Asus is preparing to launch a new G16 refresh with AMD chips at Computex, on June 3. For people who prefer AMD over Intel, it might be interesting to wait a bit. Probably won’t be available right away in all markets tho.
I am thinking waiting for computex then
where did you get it for that price in Europe?? I have to wait for 3 months until I move to Canada to be able to order it there...
I live in the Netherlands, I could find it for that price at a local webshop here.
Would you post a link?
Sure https://www.uwgamespecialist.nl/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-2024-ga403ui-qs024w-gaming-n.html but they changed the price back to the old price, just keep an eye out because they change the prices for some models every night. On Tweakers you can see they always try to be the lowest in price, see: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/2030578/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-2024-ga403ui-qs024w.html
Dont buy from that webshop! Bought one there but they dont actually have stock and seems like a scam
It looks legit, enough positive reviews to find, and I also talked to them trough mail and telephone. I used Klarna as payment method so if they are trying to scam me, I will contact Klarna to just stop the payment.
Read the 1 star reviews, I had the same experience as them
I think because it is new webshop with two younger guys that is setting up a new business, and that can sometimes come with failures. I did read the 1 star reviews, also on Tweakers, and they fix it when there is a problem or they can’t deliver. I think they don’t have enough money to have there own stock in a warehouse, and they depend on other vendors when they will sent out the item to the customer. But I will keep you up to date if they will deliver or not.
Yes most likely some kind of dropshipping. But they make many promises they dont keep and thats not acceptable in my book. Im interested to hear your experience though.
Thank you
I call bullshit on that no way he got a g14 2024 4070 in Europe for less than 2k unless its an open box, even then
What's the link ? Geat deal
I'm from France, we also got sub 2000 euros prices with discounts at many retailers. And we have one of the highest VAT in Europe.
I just checked and I noticed something important... the keyboard is completely different depending on the country in Europe... I guess I'll have to wait until I move to Canada and get a local one... otherwise I will never get used to any keyboard and be able to type blindly.
Ik heb dezelfde deal gepakt, mooi tweakers bijgehouden :D
Mooi, wanneer had je besteld, en al binnen?
1 mei, kwam die vrijdag nog aan. Geweldig ding :)
Top om te horen dat ze gewoon netjes hebben geleverd. Ik heb zaterdag 4 mei besteld, maar tot nu toe nog niet verzonden. Ik hoop morgen.
Link? Or is this a magic shop?
Besides fan loyalty, any real reason though? From what I gather, the performance and battery life seem comparable. The Intel will have a much better wifi card by default though, and thunderbolt. Even though AMD is cheaper, I doubt Asus will drop prices for it. I'm more interested in any internal refinements to cooling, fan noise especially, and whether it carries over to the Intel model.
Yeah, I actually think the new intel chips have better battery life than the AMD ones too. So the only thing I can think is that the new one will be pushing for better performance.
They do not, unfortunately. The g16 has shorter battery life with a larger battery and significantly more run to run variance due to power struggles with the gpu. The Intel architecture is less efficient at load and tends to fall flat when limited.
I do hope they catch up, though. Competition is good for all of us.
Not sure where you are getting this but the G16 does not have shorter battery life, I own the 2024 G16 and G14, its actually pretty even with the G16 usually winning. Also the Hardware Canucks video has already been debunked for the most part. Look at Josh's post. They lied about reaching out to the G-Helper dev and none of us that own one of these can recreate their issues. Where AMD is definitely better than the Intel was in efficiency under load and the iGPU is superior, at least in terms of the G14 vs G16. The Intel Ultra was also better in some ways such as multi-core performance. The Intel also gets the better wifi chip and Thunderbolt. Let folks decide what is best for them without the bias.
I've had both and tested both. G16 has shorter battery life for our test load (UL Battery Rundown test). It wasn't by a gigantic margin, and I'm sure idling is more comparable, but most people don't idle their computers. There may be other use cases that Intel may be more competitive, but in our observations it didn't last as long.
We've also tested a ton of other Intel laptops, but the g16 to g14 is more comparable due to the same manufacturer and theoretically similar power management strategy.
And hardware Canucks just posted a video illustrating some of the issues with the Intel chip fighting for power with the gpu under combined loads, showing a degradation in performance.
The Hardware Canucks issue is BS btw. I’ve debunked it with data of my own and data from other users with the same configurations. They must’ve had some sort of early review units with a different bios or something. They also weirdly lied about reaching out to the dev of G-Helper when they didn’t, I’ve been chatting with him about it.
Also the G16 and G14 both get 9.5 hours in my YouTube playback tests. Yes the G16 has a slightly larger battery so this would mean the G14 is slightly more efficient, but both can achieve similar discharge rates in basic tasks so this is a huge improvement for Intel. Both of these 2024 laptops are now the best in battery life that I’ve ever tested.
Its 23%. That's not really what I call "slightly". It's possible your interpretation is a bit broader.
I've tested them both, too, so I guess we can agree to disagree. Your results don't negate mine, and vice versa. Matt moniz tested both head to head and found the g16 to last just under the g14, again with 23% more capacity.
I found both to get roughly the same wattage when basic browsing though. I could get about -8W on both while browsing, so technically the G16 would come out ahead there, just depends on the task you’re doing. I’m just saying it’s very impressive for Intel, I’m usually one to tell people to turn away from Intel for battery life so it was a pleasant surprise
Yea they've been getting better, which I think we all need. I talk to ODMs and AMD is starting to leverage its technology leadership to the detriment of consumers (read pricing). They need competition. I used UL benchmark suite for my battery testing. I do find the performance drop off on the Intels is more drastic as the wattage goes down.
Yeah, here’s a comparison chart I have for multicore performance at different wattage levels. Ultra 9 is orange and 8845HS is purple. You’ll notice how the 8845HS does stay slightly above the Ultra 9 at lower wattages, where the Ultra 9 eventually surpasses it around 40W. But compared to the 13900H in white, the efficiency is miles better on both.
Performance of the AMD chips are just a lot more snappy, especially on battery. If you try them side by side, it's really surprising how laggy Intel G16 feels next to the AMD G14.
AMD's latency and power efficiency is a lot better as well. I couldn't get my Intel G16 to idle below basically 9-10W with almost nothing running, and most tasks cause it to ramp up to 13-15W discharge. On my G14, 6-8W is very common.
Odd, I didn’t have this experience at all. G14 definitely has a little more single core performance going for it so that might help, but I was able to achieve -8W on the G16 even with my browser and some tabs open. 9.5 hours of YouTube playback on both. Both felt almost just as snappy to me. If I had to pick one for “snappiness” I’d actually give it to the G16 🤣
I struggled with Windows 11 on my G16 for weeks, with the install getting corrupted and high power consumption. Eventually I just did a clean reinstall of Windows, but I didn't get a chance to check if it was fixed since my G16 is away for repair right now (dog kicked the screen :() and I have been using the G14 instead.
Question, is there a quick way to check power draw watts on the display units at best buy? I was going to check the yoga pro 9i vs g16 doing some basic stuff later today.
Yeah, from what I understand the Yoga Pro 9i has significantly less battery life despite having essentially the same specs as the G16. At least that's what I'm seeing from users and reviews. But yeah idk if you could install programs in-store but the fastest way would be to install something like HWinfo64 real quick, run sensors only, and check the battery discharge rate. You can right click the battery discharge rate and assign it to stay visible in the taskbar as well.
That’s kind of what I’m seeing. It’s like it shouldn’t have much worse battery but it’s a couple hours less. Notebook check had the same times on their test but idk.
I think I’m sold on the g16 and Oled but just need a push. I worry about throttling and if I need to spend $1k on 32 gb and 4080 over the base $1700 g16.
Yeah I get those concerns. However temps are just fine I will say. Even in my lap I was surprised by how cool it stayed. My review should hopefully be out in a few days and highlight all of that
That would be awesome. I was seeing you said your review would be out soon. I saw the mini led vs Oled video lol.
Is the vapor chamber worth the extra money? I don’t really need super high fidelity 4080 but ease of use and convenience, temps, power efficiency, battery, fan noise important but it seems you can kinda negate the 3rd fan with g helper. I think I’ll manage with 16 gb ram but could stretch for the $2700 model with 32 and the 4080
I wouldn’t say it’s worth the extra just for the vapor chamber and ram, you’d have to REALLY want the benefit from the extra fps in games and extra vram. Like if you don’t game often and don’t care about higher graphics/more fps then nah the 4080 is not worth that huge price jump. I really wish they would’ve made it a little closer in price to the 4070, but yeah. If budget isn’t a huge concern then sure it’s nice to have. Maybe on a good sale though then it could really be worth it. I know Best Buy does like $200-$300 off pretty often, just not on the 4080 model yet.
Yea for sure. The 4070 is 200 off but 4080 no sale. If I got that 2-300 off it would be easier upgrade.
But the thing is everyone is comparing the intel core ultra chips in this thread to amd 8000 series but the amd g16 is going to have the new amd AI 9 HX 370 series. has there been any comparisons or reviews yet with the new amd chips
Nope, we don't know much about the new AI chips yet!
i keep refreshing the page at best buy haha for the amd ai g16, the hardware canucks review scared me about the g16 2024 intel, but I have also seen your posts. But I am a little glad I waited because the amd g16 2024 ai is $100 less, but there is a open box excellent intel g16 2024 for $1500 which seems like such a steal. i have a lenovo 14.5" amd oled that i got down to $1000 shipping in a week that I can still cancel and $1299 sale at best buy for g14 2024 amd hahaha. So confused.
That Hardware Canucks video is BS and they know it too. By the way, the G16 AMD model is not $100 less, that's a new 4060 model that you're looking at for $1899, so it has a weaker GPU than the Intel 4070 model that runs at $1999. The 4070 AMD model is actually $300 more than the Intel 4070 model unfortunately at $2299, but you get 32GB of RAM so that's a plus. It would be really hard for me personally to pass up on an open box for $1500 compared to paying $800 more for the AMD model 💀
ya i meant that the cheapest amd model on best buy is $1899 compared to the intel 4070 model $1999. but ya the amd has 4060 which im ok with in that chassis and wattage. but ya the excellent open box is $1500, seems like a no brainer until i saw some bad reviews
makes me just want to stick with the lenovo since with discounts I got it down to $1000 after tax and shipping. I feel like since my budget only really allows for 16gb for the models I want, than cheapest makes sense since I dont really care if it lasts a long time. But I really dont like no gsync or vrr on the lenovo. laptop shopping really is stressful haha. oled is just really important to me. my lg oled tv, alienware qd-oled monitor and oled phone just makes it really hard to go back to a cheap ips screen which most models in my budget range have
Lol, yeah $1000 is a good deal. But then why not just get the G14 for $1299 on sale right now or open box for $1100? That way you get AMD and gsync.
As for the G16, I hear you, but personally I'd hate to sacrifice GPU performance for what may or may not be a better CPU on the AMD G16. I wouldn't worry too much about bad reviews, it's an amazing laptop. At launch it had a couple of issues, but the bios updates have made it an amazing machine, and the Intel chip is probably my favorite Intel CPU of any laptop I've used. Never thought I could get battery life like that out of an Intel laptop while also having pretty great performance too!
ya as soon as I saw the g14 on sale for $1299 I was about to grab it this morning and I just was reading a lot of hate about the heat and low wattage 4060 and loud fans and small chassis, made me think twice, I dont really need it to be tiny.
So for me its coming down to $1299 becomes $1420 after tax for g14. Is the asus g14 amd 2024 $420 better than the lenovo 14.5" amd oled, or stretch my budget for the $1500 g16 intel core ultra but its open box.
This is what I have to decide, really the only oleds close to my budget
Some applications crash when they try to utilize the e and ultra e cores, so this could be for those people
I wonder what will the refresh be… or I might just order a 14-inch RTX 4070.
If you want a big screen, the G16 4060 32GB is a sweet sweet spot
Do we know what the CPU will be or if the 4060 will have 8GB VRAM? I might get it for sure if it’s nice. I have two options for now, G14 2024 or the new one coming.
any source?
Good find, I almost pulled the trigger on the G14 2024. I prefer a bigger screen and an AMD cpu. Hope they release a few variants with 32 gb of ram in the US.
Anyone wants a 2024 zephyrus product with AMD GPU for better Linux compatibility?
I definitely do. It's my biggest regret about springing for the 2023, even though I got a great deal on it.
I LOVE the 2024 version but I'd die before daily running windows if Microsoft doesn't change
Yeah, it's been kinda brutal dailying Windows on here after years of all-AMD (and one cheap all-Intel laptop) machines with Arch. It's honestly the Optimus stuff that's the biggest pain in the ass, even solely Nvidia graphics was easier to deal with in Linux than this.
It sucks because I love this machine otherwise, it's one of the nicest looking ones I've ever owned. I've gotten most of what I want sort of working under Linux, and one of these weekends I'm going to try switching it fully over again, but ugh I've been spoiled by largely install and play all-AMD setups.
I will order it as long there is 64GB possibility
Any info in the leak about regional releases?
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It will just be the same shell, do u know how much it cost to make a new shell?
I’m really torn on whether to return my current intel g16 and wait this one out just to have the option. I love everything about the device though so I don’t think I will. But maybe I can live without it for a few months just to evaluate the options down the road.
There is no need to switch between both. They are nearly the same.
How do you know? We are comparing the current Intel CPU with the future (still unreleased) AMD Zen 5
I wouldn’t if you’re already satisfied with it.
Could this be a result of 3rd fan whine noise people have been complaining about with the current Intel based G16’s? G14 users don’t seem to have this noise complaint with AMD.
This is not an Intel based G16 issue. All non 4080/4090 models in the 2024 G16 and all G14 models have the 3rd whiny fan. Not sure what you are imagining there.
Every review of the G16 complained about this fan issue. But no one reviewing the G14 even mentions it. Haven’t seen a review yet of a G14 complaining about a 3rd fan whine.
G16's with the 4070 or under had those noises which means the G14 will too since it only goes up to a 4070. They both have the whiny 3rd fan. And not every review has that fan complaint, thats your imagination. Many reviewers have complained about the 3rd whiny fan found in all G14's and some of the G16's.
Sincerely, someone who actually uses both daily. With and without vapor chamber :)
No. 3rd fan whine noise isn't a common problem, only a few units seem to be affected, and even on these ones it's possible to solve it thanks to custom fan curves.
But y
This is smart. Now you can get the efficiency of the AMD architecture with the larger battery and potentially higher GPU options.
the new Intel Core Ultra batteries are actually better or perform the same as AMD right now. You can search for reviews.
I have, and I've conducted my own testing across dozens of laptops including the g14 and g16. The short answer is - Intel is not "better or the same", at least not yet. Allow me to explain.
It's hard to compare results you see on one device to another. Manufacturers can tune chip power tables differently from one another so when you "look at reviews" for a Dell and compare them to a G14, you can't actually confirm dell applies the same power for the same load to the chip (spoiler: they don't). Likewise, an OEM like Dell can tune the power tables to guzzle high load to post numbers and sip at low load to market battery life. Intel did improve some efficiency, yes, but AMD is still ahead in a watt for watt scenario. It's just that manufacturers previously had to pump more juice at lower loads for the performance they were targeting with their tuning. The architecture still falls on its face when starved, it's just more gradual now.
So, you can't compare between devices from different manufacturers or between different product markets, making it difficult to say who makes the more efficient chip... But that's why the Asus g16 and g14 are interesting. They do use the same manufacturer and presumably the same power tuning strategy (my contact at Asus hasn't confirmed), and if you "watch the reviews" such as the one I copied below - you'll find the Intel may look "the same" - coming in at just under 10 hours while the 14 hit 10 hours with AMD, but again, it's not really that close. The Intel unit has roughly 23% more battery capacity and it still can't match the AMD model. If it were as efficient, then the g16 would have posted 12 hrs and 20 minutes about. It's certainly not "better".
https://youtu.be/kkquruGx2H0?si=6nyGzo4BxkZVmLiw
I don't have our g16 anymore, but I do have our Zenbook (ultra 7) - so I can try and get some time on the bench this week to run some loads and lots to show how they aren't really that close. It won't be battery life, but I can match the wattage on the AMD to provide a like for like performance and show you have both chips behave and perform at the different power levels. It's not a priority for me though as I have a lot going on. I hope this helps.
I am kinda surprised at the number of people who feel the need to defend Intel. I mean, why? It's pretty common knowledge they are behind both AMD and TSMC - they pretty much said as much in their last earnings report. I do hope they turn it around, not because I care about the company, but because competition only helps us. I can say - ODMs I talk to have noted that AMD knows they're the leader and have started to leverage that in negotiations for components, and Intel has been discounting, so many have opted for Intel chips in some devices due to cost, and not the capabilities of the chip.
Welp, I'm going to be taking advantage of my extended best buy return period for sure...
What the fuck, these devices have been readily accessible for like two months
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No reason honestly, I guess just more options for buyers. We don’t know exactly how AMD Strix Point will be yet so unless it’s a big jump in both efficiency and performance then you won’t be missing out on anything.
can’t wait for the Asus TUF A14, will be cheaper than the ROG lineup for sure. I might sell my 2023 and grab the A14 to save some money + updated cpu. can’t wait how the design turns out too, hope it’s a 16:10 display.
Thermal management will probably be a bit better
I will consider coming back from my MBP if they do anything to address how shitty the hinge is
what is the difference between Intel and AMD?
Id say Intel has the overall better chip, especially the new intel ULTRA chips that are so much better for power efficiency and allocation, however, the differences are very minimal. its a lil harder to find AMD chips on laptop, as they are more gearing to gaming and desktop related stuff
I wish they had a Thinkpad keyboard
Could be interesting. Probably better battery life.
There we go, meteor lake was a big dissapointment.
I think it's likely because Asus needs to tune Meteor Lake better. Based on this video by HardwareCanucks, with a properly tuned system from Lenovo the Intel is better in many metrics https://youtu.be/GnHUmaEjwXU
I dont think thats the reason at all.
I mean in the video Asus clearly tuned the Intel ZenBook 14 worse than the AMD one
Trying to spread the word but that video is kind of a fluke. I’ll be addressing it in my review, but I’ve been gathering tons of data to show that literally no one is experiencing what they were in that video. So it was definitely an issue with their review samples they were given. Maybe an early build or something.
Always remember to say NO to Intel and YES to AMD CPUs for laptops. AMD will always win over Intel CPUs when it comes to energy efficiency and battery life. Period.
Meteor Lake mobile CPUs are mediocre. Sure, they have much better efficiency compared to the last generation Intel CPUs but but it's not hard to improve on garbage, lol.
Was able to test dozens of laptops for my job with both Meteor and Hawk Point, and even if they are very different, both have their own strenghts. The new Meteor Lake chips are perfect for thin and light laptops, and with the design change of the 2024 Zephyrus, they blend really well with this new model strategy.
Just another cultist, dont waste your breathe. These guys convince themselves that AMD is some poor little guy and not a mega corp themselves and simp and defend them til death. This is no different than iphone vs android and nintendo vs sega, childish nonsense that just limits the tech in front of you. Enjoy them all for what they are worth.
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Just another cultist, dont waste your breathe. These guys convince themselves that AMD is some poor little guy and not a mega corp themselves and simp and defend them til death. This is no different than iphone vs android and nintendo vs sega, childish nonsense that just limits the tech in front of you. Enjoy them all for what they are worth.
Bold of you to assume I’m defending AMD. How foolish. I short AMD on a monthly basis and pray that AMD will lay off more of their employees so I can make money out of shorting the company. There’s no fanboy here or being part of a cult. Everything I do is for my own self interest and money. I had fun with Intel and Apple last month by shorting them as well. 🤑
Don’t be so simpleminded. AMD does a better job at making CPUs tailed for gaming compared to Intel. That’s not hard to see after all. But that doesn’t mean that I’ll give AMD mercy either. I need to make money out of shorting them and many other companies. That’s it really.
Odd, I own a 2024 G14 with AMD and a 2024 G16 with Intel and the Intel lasts slightly longer although its so close you could call it the same.
You sound like a cultist not speaking from experience nor do you currently own both of these 2 laptop variants so you can speak factually. Go hate Intel in your own corner or something, we are trying to have constructive conversation over here.
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I just did order the G14 2024 4070 32GB for €1899.. Maybe I need to wait a little longer.