ie. Udio, Suno, Elevenlabs...
How do you feel about the rise of AI generated music and vocals?
[Question]This made me laugh. I like this attitude. Functionally no difference.
In fact, it might make less humans making music, so maybe you stand a better chance of standing out in the "human generated music" subgenre that I suspect will emerge in a few years.
Generative AI kinda sucks. It’s like paying a robot to do all that messy sex stuff for you. Why bother, why remove the human from the most-human things we can do?
I use AI tools; stem separation is amazing. Generating synth patches from audio? Cool as hell. But outright just cooking up the whole meal for me? Why bother.
I kinda thought the same way about AI making music. Why would anyone get joy in that?
I can’t draw at all. Not one artistic bone in my body for that type of art. I LOVE using AI image generators. I think it’s fun as hell to come up with some idea and have the AI make me cool pictures.
I feel it’s the same for folks that have no music ability and more importantly, don’t want to learn. They just like to listen.
I have no interest in learning how to draw or make that type of art. But I love being able to create AI art to look at.
I mean, that’s kinda the lane I see this stuff landing in—fun, throwaway art, or art nobody actually cares about but due to The Needs of Capitalism must still be made; I refer to videos on gas station pumps or your VP of Marketing deciding he needs a little personal musical stinger to put at the end of his PowerPoints.
Where you’re going to see the split is when Artists who make art see this shit show up in places that were previously just stuff humans made, and that’s where you’ll see the pushback. The level of humiliation and disdain experienced by a noob producer who shows up to a meetup with a backpack full of generative beats will be profound. Because artists will say “that’s cool, but what if you flipped the hats differently?” and the noob will immediately feel lost; unable to modify the work at the granular level that artists take for granted. It’s just not tenable for anyone who wants to actually learn and get better. It’s showing up to a local bike event with training wheels on, that cannot be removed because you’d immediately injure yourself. Just not the road to go down if you want to be a producer.
A guy typing a prompt into these apps isn’t a producer; they’re a consumer filling in blanks on a Madlibs pad. They’re a consumer of a product, not a maker of anything.
AI does not generate art. It just generates regurgitated slop.
User deleted comment
19d
The only really terrible thing about AI is all the snooty, self-proclaimed "artists" that think they're actually doing something by making music with these programs. They're 100% the worst side-effect to come out of all this, from my perspective.
tbh i've seen this like once. the most annoying thing, for me, is comments like yours (no offense)
like, just ignore it? idk
i've seen way more rants abt these impostors (and ppl falsely accusing artists of using AI bc they dont draw anatomically perfect hands) than i have ai art itself
Yeah of course I ignore it. We're having a discussion about it here though.
That's nice for you that you're experience has been that way, but it hasn't been what I have seen. I don't really understand the point in commenting on a thread where a particular topic is being discussed from both sides and telling one side to "just ignore it."
I can tell you what i think. Right now the biggest data scraping and theft of music is happening. Same like the theft of billions of images orchestrated by openAI and StableAI and now AI companies do the same shit with music and you support it when you use those tools. Despite the fact that already lawsuits taking place against this AI industry.
The moment AI wants royalties we will see the whole thing brushed under the rug.
Isn't AI stuff a bubble or something nowadays?
Like, Dudebros doing an "AI" to to sell it before it smells to some entity that will then let it die and fade into obscurity?
I might be wrong.
I don’t see why the trend of making computers more useful for automating tasks would stop now.
Definitely shouldn't. As long as there's healthy competition to drive innovation.
The AI hype is definetly a bubble, many companies will fade. But that doesn't mean that it's all just hot air.
I agree.
Yes, you are wrong
:D
I think artists will eventually learn how to incorporate AI in a creative manner. This has been happening forever when a new piece of technology enters the market. Look at a painter like Picasso who did all his weird abstract stuff when photography came along and reduced the need for traditional portrait painting.
In music, the invention of the record player allowed people to hear music without it being performed live, but that didn’t stop anyone from performing and eventually the record player itself became an instrument, first in rap music but we all saw it used a ton in the early 2000’s in nu metal and rap-rock. The modern DJ performer is effectively an evolution of an 80’s DJ scratching records and mixing beats to make people dance. Sampling, synthesizers, electric guitars and even the drum kit as we know it were met with resistance by the old-timers at the time who thought that stuff could ruin music.
So yes AI will likely be abused by a bunch of wannabes, but it won’t be long before a real visionary figures out how to utilize it for something original and sets a new path forward with this tool.
This is your friendly reminder to read the submission rules, they're found in the sidebar. If you find your post breaking any of the rules, you should delete your post before the mods get to it. If you're asking a question, make sure you've checked the Live manual, Ableton's help and support knowledge base, and have searched the subreddit for a solution. If you don't know where to start, the subreddit has a resource thread . Ask smart questions.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Techno/EBM/EDM/Futurepop acts have all been getting away with making sub-AI music for decades.
However, AI is just a way for lazy, untalented, uninspired frauds to pretend to be artists.
It's another tool and probably can archieve unique results if you know how to use it.
User deleted comment
19d
What about placing midi notes or pressing a note on the piano? How are these not effectively just prompts too? The vast majority of current electronic/pop is made by programing it on the computer. What about people without the use of their hands that want to make music? You're just saying the same things people said about computer music, synth music, or electric guitar music and on and on and on.
What about placing midi notes or pressing a note on the piano? How are these not effectively just prompts too?
Please tell me you are joking....
What about placing midi notes or pressing a note on the piano? How are these not effectively just prompts too?
Asking in good faith, I don't understand this point.
Playing a note on the piano isn't a "prompt" -- if I press down on the middle C key, I'm getting a middle C.
Same thing with placing MIDI notes -- a person is placing.
I am sympathetic to the idea that music has survived many different technological advances historically, and I understand that many of the same arguments currently being used against AI were previously used against synthesizers, or sampling, etc. I try hard not to be a reactionary.
But it does seem to me that there is a fundamental difference between having to make a choice -- no matter how easy the tech may make that choice -- between telling a computer to make choices for you.
Yeah I don’t see this wave going away. It’ll get better and the clever ones will make good use of it and the lazy ones will continue to use it in predictable and boring ways.
Just another way to do things.
Literally could not care less. The rise of AI in music might stop me ever making money from it, however the music industry already makes sure I can't make any money from music by being a blighted hellscape of social media grifting and ultra-capitalist parasites, so the impact of AI on top of that is functionally zero.