lurch movement wasnt as popular during the revtane meta. at that time (which i believe was around 2021-2022), movement hadnt gone past simple supergliding/tapstrafing. lurches only became popular around 2023. with the birth of lurches came neostrafing and all the crazy shit that u can pull off when u have a speedboost. yukaf doesnt do it because he understands that running in the open and then neostrafing is a throw. the coordination and skill that most pro teams will punish something as stupid as strafing out in the open. what is hard to punish is a player playing cover and timing his peeks to avoid getting shot at. understand?
because it’s absolutely useless to practice. it’s a tech that only works on bad players and can only reliably work for more than a couple seconds on a few legends who have speed boosts. not to mention pros (especially mnk ones) have much more important things to be practicing, like aim training to keep up with controller, scrimming, working on rotates, loot paths, etc etc.
Realest comment I’ve read on this sub
I quit Apex because the game has 43 different names for 43 different "strafing" techniques.
It may be for you but I am against such stuff in a competitive online FPS game. Was fun back in Quake days but 43 different strafes? Hell no
This crap right here exactly why you can't have a casual fun game anymore. And Apex/Respawn wonder why their numbers are dropping like flies.
What the actual fuck
Some of the comments in this thread make my head hurt. So many uninformed bronze players spreading misinformation and refusing to accept that they're incorrect, even when provided with evidence. How someone can be so confident while being so fucking wrong is a mystery, but it's way too prevalent in this subreddit.
This video right here, is the reason the game is become less and less enjoyable
Yeah, not because of the ridiculously overtuned aim assist, the rampant cheating in Ranked, the exploitation of bots in Hong Kong servers devaluing certain badges, the shit tier audio that's never been addressed once, not the power creeping legends like Horizon, Revenant, and Conduit, not the lack of communication from Respawn, the lack of quality updates which cause stagnation after just a week of playing, and not all the other problems.
The movement that very few players can actually reliably do is what's making the game less enjoyable. Yeah, you're so right. 😂
Turn aim assist off then. I did.
Bro's fucking levitating!
This kind of clip reminds me of how shit movements "tech" (engine exploits) are in this game.
And then they say spamming macros and movements and making animations glitch is just a mechanic and you are bad because you havent learned it 😂.
What macros are being spammed? 🤡
Every time I read a resposne from someone on this subreddit with a Caustic flair, it's always either the opposite of intelligent or just screams skill issue. This is one of those comments, lol.
I mean, it is. A lot of famously high-skill-ceiling, competitive games have unintended animation glitches that raise the skill ceiling. Halo 2, Super Smash Bros Melee, &c.
I swear sweaty people just make this game less fun to play. No wonder the numbers are going down
Fr who tf wants to play against these guys
Animation glitch that happens during bhopping. Not sure exactly how it occurs but it looks extremely silly.
apparently it’s from meleeing right at the start of the bhop chain but i’m not sure
If you superglide and then immediately melee, this animation will persist until you stop bunny hopping.
Macros.exe
What am I looking at here? Looks like the average octane in all my pubs games.
Tap strafe with bunny hop
This is my thought as well.
Just had a match with two (2) Octanes doing this to me in Control. Both had triple the damage of the 3rd highest on their team, but only like 4-5 kills by the end of the match. So, while it doesnt seem to help them or their team in the long run, its annoying AF.
I love the emergency knuckle cluster. 😂 Never seen that kinda movement before.
That's just Captain Po.
yo, thats me
Bro started krumping on you 😂😂
Oh yeah, I remember this in a Captain Po video.
Average pc lobby
Where did you come from Where did you go Where did you come from cotton eyed Joe 😂😂
This game is compromised. I am done.
ez to shoot
Lol you should that on gibby its funny to watch even when your gettin shitted on
Bro started do do a pump fake
And people are defending movement tech like it’s a skill thing this is just exploiting and cheating no skill at all
You’re a victim
Getting hits kills your momentum, then how the fck that octane still zooming around like that,
I wonder...if you were playing as Pathy, if you could grapple him mid air, and knock his ass out flat...
Is that only possible on keyboard?
Seems more like a controller macro config to me. Just had a match with two (2) Octanes doing this to me in Control. Both had triple the damage of the 3rd highest on their team, but only like 4-5 kills by the end of the match. So, while it doesnt seem to help them or their team in the long run, its annoying AF.
you cant do this on controller without entirely emulating kbm, which completely removes aim assist while doing any form of lurch tech
Legit cringiest stuff in the game. Has ruined Octane for me (my first true main)
How does this ruin Octane for you if you can't even do this movement yourself? Lol, you probably don't even know what he's actually doing in the first place.
you probably don't even know what he's actually doing in the first place.
annoy legit players with engine abuse, any other questions?
He's a legit player as well, he's just on a completely different level than you will ever be, especially with that dumb attitude of yours lol.
"he is just on completely different level you will ever be" ; I like tap-strafe ; but spamming bhop and abusing animation technics is not a skill that people look into in apex. BHOP had been nerfed like at s2 to breath out the healing runners.
There are things that are tolerated and looked into such as the mantle, strafing, wall-jumping, and being able to pull all of these AND still be able to aim.
Such player example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJyXwSG0oc
It's only b-hop but with insane precision.
Triggering an animation bug does NOT require skill (as we can see the only input required to do that is to actually fist hit on first jump).
Also, animation exploit have been existing since the launch of the animation menu ; and there was a precedent exploit that allowed you to play those while b-hop & running (it seems it is very similar here but instead we just play the fist animation) ; this exploit has been fixed.
In the same video you sent me, Hugowolf uses the animation bug: https://youtu.be/8dJyXwSG0oc?si=e6_h7sU4ICJ7yPE1&t=23
Bhop healing was nerfed, not bhopping itself. It is also, indeed, a skill to superglide, then melee as you're bhopping consistently. You'll rarely come across anyone that can bhop-stim consistently with Octane in general, let alone melee b-hop as precisely and consistently as players like Xylaz, Treeree, Movementless, and Hugo.
I don't understand why you folks in this sub are so uninspired to improve or replicate movement techniques in general. Or just be honest and improve their own gameplay. Like, look at OP's clip for example.
Running with his gun out.
Exposes himself out of cover after doing only 41 damage, leaving himself vulnerable to potentially being killed by anyone on the opposing team, not just the Octane.
Attempts to directly knuckle cluster a stimmed Octane that is aggressively approaching him.
Almost manages to kill the Octane player despite the crazy animation jank.
Honestly, the animation doesn't make a player any more difficult to kill or track, people just need to actually play smarter and better.
That's because nobody complain about bhop but about the animation. This shit looks stupid and it makes it difficult to be able to read the actual gameplay. Yes some movement techs are cool. Abusing them all and looking goofy until the new players cannot even understand the game is not fun.
You are not taking the precedent fixes into account as well. Just as I said bhop has had it's nerf but it's still in the game. While the animation bug was completely removed. We can safely assume that these animation bugs were not intended.
All that practice just to flex on some dumb random xdd Totally not the exact same mindset people who smurf have.
"Completely different level" - coping mechanism for those who can't perform well without utilising some weird glitch the existence of which has been criticised for as long as I remember. You remove the crutch and all of a sudden their shortcomings in other aspects of the game are exposed.
People don't practice and use movement just to 'flex on some dumb random', you muppet, they use movement because it's fun. Getting a flashy kill/squad wipe with movement is very serotonin-inducing. How you somehow attempt to equate movement to someone smurfing is laughable, but it's to be expected from someone like you.
The coping mechanism here is a crybaby, like yourself, bitching about players who are able to utilize movement mechanics, that take hours and hours of practice, in a SOURCE ENGINE game. Talking about a crutch and shortcomings 😂 You can't even superglide, chowder. You probably can't even tap strafe either. I'll tell you what no other player will tell you, because I'm honest:
You're probably just really fucking bad at the game, and that's okay. Tearing down better players because you're incapable of performing any of the movement they use is silly. Just give them their well deserved props and move on with your life.
looks like I hit sore spot given the amount of vitriol and insults your post contains. EOT.
???
I haven’t played Octane since S3 and this stuff wasn’t out there en masse.
So sure, yeah, I can’t do the movement. I’m aware of all of it though. It’s cringy shit. People exploiting to win 1’s is a sad thing.
Exploiting to win 1's
There is no exploit in the clip. I really don't understand why you and so many other people in this subreddit are content with being mediocre and ignorant when it comes to actual movement mechanics and skill. He's just a much, much, much better Octane player than you, that's all. 🤷♀
Watch the video and with a straight face tell me what is shown is at all intended by devs and what this game is supposed to be.
It’s an exploit. It’s like super bouncing in Halo 2. Completely unintended and provides an advantage and used by many to win bc they actually suck at the game and can’t win within the set boundaries that are supposed to exist.
It is peak cringe.
Skill issue comment.
That octane looks like he escaped from MultiVersus XD
just a basic forwards ras lurch with the melee glitch. if you melee in the air while bhopping the animations will play repeatedly with no input
Its sad how people talk about this shit like its normal tactics and not the engine abusing cheating that it is.
you people had no problem abusing it on a controller with configs but once you don't have it anymore its a problem again? seems like a input issue
*plays movement shooter*
*complains about movement*
Mmm, not sure my statement was understood entirely correctly. I'm an M&K player at Masters level and do not do any of these movements... I dont even do the crouch spamming zig zagging crap.
This isn't really a movement shooter. Movement in this game is more for positioning/map traversal and not combat. If it were a movement shooter, you wouldn't be getting heavily reduced movement speed when firing, reduced accuracy when moving, etc. Bunny hopping, wall jumping, tap strafing, all this shit.. none of it is built into the game. None of it is intentional. These are essentially exploits, and Respawn does nothing about it because it makes the game seem more interesting to simple minds and draws people in. $$$
THIS KID IS BUNNYHOPPING FROM IVY, OUT MIDDLE AND THROUGH OUR CONNECTOR LIKE A SPEED DEMON!!
It a glitch with the melee animation bat if you are saying that he was neo strafing it means he he’s using cfgs or macros because if you want to neo straf you need to import w-w-wa-a-as-s-sd-d-dw And repeat and it’s impossible
Report them see if they get banned for it
First time?
Yeah but me playing on my controller is what's making the game ass O K A Y B U D
Guys he did a little bit of movement, he is cheating!!!
you'll cowards don't even practice movement
Cfg + controller
Cfgs work on MNK.
Sleep paralysis demon. Resistance is futile
That was hilarious My only assumption is he was jumping and putting his weapon away/pulling it but I’m probably wrong 🤣
Scripts + macros + controller = "It's movement noob". A lot of Octanes and Horizons have that hack in the game.
most movement players dont use scripts or macros, and controller no longer can do this without emulating kbm which entirely removes aim assist while doing it sooo :shrug:
neo strafing is basicly impossible without configs
Ive seen it done on some yt video once i think, but that mf haf binds for movement like they were playing a dance of fire and ice so not a common feat
Its just a good player, not macros, others have given an explanation and i cba
Doesn't mean they weren't cheating on don't other way, but based on the fact they also weren't the one who got the kill, they likely weren't doing anything else either.
People can still macro easily through use of external input devices like having it bound to separate buttons on their mice/keyboard instead of needing the config files. IE look at players like lemonhead that use wooting keyboards to use macros even though steam input ones have been banned
As other ppl explained, if macros were used, octane would be going straight forward, not sightly to the left
Leamon doesn't use macros at all, where the hell did you ever get that information from? The only reason so many movement players use the Wooting 60HE is because of the function to manipulate the sensitivity of the keys, which helps make supergliding more consistent and easier. How can you confidently post such ignorant bullshit with no evidence at all 😂 This fucking subreddit houses some of the most confident idiots.
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What in the fuck did I just watch